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08 January 2014

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Ben Emery

George,
The next level of voter suppression. Always keep in mind a vast majority of the time these things happen in Democratic leaning districts/ precincts.

1) intimidation
2) voter caging (replacing jim crow laws)
3) voter purging

#4 forced provisional ballots

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/12/thousands-of-local-voters-forced-to-use-provisional-ballots-in-last-weeks-elections/

http://projectvote.org/provisional-voting.html

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/provisional-ballot-law-prevented-little-fraud-but-forced-extra-work/1266470

Ben Emery

Todd and Fish,
Keep on showing those who might read this blog how my authoritarian fascist/ corporatist label is spot on.

George Rebane

BenE 909am - I take it that is the sum and substance of your 'evidence' that the implemented methods of voter ID have reduced the turnout of minority (i.e. Democratic) voters.

Todd Juvinall

So BenE, you deny you are a OWS supporter? Do you deny you are a Black Panther supporter? Come on man, we read your swill all the time. You can't write those things here without us getting your truth.

So BenE, tell me, if I am a ardent supporter of the Constitution, individual rights and economic and military security for the USA, does that mean in your definition I am what you have called me?

Ben Emery

George,
We still have a few to go. As I mentioned in the first comment this has many moving parts since it was built upon the Jim Crow laws, which was built upon slavery.

The point is if you really want to understand how the Voter ID are a continuation of voter suppression laws you need to have a grasp at the size and scope of the practice.

George Rebane

BenE 1026am - Not at all Ben. All the evidence I need are the numbers that answer my 122pm, the rest of it is just progressive blather.

Ben Emery

Todd,
Keep them coming. I am a supporter of the suppressed OWS and disagreed with some of the actions but support the ideas of the Black Panthers. Shouldn't have you supported the Black Panthers since they were anti government and pro 2nd amendment. You know self-determination fellows who felt our government services and interests weren't the same as their communities. Sound Familiar?

You're a supporter of the US Constitution of how you perceive it. I am a supporter of the US Constitution on how I perceive it. My perception is of equality and inclusiveness and yours is of oppression/ suppression and exclusiveness.


"The concept centered on Black self-determination, Black people getting themselves organized together so that they could survive outside the municipal, state or federal systems, which were already under-servicing the Black community. It was not a new idea: minority communities across America had done this in previous decades to support new immigrants through communal associations and political machines." http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_survival.html

Ben Emery

George,
"Is there any evidence that requiring a voter to establish his bona fides has suppressed the vote anywhere? The only thing it has prevented is voting from the grave, and voting by those who don't have the legal franchise."

Until you have a grasp of the issue the answer to your question cannot be comprehended therefore disregarded as opinion. I thought you could handle the higher processing it might take to keep all the moving parts relative to the discussion but maybe not. Todd and Fish have shown their lack of ability for higher cognition by shifting their debate to myself instead of the issue of democracy/ voter rights.

Todd Juvinall

Thank you BenE for confirming your extremist radical ideology. I would suggest your support of the Black Panthers says it all. David Horowitz has written a book about his involvement with them and how they were murderers and worse. So, that means you, under your own definitions here, are a supporter of murder as a political mechanism. We just can't make this stuff up. Thanks again.

George Rebane

BenE 1050pm - I must admit that you are right, the nearly 2K posts of RR and my countless comments over the years amply prove that I cannot "handle the higher processing" of which you speak. And sadly I find that I am not alone. Apologies.

fish

Todd and Fish have shown their lack of ability for higher cognition by shifting their debate to myself instead of the issue of democracy/ voter rights.

When the argument is unconvincing always, always, always blame your debate opponents for their inability to comprehend the beauty and nobility of your thoughts!

Hey Brainiac....had you any plans on expounding on the notion that democracy wasn't about winning elections? Perhaps your ideas are far too nuanced for my feeble brain (or you're off your meds again) but was curious as to what your election strategy was if "winning elections" wasn't a significant part of this magical democracy of that you preach about.

fish

... of this magical democracy of that you preach about.

....this magical democracy of which you preach.

Fixed that for me!

Todd Juvinall

BenE, you are making yourself the issue not me or fish. You have radical thoughts and a far different view of reality than normal people. The things you say belong in post 92 Albania. They had 100% voter participation there every election and the victor got 100% of that. So maybe you should look in the mirror because your hubris is showing.

Besides, BenE, we have written here ad nausea our positions at your request and until we agree with you I guess you will keep saying we never did. Too funny.

Gregory

Higher cognition à la Ben can best be earned by spending your formative years chasing crop picking jobs with the Joads and the rest of the repressed rainbow underclass. To really grok victimhood, don't hold back from getting into fights while getting babysat in K-12, and rant against folks doing better who bothered to graduate from high school ready to go to college to study a math intensive subject, or anything else for that matter.

Ben Emery

Follow the thread my friends. I have been talking about democracy/ voting and the topic when it became uncomfortable switched to winning elections and then myself. You guys are fine with everything I am posting as voter suppression because it does not affect yourselves or your political leanings, which shows this blogs ideological mindset.

Ben Emery

Please tell me how these descriptions do not fit the fab four/ five authoritarian fascist/ corporatist on this blog?

For the fab four/ five fascism doesn't necessarily mean Nazism, just so you know.

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

fish

Follow the thread my friends. I have been talking about democracy/ voting and the topic when it became uncomfortable switched to winning elections and then myself.

Elections are part and parcel of the "democratic process". If we aren't voting for elected officials Ben what are we voting for.....bond measures, prom queen, most likely to succeed??

You guys are fine with everything I am posting as voter suppression because it does not affect yourselves or your political leanings, which shows this blogs ideological mindset.

Nothing you say..with the exception of last summers "corruption of the blood" thread makes me uncomfortable.....in fact you are such a perfect characterization of todays SWPL/Portlandia Concern Troll I feel sorry for you most days. Somebody posts something that can't be conveniently argued away gets the patented Ben Emery "Authoritarian....Fascist....Corporatist" chant or a quick change of subject.

There are people who absolutely should not vote as all they will do with their exercise of the franchise is to help themselves to an endless list of wants funded from the public weal! Hardly a recipe for responsible self government.

fish

You know Ben you have a bad habit of posting somebody elses homework and then expecting other to defend themselves from your charges based on that.

Tell you what...why don't you climb down off the poop tractor and show, point by point how I (and for the purpose of this exercise just do me...the other are within their rights to request the same) satisfy all (or even a significant percentage) of the 14 characteristics listed.

Ben Emery


Fish,
What do think I have been doing for the last few weeks. Do you remember snidely remarking "We are over here now" because I continued to post on a old thread? I gave the basis of what I consider being fascist.


http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/12/a-future-of-failure-a-timely-progressive-lament.html?cid=6a00e54f86f2ad8833019b0385fe24970d#comment-6a00e54f86f2ad8833019b0385fe24970d

Ben Emery

Fish,
"There are people who absolutely should not vote as all they will do with their exercise of the franchise is to help themselves to an endless list of wants funded from the public weal! Hardly a recipe for responsible self government."

Keep it coming.

Let me ask you Fish, how do you think those who have sat in economic and political power throughout history did so? By creating laws that didn't help themselves at the expense of others. Slavery laws, no women could own property laws, white male property owner voting laws, and so on. I didn't realize you were Todd dumb but I guess going off of your italic one sentence comments should have tipped me off.

Todd Juvinall

BenE, you have left the building man but you refuse to realize it. Too funny.

fish

No Ben, you posted 14 points and implied that one who didn't want to be considered a fascist should defend themselves against the specific points.

fish

Let me ask you Fish, how do you think those who have sat in economic and political power throughout history did so? By creating laws that didn't help themselves at the expense of others. Slavery laws, no women could own property laws, white male property owner voting laws, and so on. I didn't realize you were Todd dumb but I guess going off of your italic one sentence comments should have tipped me off.

Right Ben....and your evidence of me supporting any of these things is......?

Strawman much?

Ben Emery

Remember all these things happen predominately in swing states in Democratic leaning precincts/ areas.

Suppressing the vote

1) intimidation
2) voter caging (replacing jim crow laws)
3) voter purging
4) forced provisional ballots (many are not counted)

#5 electronic voting machines
results
-long lines
-election fraud
-unverifiable vote count

No One Should Have to Stand in Line for 10 Hours to Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/opinion/26tue4.html?_r=0

New court filing reveals how the 2004 Ohio presidential election was hacked
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239

Electronic Voting Machine Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSe24deOpUY&list=PLF05806E20AF8E50A&index=5

Poll problems cropping up around US
http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/06/poll-problems-cropping-up-around-us/

Bill Tozer

Well Ben, is the glass half empty or half full? Thank you for sparing me another long dissertation on Jim Crow laws. That is most appreciated. The glass is half full this morning.

fish

No One Should Have to Stand in Line for 10 Hours to Vote
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/26/opinion/26tue4.html?_r=0

New court filing reveals how the 2004 Ohio presidential election was hacked
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2011/4239

Electronic Voting Machine Fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSe24deOpUY&list=PLF05806E20AF8E50A&index=5

Poll problems cropping up around US
http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/06/poll-problems-cropping-up-around-us/

1) You can vote absentee. That's how Melowese Richardson did it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/08/1185705/-Idiot-Melowese-Richardson-voter-fraud#

2 & 3) Never been a fan of electronic voting. These problems should be corrected....agree completely.

4) So the normal screw ups involved with most things inner city....when they are administered by the denizen of same...are the fault of the evil non-progressives how? Okay fine...that hateful racist judge made them cover up the "Hope and Change" campaign slogan painted into the mural at the polling place but we all know...wink, wink, nudge, nudge that he did that because he hates black people like all whites except you.

fish

No Ben, you posted 14 points and implied that one who didn't want to be considered a fascist should defend themselves against the specific points.


Ahem.....any chance we're going to see "Official Ben Emery Anti Fascist League Action" on these charges?

14 points.....a "Rebanes Rumuinations" search feature on the front page of this blog.....let's get crackin Ben those accusations aren't going to make themselves!

Bill Tozer

Obamacare and the White House hype.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-21/where-have-all-the-uninsured-gone-.html

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