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21 January 2014


Joe Koyote

This is one of the more absurd things you have ever written. The cold war is over George. China is now a competitor in the market place not an enemy trying to take over your freedoms. The real enemy of freedom and democracy is big money not chicoms. This mornings news had a story about how the richest 85 people in the world own more than the lower half of the world's population put together. This alone is enough to piss off, well half the population of the world, especially the hungry ones.

"Through established leftwing class warfare initiatives and issues (e.g. income inequality), promote an intensified polarization of the country’s population". The polarization is caused by ideological propaganda machines and their megaphones that spew divisive drivel like this. You are fanning the fire not putting it out.

George Rebane

JoeK 1016am - You have again misunderstood the post Joe. This has nothing to do with the Cold War or the past. This is modern geo-strategic competition. My point is that you collectivists are playing into the hands of our competitors through your social(ist) agenda that continues to weaken America along every dimension of our national wellbeing and sovereignty. If China could prescribe our internal social agenda, they would have a hard time finding anything else to do that you and yours aren't already doing.

Michael Anderson

George, I agree with Joe. This is one of the silliest conjectures you've come with yet. Does Stratfor advocate this hypothesis as well?

Michael A.

George Rebane

As I had expected, our liberal friends have nothing material with which to dispute my post other than calling it names. Sorta sounds like the administration's attitude toward the people who are reporting the mounting travesties of Obamacare. My 1145am bears repeating.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane. Can't respond to your China post right now. Caught the swine flu and now have pneumonia. Will respond in a day or two. However, since your 07:30pm touched on Barackobamacare, I will let this post speak for me. Sorry to be off topic. Enjoy my shorter comments while it lasts.


Russ Steele


To arrive at your point of view, one has to do second and third level thinking, that is not a one of the skills most liberals possess. They are more about feeling, and feelings, not about thinking and connecting the dots on several different levels. Here are some dots that they might want to consider.
# When you total up all imports and exports, China is now the number one trading nation on the entire planet.
# Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars.
# China has more foreign currency reserves than anyone else on the planet.
# China now has the largest new car market in the entire world.
# China now produces more than twice as many automobiles as the United States does. After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, GM is involved in 11 joint ventures with Chinese companies.
# China is the number one gold producer in the world.
# The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.
# 85% of all artificial Christmas trees the world over are made in China.
# The new World Trade Center tower in New York includes glass imported from China.
# China now consumes more energy than the United States does.
# China is now in aggregate the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.
# China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.
# China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.
# China produces 3 times as much coal and 11 times as much steel as the United States does.
# China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.
# China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of any national defense system.
# In published scientific research articles China is expected to become number one in the world very shortly.

Bill Tozer

Good list Dr. Rebane.


George Rebane

RussS 955pm - excellent expansion Russ. And because China is such a high performing nation right now, it is also open to catastrophic failures as are all high performance systems operating at the edge of their envelopes. Its ability to survive such domestic setbacks - large and small - that slow its geo-strategic progress depends largely on weakening competitors able to leap in to take up any of China's slack while it recovers and restabilizes. America is China's leading competitor there, and it would behoove China to do everything it can to limit our ability along those lines while still remaining a consumer of Chinese goods which we can no longer manufacture so well or so cheaply.

Understanding this game is way beyond the abilities of Obama's foreign policy team (and apparently his local chorus), they are still in the Neville Chamberlain mode, not realizing that such classic naivete applies to relations other than a shooting war.

Joe Koyote

These ideas demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Chinese culture. Historically, the Chinese have never really had a "colonial period'. They have never had colonies in Africa or South America as have European cultures. As a culture they feel they are far superior to others and have no want or need to have to deal with and feed inferior cultures that they have conquered. They have no interest in dominating the globe politically. The idea that China wants to politically "take over" is left over cold war nonsense fabricated by western propagandists. However, this is not to say that the Chinese won't challenge the West economically.

George Rebane

JoeK 822am - Joe, you are beyond repair. From what source do you fabricate these strawman claims that no one has made, yet are needed to bolster your arguments against a Chinese "take over"? Availing yourself to sources beyond MSNBC would have informed you long ago that the Chinese have already been a more than a 'challenging' presence on ALL the world's continents. Now they are beginning to expand into their near abroad.

One thing is for sure, they will never again order the burning of their fleet no matter their cultural hubris. Try to focus.

Russ Steele

Japan's Prime Minister was on Fox News this morning to discuss the rising tension over China expanding their power and sphere of influence in the region. Video is here:

Bill Tozer

Mr. Koyote: The gist of what you pointed out was true for centuries. However, China has changed its military strategy in recent years from defensive weaponry to very offensive military might, aka, the Chinese Navy. Has our military brass deeply concerned.

The Chinese have always felt superior to other races and those of non-Chinese ethnicity. Very ancient Chinese saying: Bread taken from the oven is dark, too burned. Bread taken from oven is white, not cooked enough. But bread that is yellow is perfect.

Dr. Rebane, might I add one thing to your partial list that American liberals like that has the Chinese smiling:

George Rebane

BillT 107pm - Mr Tozer, your addition to my partial list is accepted with a smile, but not one akin to the ones you correctly point out are on Chinese faces.


Not really worried about China trying to further destabilize the United States.....we really don't need any help we're doing fine all by ourselves....and China has a crapload of its own problems!

May we all live in interesting times!


Yo Ben...how's the assignment on my Fascist tendencies coming along?

Michael....back from hibernation...and just in time for spring training!

Bill Tozer

Mr. Fish: interesting link you posted. Yes, its late night and I woke up sweating bullets and delirious in my weaken state. That's my excuse and that's my story and I am sticking to it just like a cold sweat soaked shirt clings to one's body.

Its not surprising China is having a potential economic slowdown. Akin to a hot start up company that sees its stock soar, then when it gets big, very big and older it tappers off. Just like Microsoft.

My father used to say "someday the sleeping giant will awaken". Well, it has alright. Now we get to look behind the bamboo curtain.

Capitalism must be a moral system to function properly. That is why we get our feathers plunked doing joint ventures in Russia. Corruption in China? Say it ain't so. All those countries where the State is their God (secular societies) are corrupt through and through. Corruption on the grand scale is rooted out in a moralistic open society. That is why my Brother Ben is always declaring "everybody is doing it, doing, doing it. Picking their nose and chewing it , chewing it, chewing it." Just like a kid on the playground who is astonished by human nature at its core. That is not right! That is not fair! He broke a rule!

Not everybody is doing it here and when some do, it makes the financial headlines and they have a boat load of government lawyers, customers, Board of Directors, and Attorney Generals making their lives not so comfortable and downright miserable.

Well, China executed the ones that sent us lead painted toys. Don't mess with the goose that lays the golden eggs. Not nice to lose face in China. They have no sense of humor concerning those kind of things. Enemy of the State and all that jazz. Did find some poetic justice when they sent us dog food tainted with anti-freeze and we sent them our sub-prime slime paper. Touche.

There is another old Chinese saying: Man who farts in Church must sit on his own pew.

Russ Steele

From Instapundit:

Someone Just Said Something About The Japan-China Conflict That Scared The Crap Out Of Everyone.

During the dinner, the hosts passed a microphone around the table and asked guests to speak briefly about something that they thought would interest the group.

One of the guests, an influential Chinese professional, talked about the simmering conflict between China and Japan over a group of tiny islands in the Pacific.

China and Japan, you may recall, each claim ownership of these islands, which are little more than a handful of uninhabited rocks between Japan and Taiwan. Recently, the Japan-China tension around the islands has increased, and has led many analysts, including Ian Bremmer of the Eurasia Group, to worry aloud about the potential for a military conflict.

The Chinese professional at dinner last night did not seem so much worried about a military conflict as convinced that one was inevitable. And not because of any strategic value of the islands themselves (they’re basically worthless), but because China and Japan increasingly hate each other. . . .

He then explained that the general sense in China is that China and Japan have never really settled their World War 2 conflict. Japan and America settled their conflict, he explained, and as a result, the fighting stopped. But China and Japan have never really put the war behind them.

The Chinese professional acknowledged that if China asserted control over the disputed islands by attacking Japan, America would have to stand with Japan. And he acknowledged that China did not want to provoke America.

But then he said that many in China believe that China can accomplish its goals — smacking down Japan, demonstrating its military superiority in the region, and establishing full control over the symbolic islands — with a surgical invasion.

Yea, with idiots we have at the controls what could go wrong?

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