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14 October 2014

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RL Crabb

I thought Stephan Colbert's take on the new press secretary was spot on. His name means, literally, "just kidding, but seriously..."

George Rebane

RLCrabb 612pm - Very funny Bob. Can you render that interpretation graphically? ;-)

Ben Emery

Ouch, that must bruise the ego.

Pentagon Signals Security Risks of Climate Change
By CORAL DAVENPORTOCT. 13, 2014


WASHINGTON — The Pentagon on Monday released a report asserting decisively that climate change poses an immediate threat to national security, with increased risks from terrorism, infectious disease, global poverty and food shortages. It also predicted rising demand for military disaster responses as extreme weather creates more global humanitarian crises.

For the rest of the article go to;
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html?_r=0

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery, Obama is the BOSS and the Generals do his bidding. I thought you knew that.

Bill tozer

Well, Brother Ben, I have no doubt that climate change will bring food shortages to our own Midwest breadbasket with a shorter growing season. Assuming what you say is true, then we must immediately prepare and build up our military to new heights unimagined before, ASAP. Time is of the essence.

Bill tozer

And, my Brother Ben, of course we will have more global poverty and hunger. The world's population continues to explore with all kinds of folks humping like minks and breeding like rabbits. Sure, some farmers are trying to do their best to solve this impending doom, but each time they try to clear some new farmland in a rainforest, they meet stiff opposition from folks thousands of miles away in New York City and our own Sanctuary by the Bay. Our US companies ( such as Monsanto for example) with their thousands of researchers have some great ideas and expertise on how to feed the world, but they also meet stiff resistance by the same crowd thousands of miles for those actually starving to death. Those New York Limo Liberals and those tree hugging dirt worshipers on the Left Coast should be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity.

Account Deleted

"poses an immediate threat to national security, with increased risks from terrorism, infectious disease, global poverty and food shortages."
Wow - we've never had any of that before - ever!
I thought we were supposed to stay out of other countries' business?
Another deeply held left wing tenet of truth that lasted for 2 or 3 nano seconds.
"It also predicted rising demand for military disaster responses as extreme weather creates more global humanitarian crises."
As opposed to what? Krakatoa, Mt Vesuvius? Note that it didn't say 'increased extreme weather'. We've always had extreme weather. We just have one heck of a lot more folks to bail out and a more tightly bound world view based on instant communications. It used to be that whole countries were wiped out an we didn't know anything about it for years. Now it all happens in real time. Of course if the disaster is man made - such as ISIS slaughtering children, we revert to the left's newest deeply held tenet of truth that we should stay out of other countries' business. Innocent children in peril only count when we want it to. It's all relative, don't you know.
The whole report smacks of a bunch of top brass freaking out about their budget getting cut and they need to suck up to the ruling party to justify getting their moolah back.

Walt

Since the current subject is lies of D.C. , from "O"'s own "Baghdad Bob" to AGW, the newest revelation has hit the front pages. Recall those WMDs the LIBS still claim to uh,,"never exist"? Welcome to the newest coverup.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

But never mind all the tonnage that got shipped to Syria ( You know,, the stuff that Russia is "helping" releave Syria of.)

As for MORE BS from "O" and Co. about just how great the "not war" is going, ( air strikes)
ISIS is taking more territory by the day. Baghdad is now within artillery range.
( funny, tanks and artillery don't seem to be on "O"'s target list. Just a flag on a hill, and some beat up pick up trucks.) A 50 thousand dollar missile to destroy a refugee from " cash for clunkers". Don't forget, "O" is personally making the approved target list.

And on the home front, I do recall "O" stating Ebola would never get here. Now the Repubs and even the NRA are to blame for it setting foot on U.S. soil.
Don't believe me? Ask a LIB...

George Rebane

OK gentlemen, fine comments all, but I have yet to hear anyone sign in on the illustrious achievements of SecState Kerry - gimme some feedback (puhleeze!).

Bill tozer

Kerry? Isn't he the dude that looks so stunning when windsurfing? Don't know much about house husbands of the 1%, so somebody please threw Dr. Rebane a bone...he is now begging which is rather uncharacteristic of our Webmaster and friend.
Sorry Dr. Rebane, but I am going through a transitional phrase since I took the old XP to the county transfer station, been close to 2 years without the boob tube, and I hate surfing on this I-pad the evil corporation issued me a few months ago. Plus, I have not bothered to register to vote (blasphemy) for the first time since I voted for the Peanut Farmer from Georgia against All American Football Player Gerald Ford. And I feel like doing the Howard Hughes thing and let my fingernail grow real long and tune out.
Can't help you with any perspective about the fine job Kerry is doing since Hillary bonked her head.....except to say that John Kerry must be busier than a one legged man fighting a forest fire with a fire extinguisher. Thank you for your patience and long suffering with me during this transitional period.

Ok, somebody pleeeeeaszzzzzze help the good doctor out. Does Kerry have Putin shaking in his black belt outfit yet? Help the Doc out and tell us one major or minor accomplishment Kerry was done since taking over after the Ambassador Stevens tragedy. Someone, anyone.....I gotta get ready for my nappy-pooh.

fish

Ouch, that must bruise the ego

I'll say!

Almost as much as this!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-Bay-Guardian-shuts-down-5822025.php

Russ Steele

I stopped listening to John "Lurch" Kerry when he claimed the worlds biggest challenge is climate change, when climate change has paused for the last 18 years.

Yes climate change is the "biggest challenge we face right now," so said Kerry – and then he boarded his government 757 jet and flew off to his next destination.

CFACT reported that, in Africa, Kerry told leaders that they should stop creating new farms because "certain agricultural processes can actually release carbon pollution."

Brilliant – telling the starving in Africa to stop trying so hard to feed themselves because they might affect the climate.

This is how an elitist liberal from Boston views the world.

Russ Steele

Where is Paul Emory with his Bush Derangement Syndrome now?

New York Times: CHEMICAL WEAPONS FOUND BY AMERICAN FORCES IN IRAQ

Between 2004 and 2010, American forces in Iraq encountered thousands of
chemical munitions. In several cases, troops were exposed to chemical agents.

Account Deleted

According to her supporters, our last distinguished Sec of State covered herself in glory due to all the miles she travelled. Can't remember the total, but Kerry just hasn't gotten there yet. Give him time. How's that effort against ISIS going? I forget - are we supplying them with air cover or ??? How's the joint forces thing going? Turkey on board yet? Has Kerry found any lines in the sand?
Sad to hear about the Guardian. They and the Berkeley Barb were favs of mine back in the day.

Joe Koyote

Russ 7:09 -- Your report is leaving out one critical piece of information. The chemical weapons that were found were old discarded weapons from the war with Iran and not part of Bush's WMD assertion. In fact, the discovery of those chemicals proves that Saddam destroyed his arsenal well prior to the American invasion.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0

Walt

Nice try Joe.. No such thing as "old and discarded" chemical weapons. Those were hid in attempt, and on propose hoping never to be found. Iraq even buried aircraft ( fighter jets)
in hopes to recover them one day.
Now try a better piss poor excuse. Even if an unfinished nuke was uncovered the Bush hating LIBS would still say " Naaa,, nothing to see here,,,"
I guess the Yellow cake uranium that was discovered a LONG time ago was for peaceful use.
No danger there either.

How bout that Ebola Joe? Another new case today! Nope,, It's not a danger to us according to "O" and Co. Nope,, can't stop air travel from where it comes from. It's already here.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 15 October 2014 at 09:41 AM


Sorry boys I've got to side with Joe on this one....I imagine that Saddams chemical munition troops were probably as piss poor at inventory control as the rest of his army was on the battlefield. I imagine if I started rummaging around the backyard where I work I could find a number of things that would be in violation of some treaty, agreement between governments, or internal directive.

I'm kind of surprised they didn't find more!

Keen Observer

Wow, even I was amazed. 53 Fundraising events this year thus far from our Supreme Chancellor. Imagine how many gallons of jet fuel to get to all these parties, all of which being burnt had no effect on "climate change." Between acquiring funds and golf, I can't help but wonder how much "free" time is left over to actually solve some of the problems haunting our great nation. No need to worry though, plenty of appointed henchmen and henchwomen to do the heavy lifting.

But don't take it from me, take it form Jon Stewart (arguably one of the most liberal politically-based comedians of our time).

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/10/14/video-jon-stewart-exposes-democrat-hypocrisy-on-dark-money-in-politics-and-its-hilarious/

Those damn Koch Brothers and their political money! Praise be to the Democratic party for maintaining a straight line in financing the party, through accepting funds from regular grassroots donors, like the enlightening Gwyneth Paltrow. Yep, Hope and Change!

fish

OK gentlemen, fine comments all, but I have yet to hear anyone sign in on the illustrious achievements of SecState Kerry - gimme some feedback (puhleeze!).

Illustrious achievements? I always thought that John Kerry was picked to be Sec State so as to make Joe Biden look less.....uh.....less Joe Biden like.

George Rebane

Re Saddam's WMD. We should recall that -
1. Pre-2003 Saddam regularly bragged of having lots of chemical WMDs.
2. He used nerve gas from his stockpile on his own people.
3. Our invasion was not a surprise, and we have tons of photographs of truck convoys headed to Syria before the invasion, which at the time were thought to be Saddam sending them to Assad for safe keeping.
4. Assad, who never before 2003 claimed WMD, suddenly had enough to use against his own people and declare a considerable stockpile for the UN inspectors.
5. That some dregs continue to be found in Iraq is not a surprise, because cleaning up large supplies dispersed across the country is hard; some things are bound to be left behind, especially if they were not carefully stored and inventoried. But finding these old chemical weapons at various places does confirm that a large stash existed in the country before 2003 just as Saddam bragged and then demonstrated.

None of this analysis will appear in the lamestream.

RL Crabb

As far as the accomplishments of Secretary John Kerry, I'd say he ranks right up there with Condolezza Rice.

fish

Truly the most open and Transparent™ administration in our nations history!

Bergdahl 'deserter' investigation complete...

Results on hold until AFTER election...


Why do I think the progressive Obama administration would desperately like to hold the upcoming election.....after the election?

Walt

To me the " no WMD" deniers are in the same clan as the AGW true believers. ( gotta believe in somthin' I guess,,) Is your pond drying up Fish??? This rain might help with the oxygen
level. Your not thinking to clear (on this particular subject)
Seems the rain has helped judging by your last post. ( I was about to get the frying pan out.) It's not just that news that's being withheld till "after the election". Amnesty? And a whole lot of other juicy info. Got to protect any DEM at any cost. THEN screw over the people.
At least F&F will be published JUST before. Now that should be good.

Keen Observer

Fish,

It doesn't matter. The media will have no problem sugarcoating the turd of the report, assuming the paper report even has the gonads to shed some light on the actual travesties of the deal. In the meantime, I will fervently enjoy the financial relief that comes from purchasing artificially low priced "election year gasoline," and relish the fact that Nevada County's largest election question deals specifically with the growing of medical marijuana.

The current WH Administration is redolent of the Dodgers; the payroll figures and expenditures fall into record categories, yet the results from such financial robustness are mediocre at best, even to the most "purple" of ostriches with his head firmly planted into areas of the earth below the crust.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 15 October 2014 at 11:09 AM

WHAT? You didn't find my comment about Lurch Kerry both pithy and insightfull??

fish

Ooooh....three trillion and still running an account deficit! My the progressive administrations are very bit as profligate as the repukes they rail against!


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/15/feds-tax-take-hits-all-time-high/

Walt

OK,, ya' got me there Fish. Lurch is sure having some "private time" with Thing.
I think Thing miss's Bill Clinton and his cigar box ( Thing's home) Thing got demoted
and got transferred, and had to work for John Kerry. But such is the way in government life. Thing really has it rough since he's a Righty, and now only gets the work that's below the belt. Maybe that's why John never smiles anymore.

Walt

In other news,, right out of the LIB playbook. Republican candidate for Congress – Carl DeMaio – is facing his own salacious accusations that have scrambled the race in its closing days.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/15/gop-brass-stand-by-house-candidate-demaio-in-wake-sexual-harassment-claims/

Now if this guy was a LIB, Lefty money would pour in and he would be a God of Liberalism.

He must be leading in the polls for LIBS to throw the "perv" card. Yet expected.
Funny how Sen. Menendez had the wagons circled, and the hookers "mysteriously" said they lied. ( paid off??) Yup,, LIBS are ones to talk and point fingers.

Walt

This isn't good for the gun grabbing Left! " Two Dems. had dinner one night,,,,"
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/two-state-lawmakers-exchange-gunfire-with-would-be-robber/

fish

Posted by: Walt | 15 October 2014 at 12:52 PM

I admit to being a little disappointed that the photos of the three "yoots"...."onher stoodintz" I'm sure, weren't taken in the morgue.

Gregory

Looks like "Aviation Leak" scooped Pelline on this one; the famed Lockheed Skunk Works think they are 5 prototype turns and five years from a commercially viable 100MW fusion reactor that could be transported by a truck.

http://aviationweek.com/technology/skunk-works-reveals-compact-fusion-reactor-details

If they pull it off this is a major disruptive technology akin to Watt's steam engine; I would not want to be in the photovoltaic business or heavily invested in oil if and when that hits the fan. Think fusion electric trains, ships and in a distributed power grid.

Of course as always, the devil is in the details.

fish

Of course as always, the devil is in the details.

Fusion the power source of the future...now and always. ;-)

George Rebane

Gregory 222pm - good pick up. RussS and I have been going around on this in emails since he saw it in -
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/191754-cold-fusion-reactor-verified-by-third-party-researchers-seems-to-have-1-million-times-the-energy-density-of-gasoline

Given its unclassified nature and the length of time this project has been ongoing, I wondered why no one in the media has picked up on it, and at least done a 'what if it's true?' piece on it. And the academic community has been equally silent of a subject that every physicist of note would want to weigh in on. Thoughts?

Walt

A bit over my head in the math dept. but some words did stick out. " Not really sure"
"Can't really call it C.F."..
I say it's stolen alien, reverse engineered tech. Now wait for "someone" to come reclaim their "property".. We are too uncivilized to be worthy of such power devices.

Ben Emery

I will just address the first two points and see what happens.

Re Saddam's WMD. We should recall that -
1. Pre-2003 Saddam regularly bragged of having lots of chemical WMDs.

A- Both weapons inspectors Scott Ritter and Hans Blix stated Iraq didn't have WMD's program or capabilities.

B- Dick Cheney plus many key advisers and cabinet posts in George W Bush administrations were filled with Project for a New American Century signatories who has been advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein/ Iraqi government since its inception(Jeb Bush is member of PNAC). Maybe with their zeal they were blind to any intelligence that said otherwise. Actually many within the CIA said Dick Cheney was literally using his office to intimidate those within for evidence that supported PNAC mission. Valerie Plame outing and Joe Wison case is very much involved with this intimidation by Cheney.

C- Bush administration said they knew were the weapons were because they had proof.

September 16, 2002 - Iraq agrees unconditionally to the return of inspectors.

September 19, 2002 - Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri delivers a letter to the U.N. from Saddam Hussein stating that Iraq has no chemical, nuclear or biological weapons.

October 1, 2002 - The U.N. and Iraq agree on terms they say are consistent with existing U.N. resolutions. The U.S. threatens to veto unless a U.S. resolution is approved that would allow military action for non-compliance by Iraq.

November 13, 2002 - Iraq delivers a letter to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, accepting the terms set forth in resolution 1441.

November 27, 2002 - Inspections resume in Iraq.

December 7, 2002 - Iraq submits a 12,000 page report on its WMD programs.

January 20, 2003 - After two days of negotiation, Hans Blix, Mohamed ElBaradei, and Iraqi officials reach an agreement about Iraqi cooperation and concessions regarding the inspections.

March 18, 2003 - Inspectors withdraw from Iraq.
(DUE TO THE IMMINENT INVASION BY USA)B.Emery

March 20, 2003 - (local time) U.S. and coalition forces begin military action against Iraq.

October 2, 2003 - David Kay, who heads the U.S. search, reports to intelligence committees for both the House and Senate that the Iraq Survey Group has found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Kay says he will need six to nine months to conclude his work.

January 28, 2004 - After retiring earlier in the month, David Kay tells the Senate Armed Services Committee that there should be an independent investigation into the flawed intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons capability.

October 6, 2004 - The final Iraq Survey Group report is released. The report concludes that Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction.

December 2005 - U.S. inspectors end their search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

2. He used nerve gas from his stockpile on his own people.

A- With the US permission and help. As you will find out or you already know and just don't want to admit it, I am not sure. The US 100% knew about the chemical warfare and in fact aided in it all throughout the 80's with your hero Ronald Reagan administration. The Reagan administration removed Saddam Hussein from the terror list so we could start supporting with weapons and intelligence. At the same time the Reagan administration was illegally dealing weapons to Iran and then laundering the money through drug lords to illegally fund a war US Congress voted against.

The Reagan administration was the worst and most criminal administrations of the 20th Century hands down. All during that time the Reagan administration was aiding Osama bin Laden and what eventually evolved into the Taliban as well as al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Here is a declassified report on the US involvement with Iraqi Chemical Warfare of the 1980's. There is another report linking Saddam's chemical weapons to the US along with their delivery systems. That report has been scrubbed from the internet but this other one I just found today is just as damning and actually more damning in the context of your argument.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran

On a side note the George H.W. Bush administration gave the ok to Saddam for going into Kuwait and were great admirers and friends with Saddam even after he gassed the his own people, what do you have to say about that?

Here is the transcript to the meeting with HW Bush Ambassador Glaspie.

July 25, 1990 – Presidential Palace – Baghdad

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie – I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship – not confrontation – regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait’s borders?

Saddam Hussein - As you know, for years now I have made every effort to reach a settlement on our dispute with Kuwait. There is to be a meeting in two days; I am prepared to give negotiations only this one more brief chance. (pause) When we (the Iraqis) meet (with the Kuwaitis) and we see there is hope, then nothing will happen. But if we are unable to find a solution, then it will be natural that Iraq will not accept death.

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie – What solutions would be acceptable?

Saddam Hussein - If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab – our strategic goal in our war with Iran – we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (i.e., in Saddam s view, including Kuwait ) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States’ opinion on this?

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie – We have no opinion on your Arab – Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960′s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America. (Saddam smiles)

Russ Steele

If the cold fusion reactor is in fact a reality, then all the lefty funded and supported solar and wind farms are just scrap metal waiting to be processed at the scrap yard. This is not good PR for the global warmers, thus is not reported on by the lame stream press, which are on retainer to defend the Progressives, some times called Democrats.

Walt

Speaking of lame stream media, The layoffs are COMING.. Yet CNN has found religion and has hired a "token" Conservative, to try and save their bacon. Mike Rowe. Mr. Blue collar..
He who has no problem getting "dirty". Hell! He took the job! And he made damned sure he going to get the big bucks. ( yet a good portion will go to his scholarship programs I believe.) Yet others at Communist News Network are getting the axe, ( place head here...)
Be it the no name underlings and not to talking heads who make millions a year. So much for pushing that LIB BS of "spread the wealth".
HLN is doing the same. Nancy Grace may come off the rails come Fri. I just might tune in just to see her head explode.
Last one out the door at MSNBC,,, get the lights.....
Next stop Congress to ask for a bailout, or demand FOX get broken up to "make things fair".
LIB news is in DEEP trouble. Even LIBS have abandoned the collective liars.
Being the mouthpiece for "O" and Co. has come back to bite.

Walt

Sorry,, THIS just turned up. " yup we backed the wrong guy!"
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/morning-joe-on-mitt-romney-we-kind-of-made-a-mistake-four-years-ago-video/

Todd Juvinall

Walt, I watched your link. What a hoot! They (MSNBC) like Romney now. Oh well.

fish

The Reagan administration was the worst and most criminal administrations of the 20th Century hands down.


UR funny! And I say that as someone not particularly enamored of Reagan.

(Not necessary to respond.....I know that you're still miffed that I insulted your faith)

RL Crabb

Back in 2008, Rev./Gov. Mike Huckleberry said he was running a campaign to unite people, not demonize them. I guess in the ensuing years he's had to 'fess up that he never meant what he said... http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/14/mike-huckabee-social-conservatism-and-hy
I believe the writer brings up some issues that are dividing the Republican party, especially in light of the Pope's recent utterances. Just wonderin' if y'all conservatarians had any thoughts on the subject.

Don Bessee

Fish 606- It feels very much like the waning days of the peanut farmer, Iran screwing us, Russians on the march, Europe in instant indecision mode, an Asian economic competitor, military shrinkage in the face of growing threats, dilatants running the show. Could this repeat of the cycle of history be the confluence of events that pushes another Reagan into action to save the Country? Let's pray it is!

Todd Juvinall

Since we saw a Obama flip flop lie on the homosexual marriage issue, who gives a shit. The country is now run by unelected judges and the people's votes don't mean crap. Just wait until the judges rule on the legality of sodomy. Oops, they did. It is just fine with them. Huckabee is a fine man but I don't think he would make a good Prez.

Walt

OK RL,,, Any one of the "Right" that was running for Prez. would have been a far cry better than the piece of work we have now. "O" has been more divisive that what Huckabee ever could be.
And I on't think any Repub would shred the Constitution like "O" has.
Whatever this admin says,, count on the opposite to be true.
It doesn't look like many LIBS are going to get elected this time around... Care to fathom why?
How bout those two LIBS who used guns to defend themselves? The true Lefties will not be happy about that. ( yet the same do their best to restrict John Q. Public from doing the same.) But it seems the one that fired the shots needs more time at the range. He missed the thug at close range.

Walt

Famous quotes... You guess who
1. ObamaCare will cost less than 1 Trillion Dollars.
2. No one making under $250,000 will see their taxes raised one dime - period!
3. ObamaCare will not be offered to illegal immigrants.
4. Premiums will be lowered by $2500 bucks!
5. You can keep your family doctor - period!
7. You can keep your current healthcare plain - period!
8. Nobody is taking anything away from you - period!
9. I did not say you could keep your health care.
10. I am sorry you lost your healthcare that you people blame me for saying I said you could keep which I never said, but anyway, sorry ok? Look, just shop around.

Now that the people have been bit in the ass,, they are going to take it out on those that passed the law. ( remember "deem and pass"? and LIBS own it.)

Gregory

Ummm, no. Rossi blew his credibility in 2013; while I'd love to see "cold fusion" work and was 90% convinced by Rossi's claims at one time, his past claims were clearly the result of completely incompetent calorimetry where the energy pulled out of the device appeared to be the energy put into it in order to start the claimed reaction and each successive failure to demonstrate a sustained reaction resulted in a more complicated apparatus that would store more heat to start. In short, while Rossi does appear convinced he's chasing something real, he's lost the attention of credible observers.

What Lockheed is doing is real fusion and they are spending real money to do it.

RL Crabb

Walt 7:51pm - Republicans will win by default. People in general don't like them either, but they are the "other" in this election. If they do manage to gain the Senate majority I have no doubt they will make themselves so unpopular in two years they'll be lucky to hold onto it any longer than that.

Barry Pruett

Crabb. That is also my fear. The longer I live the more I realize that things do not really change at all. It is just a big kabooky dance.

Ben Emery

So nothing on the fact the US was aiding Saddam Hussein in chemical warfare all throughout the 1980's?

Isn't that one of the big justifications of invading/ occupying Iraq for a decade?

Read the reporting on it here and get the link to the actually declassified CIA papers. The last sentence of the excerpt should sting a little bit for you Reagan fans.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
Investigation

Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran

The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

Excerpt
"The intelligence included imagery and maps about Iranian troop movements, as well as the locations of Iranian logistics facilities and details about Iranian air defenses. The Iraqis used mustard gas and sarin prior to four major offensives in early 1988 that relied on U.S. satellite imagery, maps, and other intelligence. These attacks helped to tilt the war in Iraq's favor and bring Iran to the negotiating table, and they ensured that the Reagan administration's long-standing policy of securing an Iraqi victory would succeed. But they were also the last in a series of chemical strikes stretching back several years that the Reagan administration knew about and didn't disclose."

Todd Juvinall

Sometimes in foreign policy you have to pick your poison. Iraq? Iran? Hmmm. Who do we support? I guess Iraq. Just like Japan and Germany now Ben Emery. We had wars with them and now they are our pals. Just like a family. One day you like your brother, the next day you kick his ass. Get it?

fish

If they do manage to gain the Senate majority I have no doubt they will make themselves so unpopular in two years they'll be lucky to hold onto it any longer than that.

I'd be okay with that......I like churn!

Barry Pruett

Has anyone received a ballot yet? They were supposed to be mailed a week ago.

George Rebane

An important aspect of realpolitik is to help two or more of your enemies to beat the crap out of each other. It has been practiced successfully for millennia.

Todd Juvinall

I don't think Ben Emery understands that George.

fish

An important aspect of realpolitik is to help two or more of your enemies to beat the crap out of each other. It has been practiced successfully for millennia.

Or in an environment where the tribal nature of the culture and religion demands a "strongman/despot", leave him in place. This should have been done with Hussein (especially after he had been neutered following the first gulf war) and you would still have stability in the region.

George Rebane

fish 908am - I think that is what we initially attempted to do with Saddam after the Iraq-Iran war ended. Things started changing when Saddam then invaded Kuwait with eyes on further conquests southward. This upset the hoped for stability in the region.

fish

This upset the hoped for stability in the region.

(especially after he had been neutered following the first gulf war)


He was still in place and things were quiet......and he was behaving for the most part (some minor transgressions if I recall....but it's the middle east...what did we expect)! A strategic blunder of epic proportions....Bush Primo had the sense at least to bust up the joint and leave.....Bush the Lesser didn't.

George Rebane

fish 1045am - Agreed, the view through the rearview mirror is very clear. But it all hangs on the assumption that Saddam would have quietly behaved himself after getting whumped in Gulf1. There was no indication of that, and every indication that he had other plans that did not include 'stability of the region' - and then came 9/11.

But the stability paradigm which you raise and apparently promote is one which the US has successfully practiced for most of the 20th century. However, it has drawn the growing ire of the Left as it pointed out that such 'soft imperialism' serving the interests of America was illegal, immoral, and fattening. The subject is worth discussing as we attempt to reconfigure ourselves to deal with the next phase of Mideast wars, east Asian containment, and the rapidly legitimizing invasion of illegal aliens.

fish

There was no indication of that, and every indication that he had other plans that did not include 'stability of the region' - and then came 9/11.

Examples?

George Rebane

fish 1123am - rapid rebuilding of his military, including stockpiling chemical WMDs(as indicated above), rejecting conformance to UN resolutions demanding inspections (which when finally allowed were obviously limited to sanitized sites), internal 'rearrangements' strengthening the dominance of the Sunni Baathists (at the cost to Iran supported Shias and the Kurds), ... Even though tyranny is a stable form of governance, individual tyrants aren't. We can argue though about how long it would have taken for Saddam to launch his next destabilizing atrocity, and what the interim cost of keeping him contained would have been.

(Did you not want to talk about the 'stability paradigm' invited in my 1120am?)

RL Crabb

Joe Biden had it right when he said that Iraq should have been three countries after Gulf I, but chances are the Sunnis would have been cut off from the oil and started a war anyway.

George Rebane

RLCrabb 1211pm - People knew that almost immediately in 1921 after Churchill presented the new post-war configuration of the Mideast (that even included the notorious 'Churchill's Sneeze' that mangled Jordan's eastern boundary). We have suffered from such arbitrary boundaries not only in the Mideast but also in south Asia and Africa. Somebody must have told Biden about all this.

Paul Emery

Barry

Yubanet has the story on ballot mailing. Hmmm

http://yubanet.com/regional/NCElectionOffice-delayed--mailing-of-ballots.php#.VEArtK4xEaE

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery, your pathetic attempts at culture just don't work. I actually call it as I see it and I would say thank goodness I am a tall guy since short men are so insecure. Too funny.

I have called Christie a chub just like fat ass Pelline and Frisch. I have refrained from calling you what you are though, I respect your service.

Todd Juvinall

The above post was a mistake in this thread. Sorry.

Looks like the ballot is messed up eh Paul? Or should I say Cyrano? Too funny!

Walt

Another example of how when a Progressive is about to lose at their own game,,, just change the rules.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/16/moveon-org-changes-its-contest-rules-after-conservative-groups-video-takes-commanding-lead/

It sucks even worse when it gets plastered all over the web. Moveon sure must be buttsore about this getting out.

George Rebane

Walt 321pm - Great pick-up Walt. The huge amounts of political spending by the Left is a totally uncovered story in the lamestream - actually we may call it a journalistic cover-up by the same media people that the Left swears up and down is not overwhelmingly biased. Outfits like MoveOn.org must be blushing on all four cheeks when their own contest outs Steyer spending in one year more than the top 31 Republicans. Now we get to enjoy their cricket chorus response.

Barry Pruett

Thanks Paul!

George Boardman

There's nothing new in the YubaNet story. The Union reported more than a week ago that this was going to happen.

George Rebane

Our absentee ballots arrived in the mail today, but no voter info packet.

Walt

Seems Nevada Co. isn't the only one to screw up voter guides. Maybe someone should sue.
Ya' know what they say, an upside down flag is a message of distress.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/10/16/upside-down-flag-printed-on-thousands-of-d-c-voter-guides/
So much for "neutrality". A blatant attempt to sway voters. Someone cry to the judge!

Walt

OH CRAP!!! Another blow to global warming. As if record sea ice, and record early snow in Colorado. Now HERE???
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/16/early-snowfall-on-the-big-island-of-hawaii-seen-on-satellite/

OK resident AGW gang,, you got splanin'n ya' do. Forget we should be crispy critters by now according to those billion dollar computer models? The same damned info the stupid state of CA. CARB used (and still uses) to ram rules and regs down our throats in the name of AGW?
Yet you will still vote for the bastards to keep them in state office.
Now have another bong hit or hit of LSD true believers. And don't forget to send your donations to REV. Gore. He needs the gas money for his Gulf stream 5 to spread his carbon footprint.

Walt

One more point to make about the LIBS BS claims. They LOVE to spew that the Repubs are "the party of the rich". Well that claim just doesn't hold water. Read it and weep.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_ADVANTAGE_WEALTHIEST_DISTRICTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-16-56-29

Seems even the LIB press is turning on their own. ( looking to stay relevant?)

Don Bessee

Dr. R, 1120. I want to remind everyone that for years before 9/11 the scum bag saddam had his people shoot at our Air Force Hero's who were enforcing the no fly zone. Remember how often we had to kill an anti-air site that took a shot at us? Would we have allowed the Nazis or Tojo to shoot at us after their surrender?

fish

(Did you not want to talk about the 'stability paradigm' invited in my 1120am?)

Posted by: George Rebane | 16 October 2014 at 11:57 AM


Ya know I've thought about it but at the moment I can't summon the effort to do the research to rebut your arguments. It hardly matters as we are in the region and are likely to be there for the foreseeable future dealing with this "Tar Baby".

Imperial overstretch...it's what got the Romans and the Brits. I can think of no compelling reason that it won't get us too!

George Rebane

fish 954am - You're probably right. We can pick this up again at time if/when there is interest.

fish

Local man plans his movie comeback.....


Mark (Lead): Male, 30-40, Caucasian
Jewish, skaterboy hooligan from SoCal who still looks like both of those things, even as he approaches middle age. Has a daughter age 8 and … more


It's the role you were born to play jeffy!

fish

From the "Fun with Socialist Economics" section.....

http://reason.com/blog/2014/10/16/socialists-push-for-20-minimum-wage-but

Walt

I heard about that on the radio today Fish, I love the part whee they want to hire a web designer, and the pay is about 15 bucks an hour. yet they demand a minimum wadge of 20!

Bill Tozer

Too funny Walt. Just like those non profits lobbying Congress or a State legislature for a higher minimum wage, then when passed, are back there lobbying for an exemption cause it would cause them to laid off workers or break the bank of the non profit.

In other news we can't use, I admire Obama's style. Takes the little woman out for dinner and she ends up paying for it. Other people's money. To be fair, I do like it when people underuse their credit cards. Shows responsibility. Why use mine when I can use yours.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/17/obama-under-used-credit-card-declined-in-ny-cafe/?intcmp=latestnews

Ben Emery

If true very good point Walt. The higher minimum wage will hit non profits big time for the few paid positions they have within their organizations. My brothers NGO pays their workers all living wage/ middle class wages. They have 25 paid employees. If you set your organization up to work within that formula then it is no problem. Where their organization might make you guys choke is the founders/ co executive directors only make about twice as much as their employees who work about 20 less hours a week. Where as the average US corporation (all sizes factored in) executives make 300:1 to their employees and in some industries it is up to 1500:1 over their employees. Big gap in philosophy isn't it?

Barry Pruett

Ben brings up as always an interesting topic. I have been wanting to have a conversation about corporations with him for sometime, so the rest of you yahoos need to participate without the regular nonesense.

Question for Ben: If executive compensation is over 300:1 that of employees, why doesn't the market correct for the "over compensation?" I mean if corporations must lower the cost of production by lowering salaries in order to compete with other corporations, why do the corporations overpay executives? It appears at first glance that the executives bargain at arms length for salaries that a commensurate with ability...much like an NFL quarterback.

Walt

In other news, CNN is laying off people by the droves. And because a lot just happen to be Black,,,, well you can guess what the charge is.... ( then they go and hire a White guy named Mike Rowe.)

Ben Emery

Barry,
To answer your question without going off on other connecting issues such as free trade agreements, tax policy, political corruption i.e. incentives for such policy shifts;
" It appears at first glance that the executives bargain at arms length for salaries that a commensurate with ability...much like an NFL quarterback."

Yes, this is comparable but for different reasons.

We have shifted to a new kind of business model in our predatory capitalism. This shift has made share holders more important than the stake holders.

Mitt Romney/ Bain business model is the epitome of this phenomena. Executives that are willing to literally ruin other peoples lives for the bottom line of the company are compensated at much higher rates. Productivity has skyrocketed in the US some due to technology but mainly due to the increase duties/ responsibilities forced onto the employees after staff cuts are made. These downsizing, forced retirements, or just making conditions so unbearable that people leave are usually with employees with seniority/ benefits cutting costs for the company while dumping all those responsibilities to less qualified and now underpaid staff.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-private-equity-firms-like-bain-really-are-the-worst-of-capitalism-20120523

Another example of this shift is the health insurance industry. Health insurance CEO's compensation is insane, they are killing people and causing much suffering with their policies/ protocol of denying premium paying customers valid claims. This is where some of the much needed regulations of ACA are so important. Claims, pre existing conditions, caps on payments, ect... are no longer legal on the health care industry side of the equation. This is why Obama and Democratic Party pundits try to justify why he had to make back room deals and circumvent the American people and congress. This is why the public option could not be part of the end product. With these regulation or laws in place profits will decrease so getting 30 million new customers would make up for that new rules.

William McGuire in a 10 year stint for United Health Group took home over a billion and a half dollars for being that person who is willing to kill people and cause mass suffering for the bottom line, not many people have that level of lack of conscience to perform that job in that fashion.

Ben Emery

Barry,
To finish my 11:50am comment

In essence it is a very immoral and perverted skill set that makes a small few people lots of money, in my opinion of course. Unfortunately the sin of "Love" of money has elevated this type of business model as successful throughout the nation and internationally. It also has been conflated into political ideology so we hear working class people using these same talking points.

Walt

Ben. Overbearing government regulations never has anything to do with it from the Socialist point of view. It " more the better". Never mind we have the highest corp. tax in the world. Seems the only "budding" untaxed "small" business now is dope.
LIBS got their Obummercare, now the little guy is going under because of it.
LIBS love to say Repubs are for "big business" , yet the richest back the LIBS.
They pay off the politicians to write rules and regs. to stifle the competition.

LIBS have bought Wall st. and has left Main st. high and dry.

George Rebane

BenE 1150am - I think we've done this Romney/Bain dance before. The companies that Bain bought and restructured were not healthy; most were either on the edge of ruin or firmly headed in that direction. They were not being run as sustainable businesses for their owners. Bain did not create the economy or market conditions that put these companies in that state. But Bain did have the expertise to rescue the remaining value from such companies (at least most of them; some went bust in spite of Bain's ministrations and Bain lost their investment). This provided some return to the shareholders, saved jobs (all of which would have been lost), and very frequently put the company on a new growth path that created even more jobs than the company provided before. This performance is a matter of record - Romney/Bain created/saved more jobs than they cut.

Now as a socialist you march to different economic principles which teach that businesses are started and run for the benefit of the employees (stakeholders?), and not for the benefit of the owners whose risk taking investment started and maintains the business. Your way has never worked (save for some very inefficiently state run extractive industries which ultimately fail after their produced wealth is skimmed off by the country's ruling elite).

fish

This shift has made share holders more important than the stake holders.


Perhaps these "stakeholders" (mostly not owners) should purchase the company from the shareholders (the owners)...a novel concept I realize.... if they feel they can operate these companies in a more beneficial and profitable manner.

Wait....wait...let me guess....I'm not seeing the "Big Picture".

fish

...and in other news.....local man living on inherited money (sources tell us) complains about another mans pension!

Careful jeffy.....this kind of talk could very well alienate the local proletarians who you like to slum with.....then other than the sock puppets....no friends at all!

Is this the same Keith M. Grueneberg who is a board member of Nevada County Consolidated Fire and was in the news this week for defending a proposal to pull firefighters from the Nevada City fire station to save money? Do tell Keith. According to Transparent California, a Keith M. Grueneberg is drawing an annual pension of $194K.

So are you saying that Mr. Grueneberg did anything wrong by working in the various positions he's held? If so what? Is his pension excessive? What are you prepared to do politically to rein in excessive pensions for public safety personnel. If you're successful do you think Sheriff Royal will make you delete his number from your cell phone!

Inquiring minds want to know?

George Rebane

fish 107pm - This obvious solution has been suggested many times to BenE and company. You're right in that somehow that hasn't fit into their big picture - altruism über alles!

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 October 2014 at 02:02 PM

This should be real easy? I've seen Ben claim that he and his side is; "On almost every major issue my opinion falls into the majority of Americans, anywhere from 51% to 90%."...given this one would think that he's ready to take the leap from the "theoretical phase" into a more active role as one of the "vanguard". I understand that due to some health issues he's not ready to actually seize the means of production....but if he and his 51% to 90% of the populace wanted to....buy.... these businesses he should have little trouble acquiring the capital to convert them to thriving "employee owned collectives".

How bout it Ben...are you ready to serve as an example to the rest of us?

George Rebane

fish 217pm - to this thread I'd add the "caring economics" approach that PaulE introduced us to several years ago.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2011/05/true-value-of-work-and-caring-economics.html#more
and more here -
http://www.caring-economics.org/

The guru of caring economics has been Riane Eisler now of the Global Oneness Project (hardcore Agenda21). There was also a British company that tried to pioneer an implementation of this with heavy levels of worker ownership and participation in management. I can't find it and think it went belly up.
http://www.globalonenessproject.org/library/interviews/caring-economics

It still comes down to the same thing - all socialists want to play with your money, and they will not hesitate to sacrifice you to get it.

Gregory

I'll come right out and say that any pension above $100k is outrageous for any retired state or local public employee. They have jobs that have far more security than anyone in the public sector who pay tbe bills, and historically that's why they had less pay and benefits than the rest of us. Now they have all the security, and higher pay and benefits.

Just another brick in the insolvency wall.

BTW another howler by the Lickspittles over at Pelline's... that McClintock is too old and gray to be reelected to Congress. Needs to be put to pasture. Get new blood in there.

While that might be true for Harry Reid (age 74), Pelosi (age 74) or Boxer (age 73), but McClintock is 58.

Gregory

Of course, that should read "They have jobs that have far more security than anyone in the PRIVATE sector who pay tbe bills"

fish

I'll come right out and say that any pension above $100k is outrageous for any retired state or local public employee.

Indeed....but that's what he has qualified for under the California Civil Service rules established by a legislature that has spent far more time with Democrats at the helm than Republicans (less), Independents (less still), Libertarians (never), etc. ....!

Now that money woes impact "lil jeffy" in a more tangible way he wants stern measures taken to deal with this intolerable state of affairs!

The guru of caring economics has been Riane Eisler now of the Global Oneness Project (hardcore Agenda21).

Who the F comes up with these utterly ridiculous names....Global Oneness Project.....? Thats as stupid as young Ben employing the phrase "the masses" un-ironically!

"Marketing" people...learn it, know it, live it!

fish

Sorry George I glossed right over this one.

fish 107pm - This obvious solution has been suggested many times to BenE and company. You're right in that somehow that hasn't fit into their big picture - altruism über alles!

Moral preening and RightThinkfulness on display like so much Peacock plumage! Altruism involves sacrifice....(and I'm not saying Ben wouldn't)...the ringleaders are, as you stated, all for your sacrifice and mine...theirs not so much!

Walt

Well the ABC undercover cops are working today, One of their under age "bait boys"
bagged the poor minimum wadge schlep at the local store. He forgot to ask for ID.
I bet they don't hit the pot shops and see if they ask for their rec. card.

Ben Emery

Well guys I am out on corresponding with others except Barry not because I cannot but I really don't have the time or energy these days to do so. Barry asked a question and I answered it the most direct way I could without getting into the incentives and connecting policies that contribute to such unbalanced compensation. It really is business shooting themselves in the foot over the long run due to workers not earning enough money to sustain our economy and the ability to borrow against future wages this economy will sputter and fizzle out. We are in the sputtering stages at the moment and the next crash with be the fizzle out stage since we as a country no longer have the ability to bail ourselves out with more debt. We had the perfect scenario to do so in 2008 but we decided to bail out irresponsible banking/ financial industry and then gave out huge tax breaks with the stimulus package that was about 1/3 of the size needed to get our outdated and failing infrastructure up to 21st century standards.

Have a good night

fish

It really is business shooting themselves in the foot over the long run due to workers not earning enough money to sustain our economy and the ability to borrow against future wages this economy will sputter and fizzle out.

Agree with the first part of your statement....disagree with the second part (partially). This will be a bigger factor going forward especially with the trend towards automation.

We are in the sputtering stages at the moment and the next crash with be the fizzle out stage since we as a country no longer have the ability to bail ourselves out with more debt. We had the perfect scenario to do so in 2008 but we decided to bail out irresponsible banking/ financial industry and then gave out huge tax breaks with the stimulus package that was about 1/3 of the size needed to get our outdated and failing infrastructure up to 21st century standards.

Again...agree with the first part of your statement....disagree with the second part. The next time will be worse....I suspect much worse. But let's be honest Ben, you yourself argued for this bailout!

From RL's Blog

fish says:

September 28, 2014 at 9:19 am

But Ben it’s the disagreements that are so much more interesting. If I wanted that I could have joined “jeffys furious affirmation society”….no thanks!

You posted something once at Rebanes that always puzzled me….a Nader quote that said, in essence.

“Capitalism will never fail because Socialism will always rescue it”

Why would socialism bail out a system that it considers so egregiously flawed?

Reply

Ben Emery says:

September 28, 2014 at 10:02 am

Fish,
Because everyday people will suffer if it does not act.

Ben Emery says:

September 28, 2014 at 10:08 am

oops it should have read

Fish,

“Why would socialism bail out a system that it considers so egregiously flawed?”

-Because everyday people will unduly suffer if it does not act.-

I will add, the predatory form of capitalism we find ourselves in today understands this fully. This is why big industry will take such huge risks. I believe we need to remove the security of limited liability from those who sit atop large institutions/ industry. In a 24 month period BP killed over two dozen people with their negligence and nobody went to jail, this is not justice in any way shape of form.

fish says:

September 28, 2014 at 10:20 am

So your argument is that we must sustain a flawed system that leftist social theorists say must fail eventually because “people will unduly suffer if it doesn’t act”.

I find your argument circular….if this is how it must be so people don’t suffer unduly then how can you criticize it? The predatory capitalist system is in ascendence. Enabled and maintained by progressive politicians and social policies. I don’t recall any of this coming to pass in what little leftist political literature I’ve read?

So you say that these bailouts needed to happen to mitigate "suffering"

Now I won't lump you in with those who identify as "progressive" who support the democrats since you self identify as a Green/Socialist. But socialist theory requires that a critical phase like the one presented to the democrats in 2007-2008 is necessary to usher in change and yet with a fully democratic legislature and with control of the executive branch and with the whip hand (the ability to bail out these financial institutions...or not) we didn't do so and find ourselves back in a similar set of conditions as those in place nearly eight years ago.

How exactly do you plan on getting to socialism if you won't accept a little suffering? I was all for letting the banks fail, liquidating their assets and arresting and prosecuting the bankers for their criminal activity. Letting the "chips fall where they may" as it were.

Remind me again why you consider me a fascist.

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