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25 May 2015


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Thank you, George. We can't be reminded enough.

Don Bessee

Thanks and prayers for all the families of the fallen and those helping their wounded warriors recover.

Patricia Smith

Thanks Don! I presume you are referring to people like me who support our Vets with PTSD by supplying them with medical marijuana while you are trying to ban their best hope for recovery. It's easy to say "we support our Vets," less so to actually do something constructive to help them return to a normal life.

Thank God, the Senate has paved the way for the VA to start recommending MMJ to Vets with PTSD and other dibillitating conditions. Over 22 Vets take their own lives EVERY DAY in this country because the are prescribed ineffective pharmaceutical drugs (ones that increase the likehood of suicide).

Todd Juvinall

Patricia, please, you are so one dimensional. Give it a rest.

Patricia Smith

Are you disputing that you are tryung to get medical marijuana banned? If you really cared about Vets, you would support our cause instead of saying to give it a rest. How many soldiers will die while we are resting?

Patricia Smith

Sorry, I mistakenly thought Todd's 11:48 post was made by Don Bessee. My point is still pertinent and applies to all who oppose MMJ.

Todd Juvinall

Patricia, your hypothesis is bogus.

Patricia Smith

Oh wowzer! After I made my last post, I got curious about Robin William's suicide. My first reaction was "I wonder if he was taking anti-depressants?" Turns out he was, PLEASE READ THIS WHOLE ARTICLE.

I have plenty of scorn for the pharmaceutical industry, but I have even more for the FDA who are tasked to be the public watchdog against products that harm. They are paid off by the very companies they are supposed to oversee which allow deadly drugs to enter the marketplace.

The media is also to blame for not reporting the facts, ost likely because 70% of their ad revenues come from pharmaceuticals in a non-election year.

Todd Juvinall

Patricia, are you saying the FDA is taking bribes? Do you have some proof? If you do, I will go with you to report them to the FBI. Let's do it! Give me the links to your proof!

Bill Tozer

As a side note, Robin' Williams' house where he ended his life in now on the market.


How did a memorial message end up in this dog fight. For god sake, but back to the subject matter of this post!

Bill Tozer

and now the tax man cometh to Mr. Williams's estate.

Patricia Smith

Geeze Louise Russ, if you can't see the correlation between giving Vets medical marijuana that has actually helped them LIVE as a way to honor their service, I feel sorry for you.

Todd, your comments are so broad, they are meaningless. Here is one example from a PBS documentary that details how chummy the FDA is with pharmaceutical manufacturers and why they have changed their focus from protecting the public to protecting their client:

The pharmaceutical industry's influence gets exerted in a number of ways. One, starting 10 years ago [with the Prescription Drug User Fee Act (PDUFA)], the influence was exerted by their directly funding, paying cash right up front, for FDA review. So in many ways, the FDA started looking upon the industry as their client, instead of the public and the public health, which should be the client.

A pay off by any name ….

There are more examples at

Don Bessee

Pattie take your fda snivels and stick em in the/your sandbox. Dilatant.

George Rebane

My sentiments are with Russ (1256pm) on this Memorial Day. On this day we memorialize those who have given their lives for us. There are many issues with living vets and other opportunities to thank them for their service; issues and opportunities more appropriate for other pages in our conversations and celebrations.

Patricia Smith

Rather be a dilitant than a cowardly hypocrite, Don. Of course you support the FDA and big pharma because Pardue Industries, the makers of legal heroin (Oxycodone), financially support SAM. Their mission is to make as much noise about the "dangers" of MMJ as possible so we don't look too closely at how many people die from legal prescriptions every year. The inmates are truly running the asylum.

Bill Tozer

Thankyou Russ and George for bringing us back to today, a day some try to remember and some try to forget. But this day is not about us per se. It is about the fallen, about Fargo and Demo who are still on Search and Destroy, about our Sailors and Airmen still on patrol, about our grunts resting in God forsaken frozen rice paddies in Korea and our soldiers who are still scaling the cliffs of Obama Beach. And millions of others.

Gary Smith

I know I should have posted yesterday, but I was gone all day. I wanted to tell you about an interesting WW2 veteran that I meant at Gold Country Hearing Aid. Another one of our many local heroes. We were comparing how we got our hearing loss and his reason blew mine out of the water. Sid Halper fought his way across Europe and took pictures along the way with his own camera. He participated in many major battles in WW2 including the Battle of the Bulge and lives in Nevada City. He had his hearing loss and war wounds attacking a German V1 buzz bomb launch site in France shortly after DDay. He was on News10 last year interviewed by Dale Schornack and you can watch is interview here. If you don't want to click on my link, the title on Youtube is, WarPhotosTV2 by Dale Schornack.

Bill Tozer

I too met an old vet that lost his hearing after being bombed relentously by the Japanese and Mc Aurther high tailed it out of there vowing to return. Unfortunately the formerly young soldier and 5 others were left behind on some island and literally had to forage for food and survive for a couple of years. Opps.
Anyway, he showed me his new hearing aid. He said it cost over $6,000! "Six thousand dollars!!! What kind is it?" I inquired. My old man looked at his watch and said "It's a quarter to three.".......

Bonnie McGuire

Bill, your mention of McArthur reminds me of John Keat's story about Colonel Wendell Fertig's adventure in the Japanese-occupied Philippine island of Mindanao at the close of World War II.

Also I can't help but think about Bill and Toki Steele of North San Juan who shared their war experience in that area...where they met. He was always going to publish his book "The Angry American." We surly miss his stories and Toki's wonderful quinine at Toki's Fountain.

One more memory regarding McArthur and many other Commanders used to fighting wars to win. Along came Korea regarded as a police action never the less killing so many of our brave young men. When the North Korean communists ran out of ammunition....the ones giving orders like Washington would call a cease fire, and our commander McArthur and men had to watch the supplies moving along the road so the enemy could resume shooting his men. He became angry commanded they destroy the supply line. His strategy was to win and end the killing. Because he disobeyed Commander in Chief Trumans orders from the safety in the White House, McArthur was removed from his command.

Bonnie McGuire

LOL's at what the spell check can do with words. I really don't know what Toki's "quinine" was, but sure liked her cuisine.

Ben Emery

Since WWII fallen soldiers in action should be zero. Yet, we have more and more soldiers intervening in conflicts that have nothing to do with defending the US Constitution. It is ironic that those who claim to love the US Constitution most also support our military being used all over the planet in military actions that did not follow the very straight forward protocol of the US Constitution.

Oath of Military Enlisted
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same...."

"War Powers

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power to declare war. The President, meanwhile, derives the power to direct the military after a Congressional declaration of war from Article II, Section 2, which names the President Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. These provisions require cooperation between the President and Congress regarding military affairs, with Congress funding or declaring the operation and the President directing it."

My position is patriotic and supportive of our military. They do not get put in harms way unless they are absolutely needed. If so, they are taken care of medically for their physical, emotional, and mental injuries for the rest of their lives at the highest levels of care.

Ben Emery

Todd, 25 May 2015 at 12:33 PM

For someone who supposed to not trust the government you sure defend it a lot.

Its called Agency Capture.

FDA Fails to Protect Americans from Dangerous Drugs and Unsafe Foods


"According to Public Citizen’s Health Research Group, some of the problems and failures at the FDA include:

• User fees. The FDA’s increasing reliance on so-called user fees from drug and medical device companies encourages the agency to treat those companies more like fee-paying customers. Instead of being fully funded by the government, FDA took in $380 million in user fees in the 2006 fiscal year. Former FDA official Janet Woodcock stated that the law authorizing such fees creates a “sweatshop mentality” at the agency’s Centers for Drug Evaluation and Research.

• No Learning from Drug Mistakes. In testimony before the Institute of Medicine, Public Citizen Health Research Group director Sidney M. Wolfe, MD, cited 13 instances of drug approvals which either should not have been approved (including Crestor, Rezulin, and others), or should have been restricted (Accutane and others) or withdrawn (Baycol, Seldane, and others) earlier than they were.

• Tobacco Failures. Five companies illegally market and promote laser treatment for smoking cessation. Public Citizen last week petitioned the FDA to crack down on those companies, since the FDA hasn’t approved the device and there’s no evidence the treatment works. Consumers who are convinced to pay up to $399 for laser treatment may be diverted from real programs that work, such as nicotine gum or patches—thus fewer smokers will be helped to quit. And, though it had essentially removed nicotine-containing beverages from the market in 2002, those drinks have reappeared. Just this month, NICLite, which the company breathlessly says is the “World’s only Nicotine Replacement Drink!,” and that it is “classified as a Dietary Supplement by the FDA,” began a marketing campaign. According to Wolfe, either the company is lying about the status of these products or the FDA inexplicably reversed itself and declared that they can legally be sold as dietary supplements. Either way, it represents a failure of the FDA to enforce the law of the land.

“The FDA’s 100th anniversary propaganda campaign hides and denies the many ways the agency is engaging in an unprecedented assault on the American public on behalf of its drug, device, food, and other industry ‘clients,’” said Wolfe.

CSPI says failures on the food side of the FDA include:

• Obesity. Over the past three decades, rates of obesity have doubled in young children and adults, and tripled in teenagers. In 2003, then-Commissioner Mark B. McClellan declared FDA’s intention to “confront the obesity epidemic ... to help consumers lead healthier lives through better nutrition.” Three years later, according to CSPI, the agency has done essentially nothing. Even with a food that’s a major contributor to obesity—soda—FDA has declined to place health notices on cans and bottles, require added sugars to be listed separately on labels, or to require multi-serving containers to list the number of calories for the whole container.

• Heart Disease. One of the most potent promoters of heart disease is the trans fat in partially hydrogenated oil. Though after a 10-year slog the FDA finally required trans fat to be listed on nutrition labels—spurring some manufacturers to abandon the oil—the FDA has done nothing to get restaurants to disclose or eliminate it. In 2004 CSPI petitioned the agency to ban partially hydrogenated oil and, until such a ban, to require disclosure in restaurants, but the FDA has not acted. The result: thousands of unnecessary premature deaths every year.

• High Blood Pressure. Perhaps the single most harmful substance in the food supply gets zero attention from the FDA—sodium chloride, or salt. CSPI and the American Medical Association want FDA to revoke the “Generally Regarded as Safe” status of salt and to treat it as a food additive, subject to reasonable upper limits in packaged foods. In 2004, the head of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute estimated that cutting the sodium content of the food supply in half would save 150,000 lives per year.

• Fraudulent Labels. Of 11,000 employees, the FDA tasks a grand total of four people at headquarters to police food labels. Thus, supermarket shelves are graced with carrot cake virtually without carrots, fruitless “fruit snacks” made with high fructose corn syrup, “whole wheat” products with a lot of white flour, and so on. CSPI says the most significant FDA labeling initiative in recent years was an industry-written initiative to let manufacturers place misleading “qualified health claims” on food labels. FDA’s own research found that the program confused consumers, but the program, championed by food companies, continues.

• Food Safety. Faced with the emergence of dangerous chemicals (such as mercury or acrylamide) in food, the FDA takes years before acting—and even then, its response is typically tepid. Faced with outbreaks of bacterial pathogens in food, FDA is similarly nonresponsive: Salmonella in eggs could be all but eliminated with finalized on-farm regulations to control the hazard, but those have been delayed for years. Shellfish contaminated with deadly Vibrio vulnificus kill 20 or so people every summer, but FDA relies on an industry-funded partnership with state governments to ensure shellfish safety.

“A scrappy nonprofit like CSPI, with one litigator on staff, forced labeling changes from major companies like Tropicana, Frito-Lay, and Pinnacle Foods,” said Jacobson. “Yet when we hand the FDA neatly wrapped complaints on a silver platter, it just ignores them.”

• Industry Capture. The FDA often relies on advisory committees made up of outside experts to offer science-based advice, particularly on approvals of drugs and medical devices. But those panels often include—and are sometimes dominated by—scientists or researchers who have direct financial relationships with the companies whose products are under scrutiny. In recent years, FDA advisory committees evaluating antihypertensives, various diabetes drugs, and the pediatric use of anti-depressants, have all included industry-funded scientists. On one committee, 10 of 32 panelists investigating the controversial painkillers known as COX-2 inhibitors, including Vioxx, had ties to the makers of those drugs.


Posted by: Ben Emery | 30 May 2015 at 07:40 AM

Wow....complete agreement.......somebody note the date and time for the record!

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