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09 March 2014

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RL Crabb

I'd be surprised if Ms. Merkel has any kind thoughts concerning Vlad Putin. I saw the video of the meeting they had where he brought in a big dog (couldn't see too well but it might have been a rottweiller) to sit in front of Angie, who is terrified of dogs. Great negotiating tactic.

George Rebane

RLCrabb 222pm - never heard of that vignette, but no matter. On many other meetings the reports are that they really get along since they speak the same language (literally) of seller and buyer. They do business with each other and are able to keep geo-strategic matters separate from dog hairs. To my knowledge there is no Plan B to Merkel in who can talk sense into Putin (assuming, of course, that it can be done).

fish

Am I the only one rapidly not caring about the fortunes of the GOP? I mean we've become "Handout Nation".... anybody think there is a way to unring the bell and give people a reason to go back to work, to strive for something more than gubmint cheese.

I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the "Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam" sentiment?

Screw it bring on the collapse!

Walt

My good friend Fish.. It's time the GOP starts thinking RIP.
For some reason they think they can take credit for the last mid term
"drawing and quartering" of Democrat politicians.( never mind some GOP folk
got the same treatment.)
Nope,, that was ALL Tea Party. That's why the TP is loathed by BOTH.

The TP is the nations only hope to retain what little of the Constitution is actually left.
If we fail in the mid term for ANY reason, "O" and Co. , and the GOP will fork over what is left of us to China and Russia, since we will be unable to repay just the interest payments. We will be "repossessed", starting with Ca.

Walt

Some arrogance from the GOP clan. Nope,, they don't like the TP one bit.
Yet most voters who check the "R" box on their voter registration lean towards
"Tea Party" values. ( at least the ones I know)
We understand " give and take" is the game in D.C. and politics in general.
But for far too long the "Right" has been doing all the "giving", and the Left, has done all the "taking". ( Progressives idea of compromise)

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) didn’t merely say Tea Party candidates challenging him and other established Republicans in the 2014 midterm elections don’t pose much of a threat.


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, March 5, 2014. (Image source: AP/J. Scott Applewhite)

McConnell’s prediction is arguably more along the lines of fighting words.

“I think we are going to crush them everywhere,” McConnell told the New York Times. “I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.”

Paul Emery

Let the gamers begin. This will really be fun to watch.


"Meanwhile, big conservative groups are out for blood, ferociously pushing the party further right and fanning the populist flames that terrify business."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/business-republican-party-tea-party-104467_Page2.html#ixzz2vWq3MEW0

Bill Tozer

When the Tea Party is taking relentlessness flack from the establishment on both sides of the aisle, then I say they hit a nerve. As Mr. Paul points out, even the Big Boys of Business are taking firing off their shots. I call it fear. Somebody is thinking outside the box and pushing the establishment out of their comfort zone. Messing with their cheese so to speak.

Remember Sen. Cruz on the Senate Floor doing the filibuster thang 9 months ago? Why was he reading Green Eggs and Ham? The lone voice crying in the wilderness was to delay BarrackObamacare in its entirety. Well, rather than take the one step plunge, BarrackObamacare is being delayed piecemeal, one delay at a time in a flurry of announcements by no other than Barrack Obama of BarrackObamacare fame. Nobody is calling Barrack Obama a looney tune for doing exactly what Ted Cruz was trying to accomplish.

Its not just the Republican Establishment that is going along to get along. The Unions pushed hard for BarrackObamacare, mainly to go along and get their exemptions and political clout later. Now, they too see the errors of their ways:

http://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/union-research-document-says-obamacare-will-hasten-income-inequality#.Ux2pYs5sKOl

Funny, isn't Barrack Obama of BarrackObamacare fame railing against income inequality lately?

Bill Tozer

GATGA: Every party has a pooper

http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6943239/16-photos-hilariously-ruined-by-dogs-pooping-in-the-background

Joe Koyote

I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the "Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam" sentiment? -- How do we know such tweets are from genuine people and aren't the work of political operatives seeking to piss people off? I once had a student who worked at a PR firm and said they routinely wrote letters to the editor defending clients whose actions were criticized in the news. She estimated that 80% of letters in the Sac Bee were from shills and not concerned citizens at all. The truth becomes more difficult to ascertain as each day passes and the BS machines get better at what they do.

Gregory

'Going along to get along' isn't the issue for the GOP or TP. It's 'what's the best we can do with the Congress and President we have, and how can we leverage the next election so we can do more next year?'.

Piss the electorate off and you will get to do less next year.

Bill Tozer

TALK ABOUT AN ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE…
AP: “With no one else on the ballot, state media reported Monday that supreme leader Kim Jong Un was not only elected to the highest legislative body in North Korea, he won with the unanimous approval of his district, which had 100 percent turnout…” And like a lot of incumbents this year, he went negative early on his rival.

fish

I remember seeing twitter feeds during the last presidential election 80% seemingly expressing the "Ima Riot ifn ROBNEY gets lected amma don get my foo stam" sentiment? -- How do we know such tweets are from genuine people and aren't the work of political operatives seeking to piss people off? I once had a student who worked at a PR firm and said they routinely wrote letters to the editor defending clients whose actions were criticized in the news. She estimated that 80% of letters in the Sac Bee were from shills and not concerned citizens at all. The truth becomes more difficult to ascertain as each day passes and the BS machines get better at what they do.

Fair point Joe....the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages.

Bill Tozer

where my obamaphone?

Bill Tozer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhep2QOzM2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEKmI7qKKQ

George Rebane

Gregory 1006am - Your comment perfectly illustrates what CPAC speakers from the podium accused the Republicans of practicing. However, GATGA as an MO is vehemently denied by the Republican establishment, and hence giving rise to the two schools of thought that I described in 'Republican Rumblings'. Or more simply put, each side believes they can best "leverage the next election" by either playing a tactical GATGA or unabashedly sticking to their principles.

Gregory

George, being rational about the amount of power you wield and its effect on the fights you choose to fight is not abandoning one's principles. It's called being "realistic".

Bill Tozer

Fair point Joe. Let's hear moire from the horses' mouths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79wUEqBdQc

Dr. Rebane:

HOT AIR: SENATE DEMS HOLD GLOBAL WARMING TALK-A-THON
It may seem helpful to his goal of retaining the Senate, but Majority Leader Harry Reid is allowing the most liberal members of his party to make noise about climate change all night long. The issue is murder on the red-state Democrats who’s survival is key to keeping Reid in power. But for the liberal activists and corporate donors who keep the party chugging, it’s a must-do. In contrast to the epic Republican floor speeches of late, like the drone filibuster from Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and the day-long floor speech on ObamaCare from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, tonight’s antics are leadership-sanctioned. Sen. Brian Schatz D-Hawaii, who is facing a thorny primary challenge back home, is leading the effort. Participants will include Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.

Byronic explainer - Washington Examiner’s Byron York: “Democrats know where their money is coming from.[Tom Steyer] founded a political action committee called NextGen Climate Action and has announced plans to spend $100 million in the 2014 midterm elections ‘to pressure federal and state officials to enact climate change measures through a hard-edge campaign of attack ads against governors and lawmakers,’ according to a New York Times report. An all-night talkathon is not exactly bold action. But perhaps it’s enough for Democrats to show their big-money donors that they’re doing something.”

Joe Koyote

the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages. -- Perhaps they were legitimate, but I have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off. It seems to me that such statements would do them more harm than good. Such inflammatory rhetoric would probably even piss off middle-of-the-roaders whom the queens need for continued support at the polls. I am sure there were tweets to that effect out there posted by real live people, some serious some as a JoKe. But as a whole, I would be suspicious if such rhetoric went viral.

George Rebane

Gregory 1102am - Spot on! That's the argument, "being realistic", which then clearly indicates that the other (TP?) side is not, is what separates the Repubs and the conservatives. Much looking forward to hearing how principles were not abandoned by, say, those realistic Repubs backing the recent farm bill.

fish

the twitterverse seems to be pretty good at sniffing these out though. I saw no detective work implying these were spoofs, shilled posts or planted messages. -- Perhaps they were legitimate, but I have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off. It seems to me that such statements would do them more harm than good. Such inflammatory rhetoric would probably even piss off middle-of-the-roaders whom the queens need for continued support at the polls. I am sure there were tweets to that effect out there posted by real live people, some serious some as a JoKe. But as a whole, I would be suspicious if such rhetoric went viral.

One of the more recent developments surrounding the explosion of video capabilities is that people seem to value exposure over common sense. Every week or so there is another story about a crime solved because some nitwit felt not only compelled to record it but then thought it would be just brilliant to post it online for the world to see. That people posted sentiments like the one I provided upthread for all to ponder wouldn't surprise me one bit!

Gregory

Yes, George, I'm sure the Goldwater wing of the GOP was happier having stuck to their principles while LBJ pushed the Great Society through the Congress.

Einstein had "as simple as possible, but no simpler" as a rule. If the GOP wants to govern, they'll need the similar "as conservative as possible, but no more conservative than is possible". Get 60% of what you want rather than 0%.

Bill Tozer

Mr.Fish and Mr. Joe Koyote: Why in the heck would any sane person appear on Jerry Springer or the myriad of other bare all your dirty little secrets to the world shows??? It has to be seeking the roving eye of fame, be it notoriety, infamy, or money. I always said if some reporter from 60 Minutes ever knocked on my door, I would slam it shut. Hey, does that mean I am more sane that the so called "welfare queens", a phrase that is almost antiquated in 2014.

Mr. Koyote, you need not "have a hard time rationalizing just why a welfare queen would take the time and make the effort to intentionally piss people off". No, my good man, it is totally rational to those labeled welfare queens. Do you really think that for one second they actually wonder about taxpayers? Do you think for one second pissing middle of the roaders actually enters into the thought process? Never!! Someone is responsible for taking care of them and that someone is the goobermint, not taxpayers. Period. And they sure let you know via the information highway when goobermint is doing a piss poor job of being accountable to/for them.

Its not irrational to them, Mr. Koyote. If you were raised being the 3rd generation of iron clad guarantees that goobermint will give you money, food, and everything under the sun, wouldn't you be upset if the gravy train was running slow? It is most rational to a certain segment of our society. Sure, most vote Democrat, but that is not the point. This attitude is now an ingrained belief system. "Somebody has to be held accountable for this" as she points to her 12 children in a motel room.

They, just as the long term incarcerated (25-life), have become institutionalized and can not make it on the outside. Thus my references to modern day plantations of the Great Society should be taken as non offensive, but merely an observation of the dependency class that, like some former slaves, chose to stay on the plantation. The known is safer than the unknown. Thinking outside the box is irrational to some, thus trying to get your head around why they would show their mugs on camera and being the least bit concerned about pissing off the taxpayers is absolutely not in their thought process and an insane endeavor, IMHO.

Walt

Hat's off to our "honorable" RL Crabb. Just saw the news.
A well deserved recognition. And looking in great shape.
Now just how in hell are all of us going to fit in the Skeptic tank
for the party tonight?

George Rebane

Gregory 1222pm - while I may believe that LBJ won for different reasons than Goldwater sticking to principles, I agree with "as conservative as possible, but no more conservative than is possible". The rub is the assessment of 'as possible'. And, of course, there comes a point when ...

Bill Tozer

Pragmatism was a good friend to Bill Clinton. His Sista Soldier moment came when he was down in the polls revealed he could pivot without turning his back on all his ideas. Amoral comes to mind concerning his principles. Like Bubba or despise him, he got 100% of the office without ever getting 50% of the vote. I call him a "pro death penalty" Democrat.

To quote the Honorable Vince Lombardi, "Winning isn't everything. Its the only thing."

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Oh yes, Greg - the GOP is certainly being 'realistic'. 60%??? When was the last time the left got any less than 100%? There is no reason you can't be realistic and stand by your principles. I was always taught that if you were to strike out, at least go down swinging. The establishment GOP is just standing there, bat on shoulder, watching the balls whiz by. Have the GOP run some one like Allen West for president and I can guarantee they will get more electoral votes than some one like John McCain. The average American voter now believes the govt is there to give them money. As long as this is true, no true conservative can win a national election. But we can and have, won regional races. Please tell me what LaMalfa 'won' by being 'realistic' and voting for the so-called farm bill? Conservatives (me, for example) are not happy as we know what the bill was really about. The left is slagging him for being a hypocrite, and if he had voted against it, would slag him for not caring bout hungry children. Is that 'realistic' vote going to help him in the next election? You know it won't. Being realistic is admitting that America has become fat, dumb and lazy. Doing something about it doesn't start in DC - it starts in the local schools. Or more to the point - getting kids out of the govt run schools and into better programs of various kinds.

Bonnie McGuire

During Reagan's presidency the GATGA game obviously didn't work. I remember the Dems making the promise that if the Reps would do this they would do that to return the favor. But the Dems broke their promise and the result...the Reps got blamed for the results. That's why not long ago when California Dems were making a similar deal one Rep said he wouldn't go along unless they did the right thing first because they couldn't be trusted.

I like Rand Paul, and others with good principles. They are the heroes of humanity.

Walt

Speaking of getting screwed,
"According to the California Protected Lands Database, the state has 49,232,694 acres of protected land. This is 46.7 percent of the state (not including easements), which is the most populous in the Union.

Yet "O" is out for more.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/10/obama-to-ban-development-on-california-federal-lands/

So pretty much of half the state is now "untouchable". Yet the ECO gang demands more right here in our own backyards.

Walt

Thank You for the prayers friends... The ugly wait is over.
See you all in a few days..

Paul Emery

George

Goldwater was a raging Lib compared to todays so called Conservatives. He supported gays in the military and a woman's right to choose for example. He wouldn't get far with the wingers of today.

fish

Thank You for the prayers friends... The ugly wait is over.
See you all in a few days..

Again...my deepest sympathies on your mothers passing Walt.

fish

Goldwater was a raging Lib compared to todays so called Conservatives. He supported gays in the military and a woman's right to choose for example. He wouldn't get far with the wingers of today.

Indeed...a "Lib"....as in libertarian.... TEAM EVIL would loathe him as well!

Gregory

The TPer's here are conflating votes for President with votes in the Senate and House. While I agree the GOP do themselves no favors by electing RINOs, and they probably are done no favors by electing Republicans who even Democrats will like, sort of, if you are a Democratic President like an LBJ owning both houses of congress, you're going to win.

The likes of Speaker Boehner can't *win* against a Democratic Senate and Democratic President. Period. He doesn't have the votes. Demanding he take a principled TP Conservative position Dems will never go for, the political equivalent of standing in the corner and holding his breath until he turns blue, will not get you what you desire.

It will however please Pelosi, Reid and Obama, who would be overjoyed to see the GOP shooting themselves in the foot, Cruz style.

The likes of McConnell and Boehner are playing the hand the people of the 50 states dealt them and us in the last few elections. I suggest you let the card counters sit in for you at the casino, they are doing the best anyone could at the moment.

Paul Emery

Fish

If Goldwater were to run for President today how far do you think he would get if he was to say in a presidential debate "You don't have to be straight to shoot straight" in support of gays in the military?

fish

Not sure I understand your question Paul.

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From Greg - "The likes of Speaker Boehner can't *win* against a Democratic Senate and Democratic President. Period. He doesn't have the votes. Demanding he take a principled TP Conservative position Dems will never go for, the political equivalent of standing in the corner and holding his breath until he turns blue, will not get you what you desire."
Agreed Greg - did you read my post? So what is Boehner doing? What use is he?
As I said - just standing there watching the balls go past. Where is the 60% the conservatives are supposed to get? The Rs had power not too long ago and did the conservatives get 60%? Govt grew, the debt grew and regulation increased. I would say Bush put a couple of decent Supremes on the court and that's about it. Mitchell and Boehner need to organize a principled stand to the rampant downward slide of this nation. They are the so-called leaders of the Rs. They can do that. Come up with a package of legislative agendas that can be put out on the web in black and white. Have a clear set of points to pound the Dems with. There is a mountain of stuff to work with. Start a campaign of education with the American voters with simple illustrations of the many lies they've been fed and how they've been hurt by these lies. The Reagan Dems are ripe for picking - even the unions have had enough of this president. Instead, they are wasting time and money slagging the TP. Just playing nice and hoping for control of the Senate won't do it. The president will still veto anything they pass. And if they manage to win the Senate and run another mealy mouthed Dem-lite presidential candidate and some how win control of the fed govt again? We'll just have another form of slo-mo left wing slide towards a collapse that the Dems and the major news media markets will be thrilled to blame them with.

Bill Tozer

Paul, me thinks you are in the time warp again. A Republican candidate in 2014 can win the nomination by supporting gays in the military. Afterall, soldiers fight for our country, some to the death and it is a point most understand.

A single issue such as soldiers does not immediately disqualify a candidate. There many many soccer moms that are opposed to sending women onto a battlefield, including some Democrat Senators. Now, we are still a pro life party. If a single cell on some distant planet beyond our solar system can get the scientific community standing on their chairs cheering wildly for the discovery of life, why can't a single cell in a human body be called life?

Never shall the twain meet. Right to Life is a stumbling block for the nomination. Gays in the military? No. Almost a non issue. Not quite a non issue, but getting there.

George Rebane

PaulE 907pm - That's quite a leap of faith on Goldwater. I support gays in the military and a woman's right to choose, I just don't want to pay for her choice. To my knowledge, no one has accused me of being a liberal.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane, you are "a raging LIB". Better than being a flaming LIB. Would love to see ya dressed up in your magenta Tu-Tu while at the podium. :)

Remember, in 2008 Senator Obama repeated over and over he was opposed to the act of abortion on moral grounds and wished for better alternatives.. Did not hurt him one bit during his nomination run.

Todd Juvinall

I think PasulE has a different view of what people believe than many of us on the right actually belive. I too support a woman's decision but I also do not think taxpayers should pay for that. I just can't seem to find that in the Constitution. Same as Davy Crockett opined when he was a Congressman.

Social issues should be dealt with by people and private institutions. Get the government out of the workshop, bedroom and the business office. Out of the womb, a prostrate and sports. Shrink their involvement back to the literal meanings and definitions of the document. Get them out of the state's off my my property and schools. On and on!

Paul Emery

So can we agree that we agree that woman has the right to choose and agree that we disagree as to whether it should be funded by the government?

Paul Emery

Someone please correct me but isn't banning abortion part of the Republican platform as least in the last election cycle?

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Bill - Obama's 'stand' against abortion (and his blather about traditional marriage) didn't hurt him because he was lying through his teeth and the Dems were making sure the proper signals were sent to any slow witted voters that weren't getting the clues. Obama had a 100% rating from NARAL during his stint in the state legislature.
Paul - right to choose what?
Gregory - still waiting to hear about the 60% we conservatives will get by grabbing our ankles.

Paul Emery

Scott let me use Georges words " I support gays in the military and a woman's right to choose..." Of course it means abortion.

Paul Emery

Todd, George

Congratulations on your independent thinking on this matter

Your support of a woman's "decision" or "right to choose" is off the reservation when it comes to the Republican platform.

“Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed,” said the draft platform language approved Tuesday, which was first reported by CNN. “We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/g-o-p-approves-strict-anti-abortion-language-in-party-platform/

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Why thank you, Paul. I noticed you had to hide behind George. I really don't give a fig who calls it "a woman's right to choose". It's crap language fabricated by those too cowardly to openly advocate for some as vile as exterminating innocent human life as a means of birth control. It's weasel language meant to deflect the actual meaning and to imply that those against abortion on demand are some how really trying to stop women from choosing anything. Abortion is an unfortunate necessity on occasion. I wouldn't ever try to ban it. As it is used now, it is mass murder on an enormous scale. If 15 year old girls can 'choose' it follows that 15 year old boys can 'choose'. If human life at 1 month can be considered garbage to be thrown away, I find no logical reason to consider human life at any other stage of life to be considered any differently.
We can not save everyone. But we should try. Abortion on demand can not be defended by reason or logic. It is legal as slavery once was, but it can find no more good reason to exist in that unhappy state than slavery had found.

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Sorry - 4th sentence - 'something' not 'some'.

Gregory

Scott, if you don't think you're getting something like 60% now, maybe you'd like to go back to Pelosi with enough votes to pass something like Obamacare without a single GOP vote.

The GOP House is making progress on a number of fronts, from IRS abuses to Benghazi. If it was still a Dem institution, there'd be a lot less fodder for the coming campaign season.

If the Senate doesn't change hands before the SCOTUS has its next vacancy, there's a good chance the high court will turn, and will be cranking out majority opinions written by Sotomayor. Enjoy.

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Gregory - The debt is still increasing, the govt continues to grow and is becoming ever more abusive and the regulations are ever expanding. You are only talking about a rate of change not a reversal of the major problems.
Read about all of the DHS raids. They are becoming a national police force.
The natl debt is accelerating. The IRS and Bengazi and F and F 'investigations' are a joke and will go nowhere. A few low ranking heads will roll - maybe.
Fed regs pour out like water spewing out of a fire hydrant. It is bad and it will get worse. If you could point to a reversal in just one of those areas, I would listen. The left is in control because the average citizen either wants it that way or just doesn't care. Until that changes, we sink.

Gregory

Scott, the way for the GOP to get more control is to actually get majorities in both houses of Congress in 2014, then a viable candidate for Prez in 2016. Getting the likes of Cruz to throw True Conservative (tm) stinkbombs to make Boehner's life miserable won't get you there.

Neither will nominating unvetted neophytes like a Sharron Angle, or the occasional witch no matter how cute or conservative they might be. To govern takes a majority, not a purity of heart of the minority who actually managed to win their elections.


It really would be worse for you without the current GOP house majority. Trust me.

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Gregory's cogent argument - "It really would be worse for you without the current GOP house majority. Trust me."
In what way? The Dems have a habit of overplaying their hand. See Obama care.
Even Dems are running scared from it.
You boil the frog slowly, and the GOP establishment just argues with the Dems about how slowly. Sharon Angle would make a better representative than most any other I've seen. She might actually follow the Constitution and follow the law. Horrors!
The debt continues to grow, the govt continues to grow and our freedoms continue to shrink.
I have asked you to show some reversal and you can't - trust me.

Gregory

"Sharon Angle would make a better representative than most any other I've seen."

Not without winning an election, and she couldn't keep her foot out of her mouth long enough to do that. Harry Reid even supported her surreptitiously during the primary campaign; he knew who he wanted to run against.

If you want to get rid of Obamacare, you need to get a GOP Senate next year. And for the next presidential election, you might think about not nominating either a political neophyte or a first term Senator who doesn't have a record of getting things done.

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Obama will veto any repeal they pass. And what will the Rs offer in place? We will get rid of Obama care when Americans wake up to the fact that it was a con from the start and they were lied to. Doesn't matter how many Dems or Rs are in office. Dems have no morals or principles and will do whatever it takes to stay in office. There are a lot of Dems that would vote to repeal it now.
Sharon Angle did way better than any other R that had run against Dirty Harry in a long time. Foot in mouth? Doesn't seem to hurt other pols one bit.
Depends on R or D. The Dems regularly get folks elected that have an IQ of bath water or lower. If Obama had been an R and wanted to run for pres on his pathetic qualifications, you would have said what a mistake to run him. Didn't seem to hurt him one bit. Without his tele-prompter he barely makes it to local alderman if that. We have a crappy govt because we have way too many idiots and greedy morons in the electorate. How many even bother to read the ballot initiatives?
Hate to beat a dead horse Greg - but you are not addressing the TPs main issues. The debt and the size and scope of govt are going through the roof and our freedoms and liberties are declining. R vs D these days means only how fast we decline. The only rays of light are from the TP.
Read the latest stories about DHS - our new national police force. I fear them far more than I fear terrorists. Obama care is a bell we can un-ring. Not with out a fearsome loss of money and folks lives disrupted, but it can be gotten rid of. Once we have a thug-ocracy in place, it will take violence of a terrible scale to rid ourselves of. And that's if America finally wakes up - not a sure thing.

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Here you go, folks.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/hillary-clinton-iowa-gop-2016-election-poll-104621.html
I realize it's a poll and they can be wrong, but really - Hillary?
Crooked as a dog's hind leg and just as big a liar as her husband.
And she gets 48 to Christie's 35. And Christie was the great white moderate R hope of the sort that Gregory thinks will win for the Rs. The 'reasonable' R that could win in the blue state of New Jersey. You are chasing an electorate of complete idiots. Until they wake up, the country slides down the chute.

Gregory

"Hate to beat a dead horse Greg - but you are not addressing the TPs main issues. The debt and the size and scope of govt are going through the roof and our freedoms and liberties are declining."-Scott

Be honest, you love beating dead horses.

No, I'm not addressing the "main issues", which sprang from the libertarian side of the aisle, where the TP gets all of their *good* ideas. This is about getting the TP-GOP past the next elections despite their proclivity towards shooting themselves in the feet.

Sharron Angle might have been your dream candidate but had cooler heads in your party prevailed, Harry Reid wouldn't now be in the Senate.

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Never said she was my 'dream' candidate, Greg. Just way better than the pathetic crooked morons currently running our country into the ground. It doesn't take a lot of whole numbers to beat a zero. The Rs have run 'cooler' heads against Harry and they didn't do as well.
If you don't think the 3 main points I have challenged you with are the most important, I'd love to hear what you think are the 3 most important. When the country is broke, you're going to have a hard time ignoring it.

Gregory

"Never said she was my 'dream' candidate, Greg. Just way better than the pathetic crooked morons currently running our country into the ground."

She wasn't "way better" than the candidate she edged out in the primary who could have beaten Reid, and the likes of McConnell aren't "pathetic crooked morons".

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First Greg says we should run folks who win and then he says the loser is the better candidate who would beat Reid. I'm having a hard time following your logic, Greg. How do you know he would beat Reid? If he had won the primary, the same machine that went after Angle would then turn on him and destroy his image.
Have you already forgotten how the LSM loved Christie until it looked like he was going to be a formidable candidate against Hillary?
Mitch is looking better now that he admits it was a mistake to go after the TP. I think Sharon would have won had the R establishment actually helped her, and Mitch knows that now. Too late.
And could you please answer my question? Or do you just want to distort what I write and throw rocks? What is your idea of the biggest problems facing our country?

Gregory

"First Greg says we should run folks who win and then he says the loser is the better candidate who would beat Reid. I'm having a hard time following your logic, Greg."

Because the guy she beat in the primary (with Reid's help) would have gotten all of Angle's votes and a number of middle of the roaders in November. Running for Senator against an old battleaxe like Reid isn't an entry level political job and she didn't have the knack of keeping her feet from tickling her tonsils.

You really have a hard time grokking politics, don't you?

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No Greg - he would not have gotten all of her votes. You are the one that doesn't get it. You are the poster child of George's post. Just win with a Dem light and we continue to slide downhill, but hey, we won the office. If you are so up on politics, why won't you give us a bit of wisdom as to what are the principal problems of our country? You are free to criticise me, I don't mind but where are your opinions?
I'll be the first to tell you she gave her detractors plenty to distort and run with, but she knows more about running our country than Reid. It seems you would rather have a slick and polished liar in office that the so-called educated elites approve of than a competent leader. You seem obsessed with style over substance. The LSM loves to portray honest folk as hee-yuk rubes and the slick liars as polished and urbane. This country needs leaders concerned with what's best for our country and to hell with what some one from the NYTs thinks of them.
I think the bottom line question for you, Greg - if it was Reid vs Sharon Angle on the ballot, which would you vote for? I would hope it would be for Angle. Clearly, in Nevada, the voters decided the slick liar was the better choice than some one the NYTs would disapprove of.
I understand politics as practised in this country - and I don't like it. It's killing our country. You vote for my scam and I'll vote for your scam. See how grown up and polite it is?

Gregory

Scott, you're inventing history. The #2 behind Angle in the primary was the darling of the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity. Not an Obama acolyte, not a RINO. She, a former state senator, state party chair and beauty queen would have gotten all of Angle's votes and then some.

This isn't about being a Democrat in GOP Clothing to get some votes; it is about not throwing bombs that cannot result in a governing coalition in order to prove how conservative you are, and until the GOP can get control of the Senate, demanding the Speaker pick fights he cannot win is a recipe for your party shooting itself in the foot. Again.

My small government cred goes back to the '80's, and am quite used to friendly fire shooting friends who aren't pure enough; it's what keeps libertarianism (including its bastard child, the TP) from gaining a real foothold. You need a bigger tent.

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