Sandbox - 30mar15

[As a surprise to no one save Team Obama and the land's progressives, Iran has finally done what was expected and told us to go pound sand on the major provisions of the oh-so-hoped-for agreement.  gjr]

Comments

[Todd Juvinall]

Iran and Saudi Arabia will be at war soon. The Saudi's will pay a mercenary air strike team to bomb the nuke facilities.

On the last Sandbox we were discussing the proper punishment for drug dealers who sell to children. I support summary execution by firing squad and Paul Emery wants to throw them a party. Kind of a great divide I'd say.

[fish]

Feds sign agreement with Mexico to teach immigrants to unionize in USA...

Really so much more cost effective to just bribe the leaders and have them tell the rabble how to vote!

[Michael R. Kesti]

Todd Juvinall 30Mar15 06:13 PM

...and Paul Emery wants to throw them a party.

There you go again, Todd, demonstrating your lack of class.

[Bill Tozer]

One must never confuse an Arms Treaty with peace nor friendship. The nuke plan with Iran, like so many bright ideas coming down the pike lately, looked and sounded so good both in rhetoric and in theory. Bagdad soon to be the capital of the Persian Empire? Looking that way. Anybody up for a game of 52 Card Pickup?

[joe smith]

MK 19:40 "lack of class"

I touch base with this blog because it gets thoughtful opinion from some extremely articulate and insightful people. Frequently I don't concur with the expressed opinions, but I am open to learning new perspectives and HAVE, on occasion, had my opinions changed by these intercourses. The price for visiting here is wading through the spew that comes from two of the dumbest people I've ever met. Todd and Walt are both too ignorant and/or stupid (or drunk) to even know what questions to ask, much less understand the answers. Their retorts usually bear little resemblance to the conversation at hand - but they are apparently blissfuly unaware. I swear that sometimes they think we are laughing with them rather than at them.

[Todd Juvinall]

Well golly Joe and Mike, you see I have to respect someone before I take their advice. So far a no go with you too. You always go personal and your sense of humor is nowhere to be found. As usual, you only complain about those on the right, never giving the same compliments to the left. So, please, regardless, I do enjoy your faux psychoanalysis and it really doesn't work.

BTW, tell the readers all about yourselves, have you ever been involved in anything that helps others? Probably not.

[joe smith]

TJ 7:01
"As usual, you only complain about those on the right, never giving the same compliments to the left"

I take great pleasure in pricking the pompous left wing hides of the ilk of Pugslie Pelline and Rennet Sebum. It's a community service, if you haven't noticed. I am an equal opportunity offender when it comes to barbing the fringe on either end of the spectrum. Don't feel so special.

Now, back to Yemen. When are we going to inextricably stick our dark fingers into that morass? Who are we going to give (at taxpayer expense) arms? When can we expect the first Americans to be killed with said arms? How much is this worth to Cheney in Halliburton shares?

[Michael R. Kesti]

joe smith 31Mar15 08:50 AM

Name twisting (and name calling of any kind) demonstrates lack of class, too.

[Todd Juvinall]

So Mike you are now complaining the Joe Smith has no class? Do you have any friends?

[Paul Emery]

So Todd zero support from this blog for your death by firing squad for pot selling to minors. The cheese stands alone.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you crack me up. You are too funny.

[Don Bessee]

Joe Smith - The Saudis pay cash for their arms and are putting them to good use as we speak. Having the Egyptians and their Arab partners breaking the back of the new persian empire now instead of later when they have a bomb is a good thing. 0 may have unintentionally done something extraordinary by letting iran run amok and that is to have Israel and the Saudis cooperating on military maters against Iran. London news reports yesterday that just before the strikes on Yemen there was an odd air defense exercise in eastern Saudi Arabia. In this exercise they stood down all military aircraft and shut down a corridor of radar coverage. Then after awhile they surged their fighters in a massive high cover air sweep. It has been observed that would be exactly what would be needed to let the Israeli Air Force strike package pass over the edge of Saudi air space and the shut the door to pursuing Iranian aircraft after the Israeli AF egresses Saudi air space on the way home. The Israelis learned to listen to what their enemies say, a lesson hard learned when everyone ignored hitlers rants and 10's of millions paid the price. Iran says death to America and wipe Israel off the map in just the last few days, take them at their words and act accordingly. Walk away from the nuke talks and double down on sanctions. The world needs nothing the Iranians have thanks to fracking in the US the world is awash in oil. Hey weren't we supposed to run out of oil in the 90's, right those guys moved on to global warming that was going to ruin the world by the turn of the century. Guess they got(Al) Gored.

[drivebyposter]

"How much is this worth to Cheney in Halliburton shares?"

Good heavens what a tired old canard. The underlying idea is of course, that Cheney single handedly started a war so that he could make billions and billions of dollars blowing up brown people and building bases (or at least get as rich as Bill Clinton, a thing he has fallen short on..alas).

A quick homework assignment.

Look up Halliburton's stock price starting in 2001 until the present. Lay the stock price for Schlumberger (a pretty darned pure-play oil service company) over it for the same time period. Marvel at how the charts are practically the same and probably represent some truth about the oil market. Consider the fact that people will gobble up practically any old political meme. Then have a nice glass of cabernet.

[Walt]

Hell Paul,, just put them in the "good thump'n" bracket. ( that's called compromise)
I would love to see you in action when your young Grand kid (maybe Great Grand kid by now)
comes over and show you a joint it got in grade school)

[Paul Emery]

Walt

I believe that MJ should treated as an Adult Beverage with suitable penalties to those who provide and distribute to minors. Firing Squad? Jeez

[joe smith]

When our 20 year old nephew returned from Iraq we threw a party for him and even bought a keg of (gasp) Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Yes, we provided gallons of a drug to someone under age. I suppose Todd would have my wife and I executed for such an heinous, unpatriotic, and illegal act.

[Walt]

No Joe, you case is the exception to the rule.

[Todd Juvinall]

No Joe Smith, I would have come and thanked him and raised a glass.

[Paul Emery]

But if he would have given him pot you would've had him shot right Todd.

[Bill Tozer]

Off topic, but that is why we have the Sandbox. Them evil rich folks are up to their vulgar tricks again.

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/1/8328091/stanford-tuition-financial-aid

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, if it is the law and he gets due process.

[Paul Emery]

The current penalties are what they are But it would be your preference that he would be shot right Todd

[Todd Juvinall]

See my 7:02 AM response.

[Joe Koyote]

Todd -- Would you pull the trigger yourself Todd or would you let someone else who was "just following orders" do it for you? What if the law allowed the incarceration and death by gas chamber for, oh I don't know, what about Jews? Would you gas 5 million of them because it was "legal"? Legal and moral are not the same thing or do your political beliefs blind you to such things as happened in Germany?

[Michael R. Kesti]

Paul Emery 02Apr15 at 08:19 PM

In an article posted Saturday, March 28, 2015 on his blog he lists 10 changes he would make to fix what ails America. He than adds, "In the next round I like death by firing squad to drug dealers selling to children."

The answer to your question is clear enough to me, Paul, but Todd seems unwilling to confirm his ridiculous stance.

[Todd Juvinall]

JoeK, no I think I would have the executioner do the job.

Regarding the Jews in your comments. What does your desire to murder them have to do with selling drugs to kids? You are a sicko.

Kesti, what is ridiculous about executing drug dealers selling their poison to kids?

[Michael R. Kesti]

Todd Juvinall 02Apr15 09:45 AM

I oppose the death penalty. In addition to not wanting the state to kill in my name, I believe that life in prison is a more severe penalty than death.

I also believe that the penalty you propose is incommensurate with the crime to a degree worthy of being called rediculous.

[Joe Koyote]

so Todd, if it is not ridiculous to execute a pot dealer for poisoning kids, what about polluters who poison all of us, should they be executed also. If so you might want to start with the CEO of Monsanto. After all their subsidiary poisoned thousands of people in Bopal, India.

My earlier reference to German atrocities is called an analogy, Todd. That means using something as a comparison to explain or clarify something else. In this case it was to point out that legal doesn't always mean morally correct which you obviously don't have the capacity to understand.

[Joe Koyote]

Oh yeah Todd, Hitler didn't pull the trigger himself either.

[Gregory]

Thank you, JoKe, for your forfeit by the terms of Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Todd Juvinall]

Kesti, Wow! So, My wanting the death penalty is "rediculous" (your spelling) for drug dealers selling poison to our kids because you simply oppose the death penalty. Please review your statement as it appears you are the purveyor of "rediculous".

JoeK, your analogy is ridiculous. It is not very bright of you to use NAZI's and the murder of Jews with the death penalty for drug dealers selling to kids. What is your objection to the death penalty? Or are you and Kesti simply opposed to the death penalty. I can respect that but when you go to the NAZI's you show us what a loon you are.

Rather than debate the position I have taken you seem to want to make some moral equivalency to a CEO or whatever. You are like every liberal when you are unable to debate a point. You change the subject.

[Paul Emery]

Kesti 8:19

Todd has confirmed several times death by firing squad for MJ distribution to minors. Here's an example:

"Sure Paul Emery, my list includes MJ sold to minors. I consider it a gateway drug. Shoot the pushers."

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 30 March 2015 at 12:29 PM"

[Michael R. Kesti]

Todd Juvinall | 02 April 2015 at 10:44 AM

Did you miss my point concerning incommensurate penalty, Todd, or have you chosen to ignore it?

Please accept my sincere apology for my spelling error.

The plural of "NAZI" is "NAZIs", without an apostrophe.

[Todd Juvinall]

Kesti, I accept your apology. As far as not proportionate regarding crime and punishment. It is in the eye of the beholder.

Paul Emery, yes if the law and due process are followed then death by firing squad is appropriate for selling drugs to our kids. I can say it as many times as you like.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Todd Juvinall 02Apr15 11:19 AM

Yes, Todd, whether the crime and punishment are commensurate is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that capital punishment for the crime of selling drugs to minors is a ridiculous idea. The matter of due process is irrelevant because this discussion concerns your opinion concerning appropriate punishment rather than whether that punishment would be legally administered.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

One last time-that includes Marijuana.

[Todd Juvinall]

Both critics, yes!

[Michael R. Kesti]

Todd Juvinall 02Apr15 12:07 PM

I genuinely do not understand what you mean by that, Todd, and would appreciate an explanation.

[Todd Juvinall]

We all have our own opinions. Just like we all have an elbow.

[Don Bessee]

JK 1013 The Bhopal incident was an act of sabotage and not the result of regular business operations. It was a joint operation of Union Carbide and the Indian govt.

[George Rebane]

Following up on DonB's 1241pm, the debate becomes rather shallow when someone has to equate death due to 1) purposive action, 2) accident, and 3) surreptitious criminal act by a third party. Kinda plumbs the depths of intellect, doesn't it?

[Walt]

Well.. Look what the MJ sellers have come up with now.
http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/potent-shatter-marijuana-showing-up-in-lancaster-county/article_9afca540-d922-11e4-b2e6-3b18b2bdef2c.html

Whoever ran the story needs a good "talk'n to". Yup,, it was a GREAT idea to print how to make the stuff. Just wait for this "super stone" to show up here.
( It's only for medicinal purposes of course..)

[Paul Emery]

Lind of like Everclear alcohol. 190 proof 95% alcohol. Available off the shelf at Liquor Barns and other retail outlets.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Walt 02Apr15 06:26 PM

Yup,, it was a GREAT idea to print how to make the stuff.

To put it in terms that you will understand, Walt, their instructions are like describing how to build a dirt road through a forest with, "Cut down some trees, start a D9, and form a road surface where the trees used to be."

Just wait for this "super stone" to show up here.

Yeah, huh? The world, as we know it, will certainly come to an end!

[Don Bessee]

Kesti 802- Its been here for awhile. Remember the fire in Alta Sierra and the house that blew up in Truckee among others? The issue is a focus of our senior Senator Di Fi. Its a problem all over the state. You should get with the Coalition for a Drug Free Nevada County to really know what's happening in your own backyard.

[Gregory]

That does explain the adverts for huge butane gas refill cans sold by the case in a growers magazine I picked up recently... refilling cigarette lighters didn't pass the laugh test. Hadn't heard of this new extractive... something to look forward to in my stoner second childhood golden years, I suppose.

The key item we're still missing... a quick field test to determine ability to drive. A videogame-ish test of reflexes and judgement might do

[Walt]

"The liquid butane is forced through a marijuana bud that has been stuffed in a glass tube. Held vertically, the butane sticks to the resin and drips from the tube. It's then cooked into a solid. A pound and a half of marijuana is used to make about an ounce of "shatter."

A grade school kid could figure out the rest, and with a few bucks can get the needed "plumbing" at the local hardware store.

Or is this the same distillation as "honey oil"? ( just dried)
Yup, hear all the time about those "labs" going boom.

As for your "description",, Yup,, that's just about right. The bigger the rig, the easier it is. It's when he gets to the hill side is when the trouble starts. What's a few skinned trees in the process?

[Michael R. Kesti]

Don Bessee 02Apr15 08:27 PM

No, Don, I cannot say that I recall those events but I'll accept that they happened even without getting with what you think I should.

If you would like to see these events stopped then you should support legalization. Rather than kicking marijuana under the figurative rug of prohibition, legalization would allow us to actually control production, distribution, sales, and consumption in the ways that we currently do with alcohol and tobacco.

There will never be a drug free anywhere and it is time to admit it and deal with it. The war on American people, AKA the war on drugs, has not, cannot, and will never work.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Walt 02Apr15 08:49 PM

To continue the analogy, Walt, the must be figurative hillsides in producing shatter that aren't included in those instructions. What's a few house fires and explosions in the process?

[Walt]

Just how do you propose to do that Kesti?,, We can't control production, distribution, sales, and consumption now. The same issues will arise with taxation.
I can grow plants right now without fear of getting busted. ( personal use of course)
The same would go if I happened to "share" with a friend "in need". ( for a nominal fee)
And for the record (again) I have never sold... ever.
So in your grand plan, good luck taxing that sale, or regulating said production.

So DO explain how legalizing it, is going to make it harder for kids to get. If they want it they can get it right now with NO problem. ( ask your kids. I bet they know someone, who knows someone to get it from.)

[Don Bessee]

Kesti- Why not look at the self reported drug use surveys from the 70's to now before you babble. Weed is usually an ancillary issue on a lesser charge in our world. The incarceration rates now do not support the party line.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Walt 02Apr15 09:12 PM

Of course we cannot control production, etc., today. We call it a "controlled substance" but the only control we have is the figurative kicking of it under the rug of prohibition.

We can grow our own tomatoes but most people just buy theirs at the market. We can also home brew alcohol (for personal use and to share with friends) but few people do. It's just so much easier, and cheaper, too, to buy it at the market. There is every reason to believe that the same would be true for currently prohibited drugs.

I have explained why legalization will make it harder for kids to get drugs as recently as 28 March 2015 at 08:42 PM but I'll tell it again.

Today the production, distribution, and sales are performed by those willing to take the risk of engaging in criminal activities and their high prices reflect that risk. As criminals, they have no motivation to limit their sales to adults. Without the risks prices can be expected to fall after legalization, removing criminals' profit motive. They would be replaced by businessmen who are motivated to keep their licenses to produce, distribute and sell (just as those who now produce, distribute and sell alcohol and tobacco), and would therefore be unwilling to break the law by providing drugs to minors.

[Bill Tozer]

Speaking of supporting the party line, I guess it does make a difference anyhow. Unless
you are one of the 14 people....

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/040215-746221-hillary-clinton-poll-numbers-drop-again-in-key-states.htm

[Michael R. Kesti]

Don Bessee 02Apr15 09:35 PM

I suppose, but incarceration rates are only a few pixels of a much bigger picture. We currently spend about $25 billion per year on the war on a American people that has been waged for over 40 years with very little to show for it.

It is not a valid role of government to protect me from myself by prohibiting me from ingesting some substances. It is a valid role of government to protect us from each other by controlling access to those substances.

[Don Bessee]

No Kesti its about protecting kids from the fall out of your choices. The asa crap from before our kids were even born is irrelevant. Lets speak about our kids and what will give them the best future here and now. You suppose, why not learn the current reality here and in our cities?

[Michael R. Kesti]

Don Bessee 02Apr15 10:16 PM

I spoke about what is best for our kids at 09:47 this evening.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Don Bessee 02April15 10:16 PM

I'm finding myself too bugged about what Don said to let it go, so...

No Kesti its about protecting kids from the fall out of your choices.

And who is protecting kids from the fallout of criminals' choices?

The asa crap from before our kids were even born is irrelevant

I don't recall anybody saying anything about the Americans for Safe Access (ASA) but I don't see how their approach is irrelevant. Seeing as how you brought it up you might want to explain.

Lets speak about our kids and what will give them the best future here and now.

I'm all about giving kids the best future and I don't believe that providing criminals a profitable way to take advantage of them is what is best.

You suppose, why not learn the current reality here and in our cities?

I was inclined to ignore this sarcastic attempt at petty insult but I decided to respond because I feel it is you who has failed to learn from reality. The reality is that the war on drugs has failed and can never succeed. Anybody capable of understanding what happened during the prohibition of alcohol understands that the prohibition of some drugs is no different and that legalization with actual control will alleviate the problems that the prohibition's lack of control has created.

[Joe Koyote]

Gregory--Godwin's law is a total pile of crap and was created to, ostensibly, deflect comparisons to the hideousness of Nazi policies to conservative policies. To cite Godwin as a response is no response at all but an excuse to confront ideological insanity. In this case Todd made the stupid assertion that MJ dealers who sell to minors should be executed, which is no less heinous than executing people because they are Jewish. The point, which none of you seem to care to respond to, and the point of the Nazi comparison is that the Holocaust was "legal" just like Todd's assertion that if it were legal he would support the execution of MJ dealers. My point is that "legal" does not always have a moral equivalency.

Bhopal was not the result of sabotage and seven employees were convicted of causing the deaths through negligence via deferred maintenance. So George's assertion of "shallow debate" that "plumbs the depths of intellect" is just that.. a shallow response that plumbs the depths of intellect. Nice try George, but your response is no less worthless than Godwin's law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

[Todd Juvinall]

No JoeK, Gregory has it right and as usual, you bigoted fascists are caught again. You are just plain wrong as usual. We all see why you have self named yourself a sly dog type creature.

[George Rebane]

JoeK 933am - Instead of summary dismissal of my 245pm, are you capable of giving a material reply?

And can we take your "...the stupid assertion that MJ dealers who sell to minors should be executed, which is no less heinous than executing people because they are Jewish." as a tenet of progressive belief in how 'heinous' should be defined and used?

[fish]

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 03 April 2015 at 09:33 AM

I love it when you go full on Maude Flanders!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

[Walt]

The Hawaiian tan spots from my beach sandals have gone away. ( it took a whole year!)
After tripping over this web page, the itch to go back needs scratching.
http://www.seehawaiilive.com/big-island/big-island-resorts

Gotta love those live feeds. What's REALLY COOL is you can move the camera to diff. points.
This next time, I will let ya' know which web cam you can catch me in.

Sheraton Kona is a good stop.

[Paul Emery]

George

what is the reason you don't condom both as "heinous acts" ? I gave Todd several chances to characterize his statement as sarcastic but he's dead serious. Also what is your threshold of unacceptable characterizations of those who participate on this blog? "Bigoted fascists" used to describe yourself, Fish or Gregory for example would surely result in a quick deletion and condemnation but apparently not when it's used the other way. You can do whatever you want because it's your party but I'm curious what standards you apply to your discretion as to suitable material.

[Paul Emery]

It might be accident genius but I meant to write "condemn both".

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1207pm - Am not sure you really understood my 1017am. Singapore, among other nations, executes drug dealers. These are lawful punishments in those lands and not described, even by the lamestream, as "heinous" acts. If selling drugs to minors is ever deemed a capital crime in the US, then presumably we also will execute such criminals. To equate such due process executions with the Holocaust would be a stretch beyond the breaking point for many Americans including me. However, as I ask, it may be an illuminative value statement describing people like you and JoeK.

Using "bigoted fascists" to describe me and others of my ilk on these pages has never been cause for deletion. However, many here would quickly point out the demonstrated ignorance of such an ad hominem since Nazis believe(d) in big government, central planning, socialism, and state control of major industry sectors.

None of the people here so referenced hold such beliefs, which gives rise to the notion that our readers from the Left have a hard time following most of debating that fill these pages. However, that itself is an important and informative factor of America's polarized political spectrum to communicate to the undecided or middle road readers.

Finally, your comment kinda goes off the rails in your last question about "suitable material", which is hard to connect to what precedes it.

[Walt]

Execution? In reality, Paul should have no worries. We can't even "off" the mass murderers
that are stacked six deep on death row. ( One just died of old age)
Ca. has no more room. ( I guess we can just start setting them free) I guess we can always parole Charles Manson.

[Paul Emery]

First of all George I was referring to the sale of MJ to minors not the sale of other drugs. I am opposed to the death penalty in general for religious reasons but even among those who support capital punishment use of that punishment for that crime would indeed be considered heinous when in reality a bunch of 19 year olds, for example, who distributed MJ to minors were put up against a wall and shot. If that's not heinous I don't know what is.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, George has made your argument look foolish. You are out of your league.

[Todd Juvinall]

A loony Federal judge apparently found within the Constitution the right of an inmate to have us pay for a sex change. I am looking for the Article but so far have not found it. Anyone know where it is in the Constitution?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1235pm - In America executing 19-year-olds for whatever legal reason is neither heinous nor equivalent to the Holocaust for most people. However, your opposition "to the death penalty in general for religious reasons" is to be respected, but it does not serve in any debate as a reason for society to oppose capital punishment. To found such opposition, you have to go beyond your personal values.

As an example, I personally oppose the large scale harm from the consumption of tobacco, alcohol, and drugs. But I cannot and have not used such personal opposition to argue against the legalization of all three substance categories - in fact, on a societal level I support their legalization as argued here for many years. You have a similar obligation when debating the applications of capital punishment.

My 1225pm stands.

[Brad C.]

Todd, that would be Articles XX / XY

[Bonnie McGuire]

Here's the story Todd.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-la-california-inmate-sex-change-20150402-story.html.
It will cost $100,000?

[George Rebane]

JoeK 933am - "Godwin's law is a total pile of crap and was created to, ostensibly, deflect comparisons to the hideousness of Nazi policies to conservative policies."

I am most curious about 1) to what specific "comparisons" are you referring, and 2) how could Godwin's law, which is a probabilistic assertion, "deflect" such comparisons in any way whatsoever. Hopefully you will not employ crickets to explain the matter to us.

[fish]

Also what is your threshold of unacceptable characterizations of those who participate on this blog? "Bigoted fascists" used to describe yourself, Fish or Gregory for example would surely result in a quick deletion and condemnation but apparently not when it's used the other way.

What blog have you been following Paul?

When gentle Ben was still posting his favorite term for most of us was "Authoritarian or Fascist"! Both you and Frisch have called me a racist. Peoples sanity has been called into question. The need for psychotropic drugs charge has been hurled. I've said horrible things about Pelline.....all of them justified by the way. Peoples intelligence has been mocked. Patriotism is routinely denigrated.....and you pick today to complain about decorum?

Go comment at jeffys...it' s so much "safer" there!

[fish]

JoeK 933am - "Godwin's law is a total pile of crap and was created to, ostensibly, deflect comparisons to the hideousness of Nazi policies to conservative policies."

Another nonsensical statement from a troubled nonsensical man.

[Todd Juvinall]

BradC 1:53, that was a good one!

Societies have forever placed into their laws their penalties. As has been said the death penalty to drug dealers is one of them. I think America is severely impacted by illegal drugs and it is undermining our country. Therefore I support the death penalty of drug dealers of those I listed previously if that person sells to kids and is duly tried and convicted. Death by firing squad as Utah has just reinstated is fine with me. If society says MJ is included it doe not bother me one bit.

Bonnie thanks for the link. Did the loony judge tell us where he found the "right" for the taxpayers to pay for it?

[Don Bessee]

Kesti you are parroting the same stuff we heard from dennis perone on 215 and the asa for years like the incarceration issue. The decriminalization of weed and mmj have changed the landscape and we should be having a conversation about the now and the future not what happened in the last century.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Don Bessee 03Apr15 06:21 PM

I am parroting nobody. My ideas may be similar to Perone's and the ASA's but those ideas are the result of considering many sources of information and opinion, and of giving them much consideration.

Yes, let us have that conversation.

I have proposed the legalization and control of currently illicit recreational drugs in ways similar to those we currently control legal recreational drugs such as tobacco and alcohol. What faults, specifically, do you find in my approach?

[joe smith]

Bessee 3/2 12:41 "The Bhopal incident was an act of sabotage and not the result of regular business operations. It was a joint operation of Union Carbide and the Indian govt."

Wow! Did Rennet tell you this or are you starting your own conspiracy theory? An international team investigated the Bhopal incident and found it was caused by corroded valves and worn gaskets that weren't replaced and allowed water to enter the tank. It was an act of neglect that resulted in some number of people going to prison.

[Don Bessee]

Go educate yourself Smith. Even wikipidea has the reports and general facts right. The science only supports the willful act of an individual since the key valve was not corroded and no one could recreate how the water could have gotten into the tank. Way too many details to recite here. You guys and your nc peeps history of the world.

[Louis Wynn]

Actually Don WIKI says nothing of the sort. Thank you for your spwcific take and view of the world, and as usual it's again inaccurate.

We find it rather humorous when you continually talk about the pot issues and how illegal it is, especially when the guy who sells you your pot for the last 8 years, and then you confirm this information (and I doubt you have a recommendation??? LOL!!), so does that make you a criminal too?

Must be hard fighting with yourself?

As to your involvement in: Coalition for a Drug Free Nevada County, or FONA, or The ASPOA, or the Nevada County Court system, all of the groups that you've all gotten continually censured by because of your mouth, so how does this work? Once booted from one group you move to another?

Is there a group that you haven't been censured with yet because of ?????

Inquiring minds want to know.... LOL!!!

[fish]

Posted by: Louis Wynn | 05 April 2015 at 06:17 AM

We find it rather humorous......

"We"?

Only one guy around here who employs pluralis majestatis regularly.

Rumor has it he hates it when people won't use their real names when they post!

[George Rebane]

Well I'm impressed with our readership casually inserting stuff like pluralis majestatis into their copy. Again confirms that we have deeper roots in our culture than we let on in our everyday discourse. Thank you Mr fish for that churchillian riposte - it's only the second time I have seen it used in a conversation in which I can claim to have taken part. Now it will not be the last.

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 April 2015 at 08:21 AM

On this holiest of days trying to properly arrange greater and lesser quotation marks around (...and I shan't attempt it here either) the royal we seemed rather unseemly.

[joe smith]

Besee 4/4 18:08
VERY selective and deliberate misinterpretation of wikipedia. Anyone who would like to check the truthfulness of Don Besee can go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster It will only take a minute. Once again, he has proven himself to be a pathological liar.

[Todd Juvinall]

Joe Smith, you sound like it is personal. What gives?

[George Rebane]

Re the Bhopal disaster, Wikipedia states "The cause of the disaster remains under debate. The Indian government and local activists argue that slack management and deferred maintenance created a situation where routine pipe maintenance caused a backflow of water into a MIC, tank triggering the disaster. Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) contends water entered the tank through an act of sabotage."

Taking Wikipedia at its word, plant was half owned by Indian banks and government agencies who presumably had proportional representation on the plant's board. Were the long-term deferred maintenance infractions as described, then the board would bear an enormous culpability. That was not part of the adjudication, and UCC, the deepest pocket, wound up as the only guilty party and paid all the bills.

[Todd Juvinall]

Here is the "mea culpa" on the Rolling Stone Magazine's big lie. We can see why "journalism" is dead in America. Made from whole cloth. Who do the innocents sue to get their good names back?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-rolling-stone-investigation-20150405-story.html#page=1

[Bill Tozer]

Wow. Calling someone tone deaf is now sexist. I be a male chauvinist Piggie.

http://thehayride.com/2015/03/13-words-about-hillary-clinton-that-apparently-make-you-a-sexist-pig/

[Russ Steele]

You will be fined for taking long showers.

Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) said Californians will face heavy fines for taking long showers.

Brown said, “This executive order is done under emergency power. It has the force of law. Very unusual. It’s requiring action and changes in behavior from the Oregon border all the way to the Mexican border. It affects lawns. It affects people’s — how long they stay in the shower. How businesses use water.”

More HERE.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/05/gov-jerry-brown-californians-to-be-heavily-fined-for-long-showers/

[joe smith]

Bush III has "discovered" he is a latino. Ay Yi Yi!! Will he run as Jorge Planta tres?

[fish]

Will he run as Jorge Planta tres?

Don't know why he would......"planta" is plant......"arbusto" is bush en espanol.