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07 April 2015

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Todd Juvinall

After reading the AP article on the fake gang rape in the Union this morning, I am amazed the author and the press can ever be called "journalists" again.The people the fake article tried to ruin are apparently not the victims of the lie. It is the liar! Jeeze!

George Rebane

ToddJ 1133am - Excellent point Todd. It is sad to again confirm that in the aggregate, journalism has become a profession of self-serving jerks, especially those belonging to today's politically correct cohort.

Paul Emery

I agree George. That's why I was so offended by the slimer Breitbart when he edited video segments out of context in the Shirley Sherrod story

"Andrew Breitbart made a mistake. Based on a two-minute video excerpt of Shirley Sherrod's speech at an NAACP dinner last year, he accused her of practicing racism as a federal employee. He neglected to mention that in the excerpt, she was clearly talking about events in a different job 20 years ago. And when the rest of the video turned up, it proved that her story was about transcending her old racial resentment."


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2010/07/amen_canard.html

George Rebane

PaulE 1240pm - Good pick-up. The Right is not altogether clean here. But I do maintain that such transgressions are what may be termed super-asymmetrical when ideological sourcing is applied.

fish

Gee Paul maybe you were right about the TPP.

How TPP Will Function in Practice?

If this damn thing passes as is, TPP will create an "unaccountable supranational court for multinationals to sue states", precisely what one might expect after five years of secret backroom deals led by Obama.

Here's how it will work.

Obama crammed down a bunch of global warming regulations. To get companies to go along, Obama concocted a supranational tribunal court that would allow every company to sue for lost revenue due to those regulations.

Taxpayers will lose three ways: first on needless regulations, second on corporate handouts to pay for grievances, third for having to pony up for the creation of the new supranational court.

I can smell boondoggles, and this one is massive.

Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/#ZthpYMRFGWocyYpV.99

Oh President Obama....Progressive Warrior.....is there nothing you can't do?

Paul Emery

It is defiantly a favorite among the mainstream Dems and Repubs. Boehner and Obama are arm and arm in this one.

House Democrats Balk At Efforts By Obama, Boehner On Controversial Pacific Trade Deal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/09/trans-pacific-partnership-obama-boehner_n_4570837.html

Todd Juvinall

Regarding "journalism". Paul Emery never seems to slam his brethren on the left but always brings up Breibart. We on the right think any tampering with the truth by anyone is bad and should be punished. Paul Emery and his buds on the left think only a "righty" should be punished. That is why I could care less when he uses Breitbart. Besides, I have had to listen for fifty years all the liberal BS in my news while old Brietbart has been around what? Ten years? And guess who taught him (of course he has died), the liberal Professors!

I don't read Breitbart but his work in exposing the ACORN corruption was simply glorious!

Paul Emery

Todd

I support your critique of Rolling Stone magazine. Do you consider it a right wing media?

Paul Emery


todd

Do you consider Rush Limbaugh to be a legitimate news source? I put him in the same category as Bill Mahar, political comedian.

Todd Juvinall

Rush is a source of information and he does i with humor. Maher is strictly a comedian.

George Rebane

Administrivia - how long will we refuse to acknowledge that 'medium' is the singular of its plural 'media'?

While on this soapbox, I might add that today's improper use of the pronoun 'I' in compound predicates is now endemic - 'Susie told Sam and I about the concert.' To determine whether properly to use 'I' or 'me', just get rid of the other person (here '... Sam and ...'). Then ask if 'Susie told I about the concert.' doesn't frost your external plumbing.

We'll cover the use of the apostrophe in singular and plural possessives in the next edition ;-)

The new crops of English teachers know no better - what are they teaching our kids??? Here on RR, we should set a better example.

Bill  Tozer

With all the challenges we face, why not take a couple of days to act in horror over what some 18 year old college drunken frat boy uttered about Negros. Better yet, let's spend a week gabbing about the hypothetical question of should a pizza joint cater to a gay wedding. My main question on the latter earth shaking development is whether the pizza pies should be chicken garlic, artichoke vegetarian, or tried and true pepperoni? Oh, we live in a complex society.

As for the question of Former Grass Valley Councilman/Former County Supervisor being set up, I think more important questions would be "Did he get caught" and "what did he see and does he know that he saw it?"

Rolling Stone Magazine is another holy grail of the Left. They will face zero fallout. Next up: the Bonnza Market is still selling non-local Gator and Roo jerky. Not why some moved here. Update at 11.

Walt

Paul.. BB is peanuts compared to what NBC (or was it CBS?.. both just as snake belly) did with Zimmerman, and the doctored 911 tapes. A racist behind every tree. I don't believe what BB did caused a riot, caused anyone to be killed. Unlike what fabrications by the same media about Ferguson. MSNBC still has Shakedown Al in their employ. How many deaths has he caused with his protest marches? How many cops are dead? Yup, HE was leading the parade.
But keep taking swipes at BB.

On a side note,, Nice AGW we are having.

Russ

Steve Enos: Lawyer diverts from facts and evidence in Terry Lamphier case

Details at YubaNet: http://yubanet.com/regional/Steve-Enos-Lawyer-diverts-from-facts-and-evidence-in-Terry-Lamphier-case.php?

Walt

Paul likes to slam BB... OK Paul,, where are they wrong?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/07/how-california-went-dry/

Seems they are telling it like it is...

Michael R. Kesti

George Rebane 07Apr15 03:21 PM

As Grammarian Laureate of RR I appreciate and applaud your efforts, George.

While not strictly a matter of grammar, I will add that "arm in arm" is an idiom but "arm and arm" is not.


Walt 07Apr15 03:50 PM

I realize the futility but Andrew Breitbart's initials are "AB" rather than "BB".

Todd Juvinall

I understand what BB is. I think t was PaulE that started that? Anyway, Walt has dug a lot of holes and foundations for many pompus ass people that knew how to spell Oh So Good. Jeeze!

Gregory

Let's remember the great Ernie Kovacs for the observation that TV was a medium because it was neither rare nor well done.

Limbaugh is Op-Ed and entertainment.

Walt

Kesti. "Andrew" isn't publishing from the grave. If you take a CLOSE look at the web address, you won't find "Andrew" in it. You won't find it on the home page either.

Now read the damned story, and show where it's incorrect. ( if at all)

Unlike any given LIB rag news, it doesn't play favorites. When a Repub or the like gets in hot water, no protection or excuses are given.

LIBS are just peeved at BB.com because they expose LIBS and LIB dirty ORG.s forthe world to see.
LIB "gotcha",, has to manufacture it.

As someone says now and then here,, ( I show my progressive side) Well, if BB played by LIB rules once,, SO WHAT?? It was the exception. Not the rule. Have a taste of your own medicine.

Account Deleted

"he accused her of practicing racism"
Actually, she admitted to wilfully and deliberately discriminating against white people in her position as a govt employee. But gee, that was 20 years ago, so she gets a pass. Tell us, Paul - what does Bush get a pass for 20 years ago?

joe smith

English language teachers are discrete from English teachers who speak with an accent. Sorry for being so indiscreet.

Michael R. Kesti

Walt 07Apr15 06:41 PM

Neither "Andrew" nor "BB" occur in the URL that you provided. There is no BB.com (nor, www.BB.com). I can find no occasion of the organization that continues to use the Breitbart name using "BB" in reference to itself. The article that your reference was written by Ben Shapiro, so there is no "BB" there. It seems that your use of "BB" is as arbitrary as your punctuation.

Shapiro's article is fine but he does commit one logical fault. After pointing out that Governor Brown's plan to save 490 billion gallons of water is insignificant compared to the 11 trillion gallon shortfall that results from the drought he goes to great length to belittle the EPA and the state for using 150 billion gallons in their efforts to support the Delta Smelt. If 490 billion gallons "barely touches" the problem then it seems that 150 billion gallons might not touch it at all.

Gee, that medicine didn't taste so bad.

Walt

OH.. Excuuuusseeeee ME!!!! I guess a little short hand here goes WAY over your head.
Yup,, we really need to spell it out for ya'. So here ya' go. http://www.breitbart.com/
Do ya' need me to click the mouse for you too?

My mention of 80% of the states usable water gets sent out to sea and not stored fell on blind eyes. Yup that LIB water conservation for ya'.
Sacramento needs to make a choice. Water for the people, or water for bait fish.

Then there is the new problem. What to do with all the illegal farm workers? there are going to be less crops to pick. The LIB constituents and special internist will have to find new excuses to keep the boarder flood flowing.
A maid for every motel room?

Todd Juvinall

Read Bernard Goldberg's take on the Rolling Stone liars party. I sure would like to see Paul Emery do an in depth article on this as well. But we have to settle for his "I too did not like it" kinda crapola.

http://bernardgoldberg.com/what-the-media-left-out-of-the-phony-rolling-stone-story/

fish

Hey.....looks like Mish cracked the code!

Disability Deal Explained

If Democrats give enough free benefits to enough people, no one can ever vote them out of office.


Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/#ohWjpc3loG8hQ2sr.99

Walt

Rolling Stoned will need Depends by the time the lawsuits are done. From the frat houses to the school, there is a line at the court house to file suit.
Yes Sir,, the LIB motto of "lean forward" ( and grab your ankles) will apply.
LIB news sure has made a name for themselves.... " The news that can't be trusted."

Russ

If the Russians cracked the White House servers, do you think they cracked the code on Clinton's private e-mail server? The Climategate e-mails came from a Russian server. I wonder if we will see a dump of Clinton's e-mail like we saw in Climategate? That might be the end to the 2016 campaign for Mrs Clinton.

Bill  Tozer

Walt, it all depends what the maids look like. Once nailed the door shut from the inside in a desert motel just to keep maids out.

Obama said, and I quote, "If Iran cheats, the world will know." Wow. We already know. Think our President has a big soft spot for Iran. Didn't the woman behind the curtain (the lovely Valerie Jarred) once live in Iran?? She might be the one whispering softly in his ear that Shitte Iran good, Israel and Sunnis bad. Just speculation on my part. Pitting Suadia Arabia and is new coalilition of those that cannot take America at its word or trust Obama against Iran might be a good strategy. We provide air over for Iranian troops in Iraq and leave Iran's proxy Syria alone. Chalk one up for Putin and two up for Iran.
Never could figure out the woody Obama has for the "moderate Muslim Brotherhood" and why we backed them against Egypt's President. Maybe because my Pappy and Grandpappy did not teach me about the marvelous virtues of Da Brohood. Didn't work out so good for Da Obama backed Brohood in Cairo and now Egypt is turning to Putin for aid and trade. Looks like we lost another ally in the Mid East. Our operations in Yemen complete with Obama's victory lap did not stabilize that country either. Oppps, Yemen is a proxy state of Iran. I see the big picture now. It's Iran versus our former allies as we lead from behind. Obama diplomacy makes strange bedfellows.

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1428462722./928365570527350/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1428463100./10152902544780914/?type=3&theater

Ok, back to the dusting of snow, Terry repeatedly hitting the wrong key, and that couple that wants pizza toppings on the cake before consummating holy matrimony. Yes, and most disturbing is Bonanza Market is unfortunately still selling non-local tuna fish and Buffalo Jerky in broad daylight on Broad Street of all things! Woe am I. Alas, where are the owners' Frisco Values? We live among strange people indeed.

Michael R. Kesti

Walt 07Apr15 08:18 PM

Your claim that "80% of the states usable water gets sent out to sea" feels like an exaggeration. Can you provide reference to data that supports it?

Don Bessee

Kesti, why don't you provide data to refute? Fish 822, DUH!

Michael R. Kesti

Don Bessee 07Apr15 09:16 PM

Well, Don, because it was Walt who made a claim without reference to supporting data. I would like to believe that he didn't just pull this out of the last half-inch of his digestive tract and, if he didn't, might be able to support it.

I'm curious why you haven't responded to my comment of 03Apr15 08:45 PM in the "Sandbox - 30mar15" thread. Did you, after indicating that you wanted a conversation, decide you have nothing to say?

Walt

That number comes from a state Representative. It was stated just last week for everyone to hear ( that would be TV and radio ) Try paying attention to what is being said, instead of listening to rap music.
Now do some fact finding of your own. Or do you need help with that too? You have evidenced above some things are above your logic spectrum.

Jon

Kudos to Kesti for correctly (and courageously) calling out the typically blustering Walt. Not a chance that 80% of the water goes out the Golden Gate. No chance. Hey boys, is Walt a sacred cow in the intellectual arena of ideas because he used to move dirt for a living? The man cannot write the English language, makes mostly nonsensical and irrelevant posts to the topic at hand.

Jon

Got it. A politician said it was 80%. Must be true~

Todd Juvinall

Just Googled a few words and came up with this link. Seems we get 71 million acre feet on average with 1983 at 140 million or so and 1977 at 15. Looks like the eco freaks get the majority.,

http://www.water.ca.gov/pubs/dwrnews/california_water_facts_card/waterfactscard.pdf

Jon, Walt is a much better man than you. Accept it.

Michael R. Kesti

Walt 07Apr15 09:51 PM

Yes, Walt, I would like some help with that, thanks. Supplying just that state representative's name seems not too much to ask of one so very attentive as are you.

Don Bessee

Kesti, your failure to really engage is what it is. Bringing something factual to the table to refute us beyond the lameo lines is on your back sir.

Michael R. Kesti

Don Bessee 07Apr15 10:30 PM

What I hear you tell me, Don, is that you are unable to refute my ideas and that personal attack is all that you have.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/05/agreeing-to-disagree/

Jon

Ironically it was Walt who recently pointed to the virtuous and principled Breitbart organization as a bastion of intellectual honesty, no matter what the politics of the subject or subject matter. Hours later he's buying into a more-than-dubious, redmeat stat spouted by an obvious conservative politician with clear purpose in mind. Nice going Walt. We got ya.

Account Deleted

fish at 8:22 - Mish has it right, but the sad thing is he's just pointing out a basic truth that should be obvious to every one.
I'd love to have the Fed clarify their stance on that yearly 2% inflation rate. Is that a 2% rate of economic growth or just a balloon of money being inflated?
And if there is no inflation now, as they insist, why are the govt workers getting raises?

George Rebane

ScottO 753am - When govt workers' raises have nothing to do with the inflation rate, it is because our scumbag electeds caved to their unions and agreed to such raises no matter how low the inflation rate. The unions, like the Devil, promised to sell peace now and get paid for it later. The scumbags like such deals because they get the political benefits immediately, and are nowhere to be found when the bill comes due. And the kicker is that the current scumbags can claim innocence since the agreements didn't happen on their watch. Such a deal for the taxpayer.

fish

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 08 April 2015 at 07:53 AM


It should also be noted the furious pace at which both the State of California as well as the feds are rushing to import and award goodies to non-citizens. I guess it's just good marketing to establish favorable customer outreach in advance of a customers (future voter) decision to purchase (...vote for the democrats!).

fish

Looks like somebody is lobbying for consulting dollars........


“There must be national policy and national law on policing,” Mr. Sharpton said. “We can’t go from state to state, we’ve got to have national law to protect people against these continued questions.”

Read more at http://observer.com/2015/04/al-sharpton-calls-for-fedeal-police-laws-after-south-carolina-killing/#ixzz3Wk5pGd3n


The video is horrible though.......looks like after whiffing on the Mike Brown and Eric Garner cases this is a legitimate abuse case.

George Rebane

re fish 1110am - Yes, the Charleston shooting was totally unwarranted, and really unbelievable unprofessionalism by a trained policeman. However, it does play into the hands of the anti-federalists as the last card added to the stack of previous police shootings that have been properly mitigated and extenuated. But this last card will now be used to characterize the entire stack of such shootings.

The progressives' goal is to implement a national democracy which will then quickly revert to the centrally planned and controlled country that has been their long-term objective. This is the real sought for 'fundamental transformation of America'.

Walt

How many lies will LIBS allow "O" to keep telling? He just told us how GREAT a deal he cut with the ragheads of Iran with nuke proliferation. Seems he holds one hand out to us, while using the other to give a reacharound with the other.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/08/obamas-historic-iran-deal-falls-apart-as-mullahs-rev-up-high-speed-centrifuges/

If the LIBS had a lick of sense God gave geese, they would understand those lunatics will use a nuke the minute they build it. Be it here or Israel.

It goes to show LIBS are not as "anti nuke" as they used to be. I guess that was only fashionable when Repubs were in control.
Now,, "it's only fair that Iran has a nuke."...

Jon

Hey Walter, do you realize the details of the deal have not yet been worked out? There is no deal Walt- repeat- no deal yet. The President said any deal would need to contain an intense level of inspections and ongoing verifications of sites, which are known to Israel and the US. Think the Israeli's don't know all the sites? President has repeatedly made the point that its better to know whats going on than not know whats going on? Or would you prefer to bomb a third of the nation of Iran pre-emptively, and do it several times to make sure we get all the material and technology? Do we send in ground troops there as well, to accompany the US troops you want in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan?

Walt

LOL!!!! You probably didn't even listen to his speech. If you did you would have heard "what a great deal we have struck". You can find it on youtube.

Then there is the fact that "O" threatened to shoot down Israeli fighter jets if they dare attack Iran's nuke sites. ( Yup,, you missed that too)

OOHHhhh.. BTW.. Then there is the fact that "O" feels he can go around Congress (again) with this (ha) agreement. Ya' might want to look into that too.

George Boardman

Re Dr. R at 11:25 a.m.:

For a man who believes little the government says, you are quick to accept the assurances of police that they're justified every time they pull the trigger.

The Charleston shooting was beginning to sound like every other one of these cases: The cop feared for his life, what appeared to be a weapon was found at the victim's side, the cop followed proper procedure.

Then the video surfaced, and this all turned out to be a lie.

This is somewhat analogous to the death penalty, where we were assured for decades that extreme care was taken to make sure innocent people weren't executed. Then DNA came along and we discovered all kinds of innocent people on death row.

Do I believe most police shootings are justified? Yes. Do I think some are criminal acts that are covered up? Yes.

If you are going to be skeptical of what officials tell you, at least be consistent.

Account Deleted

Sorry - I should have clarified that I wanted to hear from those that think it's great that govt workers get raises even though there is no inflation. GR and fish spilled the beans with the secret we're not supposed to know. Shhhh!
Here's the situation even when there was a 'salary freeze'.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2013/04/09/despite-salary-rate-freeze-average-federal-salary-rises/
And remember, that's just the salaries. I'm sure the bennies push it past $90,000 for total comp. Compare that to the average non-govt worker that pays for the govt worker. As always, your mileage will vary.

Jon

Walt, stop reading the extreme right wing media bites and pay attention-then CALM DOWN. The US is not going to be shooting down any Israeli jets, now or in the future.

Walt, ready? There is a framework of a deal. Memo of Understanding. Do you know what that is? Lots of steps to yet be taken, lots of details to be hammered out, and yes, perhaps the fight with Congress to come. If there was a signed, sealed and delivered deal, wouldn't you imagine Boehner and McConnell would be in court right now?

fish

Posted by: George Boardman | 08 April 2015 at 01:33 PM

Not sure how you get this.....

"For a man who believes little the government says, you are quick to accept the assurances of police that they're justified every time they pull the trigger."

From this....

"However, it does play into the hands of the anti-federalists as the last card added to the stack of previous police shootings that have been properly mitigated and extenuated. But this last card will now be used to characterize the entire stack of such shootings."

The usual suspects tried to turn the Micheal Brown case into a cause celeb for the point George makes and eventually failed when the physical evidence didn't support it. They tried again with the Garner case although they had to be careful given the fact that Garners only "crime" was depriving the state of revenue.....paltry at that.

I think George is saying that this instance will be used to paint over the failings of the other two recent cases while still lumping them in with this obviously "bad shoot".

Jon

Any reasoned person cannot quibble with the Brown case as it turned out. Way to murky to make it a criminal case against the cop. Garner- definitely not properly mitigated. Most people watching that one think at least some type of indictment should have come down- maybe not murder. But to think the Charleston case is an isolated incident is pure fantasy. There are unfortunately plenty more bad-to-the-bone, trigger happy cops out there who want to kill people who disobey them. Some act out on that desire.

joe smith

Todd 18:17
You are a case in point where a little knowledge is dangerous. What you don't see (or don't admit to knowing) is that MOST of all those acre feet of "environmental" water are subsequently used for M,I, R and Ag purposes. Case in point: the Upper Yuba River has dictated "environmental" flows to keep the fish happy. Once that water enters Bullard's Bar or Englebrite it is no longer deemed "emvronmental" and the deck gets re shuffled in terms of allocated use. If you want to rail about about how much water the environment gets, you can quickly gin up some pretty big numbers, but the vast majority of that water is not lost to other purposes.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 133pm - how you deduce from my 1125am that I "accept" that police are justified "every time they pull the trigger", and that my skepticism of government pronouncements is inconsistent boggles my ability to follow your path to such conclusions. Could you please give us a hint?

Re Jon's 155pm responding to the correct interpretation in fish's 147pm - who here has stated that "the Charleston case is an isolated incident"? Jon seems to have information on the relative frequency of "bad-to-the-bone trigger happy" cop killings out there that he should share with us. Is this another incidence of liberal prescience wherein they know what we really think?

Todd Juvinall

Joe Smith 2:05 pm. Sorry Joe you can't count the water more than once and you are way out in the ozones on that one. Read the chart first and maybe you will learn. It is from your Water Board for goodness sakes.

The cop shooting the fellow running away is the real deal. Each shooting of a gun by a police officer is handled individually in America. Cop shoots gun, cop goes on paid leave, Internal Affairs checks it all out. Yes sometimes a bad person/cop gets away with murder but it is truly rare. 461 felony suspects in 2013 HERE is the link.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/11/police-killings-hundreds/18818663/

114 Police Officers were killed in the line of duty in 2013. Here is the chart from the inception of the country on Officers deaths. Over 20,000 total.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

The officer who killed the suspect in South Carolina will be charged for murder it appears. If the video is correct then he should face the death penalty.

Todd Juvinall

Oh and GeorgeB I copied this line from the FBI report for 2013.

"In 2013, of the 49,851 officers assaulted while performing their duties, 29.2 percent were injured."

That is a lot of violence against the cops would you mot agree?

George Boardman

Re Dr. R 2:22 p.m.:

I come to my conclusion when I read phrases like "previous police shootings that have been properly mitigated and extenuated."

How can you be so sure? After all, we have the police investigating the police. Who reviews their findings? The district attorney, who needs their cooperation to get his job done.

If the video hadn't surfaced, you'd be defending the cop in the Charleston shooting.

Jon

Dr. GR, there is virtually no hard data out there on shootings involving police, as this article points out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/09/us/us-has-limited-data-on-shootings-involving-police.html

We have recent studies from the Justice Dept regarding discriminatory police practices around the nation, as well as (where the data does exist) an impossibly high percentage exhoneration rate of police who use deadly force. In the entirety of the US police force, yes there are other bad apples out there. Rare in many communities, less rare in others is also my conclusion.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 244pm - My confidence in government reports not backed by verifiable data has always been qualified. Your calling to question my "properly mitigated and extenuated" statement neither bears on nor supports your 133pm charge that I perfunctorily accept police innocence every time they kill someone (fortunately you may check through eight years of records on this question).

Most of us familiar with the operation of police departments know that there will always be rogue cops who carry in their kit bags packets of plantable drugs and even a 'throw-away' (untraceable handgun) that should be in the evidence locker. In such cases we truly are at their mercy. If you have data on the relative frequency of such outlaw police, again please share.

And if it's just a gut feel, what then do you suggest we do in response to the recently reported police killings, paint our signs to gather at the Rood Center with our pitchforks and torches?

Jon 302pm - Agreed about the availability of data, but have a problem with your "impossibly high percentage exoneration rate". What is it about this rate that makes it impossibly high when we consider that such shootings take place in a biased population of victims that overwhelmingly self-select themselves to be in these encounters?

Michael R. Kesti

George Boardman 08Apr15 02:44 PM

After all, we have the police investigating the police.

In order to prevent the obvious flaws in having the police investigate themselves, it is one of the functions of grand juries is to investigate crimes that may have been committed by the police. Cases of police shootings are very often the subject of grand jury investigations.

If the video hadn't surfaced, you'd be defending the cop in the Charleston shooting.

That must be yet another example of liberal prescience.

Jon

Of course those Grand Juries are fully objective, unbiased bodies...

Walt

My own Uncle was killed in the line of duty, when the piece of human filth got close enough to take, and shoot him with his own weapon. Just because the vermin didn't want to go to jail for a midnight robbery of two bottles of booze.
Today, cops are targets thanks to the likes of Sharpton, and "O" even added fuel by attacking cops. More than once. Don't forget the march's down the streets openly wanting the shooting police. In the last year at least 4 officers have been killed, thanks to "protests". Many more have been injured. Yes, cops are being targeted, and some wonder why they seem to be more quick to use their gun.

Michael R. Kesti

Jon 08Apr15 03:37 PM

Of course those Grand Juries are fully objective, unbiased bodies...

I imagine that most are but, being staffed by human beings, they are subject to corruption just as any other aspect of the criminal justice system and, for that matter, all of society. One way to help ensure their objectivity is to participate by volunteering to serve. The more people involved the harder it is for corruption to prevail.

Or are you suggesting that it would be better to have the police investigate themselves?

George Rebane

Jon 337pm - Given that level of unqualified distrust, you and Mr Boardman seem to be calling for a complete makeover of our governance, at least at the local levels. If so, that itself is a fertile field of debate if not discussion. As you may know, I have for some time cited the reasons for asserting that we are beyond the tipping point where return to the old ways of 'doing business' is not possible. Now, more significant national voices are coming to the same conclusion and weighing in with important essays on the matter (which we will continue covering here). Under a more appropriate posting, I look forward to reading of your counsel as to where we should go from here and how we will get there.

Todd Juvinall

Golly I gave two links to the 2013 facts on police shootings etc and yet the Jon and others still say there are no facts.

Todd Juvinall

Also for GeorgeB and "Jon" etal. I don't give the cops all the breaks since I was personal friends (still am) of Grady Jones. That fiasco was something that should only happen in Albania for goodness sakes.

joe smith

TJ 14:30
Todd - When water is diverted from the Sacramento River into a rice field the allocation is based on the water rights of said rice grower. Right? Can we agree that this is an "agricultural" water allocation?

At the end of the rice season the rice water is drained back into the Sacramento River. What used to be ag water now becomes available for use as "environmental" water for, say, endangered species. Maybe YOU don't like the "environmental" name, call it anything you like, but this is what DWR calls it.

The same thing happens every time you flush your toilet into a sewage system, treated and sent out the other end. It stops being a "municipal" allocation and is re-allocated according on the next water right's holder downstream. And to answer your question, yes, the same gallon of water can be re allocated many times; the black and white stats from DWR can be very confusing to someone of your intellect and education. That's why water law is a thriving industry. That's why California's annual water allotment is several fold that of what falls from the sky.

Jon

George and MK, I think the point is that the Grand Jury system is an obvious closely aligned arm of the DA, who in turn is closely aligned on a daily basis with the local Police agency. Human nature regarding the relationship. Police shooting matters should be investigated by a State entity, not a local one.

Jon

Congratulations Walt. You just had to go where even Todd refused to go today (to his credit), giving that murdering cop a convenient excuse to murder an unarmed human being in cold blood, execution style. Nice. Not surprising given the tone of your other posts.

Give Todd full credit on that issue, and with his intense obsession with the death penalty, even proposing capital punishment!! for a conviction of the cop- which I believe would be a first in American history. I would prefer to see that cold blooded creep rotting in prison the rest of his life. If you saw the video of his closed-circuit appearance on the initial charges, he looked and acted like he was being booked for a traffic violation. Doesn't seem to have much of a conscience, much less a heart.

Don Bessee

Jon- State entity? Such as what, an elected politician called the attorney general? Boy that joe smith sure sounds like someone we know.

George Rebane

Administrivia - regarding the discussion of CA's water squabble, there is an excellent piece on the topic that I posted on 6 April - 'California's Drought and Moonbeam Madness'.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/04/californias-drought-and-moonbeam-madness.html

For a coherent debate on the topic that will be easy to reference in the future, I would recommend that relevant comments be posted under that piece instead of being sprayed all over the place, especially in topic-free sandboxes. Capice?

fish

Now this is just sad......JoKe is all out of his Victory Gin and apparently is into the Pruno.

Joe Koyote says:

April 9, 2015 at 10:23 am

This seems to coincide with a resurgence of neo-nazis throughout Europe. Probably a similar scenario, disgruntled people who blame government and immigrants for their deteriorating economic and social situations. Tensions heightened by immigrants seeking “a new life in a modern democracy” and social asylum from their countries of origin only to find unfriendly and often hostile locals (The U.S.’s child immigrant situation speaks well to this). Add to that the heightened tensions from police activities like gunning down unarmed “suspects” who most often are people of color being shot by white police officers and you have a very volatile situation where emotions run high as people are forced to chose sides. Racism apparently is the easiest “string de jour” for the propagandists to plunk, especially during hard times when there is heavy competition at the lower end of the social spectrum for the remaining crumbs. Nazism rose up out of the Great Depression with the promise of wealth and glory through racial domination.

Just look at the American rustbelt and South… highest poverty rates in the country, lowest education rates, lowest government spending on public works and needs, failed political agendas like austerity, etc. Austere Kansas will have to close its schools early this year because of a lack of funds. Of course the major architects of Kansas austerity, the Koch bros. will take home tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies at the expense of children’s educations. It is no wonder people are angry. Unfortunately their anger is being channeled at the wrong villains.


....and JoKe......what do you have against neo-nazis.......the Obama administrations State Dept is cuddled up with "Right Sector" in Ukraine as we speak!

George Rebane

fish 133pm - where did you pull out JoeK's 1023am; I can't locate such a comment on RR?

fish

I went fishing at jeffys.

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 09 April 2015 at 01:39 PM

It was such a delicious example oh ProgThink I had to post it. The only thing he left out was the phrase, "government is the thing we all do together".

Jon

I did notice no one tried to debate the facts presented by JoeK re: Kansas and everything else in his second paragraph. Just a personal attack with no merit.

JoeK's post was spot on. He nails it.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 09 April 2015 at 07:39 PM

Hi jeffy.........!

fish

In case there was any doubt about why the importation is being so vigorously pursued by the democrats!

Minting future voters one ICE bus load at a time!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/09/immigration-activists-to-train-community-navigators-in-exec-amnesty-path-to-power/

Don Bessee

Come on 'jon' lets talk about the negotiating skills of 0. When the French and the senatorial dems are rejecting the obamanation you suck up harder sooo well. He whos name we shall not say or some other asa miscreant? Hmmmmmm...... OH I know Hide Hall!

Jon

Say what?

Joe Koyote

Little fishy the carp has now taken his trolling to a new level… stalking other blogs and reposting them here hoping for cheers and high fives from his compatriots for his clever comments. His obsession with all things Koyote borders on psychosis. Get some help Carp while you still can.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 10 April 2015 at 09:20 AM


Thank you for your concern JoKe but I'm fine.....and lets be honest there is plenty of reading other blogs and commenting elsewhere. Haven't you been paying attention?

I thought you were proud of your "Two Minutes KochHate" you posted it in a semi public venue.

Jon

Obsessed, and unable to refute a single thought of your most pointed essay. Love it when the points are so sharp and factual that there is nothing they can debate. We saw not a single comment on the issue you raised, only the old reliable right wing chestnuts - those damn "libs", other bloggers, the French, Senate Dems, O, the French, and a drunkenly misspelled Heidi Hall. Missing however in the debate was Benghazi and enviro wackos.

How about debating what JoeK said?

fish

Posted by: Jon | 10 April 2015 at 09:50 AM

Because we've already debated JoKes (and Bens, and Don Peltons...and on and on) "points" before numerous times. JoKes post was just more of the same canned bilge that is regularly found at any of the usual progderp servers.

It was just such a textbook example that it tickled me! As formulaic as a Haiku.

Jon

OK, so do you approve of tax breaks to multi-billionaires while massive cuts to schools make them close early? Do you acknowledge that is happening in Kansas?
It is.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 10 April 2015 at 10:05 AM

I'm generally in favor of tax breaks for everybody. We already know that the "hated rich" pay the bulk of the taxes in this country....and frankly I'm not terribly impressed with what I'm seeing emerge from the public schools in this country anyway.....maybe not being imprisoned in the states indoctrination factories any longer than absolutely necessary would be a benefit!


fish

Hey boys....as timely as todays comment thread!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384

Jon

thanks for honesty fish. Nice to know you're in favor of ripping the heart out of our nation's public school system. Kansans with children in school may beg to differ. Best of luck to any Republican Pres candidate with that strategy in 2016!

Todd Juvinall

I too agree with fish that tax breaks should be afforded everyone. After all isn't this America? I suggest "jon" review the per pupil expenditures here in America with the rest of the planet's countries and then tell us if money is really a good tool for a good education. My guess is he will not comprehend the big picture but I can still hope for his enlightenment.

Todd Juvinall

Here is a CBS report from 2013. For all you "spend more" people.

"The United States spent more than $11,000 per elementary student in 2010 and more than $12,000 per high school student. When researchers factored in the cost for programs after high school education such as college or vocational training, the United States spent $15,171 on each young person in the system — more than any other nation covered in the report."

fish

Posted by: Jon | 10 April 2015 at 11:55 AM

Your welcome jeffy......err...... "jon"! Anything I can do to clear up these matters for you!


psssssst......i'm not a republican......

Jon

Who said you were a Republican fish? I wished their candidate and party good luck with a plank of dismantling the public school system in America. They will talk a tough game to their base, and when push comes to shove will never go there. Like every other issue they will huff and puff about in the primary. Most will be de-emphasized in the general.

Todd Juvinall

As a Republican all I can say to "jon" is What a hoot! We kicked your butt three straight elections and we are trying to fix the mess you made destroying the education system in America. We will fix your mess.

fish

Best of luck to any Republican Pres candidate with that strategy in 2016!

Ah my mistake. Since you included it in your response to my earlier comment I thought you were implying that I was a Republican.

Retracted.

Jon

Todd,
You and Walt have an embarrassingly poor record of basic math. Which 3 straight elections might that be? Please list them in order. Or is that new Republican Math?

Todd Juvinall

Golly "jon" were you here for the Tea Party victories on a massive scale in 2010? Or the Congressional of 2012? Or maybe just last November 2014? You are an embarrassment to the libs for your utter ignorance. Can you count? Really?

Jon

2012, really Todd? Do tell more about the Repub pickup of Congressional seats that year! And then tell us about the Senate and Presidential.

Todd Juvinall

We picked up a couple os Senate seats in 12 and finished the route last year. We picked up 63 seats in the House in 2010 and now we have over 70. Sure you kept the Exec but that will end in 2016. Never static, always moving. You dems are stuck on stupid for supporting Hillary. A throwback to the past.

Jon

Sure Todd.

Upon further review-in 2012,

Repubs LOST 2 net Senate seats.
Repubs LOST 8 net House seats.
Romney LOST by 4% (5 Million votes) for President.

Why do you continually embarrass yourself with your political pronouncements?

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