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04 June 2015

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Walt

Let's start the new litter box out right. NOAA has "fixed" that little problem.
Yup,, AGW is back on track. If the facts don't fit the agenda, remanufacture the facts.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

Jon

Ah, its the old Dailycaller. Their report must be accurate!

Walt

Yup, one of LIBS most feared web sites. They are real good at exposing LIBS and LIB activities for what they are.
But go ahead, and attack the messenger, not the message.

Walt

Hit up Google "jon",,, pick one... ANY one.

George Rebane

Jon 1133am - Jon, your response is a caricature of how the progressive mind works on substantive matters. You dismissed an important issue on the basis of who reported it without the slightest understanding of the underlying facts or arguments. Daily Caller invites you to dig deeper by linking to Anthony Watts site - one of the most respected in the world on climate change - whereon you can see the data plots and their attendant explanations, and be further linked to the original NOAA reports on its temperature data revisions.

But true to form, you responded as would a sclerotically predisposed naïf on the matter. From sampling some of your more sober repartees in these pages, I continue to believe that you can do much better.

Walt

Funny,, nothing on CNN,, but this is the latest post on NOAA CNN put up.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/09/world/global-warming-record-quarter/index.html
CNN is sure on the ball. No wonder hardly a soul believes, reads, or watches it.

fish

So I wonder if perhaps readability would be enhanced were RR to implement categorical sandboxes - national policy, local issues, foreign policy, climate change, science, education, ... ??


You can attempt this George but since any "sandbox" thread winds up light years from where it started topic wise I think it's probably a waste of effort.

Walt

I want to get more money when I sell my 12-year old vehicle. It has over 130,000 miles on it. I roll the odometer back to 84,000 and can get $5,000 more for it. Ooops, that's fraud and I can be sent to jail.

NOAA 'scientists' adjust temperature data to fit their narrative (religion), no worries.

fish

Funny how "science" takes a backseat when money is on the line? I thought that only those horrible, horrible corporations would fudge numbers to benefit themselves?


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/04/harvard-syracuse-researchers-caught-lying-to-boost-obama-climate-rules/

Walt

I'm must be slowing down. Fish beat me to it... AGAIN!
Yes, a bad day for ECO news. The EPA chokes on having to admit FRACKING is safe, to NOAA cooking the books.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 04 June 2015 at 02:33 PM

Of course you're slowing down Walt....it's all that smoked meat.....lucky bastard!

Walt

I could say something about that,,, but,, I better not.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 04 June 2015 at 02:52 PM


Yeah...that's probably for the best!

George Boardman

Dr. R, you wrote at 12:15 PM that it's typical of progressives to "dismiss an important issue on the basis of who reported it..."

Just like conservatives who dismiss anything reported by The New York Times or Washington Post.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 403pm - I do contend that Mr Boardman. When the NYT or WP have put out their progressive pap, then, at least on these pages (and on FN and WSJ), the substance of their claims is countered with substance which may or not include taking to task their propensity to publish it. That is almost never the case with a liberal response to something reported on an admitted right-leaning outlet as eight years here attest. The Right/Left exchanges are asymmetric along so many fronts. But I do appreciate your raising the point.

Gregory

I often cite the NY Times, WaPo, PBS or NPR, especially if I first heard or read the news from either a libertarian or conservative source.

It is VERY common for the "progressives" among us to be a knee-jerk reactionary against anything emanating from a source that smells right wing to them.

Walt

I subscribe to the Reagan doctrine.(sort of) I don't trust what LIBS say, so I verify.
And 7 times out of 10, what they say is BS.
Take Patricia's latest post on FRACKING. It dates to 2011. A far cry from the "news of the day". The EPA may have said that back then, but that's NOT what they say today.
And trying to pass off old press because it fits the narrative is more than disingenuous.
The AGW and "green" gang will stoop to any level to keep their beliefs relevant. Damn the facts that prove otherwise. It's belief that wins out for them.

Todd Juvinall

I am sure Mr. B never was subjected to end BS reporting of him so I forgive him for his ignorance. When conservatives were finally offered middle of the road reporting from a couple of places, we rejoiced and celebrated. Now all we need is all the rest of the media Mr. B likes and favors as "unbiased" to really become that. Then we can all rejoice!

Account Deleted

I read a story on Daily Kos the other day. They were outraged at a Christian pastor telling HS grads his opinion of gays. They were sure it was true because: wait for it - the story came from Fox News. They even had the http jump directly to the Fox story. Now, I could have sworn that lefties all say that Fox News is nothing but lies.
Perhaps Mr Boardman could provide some examples of folks here dismissing a news item simply because it's in the NYT. It might be that we dismiss a story and maybe it was in the NYT, but you will need to show that it was dismissed just because it was in the NYT and was not vetted.

Don Bessee

Haters are going to hate, truth notwithstanding.

Bill Tozer

Hmmmm. fish quotes Dr. Rebane, so I quote fish and the good doc by extention.
"So I wonder if perhaps readability would be enhanced were RR to implement categorical sandboxes - national policy, local issues, foreign policy, climate change, science, education, ... ??" Quotation marks added by third party without prior consent.

How about a all of the above!

https://www.facebook.com/MANDATORY/photos/a.251564004947905.47255.205523986218574/548390651931904/?type=1&theater

Todd Juvinall

Lowell was sent to heaven by a 1,000 plus friends today.

Bill Tozer

Technology is changing the way we communicate. Or is it the Internet is changing the way we communicate? I get 'em all mixed up. Glad to see thousands are still using the telephone.

http://news.yahoo.com/5-ways-people-drought-shaming-neighbors-185449003.html

Paul Emery

My goodness, there are those who contribute to this blog that cite Rush Limbaugh and Slimebart as credible sources of news so the standards are certainly not that high in this venue.

Todd Juvinall

I think the same for those quoting KVMR. LOL!

Patricia Smith

Todd, does that rebuke of KVMR extend to Dr. Rebane?

Don Bessee

Dr. R would be the exception that proves the rule! lol

Walt

Paul DO show some proof that Breitbart is publishing bogus stories.
As I recall, you refuse to even read any. So.. Just who is telling you that?

BTW.. Record sea ice... But it is melting! (according to LIB news)

George Rebane

The unsubstantiated and blanket vilification of sources (messengers) continues without the apparent ability reasonably contend what they are saying (the message). However, the Left has never accepted the "standards" evinced on RR, and again appears to call for some sort of sort of mediation or censorship of its readers' comments. The policy here has been that the commenters forge their own reputations in these pages by what they write and cite.

My personal preference is to take a messenger to task (if at all) only after having successfully demonstrated the paucity of his messages AND citing aspects of his incorrigibility (e.g. not recognizing and/or addressing counter arguments).

PaulE 850am - I take it that your reciprocal view would then be to equally disdain, on prima facie grounds, the standards of sites on which the dailykos, moveon, and truthout are cited.

fish

Pot meet Kettle......

My goodness, there are those who contribute to this blog that cite Rush Limbaugh and Slimebart as credible sources of news so the standards are certainly not that high in this venue.

My goodness, there are those who contribute to this blog that cite Rush Limbaugh MSNBC and Slimebart DailyKos as credible sources of news so the standards are certainly not that high in this venue.

Fixed that for you Paul.

fish

So tough these days for a progressive administration to get decent press from an adversarial 4th Estate.


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Todd Juvinall

Patricia, I am surprised you don't understand the difference between KVMR's News (Paul Emery is the news director) and opinion segments. Perhaps a discussion here can enlighten you as to the differences.

Paul Emery, like all liberals, rejects anything printed in certain if not all, news sources he deems as "right". We on the "right" read it all. I have for all my life of 65 years, been reading and listening to "left" on every news venue the left cherishes (they had a monopoly until the 90's). You cannot imagine the happiness I experience when "right" in the form of "middle" was now available.

Walt

Unlike LIB news, who fly's cover for Lefty politics, ( like painting employment in a rosey light,, when in fact that "red light" is the warning the ship is going down. 1/3rd of Americans are not employed, yet unemployment is in the press @ 5.5%.. LIERS!!)
In contrast, "Right wing" news slams their "own" and breaks out the cat o'nine tails for the job. Politicians of the Right are taking heat for this joke of a "free trade" Bill.
How dare they vote on a secret Bill they haven't read?? Where have we heard that before?
( gotta pass it to see what's in it.)
There is vary little "protectionism" from "Right wing news" of their own.

That's why CNN, MSNBC and such have such piss poor viewership. Only the far left Progressive still give them the time of day.

LIB news has yet to get really peeved that Hillary has given them the silent treatment.
Some are still shilling it as a "brilliant move".

Gregory

"My goodness, there are those who contribute to this blog that cite Rush Limbaugh and Slimebart as credible sources of news so the standards are certainly not that high in this venue."-Paul Emery

Geeze, Paul, you are far too focused on who says it rather than whether what they say is correct or wrong, and just as guilty as the more weak minded conservatives who uncritically accept info from people they agree with.

Our recent exchange over the Pope's phantom Master's degree in chemistry when he was 18 or 19 is a case on point.Limbaugh is relentlessly partisan, Drudge has a populist libertarian streak, the Breitbart-less Breitbart is partisan and sensationalist, but has imho a better track record than MSNBC which might not be saying much but it says something.

How about dropping the argumentum ad hominem, which is what your "slimebart" is, and revel in actually analyzing the claim and demolishing those, if you can?

Walt

The lies keep popping up like weeds. Sorry AGW gang,, it's your crew that keeps getting caught.
"Emails obtained by the blog JunkScience.com’s Steve Milloy show Harvard University and Syracuse University researchers involved in the study consulted with the EPA while conducting their study, contradicting their previous statements the study was done independently of the agency.

“Emails obtained from EPA through the Freedom of Information Act show that Harvard University, Syracuse University and two researchers falsely claimed a study supporting EPA’s upcoming global warming rules was conducted ‘independent’ of the agency,”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/05/scientists-may-have-lied-to-promote-epas-global-warming-agenda/

Once again,, don't shoot the messenger.

Patricia Smith

Todd, 8:55: You posted, "I think the same for those quoting KVMR. LOL"

You did not differentiate between commentary and news - only the station. Is Rush Limbaugh commentary or news? (I have to admit I don't know who Breitbart i, but it sounds like I'm not missing anything.)


Walt

Now really Patrica.. Listen for yourself sometime and come to your own conclusion.
Stop listening to what others tell you.
Just like your admission about Breitbart. Your going on what someone else says.
Visit the site yourself. DO come back and point out any fibs or fabrications. ( good luck)

Paul Emery

George

To put things in perspective Rush Limbaugh is not a news person but instead he is an entertainer, a comedian to be precise. He is very good at that and makes me laugh whenever I hear him which is usually on long boring freeway drives. I know people who knew him back in the opld days before he hit it big. He was at KFBK in Sacramento when he invented his character. That was when I was involved at KZAP radio in Sacramento. According to my friends he hated his radio character but went with it when he made it big and the rest is history. A very talented comic for sure, suitable for any stage but radio works best because of his remarkable sense of vocal timing and the endless ability to go on and on about the same subject for hours without running out of breath.

Breitbart (rip) on the other hand was an exposed fraud who knowingly manipulated editing of vintage video clips that caused much harm to individuals and institutions. Why any news organization would use his name only verifies that there are no standards of journalism today and even though news with a slant is nothing new his standards are below even the lowest defination of journalism, and the bar is indeed set very low.

Here's a pretty good summary of the incident from Slate, a credible news source,

" Andrew Breitbart made a mistake. Based on a two-minute video excerpt of Shirley Sherrod's speech at an NAACP dinner last year, he accused her of practicing racism as a federal employee. He neglected to mention that in the excerpt, she was clearly talking about events in a different job 20 years ago. And when the rest of the video turned up, it proved that her story was about transcending her old racial resentment."

There are endlessexamples of this story everywhere. this was just the first one to pop up

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2010/07/amen_canard.html

George Boardman

Some of you may find this hard to believe, but the great Pelline made a stupid mistake earlier today, the kind of mistake you expect from a rookie reporter instead of an alleged veteran journalist.

Apparently trying to establish his bonafides for a job at Consumer Reports, he pillars The Union for its decision to charge $1 a week to any subscriber who wants a TV guide. In an effort to illustrate the error of its ways, Pelline contrasts The Union's policy with that of The Bee:

"The Bee includes TV listings every day in its print edition--both for sports events, and for 7 p.m. - 11:30 p.m. programming. By contrast, The Union does not."

You are only half right, Jeffy. If you actually read The Union, you would know the sports section lists all sports events on TV, and includes the Sunday schedule in Saturday's paper.

This is the sort of thing Jeffy loves to hammer other people about, so will he be man enough to publicly admit his error? Probably not. He has a difficult time holding himself to the standard he expects of others.

Todd Juvinall

Patricia 1:12 PM

I was responding to another post. If you read that post you will get the drift of my post.

Rush Limbaugh is very successful because he has a knack for entertaining as he does information. You decide for yourself what he handle should be. Whatever makes you happy.

Paul Emery 2:04 PM

Jealousy is not pretty. I never heard of Rush until I became a Republican Chairman in 1995. I listened to him and by golly he was talking about things I was never hearing on the BIG BOYS and it was so refreshing! I was involved in fighting eco extremism in those days and all we ever heard was the BIG BOYS supporting the eco's and never even talking to people against their extremism. Same for women's rights (feminism), abortion issues, and just plain government. You can make fun of him all you want but he has had a great forum all these years and we get to hear issues never exposed by the BIG BOYS. Even to this day. He also rips the liberals to shreds for their BS and hypocrisy which we never heard before.

Breibart exposed things that were ripping America apart such as ACORN and others. What is interesting to me is you never give old CBS any time for Dan Rather, or NBC for their fake crash tests, or PBS for their totally liberal spewings. So, your criticisms are really just your uninformed bias-left opinions. I am sure you always give equal treatment to both sides at KVMR, right?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 05 June 2015 at 02:04 PM


Is NBC and their subsidiary "news programs" (Dateline NBC, etc.) legitimate.....Paul Emery Approved™..... sources?

Walt

Nice try Paul, Rush never claims to be a "news man". But his analysis on the news of the day and LIB BS is dead to rights spot on. Otherwise he wouldn't have the listenership that he does, and has had all these years. But slam away non the less Paul.

OHHHHhhhaaaa yes... Good ol' KZAP.. too bad it got ZAPPED. What was part was your doing in it's demize? Didn't it go classical? ( Man,,, that was a LONG time ago)

As for Breitbart, they are doing a lot better than MSNBC or CNN.
As I took Patricia to task. Do tell where BB is "goosing" the stories. And just like her, your going off what some other is saying, and not first hand info.

It's always interseting to hit up the likes of LIB news just to see what they are NOT reporting. ( like AGW stories that point to lies and fabrications. NOPE,, not going there.)

Walt

Well,,, HERE is how LIB news reported on the NOAA report. Please note (LIBS) no mention of the doctoring of the facts by NOAA
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/scientists-drop-science-bomb-on-climate-skeptics.html

Don Bessee

Hey PE, you are aware that Breitbart is dead and thus has no involvement in the web site right?

Bonnie McGuire

I remember hearing Rush the first time. It was like Fresh air and uplifting...instead of the same o same o. The major media was aiding and abetting the lying enviro's claiming the loggers were cutting down all the trees and causing the spotted owl to become extinct. They even had viewers vote for or against the loggers or spotted owl. Before it got that far someone had given me an issue of the San Francisco Examiner that had a Gov. ad promising a paid vacation to anyone who would go to the Sierra and demonstrate against logging. After watching this crap over the years, and the lies told about decent hard working people I find it hard to believe anything the political lemmings have to say.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 05 June 2015 at 02:04 PM

What about "Rolling Stone"? Journalists....legitimate news source?

George Rebane

Walt 315pm - good catch Walt. AGW was built on lies, went worldwide on lies, and now continues on lies. We always have to remember that the central planners have only AGW to use as a hammer to pound their command and control society into place.

PaulE 2014pm - No one can diminish Limbaugh's entertainment value. However, what you and the progressives seem to miss is that the substance delivered by his commentaries is listened to by more people than anyone else's in the country (Right & Left), and then talked about for the rest of the day. And it would be edifying if you or the other libs would point to a couple flagrant misreports of fact by Limbaugh. (You can lambast his opinions and interpretations to you heart's content.)

Walt

Ah yes.. The spotted owl. First it was "old growth forests are their ONLY habitat!"
Now we can't cut fire damaged trees, because the spotted owl needs that too.
I do miss Rush's old ECO whacko updates. ( Born Free playing with all sorts of gunfire and animal noises in the background)

And a great comparison Fish,,, let;s see what the Great, Paul has to say. I'm sure there will be an excuse thrown in.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 05 June 2015 at 02:04 PM


CBS?

Surely they the network of Murrow, Cronkite, Rather.....they would be a legitimate news outlet? No comedians or scandals associated with them?

Walt

OK Paul and Patricia,, Which story more accurately reflects the truth? The one from LIB news or The Daily caller? (and also other "righty" media as well) Need a reminder?
LIB news says nothing of cooking the books on the NOAA data, but "our news" does.

Now don't be shy, and no Paul,, no changing the subject which you are famous for doing.
But I do expect nothing but crickets from Patty.

fish

Geeez......nothing but dead air from Mr. Emery. Okay I'll lob a softball......The Sacramento Bee.....surely they'd never be caught dead employing a reporter who made up people to populate a significant percentage of her stories?

Nahh...legitimate news outlets have editorial controls and oversight......legitimate news outlets like the L.A. Times.....?

Of course even legitimate and unbiased purveyors of the news are sometimes subject to .....really, really, really Bad timing!

Eric Slater, Los Angeles Times (2005)

The Los Angeles Times fired veteran reporter Eric Slater in April 2005 after reporter Melissa Daugherty from Chico's daily newspaper, the Enterprise-Record, revealed that Slater's article on hazing at Chico State University was rife with inaccuracies and relied heavily on unnamed sources. Questions subsequently arose about whether Slater fabricated the piece or actually visited Chico at all. Slater also quoted the university president by lifting a quote from the Enterprise-Record without attribution. University staff received an apology from the Times, which the president felt was inadequate.

Slater's mistakes humiliated the Times because the error-laden story ran two days after former media critic David Shaw wrote in his column that Internet bloggers do not deserve protection under journalistic "shield laws" because their work has no editorial oversight.

Todd Juvinall

Fish, when a liberal is confronted with fact which are contrary to their dogma they end up like Robby the Robot on Forbidden Planet. They breakdown and go silent.

fish

Stupid Italics


Hey Greg....how do you kill the html after the fact?

Don Bessee

Fish, was David Shaw writing about he who's name we shall not speak?

fish

.....here's a pretty good summary of the incident from Slate, a credible news source


Yeah.....credible enough to be taken in and then defend getting spoofed by somebody submitting a story on "Monkeyfishing".

Sounds like they almost ready for the big time Paul!

George Rebane

fish 430pm - YOU don't kill italics, or anything else, once you push the 'Post' button. C'est moi who has to go and clean up your mess. Of course, TypePad could help by not rippling the italics you fail to close through the rest of the comment stream. However, you can add a 'clean up comment' which starts with the HTML 'end italics' tag and fools TypePad.

Walt

( GASSSSP!!!!) From The N.Y. Times.
I don't think they mentioned Ca. ECO LIBS having a part in the water problem.
But a good read non the less.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/business/energy-environment/california-farmers-dig-deeper-for-water-sipping-their-neighbors-dry.html

fish

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 June 2015 at 05:02 PM

I posted the tag.... it didn't do anything.

Paul Emery

RE Walt 5:33

I'm glad you agree with the essence of the nytimes story you linked to despite what you point out is a flaw in their analysis. Well written article Walt. Glad you read it.

"But now there’s a problem for all the farmers, no matter what rights they have to surface water: Heavy drilling by farmers near Sack Dam is causing the land to cave in so much that the water is having trouble taking its normal path. Further subsidence will make it hard for water to get through Sack Dam to Mr. Michael’s farm and those of his neighbors.

“Water traditionally flowed with gravity,” as Mr. Michael put it. “It isn’t going to run uphill.”.....................

Don Bessee

PE- If were not for the suicidal policies of the eco nuts we might have developed a rational water storage program in the last 30 years for CA. Its quite funny that the same folks who used to bleat about population controls are happy to have 30 or 40 million illegal resource gobblers who they want to vote with them citizen or not.

Bill Tozer

Well boys and Miss Bonnie and Miss Patrica, both fine young lassies: Let's open the hood and take a look, shall we.

Big picture time. ABC is owned by Disney. NBC is owned by Comcast. So, if you really want to see who is behind all this biased news and designed non-news, blame that squeaky Micky Mouse and Larry the Cable Guy. They pull the strings.

Jon

Hay Don, how much water would be in that reservoir right now that they could have built 30 years ago?

30 or 40 million illegals? Wow. That's a new one Don. Just throw out any number and hope it sticks with Breitbart.

Paul, now I know why folks like you stay away from here for weeks and months!....

Don Bessee

Ah the what ever shows up. Too many crickets in liberal lament land? Thanks for the shallow and lame engagement as we have come to expect. The illegal immigration numbers are out there nameless one. When was the last time we built a dam in CA buttercup? Hell if they just did state wide regular major sediment removal things would be better. But alas the narcissistic folks like you say 'we can play god and pick which poorly performing little critter must live, screw Darwin'. How's that working out for you guys?

Account Deleted

from Paul - "he accused her of practicing racism as a federal employee."
She admitted that she did, in fact, as a federal employee, deliberately and actively mistreat some one because they were euro descent. None of this 'accused' BS, Paul. She admitted it. You don't get to break the law and then say "oopsie". She was fired by the Obama admin. It doesn't matter if the crime was 20 years ago or yesterday. It was criminal. Is that all you have on Bart? You keep bringing it up. Why don't you go to Breitbart right now and come back and tell us all of the things that are wrong.

Walt

No Auburn dam, because the white water rafters would have to find something else to do.
No dam on the Yuba because brush covered slopes are pretty.
Good thing smarter heads prevailed in S.F. or Hetch hechy would be drained and become a new money pit instead of the water and power resource it is today. BTW,, just where would S.F. replace over 1/3rd of it lost water supply from? Answer that Manny, Moe and Jack.

Don Bessee

Scott your are spot on, the fact is they are just pissed we have learned the game and there are real investigative journalists with us in spite of their best efforts! Too much truth for their narratives to flourish anymore.

Todd Juvinall

Jonnie troll is here again? Jeeze, he supplies nothing for discussion and simply does the "troll boogey". I wonder why he never posts on the FUE's blog?

Don Bessee

oooopsie, that's what I get for going from texting to typing! Please scratch your, insert you. ;-). Todd- because no one would see it.

Steven Frisch

Well, we have built 21,000,000 af of storage since 1959, 8.600,000 af of that has been since 1969, and we have built 1,600,000 af since 2000. The issue my friend is only partly that some people don't want to built; it is mostly that all the good spots are taken already by the1.400 dams we have already built and new sites are too expensive for water users to pay for their construction and operation. Oh, and yeah, we built two dams in Los Angeles County just in the last 10 years totaling another 40,000 af in storage.

http://www.water.ca.gov/damsafety/damlisting/index.cfm

Todd Juvinall

It sprinkled a bit at my house a few minutes ago. If we had some storage we might have saved it. LOL!

Looks like my idea of bringing Columbia River water to Shasta is starting to get some supporters.

Walt

Well Stevey shows up. 10 years and only 40,000 AF to show for it. That's just a drop
in the proverbial bucket. Englebright holds twice that. That's not much to crow about Stevey....
And don't forget the mandatory "emergency flood" restrictions all the dams have. No more than 2/3s capacity. So 1/3rd is already lost right out of the box.
In the mean time, needed water today gets sent to the sea.. Just how much is that total loss Steve? When crops could use that water. Naaa, six bait fish are more important. ( Not six species,, six in total)

Walt

BTW Stevey,, Since when have LIBS cared about the cost of anything? They are REAL good at pissing away money. The "new" Bay bridge is a good example. Huge cost over runs, sub standard construction, corruption, and already falling apart.

Bill Tozer

Hey Walt, remember those old bumper stickers that read Dam it, Darm It! about 25 years ago all over Auburn? Not a new proposal by any means, but the results remain the same.

Walt

YUP!
My neighbor was one of the survey engineers on the project.
He was sure bummed when the plug was pulled.

Now on to more pressing matters,,
Things are getting ugly El Southa'
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/05/breaking-us-cbp-chopper-down-at-texas-border-fired-on-from-mexico/

Back in the good ol' days, the Mexicans kept their gun fire confined to East and West
Back then there were repercussions if bullets crossed the boarder. Nope,, not today.

George Rebane

Re Columbia River water -
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2014/08/water-water-everywhere.html?cid=6a00e54f86f2ad883301a73e0b8ccd970d#comment-6a00e54f86f2ad883301a73e0b8ccd970d

Bill Tozer

Oh Walt, worse than fling bullets is emotions. Yep, you better not hurt anyone's feelings cause you will end up on the short end of the stick. Accidents are not allowed to happen.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-college-professors-afraid-teach-094500030.html

Jon

Walt,
What are your proposed repercussions? Are you going to declare War against Mexico? I believe you up to 15 separate declared wars by now. Have you consulted Paul Ryan on the cost of your various international endeavors and police actions?

And just when were the good old days on the Mexican border? I assume prior to when the Republican President at the time signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, and Republican Bush the Father signed additional orders to solidify amnesty a few years later?

Jon

Can someone actually cite any reference, indirectly or directly, to the 30 to 40 million illegal immigrant number that Don threw out?
Where is that coming from? Thanks.

Bill Tozer

Order in the house I say, order. Sure, there is always the road nazi putting up 12 MPH signs no matter how far out you live. And, sure, there is always a handful of parents giving shout outs to their kids when they receive the parchment. But this power mad authoritarian dude reminds me of a Rolly-Polly bragging on his blog that he will have a chat with a business shaming them into removing a Elk Jerky sign in the storefront window. Rollie Pullie make me get down and ROFLOA. Yes, I have sunk to that level.
http://wreg.com/2015/06/02/warrants-issued-for-people-who-cheered-at-senatobia-graduation/

Don Bessee

YO! Frisch! I said 30 years. While I am some stupid white male my math says my stated window at the very extreme was closed at 1985 sir. Be so kind as to relate the post 85' storage to perhaps a major cities daily use. Even Nevada Counties would be relevant. :-)

Walt

Damn "jon",, just who's side are you on? You get a cut of that Mexican dirt weed?
Maybe "O" should pull all the CBP off the boarder. It would be safer and no shots will be fired. No more helicopters to harass to peaceful drug dealers. It's the only capitalism they know... Right? You can always use the excuse it's MMJ and they have people that need their medicine. ( Coke is a pharmaceutical too... Depending on who you ask)
Yup,, back in the good ol' days we shot back, and it got the point across.
Since it's catch and release down on the boarder, turn over issue to Fish and game. they have even less man power. Yup, the boarder patrol agents will have a limit to the number or Reo Grande "fish" they can snag crawling out the water. Say 4? ( and get fired for throwing them back.)

The drugers should be shot on sight if I had my way. If gunfire come from Mexico, return the favor and plenty of it.
And if the Mexican Gov. won't do anything about it, send in our own "cleaning crew".
But of course, LIBS like you will snivel and whine.
I sure wish I had you for a neighbor, so I could give you a first hand lesson.
I would throw my refuse, and even the collected dog crap into YOUR yard, and make it your problem. And don't you dare bitch about it. I like to target shoot. I guess you wouldn't mind a few stray bullets coming your way.
that's your attitude about the Southern boarder,, deal with it. ( It's always OK when it doesn't affect you directly)

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Walt | 05 June 2015 at 08:15 PM


1,600,000 af in the last 10 years. You are missing the point, even the mediocre spots for new big dams are gone. MWD does't even think Sites that we just voted $3 billion for does not pencil. You guys will of course never learn that your don't know WTF you are talking about.

Don Bessee

Hmmmm, duck the silt issue, check. Failed to answer the question, check. Ignored the movements to demolish the existing storage, check. How many houses sir? For how long sir? What is their level now and what does that do for our inner city kids? WATER TO THE PEOPLE! Fair prices for food.

Todd Juvinall

For "jonnie". You buddy Jorge Ramos of Telemundo, when interviewing Ann Coulter used 40 million. Dropped to 30 million illegals.

GeorgeR, hey you and I have been talking about that Columbia River water for a long time!

The Auburn dam should be built. Hell the rich libs are building high rise apartments on the San Andreas fault so what's the problem?

Walt

You can't even keep your own story straight. THIS is what you said above.
"we built two dams in Los Angeles County just in the last 10 years totaling another 40,000 af in storage." Now you crap out "1,600,000 af in the last 10 years" ??
The same line of BS that is said about AGW. make it up as you go along.
There are plenty of good spots to build dams. just none the ECO idiots like. They (you) would rather see them all come down. What's more important? Water to supply food and drink?
or something to look at?
Again LIBS have NEVER been fiscally aware of anything. Since when do LIBS care about the cost of anything? Nice try.(actually a piss poor try)

Walt

Try again tomorrow Stevey after the bottle of Mad Dog wears off.

Paul Emery

Frish

This is by and large a very small but remarkably ignorant group that participates in this blog. The water situation in California is very real and requires careful understanding of history and science. We may have dug us a hole we can't easily get out of. If indeed California is returning to being an arid region, which historically it has been. it will take more than shoulda woulda thinking to get us out of it. There is nothing more basic than water and air to our existence.

Gregory

So Paul, with your careful understanding of history and science sans any particular formal schooling in either, what do we do?

Frisch (the six figure CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council) is on the record for putting meters on all residential wells and instituting fees paid to the state for every gallon pumped from what is ostensibly private property. What do you think? In my case, with no irrigation of landscaping, most of the water pumped gets returned to the ground... so should I have a meter on my septic return to charge the state for every gallon that gets put back? Enquiring minds want to know.

If we are at the start of a 1000 year dry spell, we should resign ourselves to water shortages and a shrinking population as Gaia is not required to move the rain to where people want to live. Perhaps we should encourage our illegal immigrants to move to Oregon where there is currently plenty of water, while warning them to say "I'm not a Californian" to increase their acceptance among the Oregonians.

Let's also note that NOAA sponsored research verifies the drought is not a result of CO2 based AGW; the current weather patterns do not conform to those predicted by the general circulation models blessed by the IPCC. But, if we can agree AGW is not an issue, using coal to generate power for desalination plants could help until physics and engineering is cracks the fusion nut, as we'll never find the real estate to install enough Chinese photovoltaics to produce enough power for desalinised water for everyone to drink.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 05 June 2015 at 11:53 PM


Pompous much?

Steven Frisch

Jesus you guys are such frigging idiots?

What "silt issue" that you previous reference did I 'duck' Don? Was it after 7pm? Had you been drinking Don?

Do math (or read) much Walt? 1,600,000 af since 2000 and 40,000 af in LA in the last 10 years were two separate statements. Does it take a rocket scientist to figure ut the 40,000 af is part of the 1.6 million? By the way, a 'boarder' is someone who lives in your house.

Auburn dam Todd? HTF are you going to fill it Todd? Even in normal years we can't keep reservoirs on the American River full. And how are you going to pay for it?

And finally, Greg, what can I say? All I can say is I am sorry you are such a warped, wretched, angry little man....sounds like you should take some more Haldol, oh, and O hear you should not fly...don't want another 'accident.'

Paul is correct, small, ignorant, opinionated, and irrelevant.

Steven Frisch

And NO Jon, no one can cite any trusted reference to the 30 to 40 million illegal immigrant number that Don threw out.

It is like a libertarian version of telephone on acid.

Don mouths, Todd repeats, Walt punctuates with jabberwocky, Greg polishes their knob, and George laughs.

Todd Juvinall

I see the robot Steve Frisch is here again copy/pasting. Jeeze do you have a brain of your own? All you do is mouth idiocies from the DailyKos and the Nation. Try harder, you are such a embarrassment to your ilk.

Paul Emery, I know you only say these thing to rile up those people better than you so I laugh it off. I mean, tell us all your level of education. If your knowledge of things is so poor, how can you be trusted with the news?

I do understand DonB's issue on silt. Englebright is a good example. Built to keep the silt from hitting the valley, it has never been dredged as far as I know. Its capacity is greatly diminished. I am sure there are more of these kinds of dams.

I do think Frisch has got one thing right. There was a new reservoir built in SoCal a number of years ago. However, the population has doubled in our state and we stopped building Oroville and Shasta type dams a long time ago. It is time to build the Auburn Dam and many more.

fish

And how are you going to pay for it?


Interesting this question isn't asked more often when "Big Programs/Big Projects" are put into play.

Todd Juvinall

Jorge Ramos, a famous Mexican immigrant running Telemundo used the 40 million and then 30 million in his quest for amnesty. All said during his interview with Ann Coulter. She trounced his sorry ass just like Frisch always get trounced here. Liberals are so stupid.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 05 June 2015 at 11:53 PM


So....any progress on that "Approved Legitimate News Source" list Paul?

Steven Frisch

I see the fool Todd is at it again, I would challenge him to find a place where I have quoted either Daily Kos or The Nation, but if I did I would corroborate the information, something there seems to be a serial void of on this blog.

The reason there is no new Oroville or Shasta Dam is that there are no places for Dams like those anymore, the places are all taken, as I pointed out above but no one wants to address. The places that are left are all so expensive that even southern California water agencies and the agricultural community don't want to finance them.

The Auburn Dam today would cost at least $12 billion to build in current dollars, and the water supply to fill it is seriously in question. There would be at most about 1million af of flow annually and Folsom remains partly empty even in normal years and can take most of that capacity, meaning it would be unlikely to actually add any new net supply of water. If there was excess water it could flow through Folsom and into the Delta and be pumped into the aqueduct at a much lower cost (and would solve the Delta salinity problem, so if the water WAS there why do we still have a Delta salinity problem?)

Moving water from the proposed Auburn Dam to link into the California aqueduct system would also be very costly, and is not figured into that $12 billion cost.

As I said, libertarian telephone on acid!

Steven Frisch

Just to be clear, I am not anti-Dam, I am anti-stupid Dam; I would support on-stream storage in many places that are cost effective.

I did not say there is not an opportunity from removing silt, I would support that as well, and hope we use some of that storage money we just voter for in Prop 1 to do that, I noted that Don did not reference it before he incoherently dinged me for not addressing it, leading me to to think he had been hitting the bottle before he posted.

Steven Frisch

Wow, Ramos said it in an interview with Coulter! Now I believe it.

Libertarian telephone on acid.

Todd Juvinall

I see the ignorant fool Steve Frisch is at it again. He is not anti dam he says but makes all the leftwing arguments against them. Jeeze what a moron he is.

When talking about immigration and its proponents why is Jorge Ramos to not be believed? He says his people are 40 million, so I guess Frisch must be a racist for disagreeing with Ramos. Of course there is not one minority in his "business". What a hoot.

When you read Frisch's idiot responses you can see why no one believes anything a liberal says. Though he argues his positions vehemently, as soon as it is apparent he is wrong or bsted, he says, "well I never said I was against (fill in the blank)"/ Goodness, and his ilk is why California is in the crapper.

Lastly, Steve Frisch is the $113,000 a year (plus benefits I am sure) paid CEO of a non=profit eco nut organization. That alone should disqualify him from any serious arguments since he is a paid stooge for the left.

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