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21 June 2015



Posted by: Jon | 25 June 2015 at 03:50 PM

There used to be a constant stream of whining from jeffy due to the fact that I posted under a pseudonym. There is also substantial evidence that he himself hypocritically engaged in the same behavior on numerous occasions both here and at other sites.

There are times where you sound as if you are "channeling" Pelline....other times you sound like various other locals (Frisch, Anderson, Koyote).

Relax....the "mystery" of who you are or who is animating the puppet today is entertaining to us. Try and have fun with it!


I thought it an appropriate response. Hope all the personal garbage stops right now. To my eye, its clearly one of your regulars who perpetuates the instigation over and over again, knowing damn well the target is going to respond, as he should. Thought we had a decent thing going here- but somehow it morphed into discussions of personal insults, envy, airplanes, carbon footprints and business expenses....?


Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 25 June 2015 at 04:05 PM

So "Bruiser" were you wearing a dress when you were performing as "Gloria Zane"?

Jeff Pelline

David Larsen of Carmichael, (AKA, "fish")
Like I said, I sign my name. And you? https://youtu.be/1nINoMsSqUY

Don Bessee

What's that smell?!? OH, the dark lord needs some attention again.


Well, the tag team is back. Imagine that.

Jeff 3:31PM
My former ride would have been in a hangar rather than midday Summer sun, except the Cargo Cultists at the Rude Center decided to not allow any more inexpensive hangars be placed on the airport by users... they only wanted big hangars that big expensive airplanes that use lots of expensive fuel would be in. They wanted some other customers, not the ones that actually used the airport already. The big hangars got built... and are filled with the smaller planes that used to be on the ramp. By feeding a developer a boatload of BS demand info, they convinced them to enter into a contract to fill the airport with hangars but they never managed to even sell out the first overpriced 10.

You can ask Gerry Rose, now of the FAA Reno office, formerly owner of Sierra Mountain Aviation, the local dealer of Port a Ports. I was one of the 10 of the last Port a Port proposal he tried to get approved by the County. I do have my current plane in a rental hangar at the moment (the evil capitalist in question is an occasional RR contributor), one of the first group of hangar owners who got tired of a County runaround and placed the first port a ports in a guerrilla action one weekend when County management wasn't around to stop it.

Frisch 3:35PM... That is a use of the phrase "kind invitation" and the word "public debate" of which I was previously unaware.

Steve, if you weren't such an ignorant, lying weasel we'd get along just fine. We can "debate" the science here just fine but I get it... you're tired of not winning. BTW did you see how the Met has let your side know there is a solar minimum coming, but the forces that froze the Thames over every year in the 1600's will be overwhelmed by the warming that's hiding in the system somewhere?

"An 8% chance of a return to Maunder Minimum-like conditions within the next 40 years was estimated in 2010 (ref. 2). The decline in solar activity has continued, to the time of writing, and is faster than any other such decline in the 9,300 years covered by the cosmogenic isotope data. If this recent rate of decline is added to the analysis, the 8% probability estimate is now raised to between 15 and 20%"


Cosmogenic isotope data means Carbon 14 and Be10. Others estimate the probability as closer to 100% with the start being this year, but time will tell. Mother Nature is running the experiment, we're just taking data.

"Jon" 4PM
I'm sorry... you expect to be able to swing at my nose and not get punched? That's not how it works.


Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 25 June 2015 at 04:17 PM

Sure Gloria....sure you do!


Gregory, swinging at your nose? Are you kidding? Good god man, I am totally in awe of you and your greatness in..well, everything. I am simply devastated I don't have my own plane which would bleed my savings dry. Do you realize how tough it is to live with the thought of being without multiple science degrees and an aviators license and private plane in a real hanger? God, its ruined my life! Please do carry on however. You have plenty of other fans here. I promise you- they are all hanging on your every phrase, every brilliant thought- with baited breath. Very, very fortunate to be in your presence. Me, I am simply not worthy, not worthy at all at sharing this venue with you.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Jon | 25 June 2015 at 03:50 PM
Posted by: Jon | 25 June 2015 at 04:00 PM

Yes Jon it has not escaped my notice the 1) Greg seems to be particularly psychotropicly altered today, 2) Don is still almost cogent, and 3) Greg starts it and George calls it personal when anyone responds.

It is bizarro world.

Todd Juvinall

Jonnie, just get used to it. As far as we know you are simply a troll whith a phony handle. Too afraid to post as the real you and have a biography. Hell Paul Emery knows how many times we pee here. So when you gain the balls/ovaries to out yourself truthfully, no one will treat you with any respect since you are a troll.


BTW Jeffy forgot to share how he justified the carbon footprint of that *huge* Chevy Silverado truck with the gourmand plates?

Jeff, how's the view and feeling of power up there? My current ride has 12 spark plugs, 520 cubic inches and can run full throttle for as long as there's gas in the tank... though I'm usually at a 45-55% economy power setting. Why be in a hurry to get back in a car and dodge egomaniacs in big trucks?

Todd Juvinall

As for Frisch and Pelline, they are just a hoot. Pelline comes here as Pelline and other times as ???? All to start a fight. Frisch comes here to "set us straight" on things such as AGW and well, everything. He claims to be the smartest man in town. Jeeze what a narcissist. Anyway, they usually attack us all and call us names and then cry like little girls and call the Sheriff. You would have to invent these nutballs if they didn't exist. Good theater. LOL!


Frisch, you come in swinging and then complain when you're the one that gets hit. Eventually the meaning of cause and effect will sink in.

"Jon", yes, everyone is entitled to my opinion. Thanks for the fan letter. The speedboats in your neighbor's yards are bigger money pits than piston aircraft, and, believe it or not, I actually fly to get to where I need to go, not just to drill holes in the sky. It's a second car, not an RV. Not to mention a meritocratic private club... all you need is a few bucks and a certified instructor willing to take you on as an apprentice.

George Rebane

JeffP 405pm - your comment was deleted because you don't have upbringing to not crap in your host's house and you disrespect the other guests when you go visiting. A futile request - behave yourself.

Steven Frisch

Talk about crapping where you eat....I was not even here until Greg brought up my name...Greg is the one crapping where you eat George.

George Rebane

StevenF 519pm - "... crapping where (I) eat"??!! I haven't seen Greg disparage RR or his host, even though we may disagree from time to time.


Oh, for "Jon"'s 4:45PM sake, it isn't a "real" hangar. No electrical service. No heat. Doors jam with a good snow load. Leaks in the rain. Port a Ports are, in essence, really cheap drafty trailers that are towed to the airport, placed where they are to stay for a few years, running gear removed and then staked down onto the asphalt. The reason the airport wants permanent hangars is not just for the hoity-toity clientèle but for the reversion clauses that cedes ownership after a time. Modular or mobile hangars have been known to go mobile in the past before the county could get their mits on them.

Sorry if that conflicts with your delusion of a high life at the airport.

Back in the GVG heyday, the Group were given the land for $1 a year for 20 years, after which they were to pay rent to the airport. Those remain the only hangars the County owns and they can barely keep renters in them, but they're high class. Lots of steel, concrete floors, free electrical service, a bathroom at one end. The new reversion clauses are full price for the land lease (a couple thou per hangar a year I think) and you give it to the county after 30 years or so. Don't expect any maintenance over the last 10 years or so... the GVG hangars were rusting badly when they finally reverted.

When I was attending airport commission meetings, the developer of the real hangars du jour denigrated the PaP's as mere chicken coops... but then he didn't want those chicken coops to cannibalize from his prospective customer pool. The only reason they could get their high prices is because County mismanagement had caused prices to skyrocket due to unsatisfied demand.

For the past few years buying a hangar has been a real losing proposition... it's been clear with the slow thinning of the local fleet that it was only a matter of time that there would be more hangars than there was demand, and the asking prices still do not reflect the new reality. There's now a new equilibrium of about 6 empty hangars for sale or rent, and about as many ads for people who want hangars... with no movement. Either the hangar owners really don't want to rent for what the market will bear, or some owners don't want to rent or buy for what the owners want.

If it wasn't for one thing, I'd not be renting even with the good deal and a stellar landlord... with a hangar, I'm not held hostage to the local shops for maintenance and the annual inspection. One shop is incompetent, another wants a flat $4k for an annual inspection (about twice the going rate) and fishing expedition for things to fix at an inflated price and inflated time. With a semi-legal independent A&P IA, it's a fraction of the price... if the owner is willing to do the dirty work.


Let's see... Jeff hasn't justified the monster truck's carbon footprint, and none of the usual Warmista suspects has taken on the new research from their demigods at the Met.

I'll repeat it:
"An 8% chance of a return to Maunder Minimum-like conditions within the next 40 years was estimated in 2010 (ref. 2). The decline in solar activity has continued, to the time of writing, and is faster than any other such decline in the 9,300 years covered by the cosmogenic isotope data. If this recent rate of decline is added to the analysis, the 8% probability estimate is now raised to between 15 and 20%"

C'mon. guys, this is genuwhine Climategate central peer reviewed in a real journal research. The Hadley Centre, the Met. The sun's decline in the last 4 or 5 years is the fastest decline in that amount of time over the past 9300 years.

Some bravado, guys. You can do it.

The weatherman's site covers it here:

Frisch still hasn't identified the identity of the "conspiracy type" he accused me of following when daring me to agree to the "debate" he claimed to be designing. Steve, if you are refusing to identify this person, are you retracting the comments that referred to them?


Only Gregory would waste a half hour of his life feeling the need to discuss, explain and justify airplane hangers with someone on a message board. Unreal.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Gregory | 25 June 2015 at 06:44 PM

I have an idea Greg, why don't you take me up on my original offer to meet you with a team of three in an independently moderated debate on Climate Change and Climate Policy under National Forensic League rules which Paul Emery so kindly offered to host and tape?

You claim to love the old Buckley Vidal debate format, or we could use the Great Debate format....I am game.


Posted by: George Rebane | 25 June 2015 at 05:08 PM

George...if his comments are directed at me and you're willing to "hold your nose" I'm game!


We "Community Organized".some folks........and your doctor!


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