Republican Rumblings, Democrats’ Delight - Addended (3mar14 update)

George Rebne

[This is the transcript of my regular KVMR commentary broadcast on 28 February 2014.]

It is election season again, and, frankly, it is becoming so that election season has become a perennial pageant.  With the troubles of Obamacare, Benghazi, IRS political targetings, DoJ’s fast and furious selective enforcement of laws, militarizing of federal departments, the economy’s doldrums, foreign policy fiascoes, and no end in sight for deficits and borrowing, …, you’d think that the Republicans would enjoy and easy sail to November and beyond.  Not so.

By the way, if you haven’t heard about half of the preceding litany, then you’ve been too glued to the dying embers of outlets like MSNBC and CNN.

But back to business.  Last October the GOP had its head handed to it by the Democrats when both sides could not come to an agreement on the continuing resolution to appropriate budgetless funds in return for spending limits.  Remember that?  Team Obama was able to put the whole blame on the Right, and with the help of the lamestream media, Americans lapped it up hook, line, and sinker.  Led by Boehner, McConnel, and other luminaries of the Right, the mainstream Republicans slinked away from that encounter mumbling ‘Never Again’.

And just to prove that they had learned their lesson, enough House Republicans voted for the new but still cynically named ‘Farm Bill’ to let it fly through Congress without so much as a meaningful dent into the Democrats’ agenda.  The big hope of the Right was to maintain the possibility of separating food stamps from ag subsidies.  But the Democrats said ‘boo’, and showed Boehner a picture of his head on a platter from last October, and the 80% food stamps part of the farm bill was wedded to farm subsidies forever.

Well, it turns out that not everyone was ready to play the ‘you gotta go along to get along’ game.  The so-called Tea Party faction of the House continued to spout conservative principles and oppose the Republican leadership.  Led by freshman Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, we heard Republicans start saying some mean things about other Republicans, and a whole bunch of primaries this spring will see some serious scrapping between the ‘get along’ and the ‘not any more’ wings of the party.

So what is the ‘get along’ gang’s plan forward?  The best that one can tell is that they have adopted the ‘make no waves’ policy in Congress, believing that being on good behavior will maybe get them a pat on the head from the Democrats.  The big thought seems to be that we’ll lay low until we can get veto proof majorities into both houses of Congress, and then suddenly we’ll hoist our principles up the flag pole again.  Boy, that would sure surprise them liberals!

On the other hand, the Tea Party faction’s plan seems to be ‘Damn the Democrats, if we have to go down, we’re going down with our principles.’  Their long term thinking is that if the Democrats are loudly opposed as they implement heavier doses of socialism – more regulations, higher taxes, redistribution of wealth, income equality – you know the drill; then the country will hit the skids and people in the bread lines will abandon progressivism and vote in the Republicans, who will promptly point the way to the shining city on the hill.  In short, the Tea Partiers are saying to fellow Republicans, we gotta take her all the way down before we can start the climb back up.  The Democrats, of course, are delighted.

This coming Monday night you have a chance to hear all this in person at the Nevada County Fairgrounds.  There the Nevada County Tea Party is sponsoring an evening with Pastor Rafael Cruz, Senator Ted’s dad and number one fan.  The event will be held in Ponderosa Hall 6:30 – 9 PM.  These meetings are always well attended and fun, and you can even bring your own questions for the good pastor.  More information is available on the NC Tea Party website, and, of course also on Rebane’s Ruminations.

My name is Rebane, and I also expand on this and related themes on NCTV and georgerebane.com where the transcript of this commentary is posted with relevant links, and where such issues are debated extensively.  However my views are not necessarily shared by KVMR.  Thank you for listening.

[Addendum]  The comment stream below again corroborates the one-sided attempt from the Left to silence any and all media voices from the Right, especially those they consider effective in exposing audiences to viewpoints that are diverse and differ from their own.  On KVMR mine is a commentary invited by the station’s Board and management; although afforded a bi-weekly slot on the evening news, it is clearly introduced as a commentary that purports to offer only my views on subjects I select that may be of interest to KVMR’s audience.  I am a volunteer, as are so many others at the station, and Jo Ann and I also support that non-profit community outlet.  I am grateful to be the station’s lone conservative commentator, and in these past years I have continued in those efforts solely at the pleasure of the station’s Board and management.

(Mr Marc Cuniberti on KVMR focuses on financial news and advice.  However, I am told that his counsel seeps of sufficient capitalism and constitutionalism at times to also raise the ire of the same intolerant collectivist voices in the community.)

But from a broader view, in our national forum the Left enjoys a distinct advantage in the public’s mind by its ability to disguise and deny the constant din of its ideological promotions.  These come under the guise of social good and public benefits, and are presented in the form of events, forums, exhibits, shows, concerts, workgroups, festivals, etc sponsored by leftwing organizations with ‘pro bono’ names like ‘Save the xx’, ‘Friends of the xx’, ‘People for xx’, ‘Stop the xx’, … .  In promoting these gatherings, the lamestream media never identify the ideological message and the prescriptions for achieving their common goals, which always invite larger government, higher taxes and fees, ever more encompassing controls and regulations, the mandated altruistic surrender of individual liberties (oxymoron recognized), and the glorification of this or that collective.  None of these activities nor their media promotions are deemed by the Left as furthering their ideology.

Closer to home, KVMR is an admittedly left-leaning voice.  Its editorial content espouses collectivist causes throughout its broadcast day, including more extended programming – some lasting an hour - that blatantly promote progressive ideals and causes.  My lonely conservetarian voice makes up about 0.002% of its air time.

Finally, my own hope is for KVMR to some day become an outlet for more diverse ideological content that better reflects the political make-up of the community it serves.  In spite of that, I would never criticize KVMR’s right to continue promoting the worldview of its Board, management, volunteer staff, and the sponsors who pay its bills.

[3mar14 update]  We attended the Nevada County Tea Party gathering tonight in Ponderosa Hall at the fairgrounds.  It was a soldout event with over 300 people attending, some driving quite a distance on a rainy day from other northern California counties.  The featured speakers were TP co-founder Mark Meckler (currently with Citizens for Self-Governance), Republican candidate for governor Tim Connelly, and, of course, Pastor Rafael Cruz.

The event was organized by the NCTP leadership that included Nancy (past NCTP president) and Eddie Garcia who hosted Pastor Cruz’s stay in the county.   We arrived a bit early and I was fortunate to be introduced by Nancy to Pastor Cruz.  The Pastor and I had a chance to chat a bit, and the three of us had our picture taken by a friend.

Mark gave a short talk updating his activities to warm up the crowd.  Then Tim Connelly, whom I had not heard before, talked to us about the state of California’s economy, drought, and what was required to stop the outflow and repatriate lost businesses.  He is a good speaker, energetic and very knowledgeable about California.  Nevertheless, he has a hard road ahead to beat Jerry Brown going for his victory lap.

The main event was the barn-burner delivered by Pastor Cruz.  His was a story that celebrated America’s founding glory, diagnosed and mourned its current departure from what made us great, and prescribed a path of redemption and return that centered on getting the Christian community off its collective ass and into the voting booths.  The sad statistic that he focused on was that only about half the nation’s Christians (Protestants and Catholics) are registered to vote, and half of those registered actually do vote.  He put the lion’s share of the blame on the Christian clergy who eschew political issues and “hide behind their 501c3 pulpits.”

After his long and comprehensive talk, filled with citations from our founding documents and the Bible, Pastor Cruz answered questions from the audience.  The man is a refugee from communist Cuba, sharp as a nail, and has energy to burn in taking his message across the country to meetings like ours and to numerous pastors’ conferences where he excoriates his colleagues and does his best to light a fire under them.

Comments

[Douglas Keachie]

Maybe this illustrates how the dems will win: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=372967746087504&set=vb.100001228443841&type=2&theater if nothing else, it will give Walt something to think about.

[Jeff Pelline]

Does KVMR think it can pay for its expanded offices when it runs this B.S. on its news hour, complete with a plug for Pastor Ruiz? Memo to KVMR board: Enough with the comments on this blog, let's compare notes in a few months.

[Todd Juvinall]

Very good George. I wish good things for the event. It appears the flatlander blogger is not too happy though. Watch out. Oh, I posted some corrections on his blog an he exercised his rights to boot them. But that is him, and you are you. His ridiculous musings here will not be booted. He is simply a common type dictator. No one is allowed to disagree.

Regarding KVMR being attacked by the FUE. Isn't that precious? He allows every nutball socialist to post on his blog but complains when the Un ion, KNCO and now KVMR allow a retired military man to speak his piece. What a guy that FUE. Thank God that is his title!

[Barry Pruett]

Thanks George. Also, it was very nice to see you tonight, as it has been a while. I don't think that limiting speech in a free society is the way to go. This experiment in democracy has succeeded based upon the free flow of ideas...an idea in itself that our local leftists and their leader (Cartman/Pelline) are determined to trash. Thank you also to KVMR for promoting the ideals of free speech which have made this country great.

[Jeff Pelline]

Barry and Todd do not speak for the community, not by a longshot. Nor did they or ever or will they contribute a dime to KVMR. Or could they even afford it. The KVMR board needs to think more deeply about letting George Rebane spout his endless stream of B.S. on the KVMR news hour. Watch. And wait.

[Barry Pruett]

If Paul wants a check, all he has to do is call me. The vast majority of the community supports free speech. While I may disagree with points of view expressed in The Union or KVMR, I will fight until my last breath for their right to say it. A free society can work in no other way. Kudos to KVMR for standing up for such lofty and elegant ideals.

[Jeff Pelline]

Barry and Todd,
How much did you contribute to KVMR's capital campaign? After all, you "believe" in free speech.

[Barry Pruett]

As I said, all Paul has to do is call me...and I will put my money where my mouth is. Only people that cannot win in the marketplace of ideas advocate censorship. Maybe Russia is more suited to Pelline's proclivities than Nevada County. Pravda is probably hiring. Have a wonderful weekend stewing over why KVMR is airing free speech...

[Gregory]

The best that one can tell is that they have adopted the ‘make no waves’ policy in Congress, believing that being on good behavior will maybe get them a pat on the head from the Democrats." -GR

That "one" has it all wrong. It isn't about getting a pat on the head from Democrats, but rather not getting the unwashed middle pissed off at Republicans for "shutting down the government" which is all they'd hear from now until November. It's the swing voters who are in play and, unless the GOP blows it, they may well give the GOP the Senate in Jan 2015.

"Barry and Todd do not speak for the community, not by a longshot. Nor did they or ever or will they contribute a dime to KVMR" -the FUE (aka Fat and Furious)

Barry, Todd and George speak for themselves, and Jeff, that's all you speak for, too. Yourself. If you want to speak for the community, run for Mayor, Supervisor, city council. Something. Barring that, maybe even publish a real magazine, something people are willing to pay for, if only a quarter or two. Todd ran and won a significant office. Barry ran and lost and you give him nothing but abuse about it but think of it this way: every vote Pruett got was more than any vote Jeff Pelline got at the ballot box.

Put your money where your mouth is, Jeff. Fancy being a County Supervisor or, gasp! a Nevada City councilcritter. Maybe mayor someday. Mayor Pelline. How does that sound?

I hear "preposterous" being whispered, and they're probably right. A Pelline run for anything would also inevitably be compared to Pruett's result. How do you think you would do compared to Barry for any elected office, Jeff?

[Jeff Pelline]

This is funny, like a local version of the Jimmy Kimmel show. Nighty night.

[Todd Juvinall]

I think the FUE has shoen everyone here why he is the FUE. As a flatlander of short tenure I would expect his ignorance in the value of the people here. Perhaps he should go recline his carcass at the "boardwalk" and pose as the "thinker". Pondering his ways.

I watched the NCTV and the folks who testified about the "boardwalk" he so dearly loves. Yet, I saw not one thing about what Greg Cook said regarding his desire to see the thing go. The FUE, AKA, the "flatlander" wrote not a smidgen in his rag about Greg's comments. Now wouldn't the owner of the Friat Tuck's get a note? I guess he may not buy ads in the FUE's mag-rag so he gets nothing? But the worm farmer using taxpayer money gets praises.

Regarding representing anyone. I represent myself and no one else. I do have many people who like me though. Perhaps being the FUE is a lonely life. Try and be nice and people may take to you. I did once have the privilege of serving the people and I am grateful. As far as donations. I noticed the FUE mentioned he was part of a 1.3 billion dollar sale of a biz to CBS? Well la-de-da. I guess the "silver spoon" got turned into a gold one. I did not see his carcass at the Red Light Ball so I guess based on the FUE's way of thinking, he does not support the cops or the firemen.

You are a sad sack FUE. You are an angry bitter man and you were that way long before you came and polluted the County of Nevada with your hate. I will pray for you.

[Gregory]

One can only guess what his "valet" would have to say about Jeff's doings.

It was funny... recently, when Jeff was excoriating Barry for having a Nevada County blog that mentions Pelline more than Russia (can Jeff see Russia from his house?), and how unpopular Barry was, Barry apparently had more traffic than Jeff did.

Ms. Lowry signed off from FUEville, it does appear many more have, just not with the same flair.

Mayor Pelline. Anyone like the sound of it?

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory, Todd and Barry:
The same small circle. LOL.

[George Rebane]

re Gregory's 959pm - That "it's the swing voters who are in play" is a longstanding tautology, oft referenced on these pages. For some years now the electorate has been around R:D:I=30:30:40, so it isn't rocket science to conclude that both sides need to appeal to the independents. What my commentary tried to point out is that today Republicans perceive the Democrats (including their leftwing lamestream) to be the gatekeepers to Independents' attitudes. This assessment has a reasonable basis given the events since 2006. It is for that reason that Repubs are sensitive to ire of the Dems in Congress. Apologies that this wasn't clear from my short commentary.

[Todd Juvinall]

The FUE, Jeff Pelline, a man alone. At least I have a friend! LOL!

Batty, what is so funny about the FUE's views here is he never attends the functions where there are hundreds of people. Does he have a phobia? Anyway, I see you, George and Russ and hundreds of others out at functions that raise lots of money for military folks and there families and others. Never see the rich guy at them. It is my experience that you, Barry, and your wife Kim are very well liked and many people consider you friends. I am also honored that many say the same for me here. What is fascinating though is how so many people dislike the Pelline. If he traveled outside the front room he would be greatly disappointed at how he is perceived so negatively.

[fish]

Ms. Lowry signed off from FUEville, it does appear many more have, just not with the same flair.

Some elaboration on this would be greatly appreciated.

[Jeff Pelline]

Todd,
We are the main sponsors of the Foothills Celebration in Grass Valley today, along with Tri Counties Bank. Tonight, we are going to the Cioppino Feed fundraiser at the Fairgrounds. We have many friends and business contacts in the community. We are happy, successful and thriving — in our business and our personal lives. On a personal note, I have been happily married for more than 20 years. Our son is a straight-A student with a diverse group of friends. This ongoing attempt of you to belittle my life because you disagree with my views is getting old. You also open up scrutiny to your own life, faith, integrity, business success, which is a real "can of worms," judging from your behavior.

"Fish,"
In a personal and gracious note to me Judith Lowry signed off all the blogs, including RLCrabb's, which she cited by name. She felt uncomfortable with the personal attacks that are not moderated.

[Russ Steele]

The Nevada County Cartman has posted the six craziest quotes by Rafael Cruz, via The Daily Beast, which is a left wing blog. Once you get past the inflaming headlines on the quotes, I find that I can agree with most of the good Pastor views on government. These quotes were spread over many years, and one is left wondering what were the words in between that riled the Daily Beast and the other lefties, like the Cartman. Looking forward hearing those in between words.

[Jeff Pelline]

Russ,
You have some extreme views yourself, so it's hardly newsworthy that you agree with the "good" Pastor. Tell me something I don't know: Like how many people are going to show up.

BTW, Pastor Cruz' comments have invited scrutiny from all sorts of media. Here's one from the Associated Press:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/09/rafael-cruz_n_4755891.html

Oh, I forgot, when I moved here, you thought the AP was involved in some kind of conspiracy too. LOL.

[Doug Keachie]

So Barry will only dispense largess if he is kowtowed to? What makes him so "special?" The rest of us have no trouble hearing the call to support community radio, is Barry deafly challenged? Or just densely challenged?

[Russ Steele]

"AN EVENING WITH PASTOR CRUZ" EVENT IS SOLD OUT

[fish]

In a personal and gracious note to me Judith Lowry signed off all the blogs, including RLCrabb's, which she cited by name. She felt uncomfortable with the personal attacks that are not moderated.

Why would she "sign off" your blog which in addition to being little more than a windy echo chamber is ham fistedly moderated for both content and tone? One would think that she would be perfectly happy to play in your wading pool.

[Jeff Pelline]

Fish,
I suspect she wanted to be even-handed. She is friends with RL Crabb. I took no umbrage. (BTW, who am I talking to? "fish"?)

Russ,

So is the Cioppino Feed, in the same hall. It is a rather small venue: 200 people. The tea party will never get a local candidate elected with those numbers.

[Gregory]

George, the ability of the press to blame the GOP for a Democratic President refusing to sign a GOP budget goes back to the tarring of Gingrich circa '95. It isn't a tautology. In this case, there was absolutely no chance of winning the fight Cruz wanted to fight. Zero. Not even a Pyhrric victory would have been in the cards. All it would have done is possibly destroy the GOP's chances to take the Senate elections next November which right now look pretty damn good. Contested states are going to see "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance" over and over, and not blather about fighting the GOP to get them to reopen the national parks and cemeteries and feed the starving.

This was not the time for the fight, as the basic arithmetic remains GOP 1 (the Speakership) and the Dems 2 (Senate and Presidency). Elections have consequences, and Senate elections take three cycles to clean up. Cruz steered them to the fight last fall. Didn't work. Patience, grasshopper.

[Barry Pruett]

First, the "Tea Party" is not trying to get anyone elected. The campaign forums are designed to educate voters on candidates. Nothing more, nothing less. Had Pelline actually attended he would have known applause were handed out quite evenly.

Second and in the context of education, ten times the amount of observers attend the TP forums as opposed to the local League.

Good for the League doing forums too. The more speech the better.

[Todd Juvinall]

As we can read the FUE, the flatlander, has quite the thin skin. Anyone who does not believe in the radical leftwing ideals of the fellow is a target of his, self described "personal blog". And of course, he threatens all who disagree. The house he lives in is made of glass yet he throws stones at everyone and makes excuses no one believes. In all the years I have attended functions here, I have never seen him at one. He is too large to miss so he must be fibbing.

As far as me and my life. Sorry Charlie FUE, I have been an open book and most of that was on the front page. So, have at it. Go get me. You are such a buffoon. Too funny.

[Gregory]

It sure looked to me like Lowry was uncomfortable with Pelline's personal attacks (he was campaigning hard against Pruett at the time), not that every other blog is not locked down hard enough.

[Barry Pruett]

Campaign? LOL...look more like a jihad.

[fish]

(BTW, who am I talking to? "fish"?)

You're a "lurker" here so I'm sure you know why I post under a psuedonym.

[Todd Juvinall]

I think Pelline has surrendered. LOL! When Lowry leaves his blog for "cause" that is truly a big deal.

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
LOL. She specifically cited the attacks that ridiculed my personal appearance on RL Crabb's blog and was distressed that they went unmoderated. Again, I took no umbrage at her decision to exit the blogosphere. Pruett invites scrutiny with his divisive and manipulative politics. So far, it hasn't panned out for him — in our county or in northwest Indiana.

[fish]

All it would have done is possibly destroy the GOP's chances to take the Senate elections next November which right now look pretty damn good. Contested states are going to see "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance" over and over, and not blather about fighting the GOP to get them to reopen the national parks and cemeteries and feed the starving.

I agree.

The problem though, in my estimation is that once you wrest the senate from the vile and corrupt democrats, it's then in the hands of the only slightly less vile and corrupt republicans. Hard to be happy about that.

[fish]

Completely....utterly off topic!

Good thing gun control...err...... knife control works!

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/01/6199713/27-dead-in-knife-attack-at-sw.html

[George Rebane]

Gregory 925pm - You misunderstand that I am evaluating the two Republican strategies in my commentary - I am not. I am only summarizing them from what I observe, and the conversations that I've had with our Republican representatives.

[Barry Pruett]

Reading through this thread, other threads herein, and any post on Pelline's blog, it is abundantly clear who has the local market of divisive politics cornered...and that would be Cartman. Probably why The Union (being a community paper) did not want him.

I am outty for today my friends...off to judge my final NCAA meet of the season. Stanford, Japan, Finland, Norway, Canada, and Cal...and I got rings! I will post the details later. Great day for college gymnastics in the Bay Area!

[Jeff Pelline]

Barry,
You ran a divisive political campaign in our county ("San Francisco values," etc.) and in northwest Indiana. It's a matter of public record. And the public did not want you: You lost every precinct in one race and finished dead last in another. Ouch.

[Keen Observer]

Jeff is at best a "sham." He speaks of his business thriving, yet as I mentioned before, in past issues of his blog, he ran unauthorized and outdated ads in his magazine to bolster his page count. He mentions that he is a "major sponsor" of the Foothills Celebration event, similar in Scope to Tri-Counties. But the truth is that his money is not where his mouth is, as he probably just donated empty space in his magazine to the cause, rather than a significant monetary donation that Tri-Counties ponied up. His approach is hypocritical at best, as he slanders Dr. Rebane for voicing his viewpoints, while simultaneously attacking our aging demographic, whom support the grand majority of our local businesses that actually "employ" people. I also find it ludicrous that he views conservative viewpoints as extreme. I raise a family of four on a strict budget, I guess it makes me extreme to expect city, state, and federal governments to do the same. Jeff's sage advice is misleading, not all of us millenials raising children want to leave a broken America to our future generations. Obama's progressive nature may fool the public for a few years, but when the bill comes due and unemployment soars, you will see a return to the hard-working tenets that our country was built on. If I were an advertiser of Jeff's, I would reconsider my approach, as he too often lets his personal blog (read "ego") interfere with his business relations. If he doesn't like the small circle that comments here (which by the way, the overall readership is always higher than those that actually comment) perhaps he could go back to his own blog, as I don't recall anybody here specifically requesting his presence. Make no mistake about it, his vitriolic nature was never liked during his days at The Union (both by the community and his fellow employees), which is why he was given the curb. This dented his ego, and fuels his need to attack the community to this day.

[John]

As a causal reader of this and other local blogs, I am amazed at the continual stream of negativity and vitriol that is spread by this Mr. Pelline. His own blog is clearly showing the effects of his rancor in that he has almost no discourse, which is likely why he comes here. Would it not be appropriate and effective to simply ignore him as if he did not exist? He would surely eventually go away and spare these readers, and maybe the entire community from his poison.

[Keen Observer]

In the second sentence, I should have said "magazine" instead of "blog." BTW, if Jeff wants to contest these claims, I am more than happy to provide proof. He would do well to play in his own sandbox.

[Jeff Pelline]

John,
Are you the same John Spencer that lost to Terry Lamphier? Why don't you identify yourself? You always mistake "negativity" for people who disagree with you. And believe me, there are many. There is no discourse here, just a roomful of like-minded guys.

Keen Observer,
You are sadly mistaken and apparently jealous when people who don't share your views are successful. Sorry about that. Now the attacks have shifted from ridiculing my personal appearance to my business. Whatever. We are cash sponsors (just like the bank) and our business (and number of advertisers) is growing. We are an example of a thriving small business. We are generating and spending cash in our community, not exporting it. We are promoting our community to outlying areas, drawing people here to spend money.
Like John, you are cowardly: launching personal attacks and outright lies without disclosing your identity. By not identifying yourself your are also creepy.

[Gregory]

"She specifically cited the attacks that ridiculed my personal appearance on RL Crabb's blog and was distressed that they went unmoderated"

Bull. Jeff, you remain upset that Crabb chose a fat cartoon character to stand in for you and that isn't "ridiculing your personal appearance" any more than any editorial page cartoon is meant as ridicule; it's done so the audience has a clue as to who the target is. Anyone your size (just guessing, a supersized BMI of 50 or more) should have their body image reconciled with reality. I chose to highlight your immenseness only because you got on Crabb's case for choosing a fat caricature (anything else would cause him to lose membership in the Political Cartoonist's Society), and that if you can make lies up about me in defamations (for example, your fabricated story of a temper tantrum that never happened), I can highlight your immenseness at will.

Cartman was a perfect image to modify for the occasion, brilliant work by RL.

Face it, Jeff, you are the fattest guy I've ever seen waddling down Broad Street. I can stand to lose quite a bit of weight myself; if you'd like some exercise, I again challenge you to a footrace from the steps of the NCPD on Broad Street to The National, starting with putting on socks and shoes without assistance, tying the laces (no velcro, no sandals) and hustling down the hill. Video of the whole thing to be placed on youtube. Piece of cake... or, better yet, no cake. I'll even buy you a drink afterwards.

Jeff likes to use caveman images to tar those who don't share his politics on global warming. People with a background in science may enjoy reading the transcript of an American Physical Society workshop on crafting a new statement on climate change. The first one, from 2007, was crafted in secret by a self appointed group of officials, without any investigation into the real state of the science. This time it's in the open, probably because of the public resignations of a few physicists, including one Nobelist. Here's the transcript followed by a discussion by one of the participants:

http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/upload/climate-seminar-transcript.pdf

573 pages, took me awhile to read it, in detail in some places, glancing in others. Jeff, if you need help understanding anything there, let me know. Help is available.

http://judithcurry.com/2014/02/19/aps-reviews-its-climate-change-statement/

Curry is the chair of her department at Georgia Tech.

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
It is not "bull." You just don't like the answer. Ridiculing a person's personal appearance is neither brilliant nor intellectually compelling. The behavior here is truly abnormal.

[fish]

There is no discourse here, just a roomful of like-minded guys.

Ah....more of your incessant whining about "divisiveness in our community".

What exactly are you looking for Jeff? The spirited and frequently venomous back and forth that occurs here or the proggie affirmation "circle jerk" that I see regularly at your site?

[Jeff Pelline]

Oh there's another one, "fish." I'm having a conversation with "John," "keen observer" and "fish." Like I said the behavior here is truly aberrant.

[Gregory]

Jeff, your demanding of a normal weight cartoon caricature was over the top.

Truth about your corpulence beats your defamatory words, and Pruett (I've not met him myself, we just don't travel in the same circles) at least had the courage to run for office. Try it yourself, if you can stand actually putting your popularity to a vote.

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
I've lived all over the country and traveled all over the world, but I never knew people like you existed until I moved to this community. Many thanks for broadening my horizons.

[fish]

Oh there's another one, "fish." I'm having a conversation with "John," "keen observer" and "fish." Like I said the behavior here is truly aberrant.

I post as "fish" here and have explained why on multiple occasions. I don't post at your site because you don't allow it....no problem with that.... house rules.

If you find you find it unpleasant here, you can always slink back to your sandbox where the debate is always pleasant and to your liking.

[Gregory]

For a great list of aberrant behavior, here's the seven deadly sins of narcissism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Hotchkiss.27_seven_deadly_sins_of_narcissism

Can anyone here identify one that the FUE has not exhibited with some regularity?

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
Are you seriously denying that the behavior being exhibited in this thread is anything but aberrant? For your sake, I hope your future employer doesn't read it. LOL.

[Gregory]

"I never knew people like you existed until I moved to this community. Many thanks for broadening my horizons."

Why, you're welcome, Jeff. Yes, in the real world, smart people, when hit by ugly Friscoid political mudballs, hit back. Eye for an eye, truth against lies.

Don't take my word on your popularity; Jeff, run for office. Maybe you'll be lucky; Pruett might run for the same one and you'll have an easy win. [chuckle]

[fish]

Are you seriously denying that the behavior being exhibited in this thread is anything but aberrant?

Is there another definition of "aberrant" of which I'm unaware?

[Gregory]

Jeff, are you seriously denying you are in the running for "the fattest man in Nevada City"?

Here's one post Jeff used to call me a "boob":
http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2012/11/07/its-global-warming-stupid/

No, Jeff, it wasn't Global Warming, just another abuse of the state of the weather. Let me know when you get to the transcript of the APS discussion on the state of climate science and CO2.

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
Even as an adult, you don't understand boundaries when you "hit back." In case you haven't noticed, it is not very effective.

[Gregory]

Not effective? You're here, Jeff and your influence is waning. Seems to be working well enough.

Boundaries? You're fat, Jeff. Accept it and the words won't hurt. Then compare them to your making stuff up about people and passing it off as the truth... Maybe talk to the priest next door to your kid's school about bearing false witness.

[Gregory]

"Are you seriously denying that the behavior being exhibited in this thread is anything but aberrant? For your sake, I hope your future employer doesn't read it. LOL." -Pelline

Jeff, thanks for a near textbook declaration of actual malice and intent. It's a great help.

[fish]

More off topic.....sorry.....very, very soory!

"Oh Magoo Joe Biden, you've done it again!"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-tries-sign-canadian-woman-obamacare_783657.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[Keen Observer]

Jeff, seriously, take a hike back to your own blog.

Fish, "proggie affirmation circle jerk" LOL, enough said.

[Jeff Pelline]

A visit here is like going to the bar at Star Wars, only these people are real.
http://starwars.com/watch/episode_4_creature_cantina.html

[Todd Juvinall]

I think what we see here from the FUE, Jeff Pelline, is what is truly wrong with the lamestream media he represents. They are liberals, they are full of themselves, they are judgmental and they are always right. America is the victim of these hubric, self serving narcissists. They have driven the country into the ground with the attitudes and beliefs you read here from him. That destruction of civility and debate rests squarely on Pelline's and his ilk's shoulders. The demise of our country is his and his alone.When a person fights back against the personal attacks people like Pelline foist, he cries and whines and threatens. Yet what did he do for a living? As a "journalist" he muckraked anyone in his way and wrote all about a persons personal liofe on the front page! He says his persona; attributes are off limits. Why is that? What is the difference in Pelline denigrating the beliefs of others, you know, things that spring fro their noggin and out their mouths, and his obviously overweight status? I see no difference. In fact, I think his attitude towards people such as the Pastor, George and Russ are much more personally damaging than the fact we point out the obvious about the lard. But this has been fun, it always is.

[Gregory]

No need to go there, but Jeff is choosing to make his retorts in his own sandbox:
jeffpelline says:
March 1, 2014 at 1:24 pm

A visit to Rebane’s Ruminations is like going to the bar at Star Wars, except the people at RR are real:
http://starwars.com/watch/episode_4_creature_cantina.html

Sounds like sins numbers 3 and 4 from the deadly sins of narcissism linked above: "A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else...[and] by using contempt to minimize the other person.

[Jeff Pelline]

In fact, I tried to post it here but it was moderated. I don't think anybody who reads this thread would dispute it either.

[Gregory]

Jeff, your 2:09 didn't get "moderated", maybe it was just a loose nut on your keyboard?

I don't doubt you don't think "anybody who reads this thread would dispute it", and that could be the "magical thinking" of deadly sin #2.

[Jeff Pelline]

Gregory,
Look at it objectively: The thread began with criticism of an idea (flacking for a political event on a community news program) and ended with personal attacks (including references to personal appearance, business, kids, etc.). It's aberrant behavior, to say the least. As always, you were one of the major instigators of shifting the dialogue from ideas to personal attacks.

[John]

Gregory, your post and link to narcissism was spot on. He is marching to the drums he cannot hear, but march he must.

[George Rebane]

Administrivia - No comments here have been 'moderated', and I always try to rescue and publish those caught in TypePad's spam filter as soon as I see them.

And re the Star Wars bar repartee, I don't know about that (if memory serves) but to my knowledge it's hard to find a forum as open as RR for miles around. I kinda like it that way even though sometimes the cost is having slog through some side roads and mud pits. But where else can progressives come in high dudgeon, and then be taken seriously for their beliefs no matter how unworkable of dysfunctional they are? The resulting discourse serves beautifully as a weblog that reflects the signs of our times.

So have at it. And when the mood suits, swing by the topics and outrageous ideas in my posts now and then ;-)

[fish]

It's aberrant behavior, to say the least.

I'm guessing that "aberrant" is, under the Pelline working definition, is any situation that you can't fully control. You opened with:

Does KVMR think it can pay for its expanded offices when it runs this B.S. on its news hour, complete with a plug for Pastor Ruiz? Memo to KVMR board: Enough with the comments on this blog, let's
compare notes in a few months.

and then doubled down with:

Barry and Todd do not speak for the community, not by a longshot. Nor did they or ever or will they contribute a dime to KVMR. Or could they even afford it. The KVMR board needs to think more deeply
about letting George Rebane spout his endless stream of B.S. on the KVMR news hour. Watch. And wait.

continue by impugning a perceived lack of financial contributions from Messrs. Pruett and Juvinall:

Barry and Todd,

How much did you contribute to KVMR's capital campaign? After all, you "believe" in free speech.

Imply that somehow because they hold fairly similar opinions that you feel are inappropriate to hold they are to be marginalized......"othered" seems to be the term you lefty nitwits seem to favor at the moment.

Gregory, Todd and Barry:

The same small circle. LOL.

Accuse Russ of being an extremist:

Russ,
You have some extreme views yourself, so it's hardly newsworthy that you agree with the "good" Pastor. Tell me something I don't know: Like how many people are going to show up.

BTW, Pastor Cruz' comments have invited scrutiny from all sorts of media. Here's one from the Associated Press:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/09/rafael-cruz_n_4755891.html

Oh, I forgot, when I moved here, you thought the AP was involved in some kind of conspiracy too. LOL.

Complain about a negative portrayal and follow up with a personal attack about politics:

Gregory,

LOL. She specifically cited the attacks that ridiculed my personal appearance on RL Crabb's blog and was distressed that they went unmoderated. Again, I took no umbrage at her decision to exit the blogosphere. Pruett invites scrutiny with his divisive and manipulative politics. So far, it hasn't panned out for him — in our county or in northwest Indiana.

Complain that somehow taking a position opposite to those you hold is off limits

Barry,

You ran a divisive political campaign in our county ("San Francisco values," etc.) and in northwest Indiana. It's a matter of public record. And the public did not want you: You lost every precinct in one race and finished dead last in another. Ouch.

Snottily denigrating a poster for losing a political race followed by more whining distraction and then as expected.....psychological projection. Surely an internet veteran has to know that posting with a handle is done everywhere in order to prevent someone like you from holding the threat of “shaming” over ones head. Pseudonymous posting also has a rich historical tradition.....sheesh....you’re not very good at this are you “Bruiser”.

John,

Are you the same John Spencer that lost to Terry Lamphier? Why don't you identify yourself? You always mistake "negativity" for people who disagree with you. And believe me, there are many. There is no discourse here, just a roomful of like-minded guys.

Keen Observer,
You are sadly mistaken and apparently jealous when people who don't share your views are successful. Sorry about that. Now the attacks have shifted from ridiculing my personal appearance to my business. Whatever. We are cash sponsors (just like the bank) and our business (and number of advertisers) is growing. We are an example of a thriving small business. We are generating and spending cash in our community, not exporting it. We are promoting our community to outlying areas, drawing people here to spend money.
Like John, you are cowardly: launching personal attacks and outright lies without disclosing your identity. By not identifying yourself your are also creepy.

Sigh...covered previously..

Oh there's another one, "fish." I'm having a conversation with "John," "keen observer" and "fish." Like I said the behavior here is truly aberrant.

and on and on....you can name and shame all you want....for the love of god and your own self respect at least don't whine about it!

[John]

Well said fish. The FUNE needs a mirror.

[Jeff Pelline]

John,
You don't seem to understand boundaries either: name calling, ridiculing a person's appearance, attacking a person anonymously and dragging their kids into the discussion vs. these excerpts.
Would it have been more persuasive to state that some people here would be more successful public speakers if they had their adenoids removed? Or ridiculed their married life? Or their baldness? Or wondered why their children didn't want to live near them? Or their resume? I guess this is fair game too. Good to know for my next discussion. Pull out all the stops.

I'm reminded of this exchange with "JohnS":
http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2011/03/26/lies-lies-and-more-lies/

Or expressing an opinion like this:
http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2014/02/01/patti-ingram-cannot-hide-her-personal-contempt-for-terry-lamphier/

Bottom line: It's just not persuasive.

[fish]

LOL Jeffy....lol.

[Russ Steele]

I wonder how many of these local Tea Party Organizations will have citizen representatives coming to Grass Valley for Pastor Cruz's presentation?

• Sutter Buttes Tea Party

• Lincoln CA Patriots, Lincoln, California.

• Tea Party Patriots Of South Placer County, Sun City Roseville Chapter

• Sacramento Tea Party Activists

• Rio Linda Tea Party

Rush makes fun of the folks in Rio Linda, but they have an active Tea Party organization.

[Bill Tozer]

My, my. Finally caught a few moments to catch up and see what the hullabaloo is about. So, I read Dr. Rebane's commentary. No big deal. Nothing out of character. But, I did not have to read much further (the second post) to find this gem:

"Does KVMR think it can pay for its expanded offices when it runs this B.S. on its news hour, complete with a plug for Pastor Ruiz? Memo to KVMR board: Enough with the comments on this blog, let's compare notes in a few months."

Well, I agree with enough of the comments on this blog from that particular poster. KVMR can and does air anything they wish and I enjoyed listening to Bob Dylan and George Harrison tonight. You don't see me complaining that they air Jim Hightower's commentaries. What Ms. Hightower said about the "maniacal" Ted Cruz trying to destroy the economy of the US was beyond belief, coupled with devolving into over the top grotesque caricature personal attacks on Senator Cruz. Yep, Libs never have seen or even heard of a borrowed dollar they should return to the lender.

So, one poster does not like the way Dr. Rebane moderates HIS blog. One poster does not like people using handles or nick names on Dr. Rebane's blog. And of course, just as day follows night, one peculiar poster always always always always goes ballistic when Dr. Rebane is is given air time or print space to voice his opinion. A downright hissy fit ensues.

If only things would go exactly the way one poster wants, then everything would be grand indeed. He just can't seem to get KVMR, The Union, and R&R to be run the right way. Oh, I feel his pain.

This is worth posting again. Excuse my redundancy.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1527095_10151900142360911_514304862_n.jpg

[Gregory]

Fish, you got it right.

Jeffie,
"Look at it objectively: The thread began with criticism of an idea"

No, the thread began with you writing, "Does KVMR think it can pay for its expanded offices when it runs this B.S. on its news hour, complete with a plug for Pastor Ruiz?"

That ain't "criticism", Jeff, it's the rhetorical equivalent of monkeys throwing their feces at the at the zoo patrons.

[John]

JP, I have not mentioned, nor do I care about your issues with your appearance. I reject your behavior. And my last name is not Spencer. You should be open to the concept that there is more than one John that finds your behavior distasteful.

[Gregory]

John 11:35, I don't care about his appearance either. Ridiculing someone's appearance, including weight is something I never do, except for Pelline. He's special.

Four classic seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX_xgoo4IBM

[fish]

That ain't "criticism", Jeff, it's the rhetorical equivalent of monkeys throwing their feces at the at the zoo patrons.

The difficulty for "Curious Jeff" is that here the patrons don't mind flinging it back.

[Jeff Pellime]

Dear Animal House,

Your behavior is extreme as your politics. You don't understand boundaries. Gregory's behavior on the blogs toward Steve, Micheal, Ben and others, not just me, is the same. Let's face it: You tried to hijack KVMR's news hour with a free political plug masquerading as "commentary." Again, no sense of discretion. You got called out on it. So the attacks turned personal. It's the same MO. And it isn't persuasive. I don't think Ben, Michael and Steve will be coming back. Judith never did. And let's face it: No local politician is extreme, just you. You operate in isolation, like a pack of hyenas. BTW, "Your Mothers ALL wear Army boots"! LOL

[MikeL]

George,
I am afraid that the republicans have to acquiesce to most of the unrealistic demands to the vocal left least they risk losing the November beauty pageant.
Most of the unwashed ill or un-informed voting peons only hear bits and pieces of what is really going on and do not want to be bothered by details and thus are easily swayed.
They hear from the leading lier in the Senate, Hairy Raid, that all of the stories about the Un-affordable Care Act causing people to have to pay more for medical care or not being able to see their doctors like they did last year are all lies being put out by the Cocaine Brothers...since he said this at least three times it must be true.
The lie regarding a hateful video being the cause of a spontaneous demonstration that resulted in the murders of four Americans in Benganzi is forgotten by most voters...as well as my favorite line from Sir Edmund Hillary's inspired named child..Hillary Clinton..What difference does it make those guys are dead already...
The lie about the Farm bill being a big give away to Big Ag when in fact the majority of the money, $80 out of every $100 goes to welfare transfer payments.

Gregory 11:57...big boned indeed LOL

[Jeff Pelline]

MikeL,
You show a lot of conviction in your extreme political views, insults ("Hairy Raid") and "big boned indeed LOL" remark. But you're too much of a coward to sign your real name. Do you see the irony? What are you afraid of?

[fish]

Dear Animal House,

Your behavior is extreme as your politics. You don't understand boundaries. Gregory's behavior on the blogs toward Steve, Micheal, Ben and others, not just me, is the same. Let's face it: You tried to hijack KVMR's news hour with a free political plug masquerading as "commentary." Again, no sense of discretion. You got called out on it. So the attacks turned personal. It's the same MO. And it isn't persuasive. I don't think Ben, Michael and Steve will be coming back. Judith never did. And let's face it: No local politician is extreme, just you. You operate in isolation, like a pack of hyenas. BTW, "Your Mothers ALL wear Army boots"! LOL

This is "Pulling out all the stops"???? Wow....

Okay....even on a Sunday I don't mind.

Your behavior is extreme as your politics.

My suggestion is that you go back to your "ladies tea circle" where the decorum is...I'm searching for the correct term.....more delicate perhaps and you control the dialogue.

You don't understand boundaries.

So says the man who opens with greasy insinuations and lightly veiled threats.....Who are you.....? Why won't you identify yourself? Really Jeffy, you wheedle like a woman.

Gregory's behavior on the blogs toward Steve, Micheal, Ben and others, not just me, is the same.

Really? I find Greg's comments pretty tame....but then again you're Jeffy and not nearly so bold out of your sandbox.

Let's face it: You tried to hijack KVMR's news hour with a free political plug masquerading as "commentary."

You've worked in the news industry....? I mean I heard that you had so I'm surprised that you don't know that when discussing people or events that are getting attention in the world, you know..... newsworthy mentioning them in commentary, even if the person offering the commentary is aligned philosophically with the person under discussion is perfectly acceptable. You might want to look into the thousands of fawning columns by the E.J. Dionnes, Bill Presses, and Bill Moyers of the US Opinion industry if this confuses you.

Again, no sense of discretion. You got called out on it. So the attacks turned personal. It's the same MO. And it isn't persuasive.

Good lord Jeffy it's like you're channeling my ex wife. Stop whining.

I don't think Ben, Michael and Steve will be coming back.

Well isn't it fortunate that they have a "safe space" to go where they can all go and agree with the proprietor. If they want to come back and argue I'm sure George will be happy to see them return.

And let's face it: No local politician is extreme, just you. You operate in isolation, like a pack of hyenas. BTW, "Your Mothers ALL wear Army boots"! LOL

God you are so lame........

Did you just spell your own name incorrectly?

[Walt]

WOW... Look at all the fun I missed. ( a "gut" cleaning virus hit the house.) Looks like it hit this thread as well.
JP hasn't showed up here en'mass" in a LONG time. ( his site down? or cricketville?)
But LOL on the first post right out of the box flung in my direction, by dear ol' Dougy. ( who has plenty of baggage of his own here)

OK,, now to my four cents ( inflation ya'know)
The day has come Dear Leader's foreign policy has come full circle.
He has left the Middle East in ruin, All talk and anything BUT action.
( How did that "red line" work out?)
Now "O" tries to strong arm Putin?? Putin is a hardened fighter, while "O" is a mouthy street rat yelling threats as he runs away down the nearest alley.

[fish]

But you're too much of a coward to sign your real name. Do you see the irony? What are you afraid of?

I imagine he's afraid of having to deal with fending off all the gossip that an IPO Riche parvenu with plenty of time on his hands can spread while flitting from business to business like some vaguely malevolent Gladys Kravitz.

Really Jeffy some people have to work for a living and not play gentleman journalist in the foothills.

[Todd Juvinall]

Gregory had the definition of a narcissist earlier and if anyone had any doubt about the "flatlander/usurper" Jeff Pelline's personality then they can't do logic. My goodness man, grow some cajones and stop whining. At least I got death threats and my kids were picked on by liberals when I was a elected official. You just have to take some slights about your lard. So fish, you are truly right on the mark.

[Todd Juvinall]

Oh and the terrible loss we feel for Steve, Ben and others deciding to leave. Just a bunch of babies anyway, but they were good foils for their beliefs.

[Barry Pruett]

Wow! Jeff...you are still at it? Let it go man. That hate is going to eat you up.

[Jeff Pelline]

Barry,
No "hate" here; just holding up a mirror. And it broke. LOL. We missed you at the Cioppino Feed at the Fairgrounds last night!

[Walt]

JP needs a sidekick to help him out. I hear Pierce Morgan is looking for work. But if Jeff wants to move up, I believe CNN can be had for pocket change.
But how come FUE#1 didn't grab FUE#2 right out of the box?
It was quite telling when the only things NOT paywalled were Pro Lefty
stories. It worked so well, the cost of the rag doubled.
We could have had our own "Itchy and Scratchy" show.. LIB style.

[MikeL]

Jeff,
I am glad you asked why I do not sign my real name...you caught me... Imma cow ward.

I do not trust people such as yourself to not try to cause shit in my life. I don't know you from Adam except for the mostly nasty things you write here and what others say about you.
Also....
I have a real job for a real company, have several hundred people that directly rely on what I do for their lively hood and have the rest of the general public, including you, to make sure they are safe using the products that I am involved in. I prefer to not screw with other peoples lives by having some aye whole on a blog google me and throw feces at me.

[Jeff Pelline]

MikeL,
Oh, I get it: You can dish it out in spades — complete with ridiculing and insulting remarks — but you can't be accountable for it. With integrity like that, why would anyone trust you? It's scary to think that anyone relies on what you do, much less "several hundred" people. This blog sure attracts a lot of anonymous "bomb throwers." It speaks volumes.

[Barry Pruett]

Yes. I was judging my last NCAA gymnastics meet of the year. Great meet. Stanford, Cal, and the national teams from Japan, Canada, Finland, and Norway! Japan won, Stanford second, and Cal was a distant third.

[Todd Juvinall]

Thanks Barry for all you do in the community and for the kids in cllege. Others only snipe from the sidelines but you and Kim are doers.

[fish]

This blog sure attracts a lot of anonymous "bomb throwers." It speaks volumes.

Keep repeating your warding chant....I'm sure it will drive the evil spirits away someday.

[MikeL]

Jeff,
Dang it you caught me again....was I that obvious....my wife said that same thing when she caught me with that Eskimo hooker...why would anyone trust you?
Can I come over to your ladies tea circle blog if I use my real name?

Fish you are funny.....

[Bill Tozer]

Dr. Rebane speaking for 2 minutes a week on a small local FM station is trying to hijack the news department? Holy Smokes, better cut Amy Goodman down to 30 seconds a night so she does not hijack KVMR's editorial/news department.

Hey Dr. Rebane: you be a hijacker! The one that waddled back says so and we all know what that means. No need to haggle over the definition of hijack (as opposed to an invited guest). Such extreme terminology. Hijack? Did he say attempt to hijack? Let's not go there until Dr. Rebane gets a nightly hour show. Hijack? We all know its the spoon's fault.

[Jeff Pelline]

Bill,
The "commentary" was masquerading as a free plug for a tea-party gathering during the KVMR news hour. Buy an ad or get a show during the day. If I "waddle," you're ugly. And your Mama wears Army boots! LOL.

[John]

JP, your obsession with posters full legal names is revealing. These blogs are about an exchange of ideas. The validity, or lack of, your ideas is completely unrelated to the name of the person you are conversing with. The fact that you are obsessed with the name of the person speaks volumes about your evil intent. And the fact that you equate anonymity with cowardice is humorous. Keeping slime balls out of ones personal life is a choice that many make. If you spent more time on the content and delivery of your ideas, and less on the address of the recipients, you would likely find a better reception of your message.

[Russ Steele]

While our attention is focused on whining, pissing and moaning the world is changing:

Russia Escalates Crisis in Ukraine...
Sets stage for showdown...
'We are on brink of disaster'...
Ukraine navy chief switches allegiance...
West looks 'weak'...
FEAR OF NEW COLD WAR GROWS...
Moscow catches world off guard...
Kerry Whines...
REP: Putin playing chess, and Obama's playing marbles...

Lets get back to the serious stuff!

[fish]

Lets get back to the serious stuff!

Indeed....I confess to being less than confident that the Hyde Park mafia is up to the challenge the East is about to hand them.

[Todd Juvinall]

I see the Pelline is defending his original slam on George somehow "highjacking" KVMR and slipping in a plug for the Tea Party. Wow! Now that is truly subterfuge! Tell us JeffP, how is that any different than KVMR doing many stories on the SYRCL jerk Festival? I have yet to hear you say they "highjacked" KVMR for their socialist/commie/eco crap. Why is that?

[George Rebane]

In light of the discussion on how much and what I say on KVMR, I have added an addendum to my post to which I draw your kind attention.