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17 June 2015

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fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 12:01 PM

Such harsh talk!

I thought you were a moderate.....voting for both Democrats and Republicans. Had an "Art Moore for Congress" in your yard as evidence of your even handed bona fides?

Jon

Steve, unfortunately am not Jeff. But I am very happy to have posted that quick reaction to start the discussion, as it is happening all over America as we speak. Now lets see the right wing and Republican Party disassociate themselves with these symbols and hate mongers. That will be a silver lining here.

steve frisch

Oh yeah...let's divert attention from the inherent racism here by pointing out that Jeff is fat, or I once owed a lot of money 20 years ago, or Michael owns a business in town and we should boycott it.

One thing I like about some of my cohorts here is that they are not afraid of your bullying tactics.

fish

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 12:04 PM

It does not take a rocket scientist (although in the case of our host perhaps a mad rocket scientist) to see the code constantly perpetuated on this site.

I'm sorry Steve but I have a couple of errands to run so delving deeper into your mental illness will have to wait. That others don't see events as you do is not an indication that they are evil or racist as satisfying as that would be for you. I assumed you wouldn't fall into a "black and white" (really no pun intended...not code language...no trigger warning) interpretation of these events but I guess not.

"Code Language"....hmmmm....a difficult case indeed.

fish

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 12:10 PM


Nor are we afraid of yours!

Gregory

Frisch sees "hard" right wing code words like 1950's Cold Warriors saw Communists hiding under the bed.

Checking out the claimed masterpiece on the FUE's blog, a summary section reads:

"We even put these people on the radio, where they intentionally tone down their race hatred and religious bigotry to ‘pass’, while driving listeners to their web sites where they get to proselytize the most outrageous philosophy. Don’t like the fact that the culture around you is changing? No problem, drop out and create your own intolerant state.

These people have a right to free speech–it is what I love about America–they can be race baiters, religious bigots, misogynists, science deniers, name callers, liars and intolerant idiots. It is a free country after all.

But we have a responsibility to stand up and shout to the mountaintop that they are WRONG. We have free speech too, and we get to tell you that your way of life, and philosophy, that perpetuates violence and glorifies intolerance will not stand.

“I forgive you” they said, true to their values, and knowing it would be the hardest thing they ever did in their lives.

We are going to bury you in love you dumb shits."

No you won't, Frisch, you're a confessed Hater who has all the same character flaws that you see in the people you hate.

Jon

Steve, why should anyone be afraid of undistinguished right wing message board posters that immediately attack and accuse anyone other than the far right of being evil, anti American, or born of Satan?

steve frisch

Posted by: Gregory | 20 June 2015 at 12:14 PM

Leave it to Greg to be so wrapped up in his own ego that he can't recognize satire when it stares him in the face.

fish

We are going to bury you in love you dumb shits."

Yeah....I really thought the sentence would have read more honestly form a man of the left if it had said:

We are going to bury you in front of the Ministry of love you dumb shits."

fish

Posted by: steve frisch | 20 June 2015 at 12:17 PM

So what part was satire? The part about us having rights or burying us?

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 12:15 PM


Satan?? jeffy honestly.....you have such a grandiose opinion of your importance in this world!

steve frisch

Isn't it rather obvious that although I admire the actions of the families in Charleston, I think that people who espouse your views must be held accountable? To not recognize the inherent incongruity and thus humor in the statement "We are going to bury you in love you dumb shits" is really pretty dense.

Gregory

If Frisch's poli sci BA from Cal State Frisco includes a dollop of English Lit he'll be able to sort the satire from the statements that accurately, without tongue in cheek, portray his views.

Don't hold your breaths.

steve frisch

I always love how you idiots can't just post a link to the original source material instead of paraphrasing it:

http://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2015/06/19/charleston-church-shooting-another-setback-for-race-relations/#comment-132019

By the way Greg can you explain to use again how your plane crash was not a result of a Haldol induced psychotic episode triggered by your need to deal with your deep depression and was really just an accidental unanticipated shift in the winds?

steve frisch

Posted by: Gregory | 20 June 2015 at 12:28 PM

If you were literate and nuanced instead of a rigid literalist you might be able to do it on your own :)

George Rebane

When attempting to deal with a caudal (see below) event such as the Charleston tragedy, we almost invariably seek an explanation and/or understanding of it from a larger perspective. We reject the event's caudality because that doesn't give us any purchase on how to remedy/prevent such future events. Instead we connect the event as a more likely (i.e. not caudal) outcome from a larger social, national, world disorder that needs to be corrected through our or the state's ministrations.

http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/06/caudaphobia-the-tragedy-of-the-tails.html

Barry Pruett

Steve: I am kind of disappointed in you. The emotions that you are portraying are certainly not coming from a healthy place; you are better than that. There is evil in the world. To attribute such evil by gross generalization to a certain group of people is exactly the type of generalizations from which racism comes. To be sure there are sick and twisted people. The victims families are a testament of how the world should be. Love and forgive. Rather than making false and dubious generalizations, I choose love and hope. I have hope that one day all folks will judge each other by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Interesting that the only hate I read in connection with this sad incident is coming from atheists and not from persons of faith.

Jon

I wonder if this tragedy had instead been perpetrated by a radical Muslim or crazed black man in a bible study in, say, in a majority white, suburban Evangelical church in Alpharetta, GA--- what do you think the tone would be like on Fox News?; what would be the tone of the victims relatives at a bond hearing (foregiveness?...oh yeah). Which of the reactions (Charleston vs. Alpharetta) would be closer to what Jesus taught us in the Bible?

Gregory

I often use links but had no desire to increase Pelline's traffic stats. No Steve, at no time did I take anything you wrote literally, but neither was it satire.

I may have enough to go to the SBC board now with a complaint that will stick, thanks to the additions of the latest screed and his recent confession that he "hates my guts". Stay tuned.

Todd Juvinall

And Jonnie and Frisch are always telling us that those that are adamant about some issue like homosexuality are really guilty of practicing what they supposedly oppose. Some sort of mental issues they say. It appears this strident anti-racist talk from those two then is really telling us all they are extreme racists. Ah, Freud, he has come through again.

Both those lovelies would rather have the blacks on the plantation. And they would be locking up their wives! LOL! What a hoot!

Gregory

Again, it's such a shame that the tragedy in Charleston was fodder for the same political attacks before the bodies were cold. The disassociations that counted were those of his father and uncle who both turned him in after recognizing him from the pictures released to the press. I have some sympathy for both of them but it pales in comparison to what is owed the families of the victims.

The shooter was 21 but never got past the 9th grade which may well signal his actual grade level is 6 or even below, or he'd have been promoted along with his peers.

Let's repeat the list of beliefs Frisch stringed together in his Rogue's Gallery:"they can be race baiters, religious bigots, misogynists, science deniers, name callers, liars and intolerant idiots. It is a free country after all"

Frisch, once again, is "projecting".

steve frisch

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 20 June 2015 at 12:34 PM

I think you must have me confused for someone that directly attributed the action s of a killer with people posting on tis site. I did not such thing. I attributed the mind set that countenances racism with people posting on this site. They are two entirely different things. For you to confuse them is quite un lawyerly Mr. Pruitt.

Don Bessee

Wow, you guys got Frisch so lathered he outed the 'jon' twice in one thread. The jon/jeffy at 1215, Satan really?!?! We thought badly of you before as the dark lord of liberal lament land and now you want a promotion to spawn of satan? What an ego! ;-)

Todd Juvinall

Frisch there are no racists on this blog. You are delusional and projecting your own self hatred here. You truly need help. The county has offices in Truckee where you can go for your apparent illness.

Your bosom buddy Jon started the discussion here with allegations which are and have always been untrue here. You rare simply and oddity.

Jon

Sure Don. You and fish are dumber than I imagined.

Todd Juvinall

Fish and DonB are smarter than you "Jon". Get used to being beaten in debate. What a wimp.

Jon

LOL Todd. If you say so, it must be true, ha?

Jon

Hey, Todd, just wondering- have you ever had a fleeting thought of forgiveness for one of the radical Muslims who have killed innocent people?

Gregory

"Steve: I am kind of disappointed in you. The emotions that you are portraying are certainly not coming from a healthy place; you are better than that." -Pruett 12:34

Barry, he isn't better than that. He's a serial group identification politics bully who has been both open and specific about his hate.

Gregory

"I think you must have me confused for someone that directly attributed the action s of a killer with people posting on tis site. I did not such thing. I attributed the mind set that countenances racism with people posting on this site." -Frisch

The classic fallacy "distinction without a difference" comes to mind. He wasn't saying the posters on this site were a cause of the Charleston shooting (a straw man fallacy itself as Pruett made no such characterization of Frisch's words), only that the people here tolerate racism.

How special.

Todd Juvinall

Jon | 20 June 2015 at 01:03 PM

Why do you ask? Looking for another moral equivalency there "jonnie"?

steve frisch

Yes,Gregory, I think I pretty clearly stated that I believe the majority of the posters on this site tolerate and engage in racist rhetoric.

I find it ironic that Barry said the only hate he heard was coming from atheists, isn;t that a generalization that he was accusing me of engaging in? Of course, I engaged in no such generalization, I said we have created a culture that tolerates racism, and that people here are a part of that. That is not a generalization, it is specific.

Todd Juvinall

Gregory, I totally agree with your assessment of Frisch.

There are no racists on this blog of the middle/right persuasion. The only people obsessed (and practicing racism) are left of center types. We on the middle/right want peace and love for all no matter what color. The Frisch's are posting their "dog whistles" all the time as they seem to have no love for others.

fish

Yes,Gregory, I think I pretty clearly stated that I believe the majority of the posters on this site tolerate and engage in racist rhetoric.

I can see where thinking clearly would be difficult what with the "dog whistle" constantly blowing six inches from your ear!

fish

I said we have created a culture that tolerates racism, and that people here are a part of that.


Perhaps you would like to expound on this (please expound don't pontificate)?!

Gregory

The most debilitating racism in this country is the soft racism of low expectations. For example, it isn't racism to note that young African Americans hopeing to attend college trail their white counterparts by over 100 points on the SAT-M with proportionally far fewer even taking the test, and similarly white kids trailing their Asian counterparts by almost as much.

Among college graduates hoping to become public school teachers in California, there is a similar gap between whites, blacks and Hispanics on the CBEST, which some liken to an 8th grade exam for promotion to high school.
"There was slight variation in the first-time passing rates by gender (69% for female and 74% for male), but there was substantial variation by ethnic groups. The first-time passing rate for White was 80 percent while it was around fifty percent for Latino (52%), Mexican American (52%), Filipino (55%), and South East Asian (51%); and slightly less than fifty percent for African American (46%)."
http://www.ctc.ca.gov/commission/agendas/2011-06/2011-06-5C.pdf

Guess who ends up teaching in inner city schools? Rather than a bogus test like the CBEST after four+ years of college and a year + of teacher training, I favor a minimum SAT score for anyone wishing to teach, which would let people know before they start college if the job would be open too them without a big improvement on the SAT first.

fish, I think Frisch's dog whistle is his own strange and sad version of tinnitus. He hears it all the time even when the only sounds are silence.

Todd Juvinall

Whn violence erupted in Baltimore, I had to listen to Elijah Cummings, Congressman from that district for thirty or so years, spew every excuse why things are so bed in his district. My goodness, these people coast along, gathering their checks and being big--shots and the people suffer. I am truly fed up with the Frisch type dopes running the place. They never fix anything but blame those that try.

Jon

Todd 1:43, that's right. Moral equivalency- exactly right. A Muslim terrorist and Mr. Storm Roof. Same hatred, same result.

Todd Juvinall

What are you saying Jonnie? You like them? I certainly don't. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

Jon

3:16, WTF are you talking about? Like who? I stated there is moral equivalency.

Todd Juvinall

You are a sick bastard Jonnie.

fish

From Frischs childhood and jeffys....err...."jons"..... overpriced credential chasing stomping grounds!

JAN. 1, 2015 - JUNE 20, 2015
1,119 shooting victims

JAN. 1, 2014 - DEC. 31, 2014
2,589 shooting victims

It sounds like the progressives just don't care enough about the inner city to "fix" the problem....no wailing and gnashing of teeth here.....just quiet acknowledgement that this is the way it is. And was actually.....it was as bad before it took an act of congress to get a handgun in Chicago!

Glad to see that gun control was working out so well!


http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

Jon

Todd, sick? The execution style murders based on hate are exactly the same- white racist kid from the South targeting black people/Muslims targeting westerners. Hate targeting innocents. Same thing. Thank you.

fish

The execution style murders based on hate are exactly the same- white racist kid from the South targeting black people/Muslims targeting westerners. Hate targeting innocents. Same thing. Thank you.


But how is this possible? We are reliably informed that only whites can be racists and haters and that Islam is a religion of peace. It seems to me that you have attempted to make equivalency out of a contradiction "jon".

Todd Juvinall

Jon is just weird. No credibility on this at all.

Jon

fish, did I say Islam is a religion of peace? Not me.

You and Todd are unable to explain the difference between Charleston and a Muslim terrorist attack. For good reason.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 04:29 PM

That is true. I have attributed a "truism" that we hear repeated constantly (from some of the usual suspects) to you.

Retracted.

steve frisch

This went pretty much exactly as I expected Jon.

I got pulled over here by Fish, posting just one portion of a quote (with Greg following with another truncated version) where I said in essence that a 21 year old does not become a neo-nazi mass murderer on his own. He is taught by someone to be that, and rather than just own up to the fact that we have a problem in our society with endemic and institutional racism, the apologists here took every opportunity to deny that fact.

A 21 year old does not learn about Rhodesia, apartheid, ZOG, and the "Jewish Worldwide Conspiracy" by going to the ice cream parlor. Someone taught this kid that owning and using a gun was OK. His friends and family knew he was a crack pot and that he owned a gun. He told his friends he was going to shoot up a college. He had an on-line presence that people knew about where he espoused his racist ideas.

There is a network of right wing, Nazi, Klan, White Supremacist, violent anti-governmen activists that teach young men crap like this. The Nazi web site Storefront has more than 300,000 followers in the United States, there are more than 700 active hate groups in the United States many with a strong on-line presence promoting their philosophy, there are hundreds of racially motivated hate crime a year, and these people have killed, maimed and destroyed the lives of more Americans that all of the 'home grown' islamic terrorists and groups combined, several times over.

There is an industry of promoting Posse Comitatus, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, and now Bundy Ranch and the Sovereign Citizen movement. The same industry promotes the Constitutional Sheriffs, Defend Rural America, the John Birch Society, the Promise Keepers (who have become quite radical) and the anti-Agenda 21 crackpots who have appeared in our community.

There are direct ties between many of the groups and people that have been invited in to speak at officially sponsored community forums in Nevada County (many by groups seeking to appear main stream like the Tea Party, CABPRO< the Republican Women) and more radical ant-government and racist hate groups.

Funny, the police Charleston, the South Carolina's government, and just about every community leader from Charleston did not seem to have a problem admitting that there is systemic racism, and a legacy of racial violence, that still persists in their midst. They owned up to it pretty damn fast.

But our own home grown ersatz version of the White Citizens Council seems to have a hard time coming to grips with it's existence in our own midst. They come up with every conceivable excuse, as I chronicled above, for why their racism is 'different' than Charleston's. They even promote the haters on a regular basis, post photos of the gatherings, and promote the ideology that those groups have embraced, under the guise of Constitutionalist or "Conservatarian" principles.

As I stated earlier they have a perfect right to speak freely, even when their speech is hate, but we have a right to call it what it is, dangerous hate filled tripe with consequences that lead to death and destruction.

If they can't handle a little sunshine, well then tough.

steve frisch

Of course that should read "Stormfront"...damn auto-spell.

Gregory

"But our own home grown ersatz version of the White Citizens Council seems to have a hard time coming to grips with it's existence in our own midst. They come up with every conceivable excuse, as I chronicled above, for why their racism is 'different' than Charleston's."

More libelous innuendo from an admitted hater, the six figure CEO of the so-called Sierra Business Council. There is no "Whote Citizens Council" at Rebane's save the one between the ears of Chicago native Stephen Frisch.

steve frisch

Do you not know what the word ersatz means Gregory?

Gregory

Let the record show that the "truncated version" I posted of Frisch's screed at Pelline's was 174 words as written.

Yes, Steve, I know what "ersatz" means and could probably still use it properly in a sentence for my high school German teacher, and a replacement "White Citzens Council" you have in your dreams is no better than the original. Yet another "distinction without a difference" which seems to be one of your favorite fallacies today.

You want those in the letter to your Board, or do you want to retract it now?

fish

This went pretty much exactly as I expected Jon.

Well of course it did....nothing escapes The Spanish Inquisit the cool, detached and penetrating gaze of Steven Frisch.


I got pulled over here by Fish, posting just one portion of a quote (with Greg following with another truncated version) where I said in essence that a 21 year old does not become a neo-nazi mass murderer on his own. He is taught by someone to be that, and rather than just own up to the fact that we have a problem in our society with endemic and institutional racism, the apologists here took every opportunity to deny that fact.

Yes....yes...institutional racism...the kind that normal people can't perceive and only highly trained "codebreakers" like you can decipher and translate for the rabble. Thank god for you.


"A 21 year old does not learn about Rhodesia, apartheid, ZOG, and the "Jewish Worldwide Conspiracy" by going to the ice cream parlor. Someone taught this kid that owning and using a gun was OK. His friends and family knew he was a crack pot and that he owned a gun. He told his friends he was going to shoot up a college. He had an on-line presence that people knew about where he espoused his racist ideas.

There is a network of right wing, Nazi, Klan, White Supremacist, violent anti-governmen activists that teach young men crap like this. The Nazi web site Storefront has more than 300,000 followers in the United States, there are more than 700 active hate groups in the United States many with a strong on-line presence promoting their philosophy, there are hundreds of racially motivated hate crime a year, and these people have killed, maimed and destroyed the lives of more Americans that all of the 'home grown' islamic terrorists and groups combined, several times over."


With the internet a reasonably functional 21 year old kid can find all manner of filth online....from beastiality to xenophobia! What is shameful but not particularly surprising is both your and jeffys.....err..... "jons" attempt to link the tragedy in South Carolina to your political opposition here.


"There is an industry of promoting Posse Comitatus, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City, and now Bundy Ranch and the Sovereign Citizen movement. The same industry promotes the Constitutional Sheriffs, Defend Rural America, the John Birch Society, the Promise Keepers (who have become quite radical) and the anti-Agenda 21 crackpots who have appeared in our community.
There are direct ties between many of the groups and people that have been invited in to speak at officially sponsored community forums in Nevada County (many by groups seeking to appear main stream like the Tea Party, CABPRO< the Republican Women) and more radical anti-government and racist hate groups".

Probably not surprising that racist groups and those who don't care for you overweening government would have common interests here. It's revealing that in this racism takes a back seat to those who doubt government solutions. They are your real opposition.


Funny, the police Charleston, the South Carolina's government, and just about every community leader from Charleston did not seem to have a problem admitting that there is systemic racism, and a legacy of racial violence, that still persists in their midst. They owned up to it pretty damn fast.

It's not particularly surprising, they know who their audience is and (much like you) they know who writes the checks. Say the wrong things publicly and see your career disappear. "Public Servants" bark like trained seals at events like these. They're just hoping they can tamp down the impetus to riot like in Ferguson until some other shiny object comes along to distract a slack jawed and largely slow witted audience.


But our own home grown ersatz version of the White Citizens Council seems to have a hard time coming to grips with it's existence in our own midst. They come up with every conceivable excuse, as I chronicled above, for why their racism is 'different' than Charleston's. They even promote the haters on a regular basis, post photos of the gatherings, and promote the ideology that those groups have embraced, under the guise of Constitutionalist or "Conservatarian" principles.


Again...it's good to see your true enemy. Claims of racism is just your convenient hammer.

Steve while I think you are the least ridiculous poster from those on the left who frequents RR when race comes into it reason deserts you.

You can't help it! Everybody has their weak points.

Barry Pruett

Wow! Republican women are promoting racism. Steve, you are behaving like an ass now.

Account Deleted

Hey Steve - there's a certain online presence for all sorts of hate. For folks of all colors and creeds. But only certain ones bother you.
I'd say that's racism, if I didn't know better. I'm sure you're not, so please explain why only some hate groups bother you.
Not holding my breath.

Jon

I suppose these folks are crackpots and liars. You guys want volumes of documentation relating to what Steve is talking about? Its all here.

http://www.splcenter.org/

Todd Juvinall

Steve Frisch is actually the person I would suggest is the racist. Not one person of "color" in his life. These self hating liberals are really mentally ill and need some help. I scour the Truckee yellow pages for some numbers.

The posters here other than the libs are not racist at all. We never bring up the scummy crap like "jonnie " did.

Don Bessee

I am sure Furth is very proud of Frisch's dedicated recitation from their self guilt liberal handbook. I somehow have a suspicion that there are some slave owners in someone's family tree a la Ben what's his name (new batman)! It used to be limousine liberals, now its my green life dedication is better than yours, 'I have the new tesla not that lame old prius, pass the chardonnay my brotha. Anyone who does not want more money for my projects is de facto Racist.' That contrived leverage does not work on everyone. :-)

Todd Juvinall

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate organization of the worst kind. Jonnie has now shown us why we were correct he is a racist.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 06:36 PM


Yes! Now you're getting it. Morris Dees came up with the most effective way to separate scared people (are we picking up on a trend ....cough...cough...Global Warming) from their money! There is a reason people refer to it as the $PLC!

But hey...if you like them!

Jon

Yeah Todd, I'm the only person in the country talking about this, right? Maybe in your provincial circle of life, but millions are engaging this today. Even Jeb! is today hedging and waffling about the Confederate Flag in SC, even at the risk of the upcoming SC Primary. Mitt Romney came out on this issue and has had enough. Normal folks have had enough of defending the indefensible cracker heritage BS. Racism, and yes, its tied to divisions in the Republican Party.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 06:46 PM

OMG not the republican candidates?!?!?! OH noes!


Jesus jeffy you're like an old woman!

Don Bessee

SO jj (jeffy/jon) Did you finally figure out who were the fraudsters I spoke of yesterday? Union above the fold today, hard to miss. Its interesting your (willful?) lack of knowledge of that long running story of scumbags. Did you have friends at one of the companies or the defunct title co? A notary perhaps? Way too many did not go to trial much less jail. Congrats Ms. Kaput and all the Reformers!

Jon

Its cocktail time apparently for at least a couple of the locals! Gets amuzing around this time.

Account Deleted

Well - this certainly puts a few knickers in a twist.
“I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs."
Gee - who else doesn't like suburbs? Looks like we have a whole lotta shutting down to do on the internet. That whole 'smart growth' deal from Portland has to go.
Just sayin'.

Gregory

No one here has been "defending the indefensible cracker heritage BS", "Jon".

Perhaps "Jon" can provide something more than Frisch's innuendo and guilt by imagined association, but I doubt it. Maybe "Annie Fox" can help you with that.

Jon

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate organization of the worst kind" Todd Juvinall 2015

Apparently there is only one man in America crazy enough to make that bizarre claim. Of course groups that track hate groups must be hate groups- how logical!

fish

HEY....how bout that spirit of scientific inquiry emanating from the Vatican?!?! Truth above all else it seems!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-climate-change-doubters-lost-a-papal-fight/2015/06/20/86af3182-15ce-11e5-8457-4b431bf7ed4c_story.html

Don't tout the party line don't bother to attend!

Il Papa!

Jon

hey fish, just ignore comments about the Republican primary if you don't care about it. Almost all of your cohorts here (Gregory excepted) are hard core Repubs and care deeply about such matters as they battle the forces of evil progressive thinking! The right wing of America is following the candidate statements very carefully as they hunt for RINOs!

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 06:56 PM

Damn straight.....crazy like the F....B....I! Goodness but you are a grasping nitwit.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/editorial-the-fbi-dumps-a-hate-group/

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 06:59 PM


Sorry jeffy...err..."jon".....I'll comment when and about what I want to!

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 06:56 PM

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES - - Friday, March 28, 2014

Something called the Southern Poverty Law Center sounds like a harmless do-good organization of idealistic young lawyers out to make life better for poor folks in the South, most of them likely black. Who wouldn’t want to make life better for poor folks?

But looks can be deceiving. The poverty law center, known by its initials SPLC, is actually a money-making scheme — some have called it a “scam” — of an Alabama lawyer who set out years ago to get rich on the backs of the poor and the duped.

The lawyer, Morris Dees, once defended Ku Klux Klansmen accused of beating up a black reporter covering the Freedom Riders, later raised money for George Wallace and then for George McGovern, and one day had an epiphany, or at least a profitable idea.

“I felt the anger of a black person for the first time,” he later said of that case, “I vowed then and there that nobody would ever again doubt where I stood.”

Where he stood was a place where he could parlay the good will of the unsuspecting into great riches. Mr. Dees and a partner, Millard Fuller, practiced law and ran a direct-marketing business. He made a good living, but he wanted to get rich.

“Morris and I … shared the overriding purpose of making a pile of money,” the partner once told Harper’s magazine. “We were not particular about how we did it. We just wanted to be independently rich.”

With his conscience in tatters, Millard Fuller sold his share of the business to Mr. Dees, gave the proceeds to charity, moved away and founded Habitat for Humanity, building houses for the poor.

Morris Dees stayed in Alabama and built a 200-acre estate with tennis courts, a swimming pool and stables for his horses, and instead of doing good, did well.

“Poverty” quickly became enormously profitable. He was soon collecting millions and paying himself a salary far in excess of those paid to the heads of such advocacy groups as the ACLU, the Children’s Defense Fund and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund.

The director of the Atlanta-based Southern Center for Human Rights, which defends poor defendants in death-penalty cases, once told Mr. Dees he was “a fraud and a con man” because of “your failure to respond to the most desperate needs of the poor and powerless despite your millions upon millions, your fundraising techniques, and the fact that you spend so much, accomplish so little, and promote yourself so shamelessly.”

Mr. Dees and his “center” continued to slander the innocent and raise money from the unsuspecting, warning in fundraising appeals of “a firestorm” of hate that would soon “engulf the land.”

The SPLC never identifies the hate groups about to engulf the land, who they are or where they are assembling their regiments of engulfers. With the Ku Klux Klan shrinking to insignificance, the SPLC, which is thought to be sitting on a treasury of a quarter of a billion dollars, has lately turned its lurid appeals to prosperous but frightened gays.

“Hate crimes” by SPLC definition now include Christian opposition to same-sex marriage.

This week it emerged that the FBI, which has included SPLC data as “a resource,” has finally severed its link with the organization and dumped SPLC from the bureau’s Hate Crime Web page.

The FBI offered no explanation of why now, but the dumping follows appeals of 15 family groups to Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. and FBI Director James B. Comey to sever the connection. We think that was a good day’s work.


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Don Bessee

Sooooo, again the 'jon' ducks the issue of local criminal scumbags, did they advertise with you and donate in the approved progressive way? Come on jj, bring the hate for the Reformers and all those folks who really do something to protect victims in the real world. Sounds like some self guilt about your patterns of indulgence; Gets amuzing around this time.' So apoplectic and frothy that spell check can not even save the rhetoric major. lol!

steve frisch

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 20 June 2015 at 05:52 PM

Gee Barry, what I actually said, as opposed what you claim I said, is,"There are direct ties between many of the groups and people that have been invited in to speak at officially sponsored community forums in Nevada County (many by groups seeking to appear main stream like the Tea Party, CABPRO, the Republican Women) and more radical anti-government and racist hate groups".

You are correct that I should have been more precise and said, "The Nevada County Republican Women Federated", who hosted Sheriff Richard Mack, who is a proponent of the radical and constitutionally unsupported theory that Sheriffs are the highest law enforcement officials in the land and do not need to follow federal law; a theory first popularized by the leader of the violent terrorist group Posse Comitatus and Henry Lamont Beach, and first published the theory in his "Blue Book".

Mack also appeared on James Edwards white supremacist radio program appropriately titled, "The Political Cesspool", and appeared at Bundy Ranch in company with white supremacists who were pointing sniper rifles at federal agents.

http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org

Richard Mack is quoted as saying he prayed for the day when a sheriff would be the “first one to fire the next shot around the world and arrest a couple of IRS agents.”

Richard Mack is an acolyte of conservative Mormon theologian W. Cleon Skousen. Skousen was a leading light of right-wing radicalism, a theocrat who believed the decline of America began with passage of the 14th Amendment and its guarantee of equality for the former slaves (ironic isn't it).

Skousen's best-selling book published in 1958, The Naked Capitalist, warned of a cabal of global elites who were scheming to create a worldwide, collectivist government — what the JBS and Patriot groups now fear as the “New World Order.”

Skousen demonized the federal regulatory agencies and wanted to abolish civil rights laws, labor unions, the minimum wage, the income and estate taxes, the direct election of U.S. senators, the wall between church and state, and many other government programs and initiatives. Richard Mack is quoted by the Arizona Daily Star after seeing Skousen speak with 240 people in the audience as saying, “I don’t know what happened to the other 239 of them, but this one was converted.”

Richard Mack wrote the forward for white supremacist Randy Weaver's book, Vicki, Sam and America; How the Government Killed All Three.

Richard Mack was interviewed by the Christian Identity Movement magazine, The Jubilee, but unfortunately I can't find a copy, and was also prominently featured on The Alex Jones Show.

I think the point I made is accurate--Richard Mack walks a fine line between mainstream groups like the Republican Women's Federated, and extremist groups---and he does it intentionally, and it is evidence of the 'direct ties' I referenced, which the NCRWF might not have known, but they should have done better due diligence.


Jon

Bessee, since I'm not who you think I am, I'm really sorry I cannot assist or comment on things you seem obsessed with. Best of luck to you.

Jon

Don, I will say this however- I always get a kick out of your evening posts.

steve frisch

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 07:28 PM

I know Jon, the evening posts are always somewhere between a challenge to decipher......and leaving me wondering how many sheets he left on the clothesline.

Jon

Steve,
Exactly. Its always an adventure on here during and after Happy Hour! In hindsight, I am really happy to have started the discussion on this tiny little forum about race, guns and politics in America. We have flushed out quite a trove of human psychology.

Todd Juvinall

Frisch has lost his noggin. His explanation of his explanation is one from a tortured soul. It would be like me calling the SBC and front group for Communist Maoist murderers. I mean golly gee Steve Frisch, are you off the meds tonight?

Jon the SPLC is a hate group now bought off by global warming supporter money.

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Our current pres was the proud member of a racial hate group until he ran for national office and his 'mentor' spilled the beans. Oops!
Time for another body under the Obama bus.
Steve Frisch advances a theory known as 'an evil person uses flush toilets and so do you!' I would have no trouble linking Steve to any sort of crap if Steve would just be honest and list EVERY book he's read and ALL groups he likes. I listen to all sorts of folks and read every sort of stuff online. Just because you drink beer at the bar with a guy that turns out out to be a child molester doesn't make you one.
You're making cheap and small minded connections, Steve.
If you go witch hunting, you better watch your back.

steve frisch

By the way, someone should have told the Nevada County Republican Women Federated that it was Sheriff Richard Mack who said their strategy at Bundy ranch was to put the women up front so people could see agents shooting the women first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=104&v=cllweBGE3Ak

steve frisch

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 June 2015 at 07:49 PM

Yeah, well I don't know how much closer you can get than hosting the guy that hung out pointing weapons at federal agents and promoting putting women in the front line to take the first volley if gunfire broke out.

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Nice dodge, Frisch. "Yeah, well I don't know how much closer you can get than hosting the guy that hung out pointing weapons at federal agents and promoting putting women in the front line to take the first volley if gunfire broke out"
So it's just a matter of inches, now?
Kinda like - now that we know what you are, we're just trying to determine your price.
Still waiting for you to be honest and give us the list.
Not holding my breath.
Next dodge - ?

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And here's Bernie! - just regular folk down at the old Brentwood hovel.
Says he won't be controlled by a 'handful' of rich guys. One or two rich guys will suffice. He's going with the rich guy that owns the railroads that transport oil and says he would have killed the pipeline. More oil will be spilled and lives endangered, but darn it, my rich guy needs his pocket filled. Just one of the volk. You were invited, no? Oh yeah, Bernie is just regular folk. You lefties just lick up the urine and grin. Bernie's urine is green and sustainable. Slurp, slulp.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bernie-sanders-wows-hollywood-progressives-804004

steve frisch

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 June 2015 at 08:13 PM

What, the list of every book I've very read? You are going to be waiting a very long time :) I am sure the list is in the tens of thousands by now. I just looked at my kindle reader on my I-pad and I have read at least 400 books in the least 4 years.

Jon

Well, well, well, the locals righties hosted a guy who has promoted violence against the government and advocated human shields. How sweet.
So if the local Repubs deny the association, how about a sincere apology for bringing that cretin here to Nevada County?

fish

Posted by: Jon | 20 June 2015 at 08:27 PM

Always the "hecklers veto" with you......eh jeffy?

Sweet.....

fish

Well retroactive "whiny hecklers ex post facto veto".

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Gosh - I missed this one :
"But I will state it loudly and proudly, I definitely believe that many people here are racists, and I posted similarities between the manifesto comments and comments made here over the years so readers can reflect on that."
Names?
Facts?
Is there anyone one the left that can have an adult conversation? Is Steve the best you can come up with? Really?

fish

C'mon Scott....."loudly and proudly" .....that's like having a crack research team investigating your opposition.

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from Steve: "You are going to be waiting a very long time"
I can wait - you lefties never seem to be able to back up anything you belch out.
I'm still waiting for so many of you lefties to back up up anything you claim.
It's always dodge and weave, isn't it? Never a straight answer.

steve frisch

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 June 2015 at 08:46 PM

Nonsense Scott, I can't give you a title of every book I've read, I started reading when I was 4 and never recorded them...it's that simple....so you can belch all you want...it is a nonsense question.

Don Bessee

WOW! The socialists go so nasty when confronted with the uncomfortable truths. Shall we check the FPPC big boys? How much money went to Dem candidates from the Hastert's and Lesterts crews? How amuzing you are.

Michael Anderson

Don Quixote's misfortune is not his imagination, but Sancho Panza.
Franz Kafka

M. Andersen

In the fight between you and the world, back the world.
Franz Kafka

Todd Juvinall

ScottO, do you really want the few books? Jack and Jill, The swift brown fox? That is the extent of the smarts of the Truckee Troll. Racist pigs abound at the higher elevations.

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It isn't just the books - I also wanted to know what groups he associated with or admired. He won't mention them. Instead he starts dodging with bull crap about books he read when he was 4.
Like all leftie cowards.
Won't stand and deliver.
Dodges.
Runs.
He's cornered by his own BS and he knows it.
Notice how the left has fallen silent about what they admire specifically?
It's always generalities. Never actual people or groups. Now Bernie is verboten.
When George asked for folks to lay down their principles, every single leftie ran and hid. Every one.
"But I will state it loudly and proudly, I definitely believe that many people here are racists.."
You must be loud, but hardly proud.
Please name the racists.
Right - so darn proud, you just can't back up your spittle due to your having to run your ass off getting away.
Folks that really are 'proud' back up everything they say and print.
If you are so darn proud, why don't you name names and give evidence?
Steve? Steve? - just footsteps running off into the distance.

Jon

Scott, you even write like a German. Strict. No nuance. Black and white. Nasty.
Yesterday you were reminiscing about the days when parents thrashed their kids. Hmm.

Some of us have the MO down.

Jon

OK, back to the issue. Tired of responding to these long personal attacks on people.

Regardless of what some think, the Confederate Flag is MAJOR campaign 2016 issue. "South Carolina crackers- tear down this flag"!

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/20/mitt-romney-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-flag-at-south-carolina-capitol

Kudos again to Mitt Romney, no longer strapped to the inflexible, irrational base.

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