Sandbox - 1jun15

[New month, new sandbox.  The 30may15 sandbox seems to have turned into a kitty litter box with all the congealed poop balls flying back and forth.  Perhaps the participants there will want to retain that venue for continuing those enthusiastic labors and use this new one for more edifying discourse.  I for one am interested in what readers think about the Patriot Act's renewal and the trade-offs between our liberties and security.  gjr]

Comments

[Russ Steele]

George Boardman destroys his credibility in latest Union Column. Details here: http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2015/06/01/boardmans-credibility-blown/

[George Rebane]

RussS 1259pm - Might also point you to 'Ruminations - 30may15 (updated 1jun15)' and its comment thread.

[Don Bessee]

Cracking up at the box office numbers of colony's global warming movie Tommorowland, looks to be a quarter billion dollar bomb of cosmic proportions . Guess you can only spew the same trumped up doom and gloom for so long before folks tire of the disinformation.

[Walt]

I read that too Don.. Seems parents just are not going to let their kids get brainwashed this time.

[Todd Juvinall]

I saw the movie and it was not very good. Jeeze I must be dense, I did not make the AGW connection.

[Russ Steele]

George@12:59PM I did an update and posted a link as you suggested. If Mr Boardman would like more information on AGW he can also visit Watts Up With That and do a search on the term. However, I recognize that he gets to choose the science he believes in, right up to the killing frost in June and July snow storms.

[Walt]

This gives a whole new meaning to "holy smoke". ( no,, the church didn't burn down,, but the parishioners sure "burned one down".

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/1/marijuana-church-wins-tax-exempt-status-in-indiana/

Now where did I put my certificate as an ordained Minister of the Church of Monday night Football? ( remember that?)

[Todd Juvinall]

Hey where is "Joe Smith"? That troll is a hoot!

[Walt]

"joe""jon" is a little embarrassed from getting caught last night shedding his skin.

[Don Bessee]

Todd, he is trying to remember which device he uses for which name. lol

[Bill Tozer]

Little Joe is with Hoss and Adam riding out to save jon boy and Pa in the little burning house on the prairie dog companion.

[Walt]

He must have got the new Vanity Fair mag. and is uhh,, a little busy.

[Bill Tozer]

Mystery solved. Found out where joe jon smith went off to. Glad he shot her instead of me. She wasn't half bad.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DpkDdLZGg30

[Paul Emery]

George

The poop is already flying. thanks for the noble effort. It must be frustrating.

Once again my hats off to Rand Paul. He is being trashed by the so called Conservative Republican Presidential hoard.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, glad to see you are finally supporting a Republican. I expect you will be voting for Rand Paul now?

Joe Smith is missing and the DA from Baltimore is on the job.

[Account Deleted]

Paul - welcome to the dark side. Where the poor are abondoned to starve and gazillionaires light their cigars from the burning food stamps of hungry children. Pray tell - what has caused this change of heart?
And please don't worry about we true conservatives. Nothing frustrating about simply quoting available facts. The greens have been a little too open about what their true aim is. The free market and capitalism have to go in order to 'save' the earth. Or are you going with Bernie?
Poor Paul - what to do, what to do?

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, glad you are liking Brother Rand. Now, being from Kentucky, he will probably get the red neck beer drinking ignorant hillbillie extremist Tea Party label by some in the hallowed halls of academia and media. . Some Republicans even have a sense of humor.....might be at least a half dozen out there. That is about 6 more than the Dems have.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QK3Eo9cScEQ

[George Rebane]

PaulE 628pm - Yep, I am getting a bit pissed that the boys can't shake their 'joe' or 'jon' or ... fetish. It is becoming more than tedious since they think their repartees are exactly what others want to read. My advice for them is to leave the labels and mind the message.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, you are a man of peace. Brother Ben is a man of peace. Make love not war, make babies not bombs and all that stuff. Candidate Obama was also a man of peace and said Islam the Religion of Peace created "the very fabric of our country." Don't see why you turned sour on him. Is it because he is black, is it Paul???

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mgTgenwl2aA

[Todd Juvinall]

Back to the Patriot Act. I am fascinated by the democrats supporting it. I thought they were bashing the R's as being these patriotic fools, flag carrying yahoos who were making up terrorist ploys so the right could take over our shoes and belts at the airport. But in this DC world of shenanigans, up is down and black is white. I am confused. Help!

[Walt]

This just in. Score one for TROLLS.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/01/scotus-vindicates-right-to-say-insane-things-on-the-internet/

[Walt]

But Todd.. It was the Left crying foul from the highest of the trees when it was originally signed into law. MY how their tune has changed. It's OK when it's "their" administration doing the domestic spying. ( never mind not one terrorist has be bagged with it.)

[Jon]

Hey Todd, maybe its because you live in an unnatural, simplistic, black and white world. The real world is a really interesting place if you take the time to appreciate it. Its a palate of colors and blends and nuances. Might lead to less confusion even. Seriously Todd, I really hope you will understand this before you pass from this world into dust.

[Account Deleted]

Ah, yes. jon-the-troll explains why he can aver one thing one day and the opposte the next. It's not hypocrisy, it's a palate of colors.

[Jon]

Its a big world Scotty, full of surprise and nuance. Nothing you say is going to change that...ie, why you hardliners will be perpetually frustrated by the turn of history.

[Walt]

Some big words from a basement dweller. Is the lack of accomplishment that brings out that anger?

[George Rebane]

But how is it that there is both bipartisan support for renewing the Patriot Act, and also bipartisan opposition to it? Does that kind of response remove the issue of the state spying on its citizens from the polarized regions and place it somewhere near the equator? Have we finally met a federal decision that can be argued on the basis of shared principles and existential interests?

[Walt]

As I recall, it began as looking only at communications coming and going to outside nations, and of questionable origin. That has since changed to mass collection in every way shape and form. Even the courts have said the NSA has gone too far.

On a side note, Erica Holder ( The AG) won't do squat about what the gov. has done to the citizens ( IRS VS Tea Party anyone?) or dealing with illegals flooding in,, yet has the time to dig into soccer corruption, and now how movie theaters do business.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-investigates-theater-clearance-practices-at-amc-1433171433

I'm SO glad the LIB DOJ has their priorities right.

[Paul Emery]

Bill writes:

"Don't see why you turned sour on him. Is it because he is black, is it Paul???"

What the hell are you talking about Bill. All I wrote recently is that I applaud Rand Paul 's stand against the NSA. Where and why did you come up with that?

[Paul Emery]

Todfd

there's lots to like about Rand Paul and fundamental things I disagree with him about. The most important thing is that there be a rise of independent candidates to break the power of the Republicratic Party. Rand will probably be squashed by the so called moderates so voting for him is a far flung possibility. If he was nominated and kept his independence I would give him serious consideration, especially if he ran as a Libertarian and dumped the Pubbers.

[Jon]

Walt, can you tell us the correct name of the current Attorney General of the US? You mentioned Erica.

[Jon]

Paul, cannot agree more. If he could seriously discover a domestic sense of morality in topics of the poor, healthcare, etc, I could consider the man. The good news is that now Rand has nothing to lose with the party going forward. Going to be very, very interesting in the Pubber debates with Rand in the mix.

[Walt]

Of course I can "jon",, we already knew she would be Holder 2.0

Finally someone from Hollywood who isn't afraid to risk it all. ( a Brit no less)
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/01/hollywood-actor-who-left-everything-behind-to-fight-isis-they-need-to-be-obliterated-video/

[Account Deleted]

"If he was nominated and kept his independence I would give him serious consideration, especially if he ran as a Libertarian and dumped the Pubbers."
But, Paul - why not give him serious consideration now?
No govt interference with private business. Doesn't that alone put the thrill up your legs?
Now - there's still time to consider that socialiast fellow. He's trying to give Shrillery a run for her money. And he'll sock it to the Koch bros. Give them the what-for. I thought he was your man.

[Jon]

What's her name then, "Walt"? If you think she's a Holder 2.0, then you don't know anything about her.

[Jon]

Walt, do you have any other links in your favorites besides the very boring and patronizing Dailycaller and FauxNews.com? Come on, they've become ho-hum moderate mainstream. Have you checked out WorldNetDaily yet? Seriously, great stuff for you in there Walt!

[Todd Juvinall]

I repeat Paul Emery, glad you are now supporting a Republican. Jon is almost there too. Soon you will be pulling the slot for a R! Great.

Regarding my world view "jonnie". I think perhaps you may be a lot myopic and trail me greatly in intelligence and accomplishments. You seem like one of those "Monday morning" people who really have nothing on their resume' except a lot of yapping. I blame your momma for that. Put on some big boy pants and join the adults. Oh and learn how to spell please.

[Jon]

If the election was held today, Bernie would gather votes for President right now than all but about 2 of the big money Pubbers.

Forgetting about Ole' Denny Hastert for a minute..cough...I have a couple of moral questions to those aligned with the party of morality, the Republicans. Is Koch Brothers money considered a virtue in the election cycle? Is it consistent with Scott's Christian values that the Kochs can spend a BILLION dollars of self interest money in an attempt to sway an election? Is there accumulation of ungodly wealth consistent with Christian doctrine? If so, please cite the biblical references for me. Thanks.

[Walt]

Naa,, you tell me, and I will let you know if your right. Now no google searches, that would be cheating. ( not that ya' really give a damn)

OK,, question to think about.. Is giving up liberty for security worth it?
What did Ben Franklin have to say of that? ( I agree with Franklin)

I was fer it before I was agin' it. ( the Patriot act,, that is.)

[Jon]

Ah Walt, we caught you not knowing the AG.. Its OK, really "Walt", we all make mistakes and miss things. Its tough to keep up with the reality when you have to sift through the thousands of DailyCaller articles every day!

[Jon]

Walt, do I detect the slightest of slight support for Rand Paul's stance on the Patriot Act? If so, kudos are in order for your honesty. If you are still in the closet there, is it because you won't get an invite to the next Pubber Picnic or something? You don't need no picnic, you've got your own BBQ heaven. Just forget about those planes monitoring the smoky plumes...

[Jon]

Todd, if I spelled something wrong I sincerely accept the mistake. I did catch one boo-boo, the old "there" instead of "their."
Oh and believe it or not, in my former dumb days, I did pull the lever for a few R's back in the 80s. Todd you will also be heartened to know that my mother was a staunch, mainstream Republican party member back in the day. Our family fortunately evolved as we discovered the real world.

[Todd Juvinall]

Before I go hit the hay, jonnie, how do you feel about the George Soros money, the billions he has, spending it on democrats and socialist candidates. Seeing how he made his money on playing money games with nations currencies, is that the same as the Koch brothers money? I mean their money employs 60,000 people and a major part of the economy.

Speaking of "morality" where did you get the idea the R's are uptight? You are way behind the curve, maybe even a 50's socialist for thinking those on the right are preaching. Sure maybe a couple do that but your candidates are also preaching the Gospel. Does that lose them your vote?

[Walt]

I have nothing to prove to someone who still lives with ma'ma.
It's vary telling that you dodge my questions. What was Ben Franklin's views on said matter? Lets see if you have any smarts at all.

[Walt]

Why am I not surprised "jon" would cast a vote for "perv" Sanders? ( and a needle bending Socialist)

[Walt]

Here is one for "jon",, It's always fun to see AGW kooks make fools of themselves.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/01/epic-fail-climate-change-voters-attempt-to-protest-scott-walker-nh-cruise-with-floating-iceberg-people-dressed-as-moose/

[fish]

PaulE 628pm - Yep, I am getting a bit pissed that the boys can't shake their 'joe' or 'jon' or ... fetish.

Sorry George. It's just that it's entertaining to see someone.....cough....Former Union Editor....cough...cough who was so vehement about both decorum and proper identification while blog posting who seems to show up in so many guises while behaving so badly away from his sandbox.

[Bill Tozer]

The real fact is Hillary Rodham Clinton is popular and she knows it. Popular enough to garner a sizeable slice of the electorate. She just might follow in Slick Willy's footsteps and fail to get 50% of the vote, yet sit in the Oval Office. It's no secret that Biily Bob really really wanted to break into the magic 50% mark for his legacy. A goal which eluded him and now set in stone as a two time winner of the Presidential elections with achieving a majority.

It is also no secret that I do not like Hillary one iota. Here is just one of many reasons why. She sings the populist tune while lining her pockets (both personal and campaign war chests) with the 1%ers' ungodly gifts and donations. I don't really care she is in bed with successful wealthy people per se. Afterall, you don't want to hang out with the mediocre types for input and picking another's brains. Nothing wrong in and of itself with rubbing elbows with successful people or the giants of industry and proven leaders of various walks of life.
But, for Pete.s sake, just drop the rich bashing and quit pretending you really are just one of the unwashed masses in your heart of hearts, Mrs. Clinton.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-01/hedge-fund-giant-tells-hillary-clinton-to-cut-the-crap-?cmpid=yhoo

[Bill Tozer]

Opps. Words have meaning. Last sentence of first paragraph should have said "without achieving a majority." The goal that eluded Bill and perhaps Billary.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul soured on Obama because he is black. He just cannot handle a black man as President. That ready gets his goat along with the term "raghead."

Do I believe that our own Paul is a closet racist? Not at all. But, when he had leveled such broad brush allegations at those on the Right, I just wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine. And he don't like it one smidgen. :)

[Russ Steele]

Hey Walt,

FBI behind mysterious surveillance aircraft over cities...
Planes carrying video, cellphone snooping technology...
Hidden behind fictitious govt 'front' companies...

Details at Drudge: http://www.drudgereport.com

[George Rebane]

Re RussS 640am - Walt has been severely taken to task by some of our liberal readers for reporting apparent surveillance flights over western Nevada County. The government has been conducting such flights for years, and has now intensified them with additional manned (and instrumented) aircraft and drones. Associated Press has been attempting to investigate the FBI's involvement for some time. FBI conducts these flights through a collection of fictitious government-front companies.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FBI_SURVEILLANCE_FLIGHTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-02-10-18-22

Among the other deficits our liberal commenters bring to these pages, a most significant one is their accessing limited sources of highly censored and politically correct news. Here we have to do the best we can to counter such narrow/erroneous worldviews, else mid-road readers will be misled.

[Todd Juvinall]

And our taxes just paid a gazillion bucks to raise the overpasses for "military" reasons.

[fish]

Another example of the dubious efficacy of the "Emery Protocol"!

http://eagnews.org/teachers-complain-chaos-reigns-as-st-paul-schools-spend-millions-on-white-privilege-training/

Who could have guessed? Who?

[Account Deleted]

jon-the-troll is now instructing us on morality and Christianity?
Great - please do tell us, jon. What are your morals?
I see that you think the Kochs should not be allowed to spend their own money as they see fit. Why only those 2? And what laws, exactly, should be passed? Your buddy Bernie says repeatedly that he will 'go after them'. Never says what he'll actually do.
I know there is this fever among the grubers to 'get the money' out of politics, but politicians need to get votes and Americans have chosen to use TV ads as their prime source of info about candidates.
No matter how much 'free' TV time we give candidates or how much public money we hand out, the pols will always being looking for an advantage over the other candidates. A union boss can tell candidate A "I can deliver X million votes if you play ball with us after you are elected".
The election system would still be corrupt even though no money was involved.
This fixation with the Koch bros is a distraction from the real failures of an over-bearing govt.

[Gary Smith]

Dr. Rebane:
Interesting article about the FBI. Beale AFB trains over Grass Valley with their ground intelligence gathering aircraft. It is a MC-12W Liberty and it flies low enough to see it clearly with binoculars and to make out the plane type with the naked eye. Here is a link to photos of it at Beale.
http://www.beale.af.mil/photos/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=9962
It used to circle over about once a week but now I only see it about once a month. Here is a link to a fact sheet on the aircraft.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mc-liberty/
It can gather phone and video communications, maybe even listen to conversations and transmit all of this to ground troops and/or command.
I am guessing that they are training here as they were deployed to Afghanistan. I could not see the strategic value of Grass Valley to a mission like that. Listening to the boring conversation between my wife and I, they deserve combat pay. I always wonder what they do with the data after they are done?

[George Rebane]

GaryS 918am - Of course you are right, and that explanation was apparent (at least to many of us) when such sightings were first reported by reader Walt. My 757am attempted to continue highlighting the different worlds in which the Right and Left live, in this case through the realities they embrace that are dependent on the news sources they consider accurate and comprehensive.

[Walt]

You beat me to it Russ. It's not just NSA who is out collecting data. the FBI is in on the game. Recall those dope grows I said that one plane was orbiting around the other day?
And I get called an idiot? LOL!!
Gregory.. Uh,, "training flights"?? Yup,, training to snoop.

[Walt]

Yes,, that's the culprit G. Smith. Burning holes in the sky above PV for hours at a time.
It was easier to find out where it was, and been, when I found that flight trader website.

So "jon",, you claimed to be that pilot. And you trash talk the military?

See Doc.?? I wasn't seeing things. Just like when that Google Balloon came overhead last year.
( and you thought I was drinking.... heavily)

[Todd Juvinall]

I was sitting in my front room about a month ago and looked out a a vehicle with a tripod(s) on its roof going down my road. Then it came back and went up a cul-de-sac across the street. Moments later it departed. Anyone know what that could be?

[fish]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 02 June 2015 at 09:42 AM

Did it say "Google" on the side?

[Walt]

If it was a red car, it was Bing " Street view". That one came by the shop last Month.

As for the local snooper plane, it's "private owner" registered. ( I failed to mention that earlier.)

[Walt]

This explains the "private owner" designation listed on "Flighttrader"
"Law enforcement officials said Justice Department lawyers approved the decision to create fictitious companies to protect the flights' operational security and that the Federal Aviation Administration was aware of the practice. One of the Lindley-headed companies shares a post office box openly used by the Justice Department.
Such elusive practices have endured for decades. A 1990 report by the then-General Accounting Office noted that, in July 1988, the FBI had moved its "headquarters-operated" aircraft into a company that wasn't publicly linked to the bureau.
The FBI does not generally obtain warrants to record video from its planes of people moving outside in the open, but it also said that under a new policy it has recently begun obtaining court orders to use cell-site simulators. The Obama administration had until recently been directing local authorities through secret agreements not to reveal their own use of the devices, even encouraging prosecutors to drop cases rather than disclose the technology's use in open court."

[Jon]

Scott, not claiming any religious/moral authority. I am asking a Christian such as yourself what Jesus would think about persons with untold billions throwing it around to make a government conform to their self interest? Is there anywhere in scriptures where the pursuit and use of one's money is encouraged and/or considered blessed? I cannot find it. Just looking for a simple opinion, not even a biblical analysis.

[Walt]

Well well.... super snooper is up today.
http://www.flightradar24.com/66abc32

It's staying close to home ( Beale) Just click on the plane, and it will show you a little info, and it's flight path history.

[Walt]

Sorry,, the link I just postes IS "super snooper".

What? how can "jon" be flying, and posting here?

[Todd Juvinall]

ScottO, why is it that atheists are always citing "what would Jesus do" questions when they are non believers? My goodness, Koch brothers own money being spent to protect the freedom of the American people? How terrible the minds of people on the left to think that is a bad thing. Of course, nothing said about Soros etal, and the Hillary Clinton Slush funds. Now we learn she received money from investors of the Keystone Pipeline while Secretary of State.

Lastly, I never answer the Jesus question and in fact ask the non believer to cite the provisions or verses that he/she thinks apply. They never respond.

[Todd Juvinall]

Anyone know why the government spent gazillions to raise the overpasses for the military?

[Todd Juvinall]

Fish I saw no wording on the vehicle.

[fish]

Posted by: Walt | 02 June 2015 at 10:04 AM

Diggin the flight tracker website Walt! Cool beanz!

[Jon]

Todd, I know exactly why you guys don't want to answer the Jesus question about Big $$$...

but I won't give it away..

[Don Bessee]

Someone needs to get some remedial education on which party gets the most money from billionaires. What would Jesus do, really? lefty-jon-jeffey-joe mannie mike and moe who ever it is.

[Jon]

second fish's comment about flightracker. Seeing all those jets heading to Hawaii...ahh...missing it.

[fish]

Posted by: Jon | 02 June 2015 at 10:55 AM

Todd, I know exactly why you guys don't want to answer the Jesus question about Big $$$...

I doubt that.

Shouldn't you be off consuming your 50,000 daily calories instead of wasting time here? After all, that "bread" isn't going to "break" itself!

[Walt]

See jon"? never, EVER doubt me. I have crow on the BBQ just for you. (feathers and all)

Todd. even our fire planes will show up on that site. ( as long as they are on radar.)
As for the overpasses, the freeways are part of the national defence system. Some of our "hardware" that needs to be trucked is now taller when loaded,(like MRAPS) and not all overpasses have on and off ramps allowing for a bypass.That's just my educated guess.
We found that out when the Rough&Ready navy launched their one and only battle ship, back in 78. ( A Mr. Walters had built a fishing boat along old HY20,, and that's what we started to called it, and it stuck)

[Jon]

As always, the Repub Party activists come back to the Repub (good) vs. Dem (evil) framework, as with everything. I'm simply trying to solicit knowledgable Christian opinions about Big Money being used in politics and whether or not it is compatible with biblical teachings, especially for those evangelicals and others making literal readings. Is the application of big money and capitalism in human interaction thought to be a good thing?

[Jon]

Walt, you onto it. I wasn't really a pilot.

[Jon]

hey fish, I weigh in about 197. Definitely need to get more toned however.

[fish]

Posted by: Jon | 02 June 2015 at 11:14 AM

Okay "jon" whatever you say.

[Walt]

"I wasn't really a pilot." No sh**... As you should recall,, I didn't buy it the first time. ( it's just fun to rub your nose in it, when vindication is all over the news)

[fish]

As always, the Repub Party activists come back to the Repub (good) vs. Dem (evil) framework....

So Close!

As always, the Repub Party activists come back to the Repub (evil) vs. Dem (more evil) framework...

There...fixed that for you!

[Jon]

Ah but fish, the Party activists don't want to see it listed like that. They really believe they are the chosen Party of virtue, values, goodness and light. Even if the reality doesn't bear it out- thats their story and they are sticking to it! Cue the patriot Republican music.

[Jon]

Walt, thanks for your explanation.

[Walt]

Any time.

[Walt]

Hear the news? "Viagra" for women. The nursing homes will be like high school. ( with Arthritis) That should keep the night shift more than busy.

[Walt]

Time will tell if they change the call sign, and radar identifier of "super snooper"
Not all aircraft show up on that website. Now that they know "we" know,, they will fix that "little problem".

[George Rebane]

Walt 937am - When did I doubt your reports about the aircraft??? You may have me confused with someone else - see also my 757am.

[fish]

Ah but fish, the Party activists don't want to see it listed like that. They really believe they are the chosen Party of virtue, values, goodness and light. Even if the reality doesn't bear it out- thats their story and they are sticking to it! Cue the patriot Republican music.

Posted by: Jon | 02 June 2015 at 11:43 AM

You do realize how absurd this statement is coming from an "evolved" democrat like yourself.

[Account Deleted]

jon - the Koch bros honestly feel that they are trying to influence popular opinion and the govt in a way that makes the govt more accountable to everyone. They know that a govt that works for them works for everyone. You may disagree, but you have the right to influence govt to your ideal. The Koch bros are not trying to take away that right.
BTW - you might want to google ALL the ways that the Koch bros spread their money around.
As far as what Jesus might say, we see in the Bible that he did not like folks who would lie about what they donate to the church. And he knew that for some, wealth and posessions were a hindrance to their ability to have a relationship with the living God.
I'm not aware that the Koch bros are seeking a 'blessing' from Christ for anything they do. There are a few certain Democrats that claim they are doing the work of Christ. Pelosi, Gov Brown, etc.
"Just looking for a simple opinion, not even a biblical analysis."
Sorry - it has to be a Biblical analysis. I don't make up stuff about the Savior.
Finally - "...not claiming any religious/moral authority."
We'll keep that in mind.

[George Rebane]

re Jon 1143am - Mr fish nailed it in his 1125am. Our liberal friends have no idea about how agitated and disappointed Republican activists are about their party's doings, especially when they cave on stated principles as they go along to get along with the progressives' agenda. Else the lamestream and their local liberal choruses start singing their 'Repubs, the party of NO' anthem. The sheeple have also been taught that Congress is only "productive" when it passes new laws.

[Walt]

Doc. I apologize if misunderstood. Nope,, you NEVER questioned "super snooper". It was others giving me crap as you stated above. Seems I wrapped my helmet in Aluminum foil for good reason.
But you did question my sanity with the Google balloon. Only after the story showed up in The Union did you know I wasn't "seeing things", and offered a heart felt "atta boy". ( "Sober as a judge" as you put it.) And that's why you received that bottle of "truth serum"
from the Islands. ( well,,, you DID want to know what I may have been drink'n)

[Paul Emery]

George

Again I contend that the agenda of both parties is essentially the same when it comes to the really big issues such as the TPP. For all the distrust the Repubs preached about Obama they were willing to give him the keys to the car when it came to secret deals within the TPP. Also, thyey walk hand in hand when it comes to spying on Americans through the NSA and aerial surveillance of everyday citizens through the FBI.

" The FBI is operating a small air force with scores of low-flying planes across the U.S. carrying video and, at times, cellphone surveillance technology -- all hidden behind fictitious companies that are fronts for the government, The Associated Press has learned."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/02/fbi-surveillance-flights_n_7490396.html?utm_hp_ref=crime&ir=Crime

[Walt]

Paul. Don't you read the posts here? Your a little late to the game on the spy plane issue.
In case you missed it, there has been one buzzing all over Nevada Co. for a year, at least.
The FBI has plenty of dope grows to "test" on up here. ( that's just "my" guess.)
I'm pretty sure we don't have terrorist cells lurking in the manzanita.
But we do have dope, and meth behind every other tree.

[Bill Tozer]

Yo Walt. Remember that slow moving bright thing I witnessed in the sky. That one what broke off a piece that disappeared. I never finished the story. When that piece broke off and circled back in an upward spin, the final second or seconds I lost it in the trees. So, I do like the mother ship dropping a pod theory. And I had a better view of it looking more of a side facing view than the video clips you saw on the web.
Imagine coming home very late from work in the dark,, being greeted by my daughter and her boyfriend on the porch steps (locked out, I took the spare key when I couldn't find my set in the morning, Opps), then telling them it's been a long rough day and I need a smoke before anything else. Walked straight to the back deck, heard a Wow from the boyfriend and a big wow erupted from all three of our throats. Never seen anything like it in all my born days.
Made international news everywhere put here. Go figure. Slow moving ice ball, Dr. Rebane?? Sure, it could have been a big illusion of speed (slow), size (bigger than any shooting star or comet I have ever witnessed), with a long, long, long trail (lit up the sky and trail went from the Eastern horizon to Western sky, aka, long)....sure, it could have been a hunk of ice. Yep, baby, it's cold out there. But, I'll side with Walt on this one. And, yes, I was not off my head meds. Been taking them faithfully. The mothership passed by, dropping a baby like humans give birth. Or, was it the FBI? I did catch a glimpse of what perhaps could be described as the shadow of the one armed man in the faint distance on a yet to be named grassy knoll. :)

[San French]

Our local village idiot strikes again.....

LOL!!!!

http://www.theunion.com/news/16609573-113/former-nevada-county-ballot-measure-s-backers-cleared

[Jon]

Scott, hey thanks. I think much of those bible tales all hocus pocus anyway.
I think the philosophies espoused by Jesus in dealing with other people and our natural world are timeless and correct. Seems to me he was pretty forceful in his feelings about the pursuit of money in general. Not sure I see where he separated good rich people from bad rich people.

Those Kochs are such wonderful stewards of our American values and our natural world.

[Walt]

Thanks for "the rest of the story" Bill. I sure wish I had got a look at that as it passed over. Went back and reviewed that vid., and I'm not convinced of a close flyby of a midgit commit either. I'm no scientist, but what I see there defies simple physics.( but what the hell do I know?)
From your point of view, did the "tail" look reminiscent of the Russian meteor that hit?
Or more gassy than "smokeish"? ( If you can recall.. it's been a while)
That would give more of an indicator of how deep into the atmosphere it could have been.
But seeing the actual rotation in the vid., that had to have been real big, or real close.

I am a firm believer that we are not the only intelligent life in the vastness of space.

I recall when Carter swore up and down that he would expose the "gov. coverup" when elected. Funny.. He sure clammed up, and avoided the subject after he was elected.
Those non disclosure agreements one signs can be a real bitch. ( ya,, my name is on one too)

[Bill Tozer]

Every time I see a helicopter in the skies above my place or in the valleys around here, there is a big grow bust within a week or so. Every time. I ain't taking about Medi-flight or CAl-Fire on TV News whirlybirds either. And, as far as I can figure, I bet I have a closer view of the rolling hills around Beale than even those residing in PennTucky.

Spy on Spy was always my favorite part of Mad Magazine. Now we have an Alfred E. Newman lookalike in the White House. A coincidence? I think not!

[George Rebane]

PaulE 152pm - Who are you contending that proposition with Paul? And apparently you did not read my 757am.