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17 October 2014

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RL Crabb

This story gets weirder by the hour... http://www.rlcrabb.com/local/debatable/

Gregory

"The sign's claim of a "Ban on Medical Cannabis" in the county is a patently audacious lie."

By a former committee member I know, there were lots of untruths in the promotion from the start, but this sign is the last straw for me.

Walt

Maybe the "S"toners can explain just what "ban" is in place.
I have a copy of the SN&R (sac news and review) That last 15 pages are nothing but MJ related ads. Even "FREE 1/8ths" "FREE delivery!" " get your card for 50 bucks!"
Yaaaa.... weed is SO hard to come by.
Tell us again it's not about profits. " Grow here,, sell there. ( "for the patients" my ass.) It the un-taxed buck.

Walt

Check out the on line Union page. " large scale pot shipping operation "
two winners with ties to GV busted.

Steve Smith

Well, if you consider that Ms. Smith and one other ASA member heard that the BOS was planning a ban directly from the mouth of Mr. Greg Diaz, as well as another high ranking county official, the ASA group had no reason the believe that this was not the plan.

Especially when you have to rent and pay for bill boards 4-5 months before they are installed.

Now the board has recently clarified this position, but that makes no difference at this point.....

Steve Smith

If you want to talk about a "lie" then let's talk about County Counsel telling Judge Dowling that the ballots had all been printed, but we know that there was no reason to make up the story, as this was a fabrication, much like much of what we read here.....

If County Counsel had told the truth the ballots would have been required to have been fixed, and been done according to State Law.

George Rebane

SteveS 740pm - That's quite a charge Mr Smith. I presume that Ms P Smith and her compatriot will substantiate this, and then it will be most interesting to see what Mr Diaz has to say about being accused (along with a colleague) of violating professional ethics and confidentiality protocols.

Don Bessee

Interesting that the new pot profiteer sock puppet Steve Smith (aka? insert usual suspects) wants us to think that Diaz and the BOS suddenly get along. I think we all know better. I would not be surprised if Diaz kissed ass on pattie and the pot heads at some point before the window to run for his job. That may be why the pot profiteers are so furious about his staff taking their jobs seriously. We will not know who pays YES on S until after the election if ever. As an original Board member of the Court Reformers I know how this works when trying to disclose the real truths. Its all sworn and on video deposition as well on our security cameras video. The pot profiteers do not remember what we went through disclosing the truth about the Swindlers, Hastert and Lestert and Intercounty Title. My fear about the Lestert trial delay is that the State will cut a deal and we will not get all the scum bags or victims on sworn record. We recalled a Judge with a coalition of people from Molly Fiske to DV victims and the republican judge quit. She quit with a press release written by judge Tom Andersons political hack and campaign manager JJ. Gee who is JJ working for now?

Paul Emery

George you write
"3. Proponents of S admit that the measure’s purpose is also to expand the MMJ production industry in the county through large collectives that would enable the county to produce enough product for export, and become a state and national supplier of MMJ."

Can you please document that for me? I didn't hear the debate and am too busy to listen to it. That position would surprise me if true. Thanks in advance

George Rebane

PaulE 119am - I also was not there Thursday night. My information comes from an attendee who took notes. Upon rechecking, the statewide distribution of MMJ from NC was definitely stated, and the out-of-state distribution was implied in shipping to jurisdictions wherever MMJ consumption is legal.

But if that is not true, or was misstated at the forum, we should then hear from Ms P Smith or her designated hitter to set the record straight. I'll then appropriately update the post. Thanks for bringing it up.

A. Patriot

I did hear the debate and fear that is another of the Doc's "inferences". Something I feel he isn't very good at doing without prejudice. Also glaring is the want expand venues to..."and also commercial buildings in business and industrial parks." Not true. Measure S does not address these areas (they have their own land use regulations). Strange no analysis of the No claims, some of which were obviously spurious. Square One on enforcement? Sorry - not when the County can simply adopt the current mechanism. HARDLY square 1.

Walt

Really Paul? It's not rocket science that (and even you admitted it a while back) the goal is export across the county line. "S" has jack shit to do with "local" needs.
It's easier for kids to get a bag of weed than smokes. That's an undeniable fact.

How many pages in the S.F. News and Review would we find pot ads? So do tell why weed grown here would JUST HAS TO BE grown here and shipped to Lunatic City? Or anywhere else for that matter, if the motive isn't for huge profits?

Walt

"Smith said the indoor grows are only for maintaining the mother stock for specific plant strains. If the stock is not maintained, the specific strain is lost, she said."

What a load of BS!!! Some us may have been born at night,, but not last night.

Entire houses get converted into pot grows.

George Rebane

re APatriot's 755am - The FACT that S allows grows to be located in "commercial buildings in business and industrial parks" is not in dispute, and has been affirmatively answered every time they have been asked. I was present at two such forums when this came up, and those who read can verify it for themselves by reading the measure's text. That S permits such venues is not and never has been in debate, save by those who want to blow smoke. And yes, for the lightly schooled, when laws or ordinances do not explicitly forbid, then their silence on the matter is taken to mean that they permit. This has been well established in the courts for millennia. For openers on this, look no further than our Constitution which lays out the federal governments "enumerated powers", leaving all else to the states or the people.

The real question about S and commercial properties is why are the pro-S people trying hide that permission.

Walt

Gotta love the revisionism game here from the "S"toners.
How about that false advertisement about a fake ban?

Gregory

Please note I didn't call the billboard a lie... just an untruth. I use the definition of "lie" that requires the knowledge of the lack of veracity when it is told.

Some people just have the knack of being wrong most of the time. Now we have the knowledge that it's based on questionable interpretation of hearsay by the usual suspects' interpretation of something Diaz said.

Paul Emery

George

Once again you stated as fact that:

"3. Proponents of S admit that the measure’s purpose is also to expand the MMJ production industry in the county through large collectives that would enable the county to produce enough product for export, and become and state and national supplier of MMJ."

My beef is that you included "national" in your position outline and I seriously doubt that was said by anyone involved with the S campaign.

There is nothing "implied" in your post as to whether that position was taken you state it as fact. Irregardless of what response you receive from pro S'rs you should re-word your statement. Stating something as fact without verification does not enhance your position and causes doubt on other statements you may use in support.. It has very serious implications if believed as written.

George Rebane

PaulE 306pm - I think you'll have to hang on to your 'beef' for a bit longer. Since you're doing some pretty precise wordsmithing there, and no pro-S activist wants to contradict what was said/implied last Thursday, I'll maintain the wording with heavy emphasis on the "enable" part to produce and export MMJ.

Unless you can demonstrate that such excess MMJ may not be legally exported to other legitimate MMJ users living in out-of-state jurisdictions where MMJ consumption is legal, then the implication is fully in force - Measure S does nothing to prevent such exportation, but does "enable" the growth of sufficient product to provide that alternative to the growing collectives. See also my 916am.

Paul Emery

George

What exactly is wrong with grows in commercial buildings anyway as long as it's in conformity with State law?

George Rebane

PaulE 318pm - Gotta hang on to what I said, not what you think that I thought (there's that penetrating power of the progressives). There is nothing wrong with growing MJ in commercial buildings as long as it is in conformity with state law as further refined by local ordinances. Who knows, if properly configured and appropriately 'insulated', growing in commercial buildings might be the best place of all with regard to ag controls, security, and nuisance factors.

My #4 just highlighted an aspect of S that some anti-S people find to be a concern in Nevada County. I am not one of them, and can see a future amendment to 2349 that would make such indoor grows possible.

Paul Emery

George

Exporting out of state has nothing to do with Measure S. It is illegal and and a problem for law enforcement to solve based on existing laws. Saying measure S is wrong because some may violate existing laws is a flawed argument. Enforce the laws that currently exist by law enforcement and don't hide behind the skirt of code regulations to do the job of law enforcement. It's like you claim landuse regulations are doing the job of fulfilling the Agenda 21 goals. You're coming off the rails here my friend.

Paul Emery

George

Precisly what you said was that the "purpose" of Measure S was to expand product for export including out of state. You stand by that I assume.

George Rebane

PaulE 605pm - I take it that you are quoting authority here in stating that out-of-state shipping to legitimate MMJ users in permitting jurisdictions is illegal. If that indeed is true, then S not mentioning that kind of exporting is moot, and the inference will be corrected in my post. I gain nothing in making erroneous claims. Now, how can we verify that such inter-state exporting is indeed illegal by law? Where are the pro-S experts when we need them?

Steve Smith

Federal law still classifies marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance under the Controlled Substance Act, which means that simple possession of any amount is punishable by up to a year in jail and a minimum fine of $1,000 for a first conviction.

This becomes confusing. If I grow weed in Colorado, local authorities don’t mind, but the DEA can arrest me? Ultimately, one law will stand. The Constitution defines the powers of the Federal government, and according to the Tenth Amendment, if it’s not in the Constitution, it’s a state power. Nowhere in the Constitution is it written that the federal government can regulate marijuana. Additionally, states have traditionally held “police power”, or the right to regulate crime within their respective jurisdiction. Yet, there are federal laws that regulate marijuana, and under the Supremacy Clause, federal law supersedes state law.

If this power isn’t in the constitution, how does the federal government justify regulation?

Interesting question!

Sorry you can't figure this out......

George Rebane

SteveS 804pm - Yes, it is an item of consternation and sorrow. But foolish men can make laws and ask questions that no wise man can answer. Is this one of them, or do you have an answer?

Steve Smith

Make it a schedule 3 drug and be done with it......

Don Bessee

The growers had so many campaign finance reports failures to disclose the real source of funds that the county rejected their 460 report as our expert projected, it took to today to finish the other 3 letters. They confirmed our view that illegal committees are FUNNELING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE YES ON S propaganda machine. Today the County said "....you have certain filing obligations per the Fair Political Practices Commission. Please submit ALL of your relevant forms immediately." (emphasis added) The voters will never know the real source of all the green that's going up in smoke on newspaper, radio and so on. They do not want the VOTERS to know the truth during the election. They will likely do some more filings but do not care about the laws just as now. They have enough shark lawyers that they would have just expected the fines as a cost of doing business. So who is paying all the lawyers? If its pro bono it should be an in-kind report. How do you report a donation of 10 pounds of bud?

Patricia Smith

Sorry George, I've been a little busy to get to you blog until now! Paul is absolutely correct in his assertion that it is illegal to ship across state lines. We have never endorsed doing that. I do think the law is being interrupted incorrectly (as does Tom McClintock and others who read the constitution), but until it is changed, I do not support breaking the law. My objective is to keep patients and cultivators safe - not in jail.

The ban mentioned on the billboard is in reference to our existing county policy. Say what you want, but if you can't comply with a law, it is a ban. When the County removes the ridiculous restriction against growing on a hillside, I'll reconsider my position.

However, I want to state emphatically that it was NOT GREG DIAZ WHO TOLD ME THAT THE COUNTY WAS CONSIDERING A TOTAL CULTIVATION BAN. I GAVE MY WORD TO KEEP THIS SOURCE CONFIDENTIAL AND I WILL NOT BREAK MY PROMISE. (Sorry about the caps, unintentional, but appropriate)

George Rebane

PatriciaS 537pm - Thank you Pattie for that clarification. I will note that in the my post above. And I think everyone understands your narrow interpretation of the concept of "ban". Don't know what to do about the claim of SteveS in his 740pm about who told you what. Since you're not denying the content of the message, only keeping the source confidential, we'll have to go with Mr Smith's allegation. It would be good to hear something from Mr Diaz about this. But that man lays so low, I recommend that no one holds his breath for that clarification.

Don Bessee

What about the ban caused by the bus stop issue? Has that fallen by the wayside now that so many know there were only 4 bus stop issues mixed with other issues. Two of the bus stop issues were on parcels in the 10 to 20 acre zone. Can anyone tell us how with more than 10 acres you can not find a spot for you patch away from the kids? Oh, wait, its the hillside issue. As the DA reminded everyone again, get a permit before you clear cut a hillside and terrace it with no knowledge of how to do it properly. Remember I sat in the Alta Sierra Board meeting when the abusive growers on Annie claimed that 215 and their recommendation said they could do pretty much what every the hell they wanted. They were right back in the wild west of weed. Lets not go back there folks. Everyone needs to go back to the Board of Supervisors records of the April 2014 meeting that put measure S on the ballot (you know the one patties declaration in the latest growers law suit forgets to mention.) Look for a letter from Gabriella Bertolino, pg1 9th line up from the bottom. It has a cover letter from Pattie to the board secretary. Seems to be at odds with the Dr. Devlin Yes on S inserts in the Union where he has replaced that line with- "Her seizures stopped on day one with medical cannabis oil." More from growers fronts the ASA and Citizens for fair laws. Sounds just like the 'it was diaz who said ban, no wait I heard someone say someone heard so and so say it.

Steve O'Herilihy

Regarding the rumored new Hollywood show called "Grass Valley" about pot farming:

I think the upcoming show is a good fit and can be a modeled after the hit series “House of Cards” starring Kevin Spacey. I don’t know about the Brass Rail Saloon in North San Juan but brass knuckles are certainly on display this political season

Measure S has temporarily unveiled the deep culture war going on in our community. Partisans on both sides are passionate, and thus are operating closer to the surface of the murky waters.

On one side of the political isle you have Republican Women Federated operating through their main stream, hard-to-challenge proxies that include the likes of Sheriff Keith Royal, County Counsel, Board of Supervisors and almost certainly the Elections Dept. Add to this the RWF fringe proxies in the form of the State of Jefferson & Tea Party miscreants, and what you end up with is a toxic soup of authoritarian muscle flexing bare chested as their prevailing order is challenged from a most unusual quarter.

On the other side of the local political isle is the progressive element, as well as all those discerning individuals that can read the tea leaves that the war on pot was lost long ago (as prices for weed crashed due to prohibition not working). Moderates, liberals, and some thinking conservatives who respect the reality of the marketplace (or are sick of local tin-horn authoritarians touting virtues of restraint (but they get to call out what items to restrain)) will vote Yes on S to send a signal — at least as a protest. However, without enough of the right-wing recognizing how they are being played by current and retired public sector employees to fend off the end of prohibition, any revolt in the form of measure S passing seems doomed.

Should measure S go down, it will not be a proud moment for true conservatives who wish to limit government, respect free markets, and promote individual liberty. Don’t believe me however, just ask Sheriff Mack and / or Tom McClintock. Again, it is about listening to thinking conservatives — not the local public sector variant masquerading as such.

In summary, it looks like not enough of the local political right in Nevada County will recognize how they are being used by the very entities that they would normally seek to oppose.

So yes, plenty of drama but honestly the bully tactics of the local power structure are more along the cynical tactics used in the nation’s capital — hence the “House of Cards” analogy.

Patricia Smith

Don, the school bus stop issue has not gone away. I know that several of the citations were issued for nonexistent bus stops so that is several too many. Don't forget while you are researching the minutes of the BOS meetings to look up the part when Alison Barratt-Green accepted our proposal to INCREASE the setbacks from 600' to 1000' in exchange for removing the bus stops from the sensitive use areas. She agreed, increased the setbacks, but never removed the bus stops (which BTW are not part of CA State setbacks). Now if I thought this restriction would protect kids from harm, I would support it. However, it doesn't do anything to protect kids.

Let's look at this logically. First, the plants must be hidden from public view. Second, even if one could smell the plants, it is often difficult to determine exactly where the odor is coming from. Third, the buds are only viable for a few weeks of the year - certainly not year round. Fourth, to get to the marijuana, a child would have to trespass on private property. I hope we are teaching our children that this is not acceptable behavior and could be dangerous for a variety of reasons.

You say get a permit to terrace properly. Catch 22 is that you can't get a permit to terrace for marijuana, but you can for grapes. Ord #2349 is full of these poison pills that prevent ANYONE from being in compliance. If that is not a ban, please inform us of what a ban looks like. The fact is, you want a ban and that's why Ord #2349 works for you (and Law enforcement). Why not tell the truth for once and admit that you don't care about the pain and suffering of patients who rely on medical marijuana. And for the record, I did bring up the school bus stops at the debate with you and at the LWV forum.

One more thing, am I now responsible for everything that is said about Measure S? I do not even know Steve Smith (no relation) and I have NEVER stated that Greg Diaz told me about a pending ban. It would be very unlikely for him to tell me anything at this point.

George Rebane

PatriciaS 1021am - OK, I'll take your statements about Greg Diaz as a denial that he advised you about any future BoS regarding MMJ (even though your comment only attests to what you have "NEVER stated", and not what Diaz may or not have told you "about a pending ban"). Your contention then is with Mr Steve Smith, who may be someone's sock puppet.

Patricia Smith

George, let me clarify my statement: Greg Diaz DID NOT tell me that the County was considering a complete ban on marijuana cultivation. He was NOT my source. Is that clear enough? Sorry to say, Greg and I rarely speak these days.

For the record, I DO collect sock monkeys!

George Rebane

PatriciaS 443pm - OK, then may we further assume that no one told you that "the County was a considering a complete ban on marijuana cultivation."? That question kind of hangs out there begging to be answered, given that Diaz never told you and you never stated that he told you the county was considering such a ban.

Don Bessee

Pattie says "Greg and I rarely speak these days." Gee wonder why? You sued the people of Nevada county how many times now? No one should hold their breath for a frank answer from the Pot Profiteers Propaganda minister. So lets talk about the fulcrum of their propaganda campaign, little Scarlett Bertolino the poor child with health issues. In the Devlin ad the propaganda ministry has changed Gabriella Bertolino's text from the letter to the BOS, delivered under a coversheet from Pattie as ASA. In the ad the bull shit inserted in the moms text is " Her seizures stopped on day one with medical cannabis oil." says dr devlin. The text in the real letter at the same spot that was omitted is- "I began making organic MMJ oil and having it lab tested to give to her through her feeding tube. It has been a long year of trial and error, but we found our magic." They are even afraid to tell the truth from their supporters. The truth is so mundane and does not really make our point to the uninformed voter says the propaganda ministry hand book. So if they can not even tell the poor kids moms truth then how can anyone believe any pronouncement from the Propaganda Ministry?

Don Bessee

OH boy, what an interesting conversation at lefty jeffies liberal lament land. Lefty jeffy is arguing with pattie the propaganda minister. If the pot profiteers propaganda minister pattie keeps slamming diaz she will be persona non grata in lefty jeffies liberal lament land. Its under the union flubs... tab. What I loved was that he told her that "I am afraid a lot of people are going to hold their nose and vote just like Geroge Rebane and Don Bessee will." What a crack up he is telling the truth of exactly what a lot of home owners will have to do on their way to vote since you hardly drive anywhere and not be 'assaulted' as the people with allergies say.

Steve O'Herilihy

Hi Don: I saw your friend Lee French from Alta Sierra at the Tea Party meeting tonight.
Why did you miss the meeting?

Anyway, Sheriff Keith Royal gave the Tea Party a little fireside chat tonight at their monthly meeting. The turn out was low, and so was were the collective energy levels.

The Sheriff was not that political tonight in his wandering speech except for him going on a bit about liberal judges. His wife is Anna Fergusons campaign manager I hear. She is going to lose, by the way.

Anyway his head cheerleader did not look too happy when Patricia Smith swept into the room to be greeted warmly by the speaker himself. That was pretty cool of Keith. He is good in public.

Patti had just a few questions — one was to ask if the Sheriff’s department would get little cameras to wear — just like Grass Valley PD is getting. Keith responded that it was sort of heading that way but gave no time line.

Basically, nobody had any particularly astute, perceptive or insightful questions for Mr. Hollywood Sheriff. Certainly none to do with the mission statement of the Tea Party itself which is strange since the Sheriff’s policies fly completely in the face of every single one of them — limited government, individual liberty and free markets! Go figure.

But Tea Party rank and file may be none to bright in connecting the dots or possibly just bored though polite to the Sheriff. Anyway, I was relieved there was no fireworks and that everybody got along at least while the Sheriff was speaking.

Only about 30 people were there — the regulars. That seems like a good sign

Yawn.

Patricia Smith

Bessee, you are some piece of work. Now you are attacking a 5-year old child with catastrophic epilepsy? What I said was her seizures stopped on day one ONCE THEY GOT THE FORMULA RIGHT. The only time she has seizures now is when her parents run out of medicine. Marijuana was the only thing that stopped her seizures after all the horrors Western medicine inflicted on her, so what exactly is your point?

It's really fascinating how many people who are staunchly opposed to Measure S call me when they or a loved one gets sick - including a BOS member and a conservative political leader. Somehow marijuana doesn't seems so threatening when they need it. What if it were your wife who was suffering from seizures? Would you have a different attitude?

George, this is for you: How can you make a leap from Greg Diaz was not my source to "may we further assume that no one told you that the County was a considering a complete ban on marijuana cultivation?" Yes, someone did tell me that in confidence, but I'm not revealing my source (and it doesn't necessarily mean the County will follow through with it, but I wouldn't bet the farm on that possibility). Let's just watch and see how this plays out. And like I've stated many times, we already have a de facto ban with the County's overly restrictive ordinance. Let's pass Measure S so there is a legal framework for legitimate patients to grow their medicine and let Sheriff Royal take care of those who won't follow the rules.

George Rebane

PatriciaS 936am - Pattie, my 543pm was no "leap" but simply pointing out the appropriate question to highlight the remaining omission in your 443pm. I think you would agree that it is important to know whether the BoS has any secretive plans cooking to ban MMJ use in the future. That you were told that in confidence, and that you give at least some credence to that report resolves the issue here. Mr Diaz, an elected official, was brought into this message passing story by someone else, and yes, it is important for voters to know if it was he who selectively reports on county plans to certain citizens and not others.

But you are an honorable woman and have put that contingency behind us. So please keep your confidences, but do let us know how such fears enter your arguments in support of Measure S, because their validation is of interest to the rest of us only to the extent that you claim that as the raison d'etre for the initiative. And, as always, thanks for the open dialogue.

Don Bessee

No pattie, read what I said. I am ATTACKING YOUR CRASS AND CRAVEN MANIPULATION OF THE POOR KIDS STORY. I AM ATTACKING YOUR LIES IN THE DEVLIN AD. Your ends justifies the means tactics are just using this family. You personally put the moms letter into evidence at the BOS hearing and then pretend to quote it in the ad, it has quotes does it not? Yet you knew the truth was not so dramatic so you lied with ' Her seizures stopped on day one with medical cannabis oil." The actual line from the moms letter at that spot is " I began making organic MMJ oil and having it lab tested to give to her through her feeding tube. It has been a long year of trial and error, but we found our magic." A world of difference between the two line. Then there is the real kicker of this story, THEY LIVE IN RENO AND DID IN 2013 AND 2014 AND ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE IN NEVADA COUNTY. MEASURE S DOES NOT EVEN APPLY TO THEM! You had to go out of state to find the right sob story to exploit. So I guess you do favor exporting out of state after all. THE MOMS EPILEPSY FOUNDATION PROFILE PAGE SHOWS GABRIELLA BERTOLINO AS FEMALE,RENO NV,USA. In addition there is a oct 2013 ch 2tv news segment on 4 year old Scarlett Bertolino getting a hot tub from the make a wish foundation. Headline reads "A YOUNG RENO GIRLS WISH IS GRANTED SUNDAY." (written by Adam Varahachaiol) There is a history of Reno address and none whatsoever of any Truckee residency. That's a 5 Pinocchio's size lie folks. Everyone please note that pattie does not respond to the uncomfortable facts but deflects from them by crying victimhood as usual, 'now your attacking a 5 year old child with catastrophic epilepsy.' No pattie we are on to you and trying to kill the messenger with a tired old guilt trip has been seen from you guys for too long by too many people.

Patricia Smith

You are unbelievable. Scarlett has dual residency as all of her medical treatments have taken place in California (mainly at UCSF) and she has a CA doctor's recommendation to use MMJ as well as one in Nevada. (You don;t have to own a house to have residency) Relating the details of her condition is not exploitation - it is simply telling a story of a miraculous recovery made possible by cannabis which was the only thing that worked to control her 300 seizures a week.

Her mother wants to help spread the word of her recovery to help other families in this situation. These families come to MMJ therapy out of desperation. Why are you so bent on plunging these patients back into the world of Western medicine that has utterly failed to help??

It seems the fact that cannabis works is uncomfortable for you so you are trying to change the story. BTW, we do have children in NC that are benefitting from cannabis but their parents want to keep their identity private precisely because of mean-spiritred people like you.

I knew you were capable of fighting in the gutter, but you have taken dirty politics to a new level. Using a child to score points is contemptible even for you.

Patricia Smith

George 10:00AM, Thank you for understanding the necessity of keeping my source confidential. Honoring one's word is very important to me.

There is a real possibility that the BoS will enact a total ban on cultivation which should be good news to the opposition crowd. But whether they take that drastic of a step or not, the fact remains that we have a de facto ban now - which is something none of you will acknowledge. You keep talking around that point without addressing the fact that every garden is subject to eradication under the county's ordinance - and it was purposefully designed to allow the Sheriff the ability to abate gardens that were in full compliance with State law.

Measure S ISN'T for the "pot profiteers." In fact they are against our measure because it gives them a larger market share as more legitimate medical gardens are forced out of existence. If you are really against profiteers, you are siding with the wrong policy.

Obviously, I can't speak for every cultivator in NC, but I can speak for the group that belongs to our collective who grow and donate most of their medicine at no cost. You can't blame them from getting reimbursed for their time and expenses if they do it legally. Furthermore, we don't give out smokable product so folks that are looking to get high don't use our services. We supply patients in need with tinctures, capsules, salves, or fresh juice at no charge as long as our supply lasts. We are spearheading the project to make CBD readily available which does not get you high but does have great medical applications. I know this is hard for some of you to accept because you only want to see the negative issues that come from illegal operations.

If Measure S passes, Sheriff Royal will have all the tools he needs to go after the illegal commercial cultivators, but legitimate patients will have the opportunity to grow their medicine in peace. And remember, Measure S restricts every patient to 6 plants - no more 99 plant scripts!

Don Bessee

Well pattie you submitted a letter to the BOS that said they lived in Truckee and that's a lie. Dual residency? That's a novel legal notion. The rest of the world recognizes street address and voting registration. In this case the child has the parents legal residence and its not Nevada County and 2349 has nothing to do with them. I am not changing the story just pointing out your manipulation of the mothers actual words in the letter on record. Just the facts mam' There is dual citizenship on a national level but no such thing as dual residency with regard to states. Call your friend greg diaz and he can explain the concept to you. Measure S is just a list of recommendations that no one will listen to anymore than they listen to the organic growing bull shit you guys peddle. No one cares if weed is used by sick people. It the other 85% that is commercial that's the problem so stop you absurd posturing as a victim. The street price of weed went down since 2349 went into effect and that means there is more weed than ever. Your claims to a shortage is not supported by the facts on the ground. Stop ducking the issue, you lie in the ads and put words in the mothers mouth to create a more dramatic story madam propaganda minister. No one is saying anything about the kid or family, just about your slimy exploitation of an out of state resident who has nothing to do with Nevada County.

Patricia Smith

Wrong again Don. Check the law and you will find that it is perfectly legal to have dual residency. It doesn't mean they can vote here, but that is not the point. The point is Measure S helps patients just like Scarlett and that is why it is so important that patients have the ability to grow their medicine or get it from a Collective.

Scarlett was in a coma in a hospital for a year and her mother stayed with her most of the time. They have spent more time here than they have in Nevada because we have the facilities that she needed at the time. She has all of her recommendations. I am very close with Scarlett's mom and she supports our cause. We are united in educating the public to this alternative medical option that has helped so many people. You are the one that has a problem with it. If you really believe that "no one cares if sick people use weed," then stop trying to make it hard to impossible for them to get it lo safely. Everything you advocate only makes it easier for the black market growers to operate.

I suppose next you'll say I'm exploiting Veterans because PTSD is helped with medical marijuana? Or elders who find that it helps with aging diseases like arthritis, glaucoma, cancer and even Alzheimer's disease? Prop 215 is about medical, Ordinance 2349 is about medical, and Measure S is about medical. Will there be people who exploit the law? Of course, they are already doing it. That's who the Sheriff should be going after rather than perceived nuisances. If Measure S passes (and I think it will), the Sheriff will have the time and resources to go after the very people you say are against.

Walt

A little info on "dual residency".
http://www.bakertilly.com/Dual-State-Residency-Can-Result-In-Dual-Taxation

It usually only applies to students and active military.
Good luck making the case for MMJ.

Patricia Smith

It's already been heard in court and upheld.

A. Patriot

I wondered how Donny figured voter's residency applied to a child that can't vote. Kid probably doesn't pay a lot of taxes either. Childish attempts to deflect attention from the real issues on the Ballot. Nothing more. Move along.

Patricia Smith

I am so glad to know that Republicans support Medical marijuana patients' rights - at least in theory. I don't know how many times I have to state the obvious, but patients cannot grow their medicine under Ord 2349. It's not just the hillside issue or the abandoned bus stops, it's the square foot restrictions that count the ground space between the plants and that ANYONE can file a complaint and there is no recourse to establish that a "nuisance" exists to anyone but them. They don't even have to live in the County to file a complaint.

Don Bessee is the spokesman for Republicans and mans their campaign headquarters. Now he is attacking young Scarlett over what? Is he maintaining that she wasn't helped by medical marijuana? No, he is quibbling over HOW SOON it worked! I hope to God that none of you ever are in the situation of Scarlett's parents, but if you find yourselves in similar straights, I pray that you have the opportunity to find a reliable resource for only the medicine that will actually help (before the brain surgery, the pharmaceuticals, or being place in a coma). Or you can call me.

Steve O'Herilihy

GEORGE ORWELL IS ALIVE AND WELL IN NEVADA COUNTY
The ironic thing that can’t be conveyed effectively to the retirees living behind the gated communities is that the law enforcement lobby OWNS all the violence associated with their efforts to prolong prohibition.

Just as the youthful Libertarians from Colorado pointed out when winning the fight against prohibition, wheen was the last time you saw a Budweiser truck shooting it out with a Miller truck?

It is the prohibition (so backed by law enforcement) that is responsible for endangering the retirees that are getting their fear-jolt through headline manipulation.

Dangerous “trimmigrants” as featured in the Union this morning will not go away as long as the law enforcement lobby insists on prohibition. Voting Yes on S would send the message that we are not buying this BS from public sector / public “safety” employees anymore.

Prohibition breeds disrespect for law. That is what is so ironic. It is the self-interested law enforcement lobby that is placing us in harm’s way for their own gain and relevance. In the long run, however, it undermines their own authority and credibility -- such as when they stoop to election tampering which they have done twice now.

A. Patriot

Donny B. seems awfully quiet on the facts of the recently posted ASPOA poll on Measure S - only 136 members responded. Yep, that's SO VERY representative of the thousands living there. No wonder he didn't want to reveal the raw numbers. More than 10,000 registered voters placed Measure S on the Ballot.

Also very quiet on the latest FPPC complaints filed this week by ASA. I guess what is good for the goose is good for the gander. We may have to decide which is worse, some late forms or elected officials illegally using their position and public funds/resources trying to derail the Initiative Process. If the charges are found to have merit, shouldn't there be harsh punishments for betraying the public trust? Shouldn't we hold our elected officials to a higher standard?

Todd Juvinall

I just heard the Sheriff's radio ad against this proposal. It was very powerful and logical. If people listen to Keith, it will sink this Measure.

A. Patriot

I haven't heard it, but I've found most propaganda to be both powerful and logical, but often based on ulterior, and sometimes nefarious, motives.

I'm sure the Sheriff has plenty of public and personal motivations to oppose S and see "his" Ordinance replaced. I can only trust none are nefarious.

My vote is based on reading the details of the existing ordinance and the proposed Measure replacing it. Neither is perfect. Only one addresses and attempts to fulfill the needs of the patients. The other is simply unrealistic in my view. I Support Measure S, but I'll certainly give the Royal Ad a listen before I cast my vote.

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