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15 November 2013

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Russ Steele

I was thinking Yellen would be the Fed's Black Widow.

Jeff Pelline

The California Public Employees’ Retirement System, the largest U.S. pension, had a 12.5 percent gain on investments for the fiscal year ended June 30 as global stock indexes rose to records.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-15/calpers-earns-12-5-for-year-as-stocks-buoy-pension-s-returns.html

Walt

Off topic,, but good news should always have a little leeway.

One of Ca.s draconian new ammunition laws just bit the dust.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/14/appellate-court-affirms-unconstitutionality-of-california-ammunition-controls/

George Rebane

re JeffP's 246pm - and that's the point. Even with record earnings, the CalPERS portfolio now requires jurisdictions like Nevada County to start ponying up additional funds to meet the minimums of the benefit pool to which we are assigned. As I said, what will their demands be when Yellen starts to taper and the markets start tanking?

An astute promoter of CalPERS would not cite its 12.5% performance last year, given that during the same period the DJIA, SP500, Nasdaq were up 15.9%, 21.5%, and 20.5% respectively. CalPERS investment mavens could have increased their portfolio's gain by choosing any combination of the ETFs that track those broad indexes. In short, chimpanzees throwing darts would have reduced CalPERS' considerable management fees that all jurisdictions have to incur. And this has been typical of their performance over many years.

Russ Steele

Humm

As our investment advisor keeps saying, one data point is not a trend.

CalPERS earned 1.1% on investments in 2011.

CalPERS posted a mere 1% return on its investment for the fiscal year that ended June 30 2012.

That makes the 3 year average about 4.9%, well under the needed 7% annual growth rate.

Bill Tozer

Calpers has done well better since it increased its holdings of hedge funds and private equity. 12% ain't bad for a diversified portfolio, albeit my 401k is up more than that with much lower fees. Much lower. like almost nothing. No sophistication, just index funds with miniscule fees. A younger co-worker is approaching 30% YTD, but he is letting it all hang out, pedal to metal. Ah, to be young again.

Its just what a year brings. As Mr. Steel pointed out, whatz their 3, 5, 10 year returns AFTER expenses? Calpers is so mind blowing huge that if their expenses are more than 3 cents on the thousand, somebody is skimming too much off the top. Time will tell.

Disclaimer: Past performance does not guarantee future results.

Jeff Pelline

Here we go again: "Loosey goosey" comparisons (fiscal years, calendar years and "annual growth rates") and hyperbole ("chimps throwing darts") to make a point. ETFs offer variety but are risky.
BTW, Hank Weston isn't managing the county's unfunded liabilities: The County and the BOS are. That includes Richard Anderson, Terry Lamphier, Nate Beason and Ed Scofield, and the County staff.
Fran may give Hank a real run for his money. But I'm sure you endorsement will help him.

Bill Tozer

Calpers 10 year average is 7%. Most of all the different Calpers' plans are at least 57% funded. 0 are 100% funded. Health care costs for the plans are 19.3 million dollars a day, a big (3-5 fold) increase over the past 10 years, depending on the plan. Average age of all members @ retirement: 60, disability: 56, industrial disability average age: 50. All in all, they needed a 2013 year and a few more just like 2013.

http://www.calpers.ca.gov/eip-docs/about/facts/facts-at-a-glance.pdf

fish

The California Public Employees’ Retirement System, the largest U.S. pension, had a 12.5 percent gain on investments for the fiscal year ended June 30 as global stock indexes rose to records.

Yo "Bruiser" way to drop by and slum! And all it took to get those returns is the FED putting the spurs to the money supply to the tune of a little over a trillion dollars a year! No way that could ever end badly!

Jeff Pelline

"Fish"? "Bruiser"? "Slum"? Okey-dokey. Nighty night "Rebane Ruminations."

Dai Meagher, CPA

I was pleased to read that Supervisor Weston regards the County's growing unfunded pension liabilities as one of his foremost concerns. It's also a problem that is affecting our fire departments, as NCCFD recently revealed.

fish

"Fish"? "Bruiser"? "Slum"? Okey-dokey. Nighty night "Rebane Ruminations."

C'mon Jeff part of the fun is identifying who is who. Enjoy those liquidity injected returns. Nighty nite!

Todd Juvinall

fish, you drove off the bruiser. Too funny!

Dave Cranfield

Is there anything that prevents CALPERS or any other state, county or municipal defined benefit retirement program from backing up their assets through Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation? Just asking.

Gregory

Checking, I think Pelline is lonely... there seems to be a record low activity in FUE's own sandbox, prompting him to denigrate this one.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Fish, you should be nicer to our visitor. Of course he remains silent on the FIX and you know darn well Mr. Purple People Eater won't back Weston if his next Whooper with Cheese depended on it.

Good news is that the Zoombies are rather quiet since BarackObamacare's apology tour. Enjoy it while it lasts, as it won't last forever.

Silence is golden but duct tape is silver. Zoombie's are also known for no sense of humor:

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ernest-istook-knowing-inside/2013/nov/13/obamacare-zombies-are-being-exposed-and-chased/

fish

Sorry Bill...yet another of my many character flaws.....an inability to maintain proper blogging decorum.

Todd Juvinall

I like Hank Weston. We have had a modicum of peace under his tutelage. Unlike the land use wars fostered by the old libs like PaulE and others.

George Rebane

Dear Reader, I want to draw you attention to the recent article by Fouad Ajami that Mr Tozer would have us read. He correctly put the link to it under my last 'Liberal Mind ...' post. But it also deserves a read within the larger scope of Obama's misbehaviors as our president, a scope that encompasses his indomitable efforts to bring his brand of Obamunism (q.v.) to affect the fundamental transformation of our country into the United Socialist States of America. For those of you who didn't read Ajami's piece in the WSJ, I repeat the link here -
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/16/when_the_obama_magic_died_120680.html

fish

George,

That was good...I think that this is better!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/05/25/obama_is_not_that_bright_114271.html

I've often thought that Obama is little more than the "Johnny Bravo" of politics. A manufactured image designed to be sold to the mob (and the media....oh you better believe has was targeted at the "tingles", E.J.s and O'Donnells laboring in support of lefty punditry). Tall, trim, slick as a river otter with that deep sonorous voice that makes the gullible swoon....and above all more immune to criticism than any before him simply because he's of darker hue. No white guy equally stupid would have been able to withstand the cavalcade of political stupidity (and I say that as someone who watched Bush the Lesser inflict the stupidity in Iraq upon us) unleashed by the Hyde Park mafia and their teflon front man.

For those of us old enough to remember the "Brady Bunch" and formalized by the "Urban Dictionary".

2. Johnny Bravo

To shoe horn a solution into a problem for some convenient reason; to settle for less for convenience.

Derived from the stage name for Greg Brady in the Brady Bunch original episodes; Greg left the "Brady Six" and went solo. The Johnny Bravo stage presense was characterized by a matador suit. Greg Brady was chosen not for his voice or talent, but because he "fit the suit."

Barack Obama....he fits the suit!

Walt

Jeff P. May need a side kick to boost the hit count on his site.
I heard a rumor ( from a reputable source) that there may be another "FUE"
soon to be on the way out. Only time will tell.
Just name the new gig,, " LIB and LIBer". The audience may hit double digit
numbers.

Barry Pruett

With Jeff Pelline getting involved in this race early, I see this race getting ugly pretty quick. As a member of the Gateway Park board, I have first hand experience of a Hank Weston that cares deeply about the community, park, and fiscal health of the County. Watch the rhetoric from the left in this race. Pelline and followers see blood in the water and think that this is an opportunity to remake the make up of the board. Prediction: Heavy rhetoric from Pelline and followers will get worse, but in the end, the Board will have four Republicans in 2014.

TheMikeyMcD

I am confused, wasn't he one of the policitians that dismissed common sense pension warnings in 2006, 2007, 2008,...?

George, you forgot to mention that the BOS is powerless against the labor unions. Powerless.

http://www.theunion.com/news/2526434-113/opinion-none

http://www.theunion.com/news/2275864-113/opinion-editorials-opinionivg-editorialsivg

http://www.theunion.com/news/2277828-113/opinion-letters-opinionivg-lettersivg

George Rebane

TheMikeyMcD 448pm - I was waiting for you to chime in, what took you so damn long??

Jeff Pelline

Barry,
Thanks for the compliment, but I'm really not that influential. You need to find a new "enemy."
Let's face it: You still would have lost every precinct in the clerk-recorder's race whether I was wrote a word about it on my blog or not. Nate still would have beaten Sue if I hadn't written a word, and the same goes for Tom Anderson's win over George Smyrnos. Same goes for the tea party's inability to find a candidate to run against Richard Anderson.
Our citizens are smart folks. Only a tiny fraction of them read my blog. They can see who's "blowing smoke" and who's not. Most of them are "in the middle."
I happen to like Hank: He was a big supporter of keeping the Yuba River State Park open, for example, but I do find it risky to make unfunded pension liabilities a campaign issue when you're the incumbent, and so will others. To be sure, it's a double-edged sword.
I do not count how many R's or D's are on the board of supervisors. I judge them by the exact opposite: their nonpartisanship.
Both of the supervisor's races will be close this year.

Bill Tozer

Glad we are not in the same boat as Detroit is with their 6 billion in unfunded health liabilities. Holy Batshit, they are going to toss the hard working city retirees onto the BarackObamacare exchanges! That is more than throwing salt in the wound. That be like a crime against humanity. Thank heaven for delays.

http://news.yahoo.com/detroit-delay-plan-enroll-retirees-obamacare-exchanges-162322488--sector.html

Ben Emery

Personally I am backing Libertarian Jedediah Biagi and my wife is supporting Fran Cole.
http://www.theunion.com/news/6835297-113/biagi-district-currently-ordinance

The unfunded liabilities "crisis" is a Trojan Horse to loot public pensions.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-the-pension-funds-20130926

Bill Tozer

Gee Ben, its kinda hard to steal from a beggar. Hedge funds are not the way to go. If you are going to loot unfunded liabilities, put the money in Green initiatives. Or CDOs. Make sure you leave a handful of IOUs on the treasurer's desk.

Barry Pruett

Not a compliment. I understand that you pick which stories to write and on what areas to focus. I understand (and your list above is proof) that you write fluff pieces about Democrats and blast Republicans. I get that.

If you like Hank, you got a funny way of showing it. With friends like you...well you know the rest.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Pruett: The rest is "who needs enemas."

Jeff Pelline

Barry,
Nate is a Republican I didn't blast him. I voted for him. The rest of the list, ... well you know the rest.

Todd Juvinall

Glad to read Pelline admits blog is not popular. Thanks for your honesty. We all kinda knew that anyway. I would say the resident liberals trash the R's and coddle the D's while claiming to be libertarians and MOTR. You would have to be a brain dead zombie not to see that.

Now BenE is telling us pensions are no problem and the concern over the unfunded portions is a scam. Where do these people live? Mars?

Jeff Pelline

Well, Todd, Fran Cole did put my post about the risk of making pension liabilities a campaign issue on her Facebook page yesterday, where it got many "likes" and was shared. I like Hank, but he might be getting some bad political advice from folks who have their political ambitions more at heart than his. Many of us in the community see how the CABPRO crowd has been the "kiss of political death" to a candidate. In fact, I can't think of a single race County race where the CABPRO supported candidate has won in recent years, except for Sue Horne. Think about it: Lamphier over Spencer, Beason over McGuire, Diaz over Pruett, Vernon over Meagher, Anderson unopposed. That's 1 for 5. Appointments don't count. Hank and Dan Miller could be a risk from this "help" too. Good luck next year.

Todd Juvinall

Not involved with CABPRO JeffP, so I cannot discuss something I am not involved in. I do know though that there are a lage contingent of locals involved with CABPRO and that makes me feel quite at peace with things. Since I created it 20 years ago CABPRO has had many more winners than losers. That is just the flow of politics. Since you are a newcomer here, a "flatlander" as the old residents call your ilk, you would not be familiar with all the facts. So I'll give you a break for your your ignorance.

I attended the soldout Tea Party Fundraiser last night (I am na member however) and I saw the salt of the earth people of our community there. These are the true hardworking Americans of goodwill. They want the liberal ilk to simply leave them alone and follow the Constitution. I know that concept is alien to busybody do-gooders like you but we expect that from the left.

One thing about people like the Tea Party folks and the CABPRO folks that I admire. Their political desires spring from the truth and purity of the system. That is something you can never experience, the cynic that you are. I do feel sadness for you however.

Russ Steele

Todd,

Now you know who CABPRO should endorse, the candidates supported by Jeff P. A little reverse campaigning.

rlcrabb

Cities all across the state, including our own, are struggling with pension obligations. A million Californians are looking at increases in their healthcare coverage. Last night I talked to some folks who told me their properties on the outskirts of NC have been overrun with homeless camps. Another dollar store is opening in GV, which leads one to believe that their research told them that there is room in this market for people who don't have much money to spend.
But things are looking up, gas prices are falling. Oh yeah, that's because of fracking.
Darn those Republicans!

TheMikeyMcD

George, I would love to see you interview Jedediah Biagi. I am interested in his opinion and would welcome a disruption to business as usual.

Questions could include:
Federal Level: What do you think of the Federal Reserve? Would you allow Social Security and Mecdicare to be voluntary? Fair Income tax? No Income tax?

State: School choice? Food Choice? Limit the Power of the Public Employee Unions?

Local: Unfunded Liabilities- how would you solve the crisis? Would you allow Walmart or Trader Joes into Nev Co (if not, on what grounds)? How would you address the drug problem in Nev Co (meth , pot)?

John

Mikey, I agree with your concerns, and the importance of addressing our unfunded liabilities with a real plan of action. However, Nevada County has done a reasonably decent job of managing our finances the past several years, and Hank Weston has been an integral part of that. In an era of current and future challenges to local government, I am an advocate of keeping in office a proven good man who is doing a good job, is popular with all special interest groups in his district, and most importantly, is highly re-electable. We are potentially one seat away from returning to the turmoil and dysfunction of the 90's. Let's keep Hank Weston in office for another term while we identify and strengthen an electable successor who will represent all the voters of the district.

George Rebane

I received an email containing the Pelline comment stream from our 'designated reader'. To which I replied -
... The biggest BS on Pelline’s comment stream comes from Frisch. He seems dedicated to the ‘all is swell’ scenario. Nowhere do those (gentlemen) address the point as to why CalPERS now demands the county pay them an additional $6.5M. Does that not indicate that the county has NOT done the right thing in the interval since today they are presented with an invoice for an unbudgeted amount??

Jeff Pelline

"We are potentially one seat away from returning to the turmoil and dysfunction of the 90's." Please.

John = John Spencer?

What are the standards for identifying yourself on this blog?

One of the problems with our County is people who live in the past, grinding their political axes, rather than the present and, God forbid, the future. It's Sophomoric at best. We're changing. Terry Lamphier has done an admirable job and Fran Cole's resume hardly reads "turmoil and dysfunction." And neither does Richard Anderson's. The current BOS is working well together, "across the aisle."

Jeff Pelline

George,
You should link to Steve Frisch's commentary and let the reader's decide rather than put words in his mouth. How disingenuous.

Todd Juvinall

George, now go spank yourself for not listening to all that advice from the FUE. I think he is truly losing his grip. He needs to read and listen better. His ax to grind is turmoil and hate. That was done with when the left was booted from power here. My goodness, all one has to do is look at California and see what liberals do to a great state and now a country. They tried here in Nevada County but NH2020 was to drastic a takeover of private property and the people responsible got booted. Pelline is out of place here with his criticism and advice. I think he should stick with his two or three readers and maybe take Frisch to lunch for a good cry.

Jeff Pelline

Todd Juvinal is another one of these folks who grinds their political axes going back to the NH 2020 era. What he doesn't realize is that most of the community could care less about his political "battle scars." We're in 2013 now, and these folks are becoming more and more irrelevant (at least judging by the County election returns). Juvenile.

Todd Juvinall

The FUE is at it again. You are truly the one out of touch Pelline. I am not active in the political scene as a candidate, I am simply a observer and a commenter. What you liberals fail to understand could have been taught to you last night by the hundreds of Nevada County citizens at the Tea Party. You would realize to your own chagrin that you are the minority view and simply a bloviator. I am in the mainstream, connected to the people large and small, simple and complex. You are just not connected to anything. I feel sorry for you. You are just out of place.

Jeff Pelline

Todd,
I vote for Republicans, including Nate for Supervisor. Each local election in our County points to the same trend: We are "in the middle." That's the "mainstream." At night, somebody needs to hide your keyboard.

Todd Juvinall

Hide my keyboard? I think we all know you have no use for the First Amendment, what a hoot!

Nate is a Republican but the office eis non partisan. You seem to be hung up on Nate. You use him as some sort of excuse for casting a "republican" vote. Too funny. The county is Republican, you could have learned something about it if you had gone to the Tea Party last night. But, like all good liberals, you probably went to painting exhibit by a "wild and scenic" artist.

You are just not important to the community Jeff Pelline. Live with it. You are a sad sack.

I would suggest you give your fingers a rest and stop embarrassing yourself.

Jeff Pelline

Todd,
I have cast plenty of GOP votes over the years. How many Democratic votes have you cast? When you can't debate a topic on its merits you always resort to personal attacks. Y\

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt

Todd Juvinall

I thomk you must have missed your own personal attacks Jeff Pelline. You are just not important to me so I think I will go have a cookie and some milk. Nighty night. I am assuming you consider yourself the small mind in Mrs. R's comment.

Barry Pruett

Jeff Pelline lecturing Todd about attacking people. Priceless. Kettle meet pot.

Jeff Pelline

Barry,
Your mudslinging campaign against Gregory Diaz for clerk recorder and your acerbic comments in the Anderson-Smyrnos and Beason-McGuire campaign (all three of them unsuccessful) are all a matter of public record. In your case, kettle meet pot is a vast understatement. It's sad that you can't see that.

John

Pelline@5:55. Glad to see you agree with me. The current BOS IS working well together. Let's keep Hank Weston for another term. We need his experience and ability to work with others.

Jeff Pelline

Thanks John. Then are you supporting Terry Lamphier for another term too? As you point out the current BOS is working well together. Also, I wish this blog would require first and last names.

Barry Pruett

Your response is yet another example of personal attacks in lieu of intelligent and reflective discussion. I am sorry that you are so angry. You spent all evening personally attacking George's intellectual abilities on your blog which is funny coming from a Cal grad majoring in rhetoric who was let go from his job at a local community newspaper and now blogs. I do not mind discussing things with you rationally, but your vitriol directed at me, George, Todd, Russ, and all things conservative is however quite illustrative.

Back to my original point which has been abundantly proved hereinbefore, now that Jeff Pelline and his followers are getting involved in this race, watch as it gets very ugly. Nobody here has disparaged Hank's opponent and all commenters aside from Pelline have discussed that Hank has done a good job. Only Pelline has been vitriolic and nasty, but we expect nothing other from the former Union editor. It is his modis operandi.

Todd Juvinall

Well I had my sleep and I arise to find Jeff Pelline still at it. He chastises us for "livng in the past? regarding the county then he attacks Barry and the rest for past elections he cherry picks. Hypocrite anyone?

George allows most everyone to post here without threats. Pelline moderates those that disagree with his extremist leftwing views. He told me never to come to his blog again just lately. All I did was straighten out his "facts". So, as we see George is the tolerant conservative while Pelline is the intolerant liberal.

Jeff Pelline

Barry,
You need to find a new "enemy." I have directed no vitriol at you or anyone else here. I have merely pointed out your own anger and nastiness since you landed in our community. It is all a matter of public record. You have directed your vitriol at your opponent Greg Diaz in the clerk-recorder's race, as well as Tom Anderson in the judge's race, Nate Beason in the Supervisor's race and some County officials. You have insulted much of the community with your infamous "San Francisco values" quote in the clerk-recorder's race and lest we forget AtPac or the letter warning Doug Ose of "active opposition."
More examples of your own MO are here:
http://yubanet.com/regional/Nevada-County-BOS-Process-1-Politics-0.php#.Uoos6jnQnzI

You can't rewrite your history in our community.

As I said, I like Hank but do not find it very valuable for an incumbent to make pension liabilities a campaign issue because it happened on "your" watch. BTW, my job was eliminated for economic reasons, and I am now a successful business owner.

Todd,
I have voted for Republicans and Democrats over the years. I am not "still at it," but I usually arise at 4 a.m. to get my work done. I'm a very busy person. And you?

Bill Tozer

Liberals are some of the most intolerant people ever to slither out of the Primordial slime from which they were hatched after mating with bat guano.

Those that cry tolerance the loudest are the least likely to tolerate it. We all have our blind spots, but the above thread is a perfect example of the left spouting tolerance and claiming being unbiased in words and doing the exact opposite in practice.

Emerson wrote "What you do screams so loudly I can not hear what you say."

Dr. Rebane is indeed a very tolerant person, despite what our Brother Ben says. But, the good doctor might be wise to every once in awhile crack open a can of bathroom deodorizer and dilute the stink left after our favorite Little Big Man toots his horn.

rlcrabb

It's like watching Laurel and Hardy.

TheMikeyMcD

John, I don't know Hank from a hole in the wall. I am sure he is a nice fellow. I was just pointing out the fact that he dismissed pension crisis approx 8 years ago and now claims to be focused on it (actions speak louder than words).

$1,500,000 'penalty' each year ($6,000,000 total) is not chump change. If the average home/property in Nev Co is assessed at $250k (random #) it would take 100% of the property taxes of over 5,200 residents to pay just the fine!


BTW, Any politician that can be described as "is popular with all special interest groups in his district," scares the hell out of me.

John

Pelline@ 4:01. No intention of supporting Lamphier for re-election. His appointment to the Planning Commission is the definition and embodiment of the turmoil and dysfunction of the past. Check out any one of numerous YouTube links, most notably Rincon del Rio hearings.

Mikey@ 8:06. Not claiming that Hank Weston is perfect, just much better than any electable alternative at this time. You were ahead of most everyone with your predictions of a coming unfunded liability crisis. Don't disregard everyone that had to play catch up.
Listening to, and representing, all voters and special interest groups is an elected official's job. If Hank Weston does it well why is that scary?

TheMikeyMcD

John, we disagree on the job description of elected officials. I guess I would hope that someone could 'catch up' after 8 years of on the job training. Perhaps I should have been more vocal at the time (2006/2007/2008). Being able to say "I told you so" was not the goal. I guess it takes a $6,000,000 fine/penalty/adjustment to get some people's attention. "Rural Myths" are expensive when mis-categorized.

I acknowledge and will reiterate that any control/power the BOS has is dwarfed by the power/control of the employee unions.

My comments were not bashing Mr. Weston, they were expressing surprise that George let him off the hook so easily :).

Joe Koyote

Laurel and Hardy were at least funny. This is more like a Jr. high school playground where Crips and Bloods wannabes are jostling for territory.

George Rebane

TheMikeyMcD 1015am - As you know, my own unfunded liability admonitions to the BoS over the years have also been many. To these I add the record of constant reminders which reside on RR. I believe I was the first recipient of the BoS 'Rural Myths' Award some years back, confirming our mutual knowledge and experience that the Supes do not take kindly to substantive criticism from those considered underlings. With the help of supportive readers, I'll try to do a better job of managing 'the hook' in the future ;-)

And while you and I agree on the job descriptions of elected officials, I must also support John's comment on HankW being the best that district 4 will have to offer in the coming election.

(BTW, John and most politicians are in error when they claim that an elected official can beneficially represent all constituent voters and special interest groups - they cannot. Kenneth Arrow won the Nobel prize with his 'Impossibility Theorem' or 'Arrow's Paradox' for proving this arguably obvious result. So when a politician claims to serve the interests of all the voters, he is bullshitting them. However, since these are made up mostly of light thinkers, the ruse continues to yield a profit.)

Todd Juvinall

I see the comedy team of JoeK and RL have arrived. Too funny. They really add to the discussion.

I think that when someone is elected he is expected to represent all the folks. At least that is what the left usually says when a R wins. But the reality is half the people never agree with anything you say or do and do their best to boot your ass out. My view was when we passed a law or regulation, the hearing was always a respectful place to air their views and when the law or regulation was passed then all in the community were expected to live under them. That is the true equalizer of political office.

One only has to look at ObamaCare where it was only democrats who passed it yet all the country is bound by the monstrosity.

TheMikeyMcD

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 November 2013 at 11:55 AM
Your ongoing attention to the pension crisis is a service to us tax payers. Thank you.

I understand and accept that you both (John too) believe Mr. Weston to be the best candidate. I don't accept that his record, as it pertains to Nev Co pensions, could possibly be used/viewed/analyzed as a strength of his. I would welcome you to educate me otherwise.

George Rebane

TheMikeyMcD 108pm - I have made no claims that Mr Weston possesses such strength, though I am guilty of having repeated the Union's report on the supervisor's statement of his intentions.

TheMikeyMcD

Sorry, I guess being ignored for 8 years has gotten me testy :). What of Biagi? Is he a Libertarian or a Collectivist in libertarian clothing?

Gregory

"I acknowledge and will reiterate that any control/power the BOS has is dwarfed by the power/control of the employee unions."

Follow the money. It could be argued the entire county is a leisure time activity of the Transportation Department.

Regarding the FUE's bipartisanship, he never has shared *which* Republicans running for major offices, say President, Senate or House, he has supported.

Jeff Peline

Gregory,
In fact, I have. You just weren't paying attention: Doug LaMalfa was one, when he ran for state office.
But you people aren't interested in the facts: only "winning." I don't see much winning going on locally recently, however.
You're out of step. Duh.

Gregory

Here's a good one, apropos this thread: "Cheating students more likely to want government jobs, study finds."

A devilishly simple experiment by Harvard and UPenn scientists:
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-cheating-students-government-jobs-corruption-20131118,0,2929974.story#axzz2l20Vwgy6


FUE 2:20
The literally challenged Pelline missed that I specified three FEDERAL elected offices. Name one, Jeff.

Jeff is blocking me over at his sandbox after I called him on an error which he just keeps doubling down on, taking a Harvard student group's wordpress account over an official Harvard University history. Since he's brought some anger over here I'll fill all in: In short, a very fine group, the Harvard Glee Club, the oldest collegiate glee club in the US will be performing in Grass Valley in January. Expect a concert to be announced on Saturday, January 11 at the 7th Day Adventist Church on Colfax Highway. Maybe more appearances.
http://hgcfoundationorg.fatcow.com/hgc-announces-2014-j-term-tour/

The oldest collegiate choir in the US is the Harvard University Choir, chartered by Harvard a quarter century before an informal glee club was started by Harvard College students to sing Glees, a popular choral form of the day.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Gregory: Did you really get kicked out of the sandbox? You counter every argument pretty good. Hmm. Guess pesky facts or the free flowing exchange of ideas got the pooh flying in Little Big Boy's monkey cage. Always best to stand afar when the baboon reaches back and grabs a handful and let 'er fly. Oh well. Its his latrine and he can make the rules. You know the rules: One person does writes the monologue, the readers listen. Just like No Drama Obama. Serious disagreement is not to be tolerated.

Don't know why this Hank thing is such a big deal. Dr Rebane and neither the PHEW can vote for him nor against him. However, since I moved down towards Smartsville and still within the county line (by a couple of hundred feet), I can vote. So, all you anti-Hank fellers, go ahead and choke of them apples. You can't vote. Grip this ass wipes.

Speaking of college students and BarackObama and his Traveling BarackObamacare Band (ah, great led in to an off topic subject), did you see what real journalism published today on the evil website??? No wonder BarackObama spent his first year or two trying to silence Fox News. Now BarackObamacare is going after starving students. A sad day indeed. I cry for our youth today. Shame, shame.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/18/students-suffer-sticker-shock-from-obamacare/

jeffpelline

Does anybody moderate this blog to stay on point?

Anyway,

•This is what the Harvard Glee Club says about itself:
It is the "America's oldest collegiate choir."
https://www.facebook.com/harvardgleeclub/info
www.harvardgleeclub.org
And this concert has been announced at InConcert Sierra. To a small group, including myself, at a dinner gathering.


•Gregory has been moderated on my blog for a long time.

•You said "major offices." Now you're backtracking, I suppose since I came up with one. Let me add some more: I voted for Reagan twice and Bush the first time.

You can't make up the stuff that appears on this blog. Weird.
[FYI, this was rescued from the spam filter at 2133. gjr]

Gregory

Tozer, the FUE has had me on permanent "moderation" for a long time. I never expect a post to actually get through, and he's cut them up in the past without any indication that the post was not what I submitted. Jeff needs to be in control; it's a risk to post anything but he'll sometimes let something through if he thinks he has the upper hand. Like this time, he usually doesn't.

He hates to look bad.

Jeff, the world is waiting for even one Republican you have ever supported for a FEDERAL office you have had the right to vote for. A good bipartisan forty or fiftysomething Mr. Purple must be able to name at least one.

Make the crickets go away. Reveal that moderate Republican you supported.

Russ Steele

Dan Walters on CA’s Pension Problems in the Sac Bee
Public employee union propaganda notwithstanding, California has a serious public pension problem.
Or, more precisely, cities and some fire districts have a pension problem because they spend so much of their budgets on highly paid, high-pension police and firefighters.
Pension obligations are consuming ever-larger portions of those budgets, squeezing out money for other services. Payments into the state’s public pension fund played central roles in the bankruptcy of three cities and the one that has emerged from bankruptcy, Vallejo, is already back in distress.
Cities are in this pickle because of a perfect storm of shortsighted decisions.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/11/17/5919543/dan-walters-yes-california-cities.html#storylink=cpy
Mr Pelline often quotes the left leaning Sac Bee, but not on this issue. As Mr Walters points out it is more that an state problem.

Gregory

Walters said it well.

The pension problem will be ignored by California politicians as long as ignoring unfunded liabilities gets them reelected.

Thanks to Jeff for sharing his past GOP Presidential support; perhaps the old saw about conservative when young you have no heart, liberal when old you have no brain is at work here. Perhaps his favorite GOP House and Senate candidates will someday be shared.

Todd Juvinall

BillT, I too have been moderated off the FUE's blog for a long time. His claim to have voted for Reagan and Bush have to be BS since over the years he has never said that in any blog I recall. Maybe he could link us to those endorsements so we can believe him? Well, when hell freezes over I am sure.

The fact that the FUE comes here and insults George and the other posters here is the best indicator of his true self. Turn around his comments on himself and check out the people (the very few) who post on his blog and you will see why he is really a nothing here in Nevada County.

I have said that I think Hank is OK for another term and he has my support. My guess is though he won't need it since he is a shoe-in in my opinion.

Jeff Pelline

This is typical. It has to be "BS." Todd knows more about my voting record than I do. You can't make this stuff up!

BTW, here's what readers are saying on Fran Cole's Facebook page: "Hank probably shouldn't have hung his hat on this one considering your extensive experience and his culpability in the pension mess."

Stay tuned.

Todd Juvinall

BTW George, I wrote this on my blog after your last comment.

"I was directed over to the FUE's blog to read a ditty from that nut MichaelA. A true leftwing radical. He was apparently reading your comments here and was not very nice to you. But, like all two faced liberals, they wait until you turn your back to apply their knife. Too funny."

George Rebane

ToddJ 929am - thanks for the heads up. Over the years I have received from correspondents a continuous stream of such observations about heightened nastiness when local progressives comment on what may be called their 'home turf'. I don't know, maybe it's something about a cultural prerequisite in becoming a leftwinger.

Jeff Pelline

In fact, I deleted those comments because they weren't appropriate. How about over here?

Gregory

Jeff, your behavior here has pretty much defined the limits: at RR's, you typically have to make repeated fabricated and defamatory remarks against someone in order to get erased. Also, George's lie detector is more sensitive when the lie is about him.

I hope this helps.

BTW, I do now see why you were so oversensitive about the errors you repeated and extended regarding the upcoming Harvard Glee Club concert: InConcert Sierra is now using your copy on their web page. It's a shame they had not been corrected in a timely manner.

Ben Emery

George,

I say the same about you here or any blog. My most polite and complimentary description of you is you're are probably a decent man to those close to you and indifferent to those who are not.

I think my evolution on Rebane's Ruminations is pretty typical for anyone who doesn't hold your specific ideology.

First I respected and defended you despite disagreeing because I thought you were an honest player.

Then the realization that your are only honest at breaking down your own straw men arguments.

The respect slightly diminished

Then when challenged on the straw man arguments your true opinions leak out.

Then you beg for the thread to stop talking about your opinions. I can give you the minute I lost my respect for you (06 August 2012 at 11:13 AM) and it was at that moment I became aggressive and stopped trying to have dialogue with you and your whole blog. It got testy and negative before Aug 6th but from this point forward it was 99% of the time.

"Gregory 1036am et al - Gentlemen, your persistent and reasoned counsel on the utility of my using 'raghead' (even though meticulously apologized) is beginning to make inroads since my credo is not canon but subject to continuous review.

I have Sikh friends and colleagues whom I would not want to hurt, no matter how unintentionally. So I ask for your help in adopting a new label that fulfills the requirements for a pejorative and unambiguously recognizable label as explained in my raghead essay. While appreciating the suggestion of "I-borg", I rejected that for the reasons given." 06 August 2012 at 11:13 AM

At best your political commentary is intriguing and I find your worldview disturbingly racist and elitist.

Ben Emery

19 November 2013 at 12:43 PM
Let me clarify. I am torn about George Rebane the man vs George Rebane on Ruminations. Since I don't know you as an everyday person I will have to say my lack of respect is aimed at your political commentaries and opinions not you as a human being.

I do have a hard time separating the two. I am probably one of the most Jesus teaching following people and conservative living in their private lives on this blog. I am also probably the most consistent politically progressive as well. That is why I am trying to clarify and come to terms to you and myself that as a human being I respect you but do not respect your political ideology. The dichotomy is tough to separate at times but I know it exists.

Jeff Pelline

Gregory,
You sound like a broken record, and in an echo chamber the noise must be deafening. It also must be terribly frustrating for such an "intellectual superior" like yourself to be ignored too. But take it out on the Harvard Glee Club, not me. I've got work to do.

Gregory

With all the other moving targets I'd forgotten to make a comment about the Crabbman's toon... in a chance meeting the day before it published, Earl told me he was particularly proud of it.

My bellylaugh was a few seconds delayed as I pondered the "I'll put it on my tab" punchline and the Millenial's request to make it a double in response.

Well done, Earl.

George Rebane

BenE 105pm - Thanks for the considered response and clarification. I am most puzzled at what in my 1113am response to Gregory made you "lose respect", and moreover, when have you ever seen me "beg for the thread to stop talking about (my) opinions"? Discussing, critiquing, and defending our respective opinions about significant issues is the sum and stuff of RR. That openness of this forum is what keep its readers returning and/or commenting.

We are here not so much to change the minds of calcified ideologues, but to prevail upon those still open to reasoning under our respective logics and world views. When one's ideology does not fare well in such a public forum, withdrawing under whatever available cover is perfectly understandable.

In Gracian #145 we read "Do not exhibit your sore finger for all to strike upon, and do not complain of it, for malice always pounds where it hurts most. ..."

Todd Juvinall

JeffP, when a person loses credibility with others such as you have here, then yes, I do know more about you than you do.

BenE. You need a different line of work. Trying to use your voodoo psychology and tell us who George really is or isn't is way above your meager pay scale. The left is an outmoded dinosaur in the fast paced world of today and tomorrow. We know, you should learn it.

Jeff Pelline

Todd,
I never thought of you as a Dr. Phil-type. God Bless You.

fish

I've got work to do.

Well.....let's hope it's cardio!

Bill Tozer

Good one Mr. Fish. I was relieved to read Little Big Man is going to do his work. All work has value. Hmmm. I was going to suggest Little Big Man's Purple dinner bell is ringing or the kid needs help with the homework, but I was beaten to the punch by the PHEW himself.

I get the impression that the PHEW does not like the way Dr. Rebane runs his blog. Should be more rules. Boy, don't you just hate it when things don't go the way you want them to? That is the problem with control freaks. They are controlled BY the need to control. Just can't go let it go. He will be back. He can't stop himself. Gotta find out what we are saying about His AssHoliness. What you sow is what you reap. He is being controlled.

Brother Ben, drop the I forgive you for being you crap. I know, its not Dr. Rebane you take issue with, its his words. Stop acting like a baby and take that diaper out your hinney and put it on your head, Mr. Diaper Head.

Yes Ben, I do respect you as a person cause you are a child of the Universe and have the right to be here and breathe our air. I respect you taking the moral high ground and becoming the self appointed defender of the weak, the helpless, and those who have experienced injustice.

I just wish you would take your crusade of defending the rights of the most vulnerable among us (the defenseless ones, the ones who have no say, the ones who have the right to breathe our air, the children of the Universe) aka, the unborn child. Don't get a nose bleed looking down on us evil oppressors.

Jeff Pelline

Dr. Phil would have his work cut out for him over here. Nobody is even addressing the topic of the blog post anymore.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Pelline: call the Governor and tell him Dr. Rebane's blog ain't behaving the way you want it to. Rules, Dr. Rebane needs more rules!!! There oughta be a law I tell ya.

Todd Juvinall

I like Hank. There Jeff Pelline, I addressed the post.

Now, as far as the oversight of theis blog. Mr. Rebane does not appear to be booting your butt off so right there he has the moral high ground over you. Second, your attitude belongs on your blog where you can do and say whatever you want and we all over here could give a rat's ass. Third, you use code words and phrases which you think make you a smarter than the average bear guy. You slam and slight but with "finesse". We all are just simple country folk. We allowed you to become part of the county, that is, we did not "moderate" you from the place and you pay the place and people back with smart ass comments and degradation. If you want people to not repay your words of derision towards them I would suggest a frontal lobotomy. Anyway, you are a constant source of humor, you and your pals Frisch and Anderson too. But please, go run your pitiful blog and leave the rest of th county alone. Sheesh!

Dr. Phil's analysis. Man seeking attention, over-eater and full of hubris. Terrible traits in this age of trans fats.

Jeff Pelline

Todd,
Come on, tell us how you really feel. BTW, I love your Twitter feed: "63 and still a political activist on the conservative side. Three kids, three wives and now single. Life is good."

Ben Emery

Bill,
The reason it might appear like an upward glance to see my eyes isn't because of a pedestal or high horse but rather those looking up are in the mud.

I believe in freedom, liberty, and the equal access to the opportunity of such qualities for all not just a select few based on phenotype, wealth, or origin.

George Rebane

BenE 716pm - Pray, how did you ferret out that RR opposed freedom, liberty, and equal access to these? Moreover, where did you dig up the evidence that RR promoted freedom and liberty only for those with the proper phenotype, amount of wealth, and (ethnic?) origin? We kinda thought that we had those beliefs pretty well hidden from casual progressive perusal down here in the mud, and you up and nail us again. Rats!

Off hand, do you have a reaction to Supervisor Hank Weston running for a third term?

Todd Juvinall

I am giving you every opportunity to stop yapping Jeff Pelline but you cannot help yourself. Your ego tells you that you must have the last word. Well, guess what, this may go on a long time.

BTW. I like Hank Weston.

So, Dr, Phil says take a double shot of brandy, thank the LORD you are allowed to live here and then go to seep. Thinking of all those sheep.

Jeff Peline

Todd,
I'm confused from the profile on your Twitter feed. Were you married three times or do you have three wives? Big difference. LOL.

Bill Tozer

Brother Ben: "I believe in freedom, liberty, and the equal access to the opportunity of such qualities for all not just a select few based on phenotype, wealth, or origin."

Fair enough. I take that as an unequivocal YES that you support defending the freedom, liberty, and the equal access for the unborn child. Ben, millions of the unborn are slaughtered each year and I am soooo grateful that you include the absolutely most oppressed of our society. May you forever speak for them, our unborn children. I was going to say that the word fetus is Latin for "Unborn Child", but you already know that. The evildoers changed the term Unborn Child back to the Latin word just to confuse us and make the child seem like a "thing, an "it" if you will. Yes, Ben, my respect for you speaking for those who are unable to speak for themselves is soaring by the second. Keep up the good fight. This injustice, this wholesale murder of the defenseless must be addressed.

Use all the influence you have to fight the good fight. May the wind be at your back as millions of tiny muffled voices are cheering you on. Their very lives with their tiny fingers and tiny feet and strong heartbeats depend on you. A winner never quits, a quitter never wins.
With much gratitude,
Bill Tozer

George Rebane

ToddJ and JeffP - gentlemen, would it be possible to move your little tete a tete to one of your own blogs? Or in my book, the last mudball thrower is the loser.

Ben Emery

George,
I don't want to rehash everything again. Yourself along with many here on RR have promoted your love of liberty, freedom, and property for yourselves and loved ones but not so much for others. Especially if those others are Muslim, from another nation that cannot stand up to the US military empire, of color, working poor, the poor, or those on the left side of the political aisle.

“Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.” Thomas Paine

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