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19 January 2015

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Paul Emery

Golly Guys, Obama is moving up in the Polls, up to 50% in this major poll.

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job2.htm

Any one care to compare his numbers with Bush 2 at the same time frame?

Todd Juvinall

Don't care.

Russ Steele

Paul@07:05PM

Obama's ratings have risen as the price of gas and diesel have fallen, putting more money in peoples pickets. The interesting thing is he had nothing to do with the falling price of oil, that is driven by the oil glut on the global market. That glut was the result of fracking technology, which is not being used on Federal lands. In fact Obama's EPA has done everything possible to inhibit the use of fracking technology. So, O's rating are going up, for reasons outside of his control. One major oil disaster, natural or terror related, will rapidly drive up the price of oil on the global markets and O's rating will go down, down, down.

Todd Juvinall

I'll take this one Paul Emery, Reuters has Obama at 37% approval. How doe that work for you?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Paul Emery

Thanks for the link Todd. In the polls cited yes indeed Obama is at 37% with Reuters but all the other Polls in the RCP link shows him in mid or high 40's. Either way he's having a bit of a surge lately. Care to compare his numbers to Bush? It's pretty ugly. bush dipped into the high 20's in some of the established polls.

ABC News/Wash Post Approve 47, Disapprove 48
Gallup Approve 44, Disapprove 51
Rasmussen Reports Approve 49, Disapprove 50

Paul Emery

Todd

Just thought I'd refresh you on what a really unpopular President poll numbers are. This is from Fox.

"President Bush’s job approval rating slipped this week and stands at a new low of 33 percent approve, down from 36 percent two weeks ago and 39 percent in mid-March. A year ago this time, 47 percent approved and two years ago 50 percent approved (April 2004).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/04/20/042006-fox-poll-gloomy-economic-views-bush-approval-at-new-low/

drivebyposter

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/content/images/ITW2011042801-chart1.png

Bill  Tozer

Paul, I don't care what anyone says about the humanitarian George W Bush. I will always have a soft spot for him. Always. When Bush was Governor of Texas, he pardoned me, sealed all my records, and made a phone call and got my name changed to begin anew. Thus I ended up here in the foothills as mild manner blogger Bill the Tozer.
In the old days it was called "unlawful flight to avoid prosecution", another felony. Since Governor Bush stepped in, it is now called "a change of scenery". The only thing BubbaBubba or any employer'sbackground check can find on me is a change of address from a non-existent address in Colfax. I love Bush and his lovely librarian bride: "Now George, everyone deserves a second chance." I love Laura.

Todd Juvinall

BillT what a great story. Paul Emery has Bush Derangement Syndrome so his opinions are simply tainted and I could care less. Sure Bush made errors in the job and there are always people to point them out. But when someone like the Emery's do it, it is a hoot. Many little African kids and many women are alive today because of his gifts to them regarding AIDS. The good always gets a passing by the libs. Antway, I just crack up when he gets on his BDS.

Todd Juvinall

Oh and one more thing. The press bashed Bush on a daily basis his whole term except for two weeks after 9/11. Obama is swooned over by the press on a daily basis. I think we can see why the polls are the way they are.

fish

Golly Guys, Obama is moving up in the Polls, up to 50% in this major poll.

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job2.htm

Any one care to compare his numbers with Bush 2 at the same time frame?


It's like listening to a woman brag about the huge turnaround her AA attending boyfriend has made.

Michael R. Kesti

Paul Emery 19Jan15 at 7:05PM

I have no problem with being a student of history but a significant difference between The Bush and Obama poll ratings is that Bush's ratings are history and therefore likely to have ittlr, if any, effect on the present and the future. Obama's ratings, on the other hand...

Walt

Ya' gotta love the way the "informed" Paul tries to give "O" a reach-a-round for something Paul knows damned well he("O") has zilch to do with.
OK Paul, just what DID "O" do to bring down oil prices? Did he open up FED oil leases?
ANWAR? It sure hasn't been the XL pipeline,,,.
To claim credit for something,, one actually has to DO something. With your line of thinking, "O" can claim credit for the Sun coming up every morning.

George Rebane

MichaelK 805am - Quite true. But in light of the travesty of Obama's presidency, the Bush2 presidency is like an irritating itch that has to be continually scratched. And since there has been little success since 2009 (the economy is struggling back in spite of Obama's nostrums), and even fewer prospects for his remaining time in office, what more can be done by his supporters than an attempt to divert attention to the past? 'Pay no attention to the accomplishments of the man in office ...'

Walt

Hard to make wind power affordable when all the "profits" go away in the form of FINES.
( and pay attention to just who is getting the bucks)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/20/bird-chopper-wind-farm-fined-by-justice-department-for-killing-golden-eagles/

Can someone point out how to make a "bird friendly" giant fan? Maybe some warning signs written in Avian will work?
Where is Crabb? Sharpen that pencil. This has your name all over it.

Bill  Tozer

Well, I must say that Arnold and Jerry at least had a piece of paper to sign before hiking our gas tax to build low income housing and a Choo Choo to Button Willows, the famous truck stop know for its prositutues on the outskirts of Bakerfield.

Looks like the Governor of Washington is taking a page out of of the Obama playbook and don't need to sign no stinkin' legislative papers to sign. We should be grateful that we live in The Golden State instead of The Evergreen State. Always a silver lining.

But, like CA, the new gas tax hike will not fill one pothole nor resurface one single street. With gas prices so low, nobody will notice, right? Nobody will notice until gas climbs up to 5 bucks a gallon in a few years and we can all blame the evil fossil fuel industry and demand the Great Fathet in Washington open up the strategic reserves.
Lower gasoline prices puts a smile on every middle class and poor folks' faces, but a big frown on our Defenders of Mother Earth's contorted faces.
https://shiftwa.org/action/tell-inslee-no-executive-order/?utm_source=lcfs&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=lcfspetition

Brad C.

Obama can make whatever proposals he wants to but he will have to get them past a Republican congress... good luck with that!

Paul Emery

RE George 8:45

Bush an "irritating itch"
Would you be able to say that to the thousands who died and were injured in Iraq? Are you actually saying that we were in better shape in 2008 when Bush left office than we are now?

George Rebane

PaulE 1010am - The answer to your question solicits the revisiting of what were the causes of the Great Recession which struck during Bush2's last year in office. We have circled that barn too many times in these pages, and you (and everyone with modicum reading skills) know what my position is.

And scratching that irritating itch has nothing to do with the history of the recent Mideast 'wars'. They could have been better fought and then administered, but the precipitous departures architected by Obama clearly devalues the sacrifices we made in life and limb. Why don't you and other liberals talk about the coulda/woulda/shouldas of wiser policies that Obama could neither generate nor execute? That is more recent history which is still unfolding and could perhaps be improved by today's president.

Gregory

Don't look, but Scoopy's is so slow "Annie Fox" posted twice, first to congratulate him on yet another to say how much better The Union would be were Scoopy running the place again.

On South Park, Mr.Garrison has Mr. Hat to help relieve that, umm, certain stress... Scoopy apparently has "Annie Fox".

Gregory

Don't look, but Scoopy's is so slow "Annie Fox" posted twice, first to congratulate him on yet another great post, then to say how much better The Union would be were Scoopy running the place again.

On South Park, Mr.Garrison has Mr. Hat to help relieve that, umm, certain stress... Scoopy apparently has "Annie Fox".

Walt

Well welcome to Cricketville. Paul is back to his good ol' self. Can't find anything to give credence to "O" and his deserving of "credit" for low fuel costs.
You brought it up Paul,,, so lets hear it. And DO give your input on "bird friendly" wind farms.

Paul Emery

Walt

I was merely observing the current political climate and noting that for whatever reason Obama is coming up in the polls. It puts the Pubsters in a difficult position when it comes to how they will run the congress.

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 20 January 2015 at 10:50 AM

I see what you did there.......

Gregory

Here's another sandbox entry for the day... propane prices. They are continuing to drop.

Just called my current supplier ... I own my tank, purchased when I bought my house 20+ years ago, the 500 gallon tank cost me about $500 then. Price is $1.75, but would be a buck more a gallon were I one of their captive customers, using a tank they own and only they can legally fill. No, I won't identify them but all the propane companies that rent tanks play the same game. Some are better than others.

Here's what the current propane inventories look like...
https://marketrealist.imgix.net/uploads/2015/01/us-propane-stocks.png?w=660&fit=max&auto=format

I expect the midsummer price will really be in the weeds.

Gregory

I should mention the one local propane company that has a clean and fair pricing structure is Ace Propane
www.acepropane.net

They sell tanks, they lease tanks at an above board rate (not built into a big overcharge for delivered propane) and they ostensibly charge everyone the same price (though they have given me a half decent break on their published rate when I'd fill the tank and cut a check on the spot). In fact, the guy who started the company (then called Acme Propane) round when I bought my house had a business model of selling tanks for not much more than cost so he could fill them; his service was also very prompt, but only because he didn't make people wait for when he was servicing that area, which in the end, ran him ragged and killed his profit margins. Ace does a nice job balancing both.

I should really try to have them give my my summer fill.

Walt

"President Barack Obama’s policies "have resulted in gas prices being reduced from $3.07 per gallon when he was sworn in in 2009 to $2.30 today."
— Bobby Scott

Not even LIB news is buying it. Any bets "O" will thump his chest tonight and say " look what I have done with gas prices?"

Todd Juvinall

Senator Mike Lee is offering an Amendment on the XL Pipeline debate a $125 per hour cap on ESA and other agencies regarding lawyers fees. Ya think the Prez will veto that? Yep.

RL Crabb

News Flash:President to address extremist group... http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-address-extremist-group

Gregory

"It puts the Pubsters in a difficult position when it comes to how they will run the congress."


Not as difficult Obama is after his party lost in a landslide unequalled since around 1910... that's a "thumpin'" of historic portions, Paul.

Walt

Word has it "O" will ask for tax hikes.. Seems he has already forgot that LIBS are not running the show anymore. And no,,, he can't sign an executive order to do so.

The LIBS that are left in the House and Senate just might join the Right to vote the "right way". They want to keep their elected positions come the next go round. Seems even Dirty Harry knows his days are numbered. Even Boxer is throwing in the towel.

Nope, it don't look good for LIBS in the long run.

Paul Emery

Gregory

The difficulty for the Pubbers is how they are going to keep the party unified with their likely shift towards moderation in their nomination of a Pres candidate. If Obama is able to maintain reasonable poll numbers, to which he seems to be drifting, it will be an indication that the Party needs to be cautious in their direction and not be very far off center. The Ted Cruz types will raise a fuss for sure but the Center is where the money is and that carries the day for sure.

George Rebane

PaulE 258pm - That may be a "difficulty" for Repubs. However, the counter argument for not running in the middle is that they tried it twice - '08 and '12 - and it didn't work. And according to the pollsters that was because the middle candidates didn't excite enough of the Repub base which didn't vote in droves.

Todd Juvinall

I think the shellacking the Republicans gave the dems in November is being misread by Paul Emery. The people want a conservative push. Illegal immigration, balanced budget, less regulations, pass the XL etc. Those issues are far from extreme. Now that the Islamo terrorists are running rampant around the planet we see an even greater degree of desire by the people to counteract them. Obama's numbers now are meaningless.

Walt

Pretty sure LIB media is doing it's best to make the "divide" a lot bigger than it really is. They can't keep propping up their straw man "O",, too many facts they can't ignore, or look really stupid. So now bring all guns to bear on the House and Senate and fire for effect. "O" still has tricks up his sleeve and LIB media is playing along. Nope,,, not going to print the words " Islamic terrorists". ( That's right from the W.H.)

Walt

OHHHHH CRRaappppp................. OK Doc,,, It seems I have to eat my words.
Please pass the salt.( for the open wound.)
http://www.wsj.com/articles/drones-next-job-construction-work-1421769564

It may work in potato dirt ( not a rock to be found) but wait till that on board computer fails, or the batteries run out. That will not end well.

Don Bessee

So as obamas team arrives in cuba to start talks with the castros the Russians send a message with the arrival of a spy ship that had not been previously announced. So now we have a pattern of 0 throwing life lines to iran and cuba. The mullahs are giddy about how their economy was saved by the relaxing of sanctions in exchange for nothing. In return today Iran and Russia sign a military pact, sounds like an in your face on the state of the union speech day. Saw lefty jeffy trying to talk to real people in the lakeview post, guess he is tired of talking to himself and furth in liberal lament land. The claims of the CA rainbow and unicorn world by lefty jeffy with no details is why he is so irrelevant and spends so much time talking to himself. Who thinks 0 will mention any of the parts of the world that are in flames and in most cases made worse by the 0 Kerry-Hillary policies? Offensive in Ukraine, coup in Yemen, that JV team isis has mroe captives to be butchered, now especially women who offended the profit by getting an education and all the rest this week. Where is the lefty outrage? Must be too busy apologizing for Michael moore and seth rogans attacks on the American hero in Eastwoods blockbuster movie or ensuring no one is showing the Charlie cover or scrubbing out any mention of Islamic terrorism they can find. Oh I know, they tweeted about it once.

Paul Emery

Todd

In your view what should be our policy to counteract what you describe as "Isalmo Terrorists" ?

George 3:09

That's a very real issue for both parties, how to energize the base. Also, the Repubs have to please the big money cats (Chamber of Commerce etc) which called a time out when Cruz was strutting his stuff. They made it very clear they would withhold their dough if that faction gains too much power. They will absolutely not support any candidate who does not support fast tracking the TPP which is by far the biggest issue for big business support. It would be supremely hypocritical for ANY Tea Party supporter to support any candidate that supports the
TPP so there you have the dilemma. Of course any Dem candidate would support it. Here you have the Republicrats settling on a middle ground to keep the bucks flowing.

In my view both bush and Obama should have been fired by the voters after their dismal first terms. If they were first round draft picks in the NFL they would have both been gone in fours years. The Parties deney us that choice which is why I wont vote for either party.

Walt

So "O" is trying to sell " free collage".. So.. how to pay for it.. The teachers going to work for free as well? ( good luck)

"Isalmo Terrorists" Simple... kill'm. Not what Hillary subscribes to. " Respecting their views and gripes". In the meanwhile "O" and Co. are setting them loose to return to their killing sprees.

Paul Emery

Walt

How do you spot those that need do be killed and who will do the 'killin?

Bill  Tozer

Paul, easy answer.

Let the French do the killin. They are afterall our declared closest alley per our former Secretary of State Hillary. France as already banned the ugly black drab unfashionable burka (bad for France's excellent fashion reputation) and since we lead from behind anyway I nominate the French. If it breathes, it bleeds. Kill them all, then take John McCain's song to our lips and Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran.

First hit the low hanging fruit. Hit the Sunni mosques at prayer time. The places will be packed full and there will be a lot of twofers so we can use less ammo. Then hit every Toyota pick-em-up truck that moves, another opportunity of more twofers. That will teach them not to use Fords, the number one selling pick-em-up truck in the world.
We should let the Aussies in on the party as they have a score to settle as well.
We should leave Afganstan intact and not waste good American made projectiles on the cavemen there, with the exception of dumping Agent Oramge on all the poppy fields. That will put the hurts on the Taliban big time and have them throw their shoes at us and shake their fists at the sky.

drivebyposter

"That's a very real issue for both parties, how to energize the base."

Heck, that's a piece of cake.

Republicans:

Claim to make government 'leaner and meaner', more efficient, and the like.
Protect the guns.
Give some freebies to the elderly.
Tax cuts for the middle class (ie. those making >$1M per year).
Avoid mentioning the fact that the party leaders are four square for unlimited immigration.
Damn unions!
God bless the United States of America.

Democrats:
Prattle on about the War on Womyn.
KOCH!
Pass out goodies to leadership of minority groups.
Waste some money on semi-crooked government programs and call them 'investments'.
Pass out goodies to government unions in exchange for get-out-the-vote chicanery.

Russ Steele

Walt, your replacement is in the works.

Construction-equipment maker Komatsu Ltd. has plans to solve a potential shortage of construction workers in Japan: Let drones and driverless bulldozers do part of the work.

Tokyo-based Komatsu said Tuesday it planned to use unmanned aircraft, bulldozers and excavators to automate much of the early foundation work on construction sites.

Under Komatsu’s plans, U.S.-made drones would scan job sites from the air and send images to computers to build three-dimensional models of the terrain. Komatsu’s unmanned bulldozers and excavators would then use those models to carry out design plans, digging holes and moving earth.

Walt

I already found out Russ,, I posted it above... I will be landfill by the time it will really make any difference.

Bill  Tozer

Bad news Walt. Couple this with the Japanese making that shovel that stands up by itself 20 years ago and our county and state road crew workers are screwed as well.
Like you, I am just trying to hang in there until the Singularly takes over and I am buried with my old faithful transistor radio in my shirt pocket. Think we can buy enough time before heading off to Wrinkle Village, the stopover before the Marble Orchard.
Let's count our blessing. Had to go to see old sawbones today to discuss some lab work. He did not mince words and laid it out with that grin face.. He said I have althemizers , pancreatic cancer, and leukimea. Shit. Well, I told him, "at least I don't have althemizers." Always a silver lining.

Russ Steele

Justice Ginsburg finds the best way to enjoy the State of the Union Speech
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ruth-bader-ginsburg-appears-fall-asleep-during-state-union_824179.html

Bill  Tozer

Mr. Steele:
Well, at least she made it longer than I did through the State of the Union speech. Don't think she is snoozing. Maybe she is praying that her Depends can hold up longer than Obama's words.

Bill  Tozer

Mr. Walt:
You are a tough ole bird. With any luck, you will be on the green side of the crapgrass until your grave will be dug by some new high flaluting low polluting unmanned grave digging machine. Appears that Ruthie Bladder Ginsberg won't be with us to see that day.

Walt

Leave it to the Orientals to build something to dig your own grave with.

So more working stiffs will be out of a job. Just what the LIBS love.

Bill  Tozer

This is what happens when you force a small business to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. Others with opposing views will try to force the small business to make them a cake as well, in the name of fairness I suppose. While tempted to say "what's good for the goose is good for the gander", I will look at the big picture and ask what the heck are lawyers and judges and courts doing stickingg their snouts into a small business?

Sure, we have all seen the signs "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", but this is getting ridiculous. There is a difference between refusing service to a drunk falling off the barstool (or barring someone solely because of race, creed or National origin) and forcing a business to perform a service. The world has gone stark raving mad I tell ya.

http://denver.eater.com/2015/1/20/7858569/cake-shop-faces-legal-action-for-refusing-to-make-anti-lgbt-cake

Larry Wirth

Tozer, you are one hilarious (but serious) writer. Thanks! L.

fish

Are you actually saying that we were in better shape in 2008 when Bush left office than we are now?


Yeah....8 1/2 trillion dollars better shape then we are now! You won't have to pay it off Paul so it's cool!

George Rebane

fish 703am - Mr fish, who are you responding to, or is this a rhetorical question you want to answer??

Joe Koyote

Some TPP facts:
Percentage of the total global economy subject to the agreement = 40%. ::::

Number of corporate "trade advisors" given full access to the official draft = 600 ::::

Number of Congress members, journalists, trade unionists, and others who have had "unfettered" access to the document = 0. (The latter group have been allowed access under the conditions of no cameras, cell phones, audio recorders, no written notes, and no unsupervised viewing.)

Apparently the powers that be do not want the public to know what they are signing on to. Very few of the chapters deal with actual trade issues. The rest lays out the legal grounds under which (like WTO) member nations can be sued by corporations for passing laws that limit "trade" like anti-pollution, product safety standards, or any law that protects or encourages (like subsidies) locally produced merchandise. In other words, under this agreement a member nation can be forced to take sub-standard or unsafe products because to not take them limits fair trade.

Bill  Tozer

He got my vote last night:

http://nypost.com/2015/01/20/obamas-free-stuff/

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 21 January 2015 at 07:55 AM

Sorry...got the sentiment left out the speaker!

My comment was in reference to:

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 January 2015 at 10:10 AM

George Rebane

fish 840am & 703am - In that case we might want to add that apples-to-apples unemployment comparisons would put today's unemployment rate at about 10.5%, in fact there are 1.7M fewer workers with full time jobs now than when the recession began. And this litany goes on. I'll have more to say about Obama's latest lies later in the day.

Walt

I would like to add,,, more businesses died than were born in the last year.
Another first.

Bill  Tozer

Moving forward, it would be nice for wages to not be stagnet for another 6 years. We better get those good wages up and off flat lined cause somebody has to pay for the free day at the candy store.

Walt

Hell just froze over. Another hard Lefty speaks ill of "O"
"The highest ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, says the Obama administration sounds as if it’s getting talking points from Iran about its negotiations with the so-called Islamic republic.

“I have to be honest with you, the more I hear from the administration and its quotes, the more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of Tehran,” Menendez charged at a Wednesday hearing."

Joe Koyote

it would be nice for wages to not be stagnet for another 6 years." Actually wages have been going down since 2000. The average American's income is $3600 less now than it was in 2000 (adjusted for inflation) while, of course, the wealthiest Americans have seen their incomes rise by 25% or more during the same time period.

Walt

It's Bush's Fault... Right JoeK? Or maybe the Repubs who only now have any real say.
There is just NO WAY LIBS can be responsible,, let alone Dear Leader.

George Rebane

JoeK 1027am - This twin-modal wage distribution was pointed out to RR readers years ago. As technology advances this phenomenon will become more pronounced as the skilled workers/investors become more productive, the middle workers are displaced, and the transfer payment recipients grow. The only thing to stop that happening will be an autocracy cum tyranny in which everyone save the ruling elites will be paupers a la the former USSR and today's Cuba.

Markets - be they black, gray, or white - always demand exchanges of value for value since they are an expression of human nature. No government in history has been able to legislate and enforce an alternative schema for the exchange of goods and services, but the collectivists have yet to give up on devising such a brave new world.

Walt

"In Mario Cuomo's speech delivered in the year George Orwell predicted, Mr. Cuomo brazenly laid out his party’s platform that, indeed, the government is the answer to every problem there is, that personal responsibility is a hateful mirage and that only through government control over every aspect of our lives will America become that “shining city on a hill.” "
From http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/21/bnthe-nuclear-option-mario-cuomo-and-the-democrats-bleak-ghetto-of-false-promises/

Yup "1984"..... About the same time Dems re-branded themselves again.. From Liberal to "progressive".

Bill  Tozer

It would be nice to not have our nation's workforce shrink while our population grows. Moving forward, we need an expanding workforce to pay for all the non income tax payers and those millions now on the dole. Who is going to push the wagon while the barn is now at standing room only packed to the rafters with those milling about eating all the hay? "Who is going to help me made the bread", asked the Little Red Hen.

Russell Steele

Bill T@01:38PM,

The sad truth is there are going to be fewer and fewer members of the work force as productivity of the existing work force continues to increase, and more work is being done by robots. The end result will be more people eating from the trough in the barn. The problem is will we have enough barns, troughs and hay to put in the trough. Not likely. The competition for barn space is going to be brutal.

Walt

How the worm turns. AP has stabbed "O" in the back.
Required reading for our resident Lefties.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/21/associated-press-fact-check-tears-apart-obamas-state-of-the-union-claims/

In other words,,, OUCH!

George Rebane

Walt 521pm - Good catch Walt. Yes, AP is not exactly your rabid rightwing media outlet, yet they cut Obama a brand new aperture within a couple of hours after he left the House chamber. For more, please see my today's KVMR commentary transcript that will post right about ... now.

Paul Emery

Here's one for you Russ

While hitting familiar Republican points criticizing the size of the federal debt, Romney at times sounded like a Democrat, calling for President Barack Obama and other leaders in Washington to act on common liberal priorities such as climate change, poverty and education.

"I'm one of those Republicans who thinks we are getting warmer and that we contribute to that," he said of climate change, charging that federal leaders have failed to enact global agreements needed to tackle the problem."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/mitt-romney-climate-change_n_6523530.html

Joe Koyote

Walt 10:37 -- I didn't blame anybody Walt.. just pointing out the facts. If you want to blame Bush for the country going in the tank, go ahead, or you can blame it on Y2k, or you can blame it on sun spots.. it really doesn't matter. You righties are very good at blaming and very poor at fixing. Besides, just what did George Bush do to make the world a better place anyway?

I find it hilarious that silver spooner Romney is now the champion of the poor and climate change after his failed run at president where he was on the opposite side of those issues. I wonder how much he paid a political consultant to tell him that if he ever wants to be elected he has to pander to the middle instead of his cronies. Duh! Typical spoiled boarding school rich kid narcissist who will say or do anything to get what they want. If Kerry was a flip-flopper, what do you call Romney.. a liar?

George - 10:40 -- So what do you propose as a solution? Yes we know all about the industrial revolution and the great economic engine that capitalism is, but historically, free market capitalism has always only succeeded in concentrating wealth rather than distributing wealth, that is if you call slum living an improvement on subsistence farming or a tract home better than the slums while ignoring the lavish lifestyles of the elites and the entire third world. Trickle down has been a failure since the beginning of time that is now cleverly being blamed on "excessive gov't. interfering with natural processes. If it was going to work, it would have worked by now, gov't interference or not. Economic and political theory fail to account for the wild card, greed. It all looks good on paper but the greed for wealth and power trumps (no pun intended) all the theories. So what is the solution?

Gregory

NY's Speaker of the Assembly, (a D-NYC) has been arrested on major bribery charges. Break out the popcorn:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/assembly-speaker-silver-arrested-report-article-1.2087758

Don Bessee

As the media is trashing Jindal, Breitbart has an article about a brit from Trinidad who is black doing a film on race relations across the world. His experience in Birmingham is chilling. Wonder what shapton would do there? What's really chilling is that its from 11 years ago.

Todd Juvinall

Then we have a push to reopen the plea deal given the Epstein billionaire in Florida. He was getting underage girls for himself and all his important pals. It is alleged Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Alan Durshowitz are among the alumni. Only RT and FOX are reporting this.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 22 January 2015 at 11:24 AM


While I'm pretty sure that I can guess.....what is your solution to the problem of inequality?

Joe Koyote

As I thought.. crickets.. with the exception of fish who used the tried and true Todd response of answering a question with a question. Like I said…. all blame and no solutions..

Todd Juvinall

JoeK, you are not a real person as you use a phony name. Why would we debate with a phony?

George Rebane

JoeK 1124am – Joe, you are again demanding that every comment stream in RR must contain the whole litany – from soup to nuts – of any issue that is discussed and/or revisited. Positions on systemic unemployment, inequality, and redistribution of wealth have been posted here and are a matter of record for you and anyone else to read and critique. You are invited to do that, and then take a specific tenet, proposal, or interpretation of mine to task.

Your socialist position that market driven capitalist economies (your ‘trickle down’ versions) have not benefited humanity over the last two centuries is IMHO incomprehensibly ignorant. It is only capitalism, with its attendant, inevitable inequalities and other warts, that has lifted mankind out its centuries of living lives which were forever poor, short, and brutish. And all that collectivist alternatives have contributed in this interval is hundreds of millions of citizens killed by their own governments.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 23 January 2015 at 10:25 AM


No Joe. The solutions offer here are usually reduce government regulations, reduce taxation, and reduce government spending. So we have tried to at least to present a point at which the argument can start. This is almost countered by a whiny...."why do you want to poison XXXX", ....."why do you want people to live like XXXX", ......."why do you hate XXXX"! We have in the United States more regulation, government intrusion, and taxation than we ever have at any point in this countries existence and yet things "just ain't right"!

So Joe I'll ask you again do you have anything to contribute to the discussion?

fish

...and there would be the Crickets!

Walt

LOL little Joe, Capitalism works every time it's tried. Conservatives are real good at fixing things, just as long as LIBS don't find a way to ham string the situation.
The states where Conservatives regained control from LIBS, things turned around for the better. That's a fact. Ca. is no better off since Moon beam reared his ugly head. Only worse. Yup,, tax and spend is a real winner.
If there less illegals you might have a job.

And speaking of jobs,, It;s the first time I went to work to make a buck and come home owing my boss nearly 2 grand. Our delivery truck was involved in a traffic incident and the asphalt was going bad. Since my place was closer to the truck than the job, I bought the load.(at cost) The boss had the boys pave my driveway with it. ( that part was free)
See Joe? No free lunch. There was give and take here. I got nearly 6 grand in " driveway" , and the boss didn't take it in the shorts, and the trucking Co. didn't have two big boat anchors of asphalt to throw away. They will have to make up the cost of labor that was lost. Yes,, there will be horse trading going on.

Bill  Tozer

Walt, good job. May not have been high on the priority list to get a paved driveway yesterday, but strike while the iron is hot. When opportunity knocks, answer the door.

I been disguised by all this violence being committed by the younger generation from sea to shining sea on a daily basis. Heck, was watching the Alabama/Auburn basketball game yesterday and a big ole donnybrook fight broke out. 3 players were ejected. Yep, women's basketball has come a long way, baby. I yearn for the days of civility, like back in the Bennict Arnold days.

Walt

Ya Bill,, my first thought was to pave the main drag from the Co. road, in as far as the stuff would go. ( only four houses in here) Then I realized the ungrateful bastards that I have for neighbors are all tightwads, and getting a dime out of them to help cover the cost was slim to none. ( I have always graded and maintained the communal drive at my expense)
It was time to be a little selfish. So I said to myself,," Self,, screw'm"..
Done with the JoeK way of thinking. Time to let others do the fixing for a while. They have been reaping the benefits of MY work and contributing nothing.

Wow.. a cat fight on the hard wood.. And I missed it.

Ben Emery

Republicans are embarrassing the USA once again. James Inhofe (Republican) Chair of Environment and Public Works Committee cites the bible AGAIN to prove global warming and climate change aren't being caused by humans.

"There's archeological evidence of that. There's biblical evidence of that. There's historic evidence of that."

"The hoax is that there are some people who are so arrogant to think that they are so powerful, they can change climate. Man can't change climate."

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/01/inhofe-climate-change-bible

We are screwed as a nation and I welcome it. The faster we collapse under our own weight the faster we will be on the road to recovery.

George Rebane

BenE 739am - There is a coterie of scientists who have never accepted quantum mechanics (Einstein was among them) and seek alternative explanations (e.g. many worlds). Would you be inclined to join them if a member of Congress stated that quantum mechanics was true and God's will, since he did not want Man to know anything too exactly in his creation, and a result become sinfully proud of his knowledge?

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emry, you cannot have it both ways. You libs tell us that the Bible is only a historical document and now you are claiming it is "divine". Inhofe is a clear voice in exposing the hoax you believe in. My goodness, he is a hero to many of us who have exposed this hoax to the light of day and who have been subjected to the hate of you "believers". (hopefully he will cut off the grants)

I watched Inhofe for a while the other day and his charts and info was based on science, not "feelings" as you seem to think. So, I am so happy that a man like Inhofe is in charge of exposing the hoax at such a high level in our country. Thank you Oklahoma voters!

fish

Posted by: Ben Emery | 24 January 2015 at 07:39 AM

We are screwed as a nation and I welcome it. The faster we collapse under our own weight the faster we will be on the road to recovery.

Finally.....a point of agreement!

George Rebane

fish 916am - I join in the agreement. But alas, the recovery will be delayed, for we all will want to launch our phoenix in a different direction.

Joe Koyote

Fish 11:40 -- I would tax the shit out of the wealthy (back to 1950's levels when America as a whole was doing quite well) and put Americans to work rebuilding the country's infrastructure, end membership in global corporate schemes like WTO, IMF, NAFTA, CAFTA, TTP and so on, end corporate subsidies and bailouts, end corporate tax breaks that create incentives to move jobs off shore, repeal Citizens United, eliminate the electoral college, limit campaign spending, re-regulate media ownership, stop keystone XL, ban fracking, ban GMOs (patents on food sources is a scary concept especially with Monsanto in charge), reign in the Pentagon, CIA, NSC, etc., recognize that climate change is the most pressing issue in history and do something about it rather than stick our collective heads in the sand, and so on. I could go on, but this should give you all enough fodder to fill these pages with vitriol for the next few days. Have fun getting flustered and angry that those "solutions" you support have never and will never work and over time have made the future look worse not better (vast accumulations of wealth aside, as the current system does very well at that.)

George: The big point you are is missing is that neither the form of capitalism you so vehemently support nor the socialist experiments of the last century have worked to the benefit the planet and its people as a whole, but rather concentrated wealth and power into a very few hands. Power corrupts whether you are a commie or a CEO and those who seek such power are often psychologically broken people in the first place (Hitler, Stalin, Jamie Dimon, Donald Trump.) It is time to try something else, something different.. perhaps a hybrid of mom and pop capitalism with enough government to prevent the plundering and destruction in the name of constant growth and ever increasing profits that is now prevalent. Otherwise the planet is doomed to return to its feudalistic past where the robber barons run the show and everyone but their minions fight over the scraps. This is not the world I want for my grandchildren, do you?

Walt

Yup,, and Liberal Progressiveism is responsible for said collapse.
Way to go Lefties....

Russ Steele

Alas, the going in different directions is the very reason that Nevada County does not have an economic recovery plan. All the Nevada County tribes want to take a different path to the future. You can not get there for here, unless you know where here is. Unfortunately, every tribal council has a different path to here, and we will never get there until we have unity on a future path to a clearly defined goal. As George notes, we will have the same problem with the recovery after the collapse, only on a larger scale than just our little community of tribes. If we cannot solve the problem locally, how could we do it on a larger scale?

Russ Steele

Rewrite:

Alas, the going in different directions is the very reason that Nevada County does not have an economic recovery plan. All the Nevada County tribes want to take a different path to the future. You can not get there from here, unless you know where there is. Unfortunately, every tribal council has a different path to there, and we will never get there until we have unity on a future path to a clearly defined goal. As George notes, we will have the same problem with the recovery after the collapse, only on a larger scale than just our little community of tribes. If we cannot solve the problem locally, how could we do it on a larger scale?

George Rebane

JoeK 944am - Please don't automatically label disagreement with your ideas as "vitriol" - does your vision for society really enjoy such an exalted place in the Pantheon of Truth?

From your past entries in these comments, it is very clear that you have not taken the time to study the "form of capitalism that (I) so vehemently support", so until you do so and then take their specific tenets to task, there is no point in giving you an extended reply. But I do note that you and yours continue using the notion that our form of governance should have some group of elitists with the power to "put Americans to work" rebuilding this or doing the other thing that this group mandates as benefitting a more desirable society.

From my conservetarian perch that is a dangerous mindset common to autocrats and totalitarians of all hues dating back to the days when the pharaoh 'put people to work' building the pyramids. But that seems to be the received wisdom of today's progressive Left.

Ben Emery

Todd,
There are few things in life that a person can give a 100% guarantee but claiming the bible as a book of history is one of those incidents. I 100% guarantee that I(lib) have never as an adult thought of, or claimed, the bible is anything other than a book of stories or fables to help humans try to get through the trial and tribulations of life. The bible is four contradictory stories told from men and two of them who did not live in the time of Jesus. Matthew, one of the men who lived in the time frame of Jesus is the gospel that tells us the teachings of taking care of those in need but oddly enough that seems to be the part of the bible you seem to ignore with your politics. Once again I encourage you and all at RR to read "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible & Why". Spoiler alert, in its translations and hand copied bibles(mainly by semi literate slaves) is where the actual meaning of the bible changes. Most were probably by mistake but some for sure were very wealthy individuals making changes in their copies by choice.

Yes, I have read the bible. As a child attended catechism and have very devout Catholic second parents and family, spent parts of almost every summer of childhood with my second family in Yuba City. I also have Protestant relatives that I am very close with and we regularly talk about faith and religion.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible & Why

https://archive.org/stream/Prof.BartEhrman-MisquotingJesus/BartD.Ehrman-MisquotingJesus_djvu.txt


Here is the bio of the Author
http://www.bartdehrman.com/biography.htm

Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He began his teaching career at Rutgers University, and joined the faculty in the Department of Religious Studies at UNC in 1988, where he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department.

Professor Ehrman completed his M.Div. and Ph.D. degrees at Princeton Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude. An expert on the New Testament and the history of Early Christianity, he has written or edited twenty-nine books, numerous scholarly articles, and dozens of book reviews. In addition to works of scholarship, Professor Ehrman has written several
textbooks for undergraduate students and trade books for general audiences. Five of his books have been on the New York Times Bestseller list: Misquoting Jesus; God’s Problem; Jesus Interrupted; Forged; and How Jesus Became God. His books have been translated into twenty-seven languages.

Professor Ehrman has served as President of the Southeast Region of the Society of Biblical literature and chair of the New Testament textual criticism section of the Society. Among his editorial positions, he has served as associate editor for the Journal of Early Christian Studies, book review editor of the Journal of Biblical Literature, and editor of the monograph series The New Testament in the Greek Fathers (Scholars Press). He currently serves as co-editor of the series New Testament Tools, Studies, and Documents (E. J. Brill), co-editor-in-chief for the international journal of early Christian studies, Vigiliae Christianae, and area editor (early Christianity) for the Encyclopedia of Ancient History.

Professor Ehrman has been the recipient of numerous academic awards, grants, and fellowships, including the UNC Undergraduate Student Teaching Award (1993), the Phillip and Ruth Hettleman Prize for Artistic and Scholarly Achievement (1994), the Bowman and Gordon Gray Award for excellence in teaching (1998-2001), the Pope Spirit of Inquiry Teaching Award (2008), and the Religious Liberty Award from the American Humanist Association (2011).

Professor Ehrman has featured widely in television, radio, and print media, including The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, CNN, Discovery Channel, History Channel, National Geographic, BBC, Fresh Air, Talk of the Nation, The New Yorker, Time Magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. He now lives in Durham NC with his wife Sarah (and dog Billy).

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery, you have my deepest sympathy for your way of life and thought processes. I feel terrible that I am unable to help such a sorry soul.

George Rebane

BenE 1053am - I take it that pounding on the veracity of the bible is an easier task than returning to the point of your main argument and addressing my 753am.

Ben Emery

Walt,
The implementation of Trickle Down Economics and Free Trade Agreements are the main sources of the collapse. The problem we have is the leadership of both Democratic and Republican Party's still believe in both of these ideas. The leadership are the 1% and want to keep it that way without having to pay back into the system that has made them incredibly wealthy.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 24 January 2015 at 09:44 AM


No vitriol Joe.....I asked for an answer and you provided it! It was as I expected .....exactly what I thought I would get.....exactly.


Have fun getting flustered and angry that those "solutions" you support have never and will never work and over time have made the future look worse not better (vast accumulations of wealth aside, as the current system does very well at that.)

Why would I get flustered or angry.....you stand less chance getting of your Peoples Republic than I do of getting my libertarian Disneyland! Of course if you simply can't bear to part with the fantasy you can still book a direct flight to Maracaibo....important travel tip......bring lots of tampons.....I hear they're like gold there.

Walt

Now "Grass Valley" ( emphasis on "Grass") is getting into the dope reality tv game.
I got wind of some inside info. My Grand kid is a (um)" friend " of one of the "cast"?

Maybe they can get me in on this. Always need a "Villon" And what better than a reformed smoker of the herb?

Russ Steele

Agenda 21 right here in Penn Valley.

http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2015/01/24/penn-valley-confronts-agenda-21-packem-and-stackem/

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