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29 August 2014

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Fuzz

George, you're right on the money. If I remember correctly, after 9/11 there were Muslim leaders in the US publicly denouncing terrorism, but the rise of ISIS and affiliate groups to their current level of activity constitute a sort of "world 9/11". Considering their stated goals and brutal tactics, plus their acquisition of increasingly sophisticated technology, we must "all hang together or we will all hang separately"....(apologies to B. Franklin). Europe is in a worse position and England has just raised their threat level. Frankly, I don't understand why the US hasn't been hit with a wave of suicide bombing already. (Imagine a dozen suicide bombers, each in a separate mega-mall across the US on a Saturday afternoon, simultaneously detonating themselves. Imagine what that would do to "consumer spending"....other than drive everyone to Amazon.) Peaceful US Muslim leaders need to be public again, despite the risks. Failing to do so raises obvious questions.

Russ Steele

Bill Geltz writes in the Washington Free Beacon

The FBI’s most recent national threat assessment for domestic terrorism makes no reference to Islamist terror threats, despite last year’s Boston Marathon bombing and the 2009 Fort Hood shooting—both carried out by radical Muslim Americans.

Instead, the internal FBI intelligence report concluded in its 2013 assessment published this month that the threat to U.S. internal security from extremists is limited to attacks and activities by eight types of domestic extremist movements—none motivated by radical Islam.

They include anti-government militia groups and white supremacy extremists, along with “sovereign citizen” nationalists, and anarchists. Other domestic threat groups outlined by the FBI assessment include violent animal rights and environmentalist extremists, black separatists, anti- and pro-abortion activists, and Puerto Rican nationalists.

“Domestic extremist violence continues to be unpredictable and, at times, severe,” the report states.

A copy of the unclassified, 60-page National Threat Assessment for Domestic Extremism, dated Aug. 14, was obtained by the Washington Free Beacon. It warns that the threat of domestic-origin extremism was moderate in 2013 and will remain so for this year.

More details in at the Washington Free Beacon HERE. The Government refused to recognize the problem.

George Rebane

RussS 744am - Thanks for that important input which continues to corroborate the assertion that our government has now embarked on a police state mentality in which it views the greatest threat to its new brand of governance coming not from across our borders, but from its own citizens within. Many of us believe they are correct in their assessment. We can and will defeat America's foreign enemies, but our own government going rogue, with its technologically manifest and far reaching agencies, bureaus, and commissions training their sights on us, is another matter. Perhaps we too are yet another silent flock of lambs.

Walt B

The ones who say " they are just not here" may care to see how many "from here"
are turning up dead "over there".( That's where all the fun is....There words, not mine.) The latest two left from Minnesota, the same high school, and the same Mosque. That same "house of peace" is no stranger to investigation of radicalism. Vary soon, those that can't make the trip will turn their frustrations loose here. If the "street chemists" can whip up a batch of meth from household goods, things that can go boom will be the next recipe.

They are among us. That's for certain. But we dare not even suspect without getting marked as "racist". We can't even snag a bus load or two of illegals
when they march in the street demanding instant citizenship. ( But officer! They are right THERE!!!)

Muslim stuff has be found along the Southern boarder plenty of times. But that is to be ignored by homeland insecurity.
You would think our government is just asking for another attack. And maybe they are. There are some on Capital Hill that would love to have an excuse to suspend the Constitution and impose martial law from shore to shore.
( The True Progressive wet dream) Just think.. No mid term election.. "it's tooo dangerous". "O" would claim that it's just not smart to change administrations in a time of emergency, and put the nation in that hands of "beginners".

Far fetched? Maybe,,, but how far do you think "O" and Co. would go to retain their power?

Bill Tozer

Walt B: The old bumper sticker from days of drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll read "you don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw, so vote for Nixon in 72".
Nothing like another 9/11 for a good reason to suspend The Constitution of the United States of America, suspend the mid-terms, and take our focus off the 1.5-2.5 growth for all of 2014. Is there one drop of love for America in Barry's DNA?

Paul Emery

Bill

Are you willing to accuse Bush of the same shenanigan as you imply with Obama? That's exactly what those on the far left believe happened with 9-11

Walt

WOW! Paul is a "truther". Just like Van Jones. ( that what got him tossed from his czar gig.)

Now Paul.... Given "O"'s inaction against the radical Muslims, speaks louder than words. Even today "O" has NO PLAN. Listen for once to his mouth piece speaking daily in the press briefing.
His golf game takes precedence.
"O" has flown cover for the ragheads from the start. From the Muslim Brotherhood on up.

Russ Steele

Bill,

Do not go down Paul Emory's road to BDS. We all end up arguing about staff we cannot change. It is history, it over, it cannot be changed, but it does take us off the subject of this post, which is part of Paul's strategy.

Bill Tozer

heck no. only wack jobs believe that 9/11 was premediated for solely political purposes or even personal gain. Bush took it to them as best he could with the support of Conress and the UN. We did not even take Iraqi oil or even napalm the poppie fields in Afganistan.

Mr Paul, people on the fringe will believe anything. Heard Ophrah Windfree say on an interview that is was impossible for steel to melt. I can assure you that all metal has a melting point, be it Al or brass or steel or gold. No exceptions. I know cause I have worked in foundries and poured liquid metal a time or too. Wonder if the former heavy lady thinks her luxury automobiles came out of the ground in their current shapes or how the World Trade Center's I-beams were made. Hint: H-e-a-t. And I don't even consider Ophrey a far left wing wing nut or part of the radical extreme Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

Heard another expert say that was impossible for the passengers on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania to use cell phones from planes on that date in history. The guy called from a secret location when he said "Let's roll." Some blame the Jews and some like Obama's hand picked Czar Van Jonesing said it never even happened. There were no planes at all that crashed into the buildings. The secret government blew them up with big firecrackers.

Mr. Paul, this current lawless administration is arming the police, pushing to nationalize gun control, spying on every citizen, tweet, Facebook post, reading these words, having their lips so far up the ragheads' arses that you need a neumatic hammer just to hear that loud popping sound of Zero and Co.'s heads being removed from Ahabs' behinds.

Obama and Ayers and Van Jonesing and their ilk believe the only way to change America as we know it is to break the country through massive increases in social spending, topple it from the top, and arise again after the riots and smoke clears abit. It's in their writings not mine, being disciples of Sal, not me. Of course not one single paper has emerged from Zero's college career at Occiendal College, Columbia, Harvard, or even one paper from Zero's tenure as Editor of Hardard Law was emerged. Not one paper written by Zero on this or any subject. So, yeah, I judge a man like that by the company he keeps.

Big hugs and kisses, Billy T and his High Steppin' Heros and Zeros.

Walt

One more thing for Paul to comprehend. To "fundamentally transform" anything, what is originally there must be destroyed and torn down. Be it a solid structure, or society.
"O" and his wrecking crew of an "administration" has done a bang up job of the demolition of our Constitution.

The LIB "lambs" are willingly and complaisantly, being led to the slaughter house, with trinkets, freebees, and handouts. The rest of us are being dragged by the collar kicking and screaming.

Bill Tozer

My sincere apologizes Mr. Steele. Me pushed button that said "post comment" before reading your understandable warning.
Heck, it is indeed nice being off Mr. Paul's "do not respond to Bill" list. I be moving on up in the world.

The difference between a diamond and a lump of coal is pressure and heat. The obvious first impression difference between our last president and the current one is twofold:
First, W stumbled over words and even mangled them, a sin to the word police. On the other hand, 0 was a smooth operator that had people swooning and fainting upon hearing his words on a daily basis.

Secondly, as our esteemed Senate Majority Leader pointed out, 0 "is an articulate Negro". W has never been praised as an articulate Negro.

Todd Juvinall

Bush Derangement Syndrome! Some people are obsessed. Paul also believes there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. That is what things come to at a third rate FM station no one listens too. Too funny.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Todd: there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. I seriously believe the unnamed shooter was the one who shot JR Ewing. Ended a good run of a good tv series. After the shooter on the grassy knoll did his/her dastardly deed, we are now forced to search for Dallas reruns. Alas, woe am I.

Paul Emery

Gosh and golly

It was under Bush's regime (Republican House and Senate) that the Patriot Act was passed. And indeed the Republican Majority and Republican Sheriff in our fair county welcomed the Federal Grants for cell phone sucking and an armored vehicle for our local police without a wimper of protest from the Rebane chest thumpers. What's a guy to think?

Todd Juvinall

Golly Paul Emery, I guess I just don't know. The Patriot Act was, GASP! Bi-partisan, and all your pals signed on from the left. So, though Bush kept the country safe for the balance of his term, that rates low on your thank you list.

Todd Juvinall

BillT, Paul Emery actually does believe there was a shooter on the grassy knoll. Notice he did not deny it?

Paul Emery

Russ

Are the actions of our Republican majority BOS and Sheriff contemporary enough for you?

also Bill writes "Mr. Paul, this current lawless administration is arming the police"

That was of course with the consent of our local Pubbers

Russ Steele

Paul@10:32 I was not pleased about the Sheriff's MRAP and told Sheriff Royal directly at a Republican Luncheon, I am not sure what blogs that he reads. George has written about the militarization of the police and I have commented on those posts in opposition. If you are reading my blog you would have discovered that I am not a real fan of the BOS leadership right now.

Bill Tozer

Yep Mr. Todd, but we know who shot JR and some boneheads still think it was Pamela Sue or Miss Ellie. It was the dude on the grassy knoll.

Zero took the Patriot Act far beyond the letter and spirit of the law to realms unimagined by Bush even to this day. Bush, like Reagen (and Mr. Paul) possessed a healthy suspicion of Big Bro and trusted the people. The far lefturd Marxists have a unhealthy trust of Big Bro and suspicion of the people.

Mr. Paul, before you play that broken record again, pray tell, are you really simply upset that we are not up in arms over the local event ordinance or are you just doing the usual moral equivalency thang again to get us on the real topic about local ordinances and lights over Commerical street?
Heck, stab a opossum or ride an elephant and the locals go apeshit. Don't think the events ordinance can hold a candle to those two aforementioned earth shaking events, nor will Sheriff Royal be burned in effigy like the medicinal marijuana ordinance discussion.
Mr. Todd, I listen to KVMR on a daily basis (off and on, sometimes more off than on, sometimes more on than off, never on days off) to calm the savage beast within. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Wish they would play me some New Riders of the Purple Sage sometime, but I am too shy to call and request.

Bill Tozer

Part 2: Mr. Todd, I could be wrong about who shot JR. It could have been the one armed man.

Paul Emery

Russ

I have yet to hear George whisper a peep about the increasing militarization of our local police. It seems like every month or so there is a new Fed grant to the local police for some gadget and it rarely makes it off the consent calendar.

Bill Tozer

Oh, this is getting good. Grass valley police get some free stuff from the defensive department and we actually have a say in the matter. Excuse meeeee, Mr. Paul, but I don't live in GV or the village of Nevada. Like stuff given or sold to local law enforcement through grants supplied by the Defense Department is something that local Republicans have a say in. Ok, I will go up and chain myself to the old courthouse building if that pleases ya, not!
Boy you really can't stand the Defense Department. Can't blame ya with all that waste and fraud. Almost as riddled with waste, fraud, and abuse as the food stamp program (1/3 is fraud) or the billions ripped off from us each and every year by lying sacks of shit filing falsified Earned Income Credits. There oughta be a law! Oooopps, the laws are on the books. Some deterrent.

When someone posted the map of where the hardware of war was being sent to and which general localities, I was struck that if you drew a line from North Dakota down to Texas through Nebraska, basically the only toys of war local law enforcement got/requested was guns. No need for nothing else. With that said, I threw in Montana, Wyoming, Utah and was struck that the far NW corner of Montana got a hellcat vehicle. Now I know that vast uninhibited area and was puzzled why LE up there in the wild boonies would they need a armored vehicle. Was it because of all the crazy Canooks scaling the mountains north of Glacier National Park to sneak into the USA? There are no villages or settlements in that area either. Was it because they needed a free all terrain vehicle to route their way over to Ruby Ridge, Idaho, just in case. Naw. Then it stuck me. The only employer in those mountains is the government. Now it makes sense. Afterall, it's been declared a UN free zone and a handful of trappers and hermits might get uppity. Maybe, maybe not.
Then it hit me. That be grizzly country. The government scientists would need a fortified armored heavy plated steel 4x4 to hide from them hungry bears. Of course folks in that Northwest corner of Montana have been praying FOR global warming lately so they must be racial extremists and gun totting to boot. Who would turn down a free all terrain vehicle in them parts? Them hermit camp busters are expensive.

Russ Steele

Bush Did It

President Barack Obama said last night at a Democratic fundraiser in Rhode Island that the terrorism from ISIS "doesn’t immediately threaten the homeland." The reason? The security measures taken by President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to Obama.

First the president said the situation in the Middle East is "scary," according to a transcript of the event released by the White House.

"I don’t have to tell you, anybody who has been watching TV this summer, it seems like it is just wave after wave ofupheaval, most of it surrounding the Middle East. You’re seeing a change in the order in the Middle East. But the old order is having a tough time holding together and the new order has yet to be born, and in the interim, it’s scary."

Then he told the Democratic donors not to worry because measures put in place by Bush and Cheney "make us ... pretty safe."

This is not going sit well with Paul Emory and his lefty friends. Now the real question is, are we really safer with a nearly open southern boarder?

driveByPoster

Paul, with a sonorous voice sez:

"Russ

I have yet to hear George whisper a peep about the increasing militarization of our local police. "

http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2013/11/bb6-is-in-the-can-a-conversation-with-sheriff-keith-royal.html

There's also plenty of posts concerning the issue generally.

No doubt the underlying problem has something to do with the CIA in Iran, the Reagan administration, and the Bush family ties to Nazi Germany.

Paul Emery

The Sheriff accepting a Federal donation of an armored vehicle from the DOD. Does that fall under the topic of militarization of local police? The Repub dominated BOS gave it a thumbs up without a peep. There will be more to come.

George Rebane

Re militarization of NC sheriff's department. Over many talks with Sheriff Keith on the national problem (yes, I believe it to be a national problem) and its reflection on our county, I am satisfied that 1) our sheriff is minimizing the rate and scope of militarization, and 2) minimizing the deployment of his department's personnel in full military regalia when handling a law enforcement event. In my view, Sheriff Royal is a competent politician and a first rate law enforcement professional. He understands the common ground that both the county's Right and Left share in keeping his department's 'optics' to remain as traditional as possible.

My real concern is with Sheriff Royal's successor who could well wind up becoming our own version of The Little Corporal wanting to put his military gear on full display at every opportunity, and imbue his deputies with a helmets and armor shoot first and questions afterward mentality. As other counties and police departments have shown across the land, that is an extremely easy change to bring about. When the time comes, we should all join together to very carefully vet candidates for our next county sheriff. A Bull Connor with tanks, machineguns, and grenades will not serve.

Bill Tozer

Paul, we have recently slammed this militarization of police in numerous comments and talked it to death. Your more to come will not be anything new.

In all fairness, much of the recent concerns raised were probably buried in several now freshened up Sandboxs. The first concern Dr. Rebane raised after the Boston Marathon crock pot explosions was where in the heck did all these police in military garb and military vehicles and military weapons of war appear from. His radar was up and running before and after the BM croc pot bombings. Reminiscent of a tin horn dictatorship with the militarized police turning towards the citizens instead of enemies abroad. Getting harder to tell law enforcement from the military every day.

Mr. Paul, you are preaching to the choir. I'd wager you will find well over 100 comments in you do a little tedious digging. Consensus was we do not what our local law enforcement out gunned by the bad guys, YET this is a disturbing trend, be it visual or psychological, by design or not. Looks like they are preparing to quell civil unrest and hammer down the nail that stands up. Welcome to party, albeit you are wee bit tardy, aka, unsociably late. Please turn your hymnal to page 63.

George Rebane

To protest the most recent internationally publicized beheading of journalist Steven Sotloff by the Islamic State in the name of Allah, I take it everyone noticed all the street demonstrations, media appearances, and letters to editors from the highly touted moderate Muslims worldwide. I'm talking about all those moderate Muslims who claim to (oh so silently) reject what we like to call their 'radicalized' brethren. Maybe tomorrow.

Gregory

George, I'd give the Islamic Main Street a little slack... the terror is also aimed at them. Even Hamas ("responsible" terrorists compared to ISIS) is executing palestinians in Gaza who it suspects are playing nice with Israel.

George Rebane

Gregory 1023am - I already gave them this "slack" in my post. (Both ISIS and Hamas murders of their own are covered in my post.) What I'm doing in my 1002am is calling attention to the other alternative I mentioned - that they are not uniformly moderate, but live in communities that are already sufficiently 'radicalized' to make any kind of protests by moderates no longer possible. Does that not then mean that they are already here, and that the notion of moderate Muslim communities is a myth??

Walt

Word is out there is a real winner on the loose here in the U.S.
He came from the same Minn. aria. At least the leaders in the Mosque there
called the cops when he started "radical" talking. Gotta give credit where it's due.
It seems the FEDS dropped the ball again and let the bastard slip their fingers.
We may hear from this guy in six days.

Walt

This says it...

http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/tom-delay-obama-paralyzed-by-muslim-sympathies/

George Rebane

Walt 718pm - Can you give a citation for that. Yes, we should celebrate expressions of Muslim loyalty as they occur, if for nothing more than to recognize their courage and rarity.

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