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07 April 2015

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Jon

by the way, am not happy with Hillary uncontested. Not at all.

Todd Juvinall

So go get a challenger for her.

Jon

I also hope the Republicans end up with someone other than Jeb Bush, both for their own sake, as well as the nation. But not optimistic. Bush is going to end up being another Romney, with a history of evolving positions to be pounced upon like red meat. But will be interesting to watch, like a car crash, as Bush's team batters the young Rubio into submission. The young former protégé of Mr. Bush is way out of his league going up against that battle tested Bushie team of pols and their money. Really poor decision for Rubio to jump into the race now, after Paul and Cruz got the jump.

Todd Juvinall

I am supporting Walker and have already donated to his campaign. He is a strong executive and he is rational and not mealy mouthed like others in the past. But, if push comes to shove and Bush is the nominee, he is still a world better than Clinton or any other liberal democrat

Don Bessee

ooooh bushie team, another tell.

Jon

yeah, a tell. A big fat tell...

Russ Steele

California is not the only state with Counties that want to secede from a political machine that is run by liberal Democrats:

But what is the solution? There have been debates raging for years in the Empire State about finding some way to split off New York City as its own state or allowing portions of upstate to secede and sign on with somebody else. But as long as the cities hold the numerical edge on the votes in the state government, there’s not much that anyone can do. It’s a culture war over a way of life and the economic realities of wildly different societal climates. And there’s no end in sight.

More can be found here: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/11/its-not-red-state-vs-blue-state-its-city-vs-country/

George Rebane

RussS 855pm - Yes, and NY state is not the only other state that has a similar divide between the interests of its metropolitan and less populated regions. It is simplistic to believe that such separation movements will not grow as 'democracy' rears its head in statewide elections that the more rural regions have no chance in making themselves heard.

fish

Taxing more, spending more, and yet still running bigger deficits. It must be all good..... Krugman says so!

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/cbo-feds-taxing-more-spending-more-running-bigger-deficit-2015

Russ Steele

Think any of the lame stream press would ask this question of Hillary?

ROGER SIMON: My question for Hillary, shamelessly stolen from a tweet I can’t find now: Do the underage girls held as sex slaves on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island that Bill visited feel “empowered” by Hillary’s candidacy?


Account Deleted

from Daily Kos -
"A total of 111 people were killed by police in the United States in March of 2015. Since 1900, in the entire United Kingdom, 52 people have been killed by police.

Don't bother adjusting for population differences, or poverty, or mental illness, or anything else. The sheer fact that American police kill TWICE as many people per month as police have killed in the modern history of the United Kingdom is sick, preposterous, and alarming."

Get that? The left openly tells us not to correct for reality - just
post raw numbers and go for it. Police brutality is a real problem and needs to be monitored, but this is just stupidity squared. They are actually proclaiming that throwing numbers at the wall prove stuff.
It would be nice if some one from the left could show up here and argue from a basis of reason and facts, but I'm not holding my breath.
Since we're not allowed to 'correct' for ANY reason, let's look at the numbers for black crime rates in the US and black on black crime. Also, let's compare black against white rape, murder and assault vs white against black for the same crimes.
The lefties are now running for the exits.
Crickets can be deafening, what say you?

Jon

Police are held to a higher standard. If cops keep brutalizing innocent, unarmed civilians, this issue will never go away. Video records it all today.

Gregory

Historically, the British criminal classes have not been ones to assault their police, which makes for a more genteel game of cops and robbers. That has been changing, slowly.

Account Deleted

Jon and Gregory - Of course we need to watch for police brutality and call it out when it occurs. And of course the comparison with the Brits is absurd.
My point was that the left just wants outrage about what ever they are harping on and are openly saying they will fabricate 'evidence' to prove their point.
The phoney gang rape story from Rolling Stone didn't help the cause of trying to eliminate rape. They are still trying to protect the miserable little worm that made up the lie in the first place because she is a 'victim'.
There is no rape crises on campuses and there is no open season on whites hunting down and killing blacks. It's all fabricated.
There are real cases of the police brutalizing and killing innocent folks and we need to stick with actual facts. But the facts don't fit the narrative from the left, so they make things up to divert from the real problem. It's evil. It takes attention away from real rape victims and real problems of police and civilian interaction. Also takes attention off the real issue of why blacks are being slaughtered in this country. Obama and Sharpton and Holder have and are fomenting racial hatred and violence in this country and the left is playing right along. It has the deliberate and calculated end of dividing and weakening our country. They want division and hatred and violence to increase just as they want economic havoc. They know it will lead to a frightened and cowed populace calling for ever more govt control and regulation.

Joe Koyote

Perhaps the Brits have been less likely to attack police because, for the most part, British cops are unarmed. Numerous studies have been done indicating that just the presence of a weapon (in one study a weapon gun, knife, etc., it didn't matter, was just sitting on a desk in plain sight while participants were being interviewed) makes people more aggressive.

Jon

Agree with Joe on perception and visibility of weaponry wielded by the already powerful authorities. Very good take on why British society reacts differently. Same issue with our very presence, not to mention the record of killing of innocents in the Middle East. News today reports 1MILLION citizens of Iraq killed in the war there since 2003, 5% of their population.
Mission Accomplished indeed. Sure there will be lots of love for the old USA when every person in Iraq knows an innocent killed.

And Scott, there IS a serious rape crisis on the college campuses of America. Many articles, papers and books on the subject. Very, very real. The Rolling Stone article was a fabrication, but that situation doesn't change the reality.

Todd Juvinall

I just sent a comment to ABC Radio News on their little plug for Clinton just now. Told them they need to give equal time to the Republicans. My guess is they don't give a crap. Here is the link to the comment page of their site. I urge you all to comment. I am sick and tired of their bias and I have vowed to send my thoughts as many times as I can.

http://abcradio.com/contact/

Todd Juvinall

No Second Amendment rights in Britain. But they had a world domination for three hundred years with their colonies and they certainly used the power of their military to squelch "freedom fighters" during those times. I remember Gandhi the movie and it showed the British massacring Indians wishing freedom. But, their own people in Britain can't have a gun.

fish

And Scott, there IS a serious rape crisis on the college campuses of America. Many articles, papers and books on the subject. Very, very real. The Rolling Stone article was a fabrication, but that situation doesn't change the reality.

I eagerly await seeing the citations that you will provide documenting this "crisis" jeffy.....err....."jon"?

Todd Juvinall

Yes "jon" please give us all the source of your facts.

Jon

http://www.thenation.com/article/180114/why-campus-rape-crisis-confounds-colleges#

one of many articles dealing with a difficult problem. CA again lead the nation in putting the consent law into place this year.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 14 April 2015 at 12:23 PM

I fail to see where an opinion piece submitted by yet still another "issue driven' journalist is any more credible than the offering that earned Sabrina Rubin Erdely so much opprobrium.


Try harder jeffy.....err....."jon"

fish

stevefrisch says:

April 14, 2015 at 8:10 am

I find it ironic that right below the submitted article about amending the Constitution to eliminate intrusive big government is a submitted article from the California Air Pollution Control Officers Associations citing the fact that since 1990 California’s population has grown by 29%, our vehicles have grown by 32% and our economy has grown by 83% yet statewide emissions of air pollution have decreased by more than 50%.

If only those bureaucrats could have exhibited the same foresight concerning the water storage issue.....truly what a paradise we would live in then.

Account Deleted

The only 'crises' on our campi is the flood of students that seem to have never quite grown up. There have always been rapes of both men and women at universities and colleges, but what's with this new 'crisis'?
They just decided to redefine what rape is to accommodate the 12 year olds that now seem to populate our schools. Mostly, it's just drunken fools that have sex with whatever and decide 2 months later the guy is 'icky'. So they file a complaint with the new sex nazi office and drag some moron through the grinder with a totally unconstitutional process that assumes the man is guilty and won't even afford him the right to prove otherwise. If you think this is just a man's opinion, I can point to women that feel the same way. Camille Paglia and Kathy Shaidle to name just 2.
Again - this is not excuse rape but to point out that the left is manufacturing a phony crises to get young men use to unconstitutional govt control over their lives while real rape cases are forced to share time with made up BS.
That new Kalifornia 'consent' law is complete joke. The only way for a young man to protect himself under this law is for him to video every second of every sexual act with a female. Whatever happened to consenting adults? I thought the govt was supposed to get it's nose out of the bedroom.

Don Bessee

Funny lefty jon thinks everyone killed in Iraq was killed by us and was an innocent. Shia v Suni ring any bells? Revisionist history at work again to fit the predetermined narrative like the 'rape' epidemic on campus.

Russ

Then what happens?


ISIS is operating a camp just a few miles from El Paso, Texas, according to Judicial Watch sources that include a Mexican Army field grade officer and a Mexican Federal Police Inspector.

The exact location where the terrorist group has established its base is around eight miles from the U.S. border in an area known as “Anapra” situated just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Another ISIS cell to the west of Ciudad Juárez, in Puerto Palomas, targets the New Mexico towns of Columbus and Deming for easy access to the United States, the same knowledgeable sources confirm.

During the course of a joint operation last week, Mexican Army and federal law enforcement officials discovered documents in Arabic and Urdu, as well as “plans” of Fort Bliss – the sprawling military installation that houses the US Army’s 1st Armored Division. Muslim prayer rugs were recovered with the documents during the operation.

Law enforcement and intelligence sources report the area around Anapra is dominated by the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes Cartel (“Juárez Cartel”), La Línea (the enforcement arm of the cartel) and the Barrio Azteca (a gang originally formed in the jails of El Paso). Cartel control of the Anapra area make it an extremely dangerous and hostile operating environment for Mexican Army and Federal Police operations.

According to these same sources, “coyotes” engaged in human smuggling – and working for Juárez Cartel – help move ISIS terrorists through the desert and across the border between Santa Teresa and Sunland Park, New Mexico. To the east of El Paso and Ciudad Juárez, cartel-backed “coyotes” are also smuggling ISIS terrorists through the porous border between Acala and Fort Hancock, Texas. These specific areas were targeted for exploitation by ISIS because of their understaffed municipal and county police forces, and the relative safe-havens the areas provide for the unchecked large-scale drug smuggling that was already ongoing.

Mexican intelligence sources report that ISIS intends to exploit the railways and airport facilities in the vicinity of Santa Teresa, NM (a US port-of-entry). The sources also say that ISIS has “spotters” located in the East Potrillo Mountains of New Mexico (largely managed by the Bureau of Land Management) to assist with terrorist border crossing operations. ISIS is conducting reconnaissance of regional universities; the White Sands Missile Range; government facilities in Alamogordo, NM; Ft. Bliss; and the electrical power facilities near Anapra and Chaparral, NM.

When ISIS brings the war to our shores, is Obama prepared to react?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/isis-camp-a-few-miles-from-texas-mexican-authorities-confirm/

Don Bessee

He sure is Russ. 0 will give them work permits, obamaphones, job training, public defenders to navigate the illegal alien court system and a seat at the table at the next white house oppressed peoples conference and then take them off the terrorist lists.

Todd Juvinall

jon 12:23

The Nation's article is cites one young woman and is therefore not relevant as to a claim of "rampant" and "crisis". I think FBI statistics would be a better indicator is there is a "crisis".

I think you are tainted by the defeat of the "Rolling Stone" fabrication "jon". It was created to install this lie into the country.

As Scott said at 1:15PM, the left has always claimed we Republicans wanted to tell you what to do in the bedroom and inside your family. Looks to me like the left is the culprit.

Jon

Ah well, you're just clueless about rape on college campuses, and also within the military academies. But yet again, not surprising as you don't want to see the problem and you don't have college age daughters. FBI statistics? Pretty much worthless because of ridiculously lax, voluntary reporting by the colleges themselves. For obvious reasons, they do not want the data out there. But this is now changing slowly, again thanks to progressive California, and a couple very astute Senators.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 14 April 2015 at 09:55 PM


Ah well, you're just clueless about rape on college campuses.......

As would it seem are you if you rely on popular media for your entertainm....I mean information.

...and actually I have two recently out of college....one in Indiana....of all places....and one at Sac State. Neither reported this epidemic that you whine about.

I trust their anecdotal reports over yours.

Todd Juvinall

Jon" says we don't want to see the problems. That is truly a lib answer. He also disses the FBI and other law enforcement the very people his silly butt would turn too to deal with rape and other violence. My goodness could liberalism be that nutty?

fish

Looks like "Snitchy Al" is keeping it real.......real skinny that is!

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/loretta-lynch-supporters-hunger-strike-confirmation-116994.html


...and I've seen a number of female inner city "civil rights activists". Most of them could benefit from 3 or 4 thousand fewer calories removed from their Cheetos based diets.

This seems at first glance all to the good.

Todd Juvinall

Is he the Al that claimed after his "gastric bypass" that he pooped his pants while visiting the White House>?

Brad C.

Russ, it will be interesting to see if the "ISIS in Mexico" story pans out.
Although Mexico is predominately a Catholic country there must be more than a few people who are not Catholic living in the country. How does judicial Watch know they are ISIL? By now, if the CIA did not already know about this, they are probably swarming all over it by now.

"Mexican authorities, however, disputed the Judicial Watch findings.

“The government of Mexico dismisses and categorically denies each of the statements made today by the organization Judicial Watch on the alleged presence of ISIS’s operating cells throughout the border region, particularly at Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua - El Paso, Texas,” Ariel Moutsatsos-Morales, Mexico’s minister for press and public affairs, told The Washington Times."

“The relevant authorities operating in the region have also confirmed the inexistence of these activities with their US counterparts, with whom they will continue to work closely and to exchange information at our common border,” Moutsatsos-Morales added.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/14/islamic-state-operating-in-mexico-just-8-miles-fro/?

Joe Koyote

Once again the right wing propaganda machine fabricates a crisis--

from Media Matters:

"Right-wing media have a history of echoing dubious Judicial Watch reports to incite fear about terrorists crossing the U.S. border. Fox News parroted the group's September 2014 claim that a terrorist attack from the U.S.-Mexico border was "imminent," although the claim was roundly denounced by terrorism experts and rated "mostly false" by Politifact."

"Right-wing media are trumpeting a spurious Judicial Watch report claiming that an Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist camp has been set up near the Texas border, allowing ISIS terrorists to be smuggled into the United States, despite the fact that U.S. federal law agencies say the claim is unsubstantiated."

An April 14 report from Judicial Watch, a conservative government watchdog group, claimed that the terrorist group "ISIS is operating a camp just a few miles from El Paso, Texas," and ISIS terrorists are being smuggled "through the porous border," which is being targeted due to "understaffed municipal and country police forces."

Right-wing media outlets quickly echoed the dubious claim, and Fox News host Sean Hannity highlighted the Judicial Watch report on the April 14 edition of his radio show. Hannity read from the report, calling it "a very dangerous story," and stoked fears that Islamic State terrorists are being smuggled into the U.S., saying "we have said so many times for so many years that we need to secure America's borders." Hannity concluded by asking, "what are you going to do about that President Obama, anything?"

But federal law agencies involved with border security have said the Judicial Watch report of Islamic State terrorists near the U.S.-Mexico border is "unverified."

Todd Juvinall

Golly guys are those the same Mexican Government authorities that can't even stop the drug cartels from murdering 20,000 people over the last few years? The one's that can't find those 43 college students? I will wait and see about this but like you global warming aficionados always say, "You can't be too careful"!

Media Matter is run by the fellow who ripped the Clinton's back in the day and then got paid off by the left to start MM. I also recall that one of the "seed money" donors was, wait for it! Hillary Clinton! So please don't believe anything coming out of that cesspool of MM>

Russ Steele

Yes, and it was "unverified." that muslims pilots wanted to fly planes into US business towers. And, we know how that unverified event worked out.

Joe Koyote

"Media Matter is run by the fellow who ripped the Clinton's back in the day and then got paid off by the left to start MM." -- prove it Todd.. got a link or are you just bloviating out of your rear?

"Yes, and it was "unverified." that muslims pilots wanted to fly planes into US business towers. And, we know how that unverified event worked out." The gov't. knew these people were out there they (the Bush administration) just ignored the warnings and failed to follow up. Why?

George Rebane

JoeK 856am - I have not seen the claim that our govt had advanced warning of the 9/11 attacks from anyone except the 'vast rightwing conspiracy' outlets. Do you know of anyone else who would substantiate that claim? Please help us out.

Paul Emery

"Why" is a very good question Joe. It is established fact that the Bush administration was informed numerous times from the CIA and other intelligence sources that an attack was imminent yet did nothing to increase security before 9-11.

George

there was pleanty of warning but it was ignored,

CIA chief George Tenet himself writes "

“This intelligence delivered on July 10 was specific and was generated within 24 hours of the meeting,” said the first official, who pointed out the text in the Tenet memoir.

Tenet wrote about how after being briefed by his counterterrorism team on July 10 -- two months prior to the attacks -- “I picked up the big white secure phone on the left side of my desk -- the one with a direct line to Condi Rice -- and told her that I needed to see her immediately to provide an update on the al-Qaida threat.”

Tenet said he could not recall another time in his seven years as director of the CIA that he sought such an urgent meeting at the White House. Rice agreed to the meeting immediately, and 15 minutes later, he was in Rice’s office."

Despite this there was no followup to the specific concerns Tenet expressed. Why??????

I suggest reading the entire article for details

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13809524-evidence-piles-up-that-bush-administration-got-many-pre-911-warnings


Joe Koyote

George 9:11 (odd timing to your post) -- Paul sums it up quite nicely.

Todd Juvinall

Jeeze Koyote, have you been living off the gris and missed out on a few years of intelligence? Everyone knows Media Matters is as I stated. Go google and read.

Regarding Bush knew. Crapola. He received his daily reports and not one said that 19 Arabs were going to fly hijacked aircraft into the WTC and Pentagon etc. You conspiracy nuts are too much. I suggest you all go to Mexico and get hired on into their "intelligence" apparatus and help save Americas and Mexicans from the murderers of the drug cartels. Or at east stop using the poison.

George Rebane

PaulE 943am - Thank you for the link. But the point I'm exploring is what specifically and feasibly could the govt have done with such a generalized warning. Today the govt is also getting a slew of daily warnings that from the sound of HSB's director are just as dire - threatening 9/11 level attacks - and just as generalized over type, space, and time as were the 9/11 warnings. If another 9/11 happens tomorrow, we can all point to the warnings that Obama got and ignored. But is he ignoring such warnings? we don't know because we don't know what all he could feasibly do and is not doing to allay the threat.

The Left's desire to hold Bush2 - a president in office less than 8 months - responsible for 9/11 is understandable. FDR suffered the same fate for Pearl Harbor, and the debate continues now for almost 75 years. I don't think that the Bush2 will ever be any more free of the 9/11 attack than was FDR.

Fundamentally though, what again is the point of today claiming that Bush2 could have prevented 9/11 given evidence of the types of alerts he then got and no evidence that any response *based on those alerts* would have been 1) feasible and 2) effective?

Todd Juvinall

Here is a snippet from Wiki on MM.

"Former chief of staff to president Bill Clinton John Podesta provided office space for Media Matters early in its formation at the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank which Podesta established in 2002.[24] Hillary Clinton advised Media Matters in its early stages out of a belief that progressives should follow conservatives in forming think tanks and advocacy groups to support their political goals.[24][25]"

David Brock was the nut I was trying to remember.

Paul Emery

George

It needs to be emphasized the extend of Tenet's concern. Specifically he says that

"Tenet said he could not recall another time in his seven years as director of the CIA that he sought such an urgent meeting at the White House."

Either way 9-11 happened despite red alert intelligence warnings. You must agree that there was a failure by those responsible for defending our country in this matter. To whom do you attribute that failure?

Paul Emery

George

My Uncle, who is 94, is a Pearl Harbor survivor. He believes that we were aware that an attack was in the works and that we allowed the hit to rouse us into war. That same view is held by many who believe the Neo-Cons desired the same and intentionally let our guard down to terrorism in this country.

Todd Juvinall

I suggest the conspiracy nuts read Judith Miller's new book. It won't change their goofy minds but it does explain the reasons for the Iraq war.

Jon

On the MMJ front, I did find Don Bessee's comments today in the Union kind of funny- wanting to emulate Yuba County. Yuba County for godsake! the 2nd poorest county in the state. An absolute economic disaster area. Oh yeah, lets scrap our county ordinance that finally works now, and ban all pot growing here in our great verve to match the wonderful situation over there in that big economic powerhouse, Yuba County. Great idea Don.

George Rebane

PaulE 1059am+ - Don't know what to make of your uncle's claim or that his survivorship has given him special inside knowledge about the prelude to 7dec41. However, I notice that you, JoeK, et al continue to equate (confuse?) a given alert situation with the specifics that would have made 9/11 preventable. To my mind that is a stretch for which no evidence exists that I have seen (most certainly not that claimed by Tenet). How do you connect those dots?

George Boardman

9/11 showed that America's intelligence apparatus--NSA, CIA and FBI--all knew something, but were terrible at sharing it with each other.

As a result, there's been plenty of ass covering by everybody involved. They all have an excuse for why it was somebody else's fault.

This gives me little confidence that we're learned from 9/11 and improved our ability to predict future terror attacks.

Gregory

From the NBC news link above:

"A second chart followed, listing a summation of the most chilling comments by al-Qaida. According to Tenet, they were:

• A mid-June statement from Osama bin Laden to trainees that there will be an attack in the near future.

• Information that talked about moving toward decisive acts.

• Late June information that cited a “big event” that was forthcoming.

• “Two separate bits of information collected only a few days before our meeting in which people were predicting a stunning turn of events in the weeks ahead.”"


Wow... that's specific? Just how much security do you think Bush & Company could have put into place based on all of that? Democrats would just have said, oh please Mr. President, protect us just don't sneak in a police state while you're at it?

Bush continues to be two mutually exclusive things to the sufferers of Bush Derangement Syndrome... an evil genius who masterminded 9/11, and an idiot that can barely walk and chew gum simultaneously.

Paul Emery

Todd

Have you read the book?

Bill  Tozer

I love conspiracy theories cause they are impossible to prove and no one is talking. That is why we call them conspiracy theories.

Get this. All the hot dog vending carts were pulled the morning of 9/11. Imagine NYC without hot dog carts or coffee street vendors for the morning rush hour! The hot dog peddlers were tipped off, but no other workers in NYC. Love conspiracy theories. BTY, rumor has it that Little Oscar was seen fleeing away in his Weinniemobile driving erratically and at a high rate just 90 minutes before the attacks. He was arrested later for driving down the wrong side of the road with his Weinniemobile waggin'.

fish

This is why America deserves Hillary Clinton as chief executive.

PAPER: CLINTON IOWA STOP STAGED; CAMPAIGN DROVE 'ORDINARY' VOTERS FOR PHOTO-OP


We dare not deny ourselves the hilarity and embarrassment the Arkansans will deliver the United States.

Paul Emery

I agree Bill. That's why all the Agenda 21 Armageddon talk on this blog makes me laugh.

George Rebane

PaulE 248pm - Since Agenda21 has nothing to do with conspiracies, I believe you have conclusively demonstrated that you have not understood a word of what has been presented here on the nature of A21 and its role in shaping and guiding the progressives' agenda for America.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 April 2015 at 02:48 PM

Yep...both sides prefer their own flavor of conspiracy theory......Agenda 21....that's just crazy talk. But Bush knew all about the 9/11 attacks....well that's just a prudent and reasonable assessment of the facts at hand.

Paul Emery

Fish

I never said that Bush knew, What I said was that we had a massive failure of security and it was on his watch.

Well George somebody must have created Agenda 21 for a predetermined purpose that you claim has infiltrated the land use and environmental decision making process of even little Counties in California. That sounds like a conspiracy to me. Why do you say it isn't?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 April 2015 at 03:45 PM

Fair point! Equal culpability for the Obama Administration on their numerous security failures (Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the Fort Hood shooting, etc.)?

Paul Emery

Fish

None of those got the attention of the CIA to the extent that caused Tenet to "pick up the white phone" something that ht hadn't done previously in his tenure as head of the CIA.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 April 2015 at 04:48 PM

Excellent point! No sense disturbing the Commander in Chief via internal channels. It's my understanding he prefers to receive his updates from the Times like the rest of America.

George Rebane

PaulE 345pm - You really need to look up the definition of 'conspiracy' Paul, or quit using the word. A21 is no more a conspiracy than is the desire to reform the US tax code. Both initiatives have been widely publicized and have their pro- and an-tagonists. There is nothing hidden about A21 other than the missing intelligence of those who cannot match progressive public policies with what was prescribed by A21 and the open work of its ICLEIs since then.

Agenad21 was launched at a very public UN conference in South America, and signed by many world leaders including Bush1. It's progress in the land over the last 25 years is exactly according to the means intended. No conspiracy involved, only ignorance that doesn't let people connect the dots of what seem like disparate and/or independent public policies (laws, regs, codes, ...) being implement across the land.

For the more attentive readers who may recently have joined RR, this blog has an entire category of posts devoted to the genesis, care, and feeding of the UN's Agenda21. Yet, as we can see, tying this initiative to what is happening all around us is a very difficult undertaking for many.

Todd Juvinall

I see Paul Emery is as confused as ever. It is not possible to have a conversation with someone as enmeshed in conspiracy as he.

Don Bessee

Hey 'Jon' are you going to take a plea on the resisting arrest charge?

Russ Steele

Paul, here is a short history of Agenda 21 from BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: UN Agenda 21. Note that member of the Nevada County Staff have been to Agenda 21 implementation sessions when they attended ICLEI training classes.

UN Agenda 21 policies date back to the 1970’s but it got its real start in 1992 at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it along with the leaders of 178 other countries. Because it is a ‘soft law’ it did not have to be ratified by the Congress.

The following year President Clinton began to implement it by creating the President’s Council on Sustainable Development (PCSD). Made up of cabinet level government officials, captains of industry (including Ken Lay of Enron), and non-profit groups such as the Sierra Club, one of the first tasks of the PCSD was to give a multi-million dollar grant to the American Planning Association to design a legislative guidebook to be used as a blueprint for every city, county, and state in the United States in order to implement UN Agenda 21.

This document, called Growing Smart Legislative Guidebook: Model Statutes for Planning and the Management of Change, took seven years to complete, and a full nine years to arrive at the final version. The guidebook, and it’s not just a guidebook but a blueprint, contains sample legislation, ordinances, rules, regulations and statutes to be incorporated into the General Plans of every single city and county in the United States. By 2002 every planning department and every local, state, and federal department that governs land use had a copy and was implementing the practices. Every university, every college, every junior college, private school and teaching institution in our nation was using Growing Smart in its curriculum. Sound familiar? Growing Smart is Smart Growth.

Koire, Rosa (2011-12-19). BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: UN Agenda 21 (Kindle Locations 192-194). Post Sustainability Institute Press. Kindle Edition.

Steven Frisch

Ha...still waiting to debate Rosa Koire on this! If any of you see her at the turn foil store be sure to tell her I am ready to take her down.

Jon

Don, what the hell are you talking about? Go back to Yuba County, study their roaring economy and tell everyone how a full ban is going to create jobs.

Paul Emery

George, to the extent that you believe that A21 is part of the plan to create world sociologist government that qualifies it in my mind to being a conspiracy to achieve a goal that was not part of the public record. I'm sure you believe that the end results of A21 is harmful

Here is part of a Webster definition of conspiracy

"a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"

George Rebane

PaulE 749pm - I and other reasonable people on both sides of the ideological aisle don't believe anything more about A21 than what its published documents openly state in its declaration and objectives. Calling A21 a conspiracy makes about as much sense as calling vaccinating kids a conspiracy. Claiming that A21 is a "secret plan" is an affliction of fevered brains. As I said in my 550pm, you don't seem to have a clue about my position on A21, although it's been published here and debated for years.

The only part that you somehow were able to connect is my belief that "the end results of A21 is(sic) harmful". But I also believe the end results of Obamacare to be harmful, even though that atrocity may qualify as a conspiracy since its true impact has been revealed to us bit by piece over the last years.

Todd Juvinall

Frisch will be at the tinfoil shop with a full basket. What a hoot!

Paul Emery

By the way Todd did you read Judith Millers book that you recommend?

Paul Emery

The Pubbers and the Democrats have no problem getting along when it comes important business, serving international corporations. Those of you that think a Republican government will lead us to the promised land make me laugh. No douby ANY eventua lRepublican Pres nominee will support this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/16/fast-track-trade_n_7078804.html

WASHINGTON -- The two top lawmakers on the Senate Finance Committee announced Thursday that they are nearing a deal on a bill to give President Barack Obama the fast-track authority that he will need to push mammoth new trade deals through Congress.

"We've had a very positive set of discussions, and we are in my opinion close to reaching an agreement on Trade Promotion Authority," said committee Chairman Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)...........Under these rules, the deals cannot be amended or obstructed by procedures, and they get a simple up-or-down vote.

That fast track authority would likely pave the way for both the controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership agreement with the European Union, and the Trans-Pacific Partnership with a dozen Asian nations. Both deals are larger than NAFTA."

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 16 April 2015 at 09:27 AM

You lost Paul. Might as well just accept it.

Joe Koyote

Todd 10:04 -- Did you also know that Brock was gay and worked as chief propaganda writer for the Heritage Foundation before starting Media Matters? He wrote the book that defamed Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. He also came up with the "trooper gate" story about state troopers fetching women for Bill Clinton when he was governor, and started the whole "whitewater" scandal that cost the American tax payers $48m for nothing illegal. Brock later admitted both stories were based on unsubstantiated non-vetted rumor and were "for hire" propaganda hit pieces paid for by Heritage. His job was to find "anything" that would hurt the Clinton's image and accidentally stumbled across the whole Monica Lewinski affair. When he was outed by a jealous ex-lover and the Republican party dumped him like a hot potato he wrote the book "Blinded by the Right" exposing the Heritage Foundation as a propaganda source rather than a research organization. He then started Media Matters and Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (fair.org.) to counter the right wing propaganda machine. His latest effort is to catalogue everything any republican candidate for a major office says, fact check it, and create a database so people can check out if or how much they lie.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 16 April 2015 at 10:02 AM


You know that you're just adorable when you work yourself into a populist lather over this stuff.

Todd Juvinall

Thanks JoeK for making my point that Brock is a fool and a traitor to any rational belief. He worked at the American Spectator not the AEI as you stated as I recall. Anyone that is as unhinged as Brock is not believable. But now he is a person that can really lie about anything. If you support him and Media Matters than you are very misguided.

fish

All I can say is that it was a Dutch central banker and not an American central banker!

Dutch Central Banker Fired For Being A "Nazi Cross-Dressing, Nymphomaniac, Dominatrix" Prostitute

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-16/dutch-central-banker-fired-being-nazi-cross-dressing-nymphomaniac-dominatrix-prostit

Janet Yellen

/shudder

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