Another Moderate Muslim turns Radical Raghead (updated 21jul15)

 

George Rebane

Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez murdered four US Marines in Chattanooga before dying in a gunfight with police.  The FBI immediately took charge of the investigation, discovered some culpatory tweets from unknown locations, and briefed the President.  Our president then assumed his long-established stance of immediate amelioration by identifying this obvious raghead as just a “lone gunman” about whom there is an ongoing federal investigation.  The words ‘radical Islam’ again never left his lips, nor were any obvious dots connected to let the nation know that our law enforcement is not as dense about what is happening in the world as is the White House.  In fact, more astute commentators this afternoon are correctly concluding that Obama did everything he could to “disconnect the dots.”

Contributing to the President’s pabulum was Ray Mabus, the U.S. Navy secretary, who called the shootings “both devastating and senseless.”  Senseless??!!  Again one more administration official from another planet.  When considered from the viewpoint of organizations like ISIS or Al-Qaida, these long-promised attacks make all the sense in the world.  Yet the administration disconnects another set of dots with inane statements like this.  At least he got the ‘devastating’ part right.

What surprised me most was the Chattanooga mayor telling the nation that he “was surprised” that such an attack could have happened.  Where in hell has he been?  Even those poor souls who could not add two and two have been told from the highest law enforcement levels that murderous radical Muslims are living among us; that we should expect such lone wolf attacks whether directed from overseas or self-motivated.  Polling America’s Muslims has revealed that hundreds of thousands of so-called moderate Muslims believe perpetrating violence in America to achieve Islamic ends is fully justified. (more here)  Abdulazeez was by no means the first moderate Muslim turned murderous Islamist within our borders, and you can bet the ranch that he will not be the last.

As a footnote, it also turned out that the feds’ pronouncement of the existence of ‘no credible threat’ surrounding the July 4th holiday was a lie (aka 'untruth') as reported by Catherine Herridge chief Intelligence Correspondent of Fox News.  Therefore such statements in the future will have about as much credibility as Hillary describing the disposition of her emails.  But the credibility we now seek is from the real moderate Muslim communities in America rising up with one strong unassailable voice to denounce not only the latest raghead, but also that interpretation of Islam that gives rise to his ilk.  And some better polling results would be much appreciated.

[17jul15 update]  This update is offered as a public service to the FBI and other federal agencies currently confounded by and busy attempting to determine the motive that Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez had for his 16jul15 attacks in Chattanooga.  While their claims of being puzzled about such things are remarkable in themselves, their mischaracterization of this radical Muslim is even more disturbing.

Let’s clear up the motive first.  Abdulazeez launched his attack to make existential the longstanding threats of international Islamic jihadists like ISIS and Al-Qaeda to demonstrate that Islam’s ability to project terror knows no bounds.  They and their indigenous adherents are already in place everywhere, and there is nowhere – especially in the very heart of the Great Satan – that they cannot strike to kill the infidel and sow fear into the hearts of those who would resist the spread of Islam as Allah has commanded.

And please don’t confuse motive with the exact nature of the relationship(s) Abdulazeez would have had with various overseas sponsors of Islamic terror.  That is a wholly separate area of investigation.  The thing to always remember is that such terrorists can arise from the midst of our moderate Muslim communities, unknown and unannounced to the best of our intelligence efforts to predict and interdict such attacks.  One-way communications from terrorist websites to resident Muslims who are psychologically and spiritually prepared is all that is necessary and sufficient to carry out, continue, and expand such attacks indefinitely.

Also, you folks seem not to know with whom you are dealing, especially those of you high up in the ranks of law enforcement and counter-terrorist agencies.  In front of cameras you sound like know-nothing politicians when you describe people like Mr Abdulazeez as being a “coward” or “cowardly”.  Given Islam’s perspective of western civilization as interpreted within their belief system, Abdulazeez was anything but a coward.  This young man, raised and educated in America, concluded on his own to sacrifice his life for his god and civilization to perform what he knew to be a limited yet very symbolic act that would unambiguously communicate the success and dedication of Islam in striking at the heart of its greatest enemy.  He knew his sacrifice would inspire thousands of like-minded Muslims who daily contemplate how best to offer their own contribution to the spread of Islam.  To those thousands, both here and worldwide, his was an act of supreme and glorious sacrifice to be admired and imitated.

(And we on our side abet and invite more such sacrifices as we writhe in our various attempts to mollify Islam, especially in America.  An example and object of such contempt to the zealous jihadists is the mayor of Seattle who is seeking ways – fasten seat belts – to facilitate the influx of Sharia law-abiding Muslims into the greater Seattle area by finding ways they can finance home purchases without having to pay the interest so loathsome to Islam’s true believers (more here).  Is this elected public official addled, or does he represent a broader sensibility of progressives working to transform America?)

[21jul15 update]  It's not clear whether the FBI peeked at the above correct answer, but today they announced that Abdulazeez's murderous rampage was indeed an act of terror.  Now you, I, and at least another 100M American's knew that within the hour of the news report.  But when government competence is considered, then we can rejoice that it took only a week for them to reach the conclusion.  And that, for some mysterious reason, then allowed the White House to fly its flag at half staff.  Go figger.

Comments

[Don Bessee]

The father was a west bank Palestinian and most reviews for asylum only look at the violence in the area not if they are aligned with quasi political groups like hezbola or the brotherhood etc. who hate us. At least as an electrical engineering graduate he only used some long guns. Prayers for the families of our warriors and the police involved. Will they too be victims of 'work place violence' and take an act of congress to get treated like the hero's they are.

[joe smith]

Your comment is disjointed and makes no sense. "At least as an electrical engineering graduate he only used some long guns". Sounds like he was quite effective from some distance. Are you suggesting he should have used a snub nosed .38 or pehaps a straight edged razor?

[Account Deleted]

So - the star and crescent flag will be banned in this country?
Yeah - I didn't think so.

[Don Bessee]

Yo joe, with that education he was fully able to construct something much more impactful in the car bomb mode by remote. I would also note he had a DUI in April. Good muslim or knowing he was on the road to the virgins?

[Bill Tozer]

Good Muslims do not consume alcohol, period.

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[Bill Tozer]

Islam is the preferred religion of liberals. Only to them does cutting off heads make sense, but eating bacon doesn't.

https://www.facebook.com/Protectingourconstitution/photos/pb.123123377842466.-2207520000.1437107926./451651658322968/?type=3&theater

So, disarming me will make me safer? Another bonehead idea that makes sense to liberals. Only tyrants and liberals hate the word "militia".

[Jon]

I can see Tozer as one of the militia-men in that classic flick- The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming, perhaps remade for 2015.

[Don Bessee]

So cute the 'jon jon', the Russians came all over Georgia and the Ukraine who had a pact with them and US to protect them after they gave up their nukes. A lesson the mullahs leaned well.

[Jon]

hey Donnie Boy! Love your late evening posts.

[Bill Tozer]

Darn Jon, you have mentioned the The Russians are Coming more than once and I have yet to see it. That puts me out of the loop. It's not that I worry about the Russians are coming. What concerns me is the ragheads are here. Even more so than those two previously deported illegal pieces of shit that each murdered young ladies less than 24 hours apart, including burning alive a 3 year old boy.
No, it's the ragheads that are here now. Who let the dawgs out?? Our asshole President said this gun violence does not happen in other civilized countries. Oh really now!
Jon, here is your homework assignment. Name one civilized country on the planet from Canada to Europe to points beyond where there is a Muslim, there is not violence and gun violence perpetuated by a slime ball Muslim immigrants. Screw them and the camels they rode in on. Ragheads are the enemies of our Constitution, be they foreign or domestic.

The only ones that knows how to handle these primitive people from very primitive cultures is China. China makes them register, puts them in a designated neighborhood, keeps an eye on them 24/7. Need a permit to go to a mosque, and restricts their movements and even says how often they are permitted to go to a mosque. I am for just killing them and thus do away with the constant viligance and drained resources caused by the robust followers of the religion of body parts. But, China would probably not heed my advise. Ok, besides civil China, name one place on the planet that is better off for throwing out the welcome mat for Ali Baba and his 40 thieves.

[Todd Juvinall]

I have a 40 year friend from Alabama. He served in Vietnam as a Marine. His momma is still going at 91 in a nice neighborhood in Birmingham. One day the woke up and a mosque was under construction two parcels away. So after a short time the mosque was completed and the cops started cruising the place as the "peaceful" Muslims were chanting "death to America" in this place of "worship". Other incidents followed. I think BillT is on to something.

[Jon]

So based on all the comments here, I would presume you guys would be in favor of relocation camps for all Muslims in America, regardless of citizenship or legal status.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yes and fifth columnists like you "jon". Traitor.

[Todd Juvinall]

Besides "jon" I did not see you denouncing Linda Campbell's comments on the Tea Party that were much worse. How come? A Muslim yourself?

[Walt]

Here we go again. LIB town looking to help Muslims. So paying interest on a loan is against their religion?
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2015/07/seattle-mayor-offers-plan-to-help-followers-of.html

Allow one Sharia law to fly will open the door to all the rest. Like killing a wife of child because they disrespected Daddy.

[Jon]

ooh, Todd thinks I am a traitor....a guy making a few comments from a progressive American viewpoint on some obscure message board is a TRAITOR? LOL.

Thanks Todd for confirming your opinion that we need Muslim Relocation Camps in America. Just wanted that on the record.

I don't think Campbell's comments were "much worse". I agree with her actual sentiments apart from her over-the-top style. She was simply getting all irrationally fired up, the same way Walt (and Todd and others from time to time) gets fired up on here. No difference.

[George Rebane]

Walt 920am - Why on earth would any politician seek to facilitate the influx of Muslims who embrace Sharia into their jurisdictions??!!

[Walt]

Not a clue Dr. R.. But "jon" might be able to tell us. We must consult a LIB mind to ascertain that question. ( GOD help us)

[Jon]

Walt, something wrong with you? How do you imagine that I would support any locality in America allowing or promoting Sharia Law for its Muslim population?
All I'm doing is questioning the containment, confinement and legal discrimination against Muslim American citizens and legal residents. Not exactly radical.

[Jon]

"GOD help us" Walt 10:05am

Therein lies the problem, the framework of religion. Perhaps Muslims are asking for the same assistance from the same freaking God.

Heed the John Lennon song, Walt. Good advice.

[Todd Juvinall]

"jon" since you are a troll and not a real person, who cares what I say about you? I do think your ilk are traitors to the Consytituion and America. Never defending and making fun of true patriots. You undermine freedom for people and business in the quest for power. So, yes, I call you traitor. When your pal Linda Campbell trashed the Tea Party and conservatives you stay quiet, we all know what that means.

[Jon]

I just told you what I thought of Campbell's rant and accusations. Just like the ones from you and Walt against progressives. No difference whatsoever.

[Todd Juvinall]

Oh there is a huge difference. Walt speaks for himself as I do for myself. You are a troll "jon". I don't care what you say since you are unknown. For all we know you are a Muslim. And you will defend your religion and your desire for "Sharia" law here. Regarding "progressives". Every word I have said about them is based on personal experience. They are not to be trusted and they do not have America's interests at heart. They refuse to support the troops and they hate capitalism. That tells me they are in the wrong country. So, you are no different than the "chicken farmer" from Europe in the 30'2.

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon 9:37 AM said
"I don't think Campbell's comments were "much worse". I agree with her actual sentiments apart from her over-the-top style. She was simply getting all irrationally fired up, the same way Walt (and Todd and others from time to time) gets fired up on here. No difference."

So you support her and that is my point. She is no different then you and your ilk. I think perhaps FDR's strategy of putting the suspected enemy into camps may be looked at as pragmatic in the war with the Muslims.

[Jon]

Todd, thanks again for confirming your support of Relocation Camps for "suspected" people of Islamic faith. You are going to trust the federal government now to determine who is suspicious and who isn't? Now that's real progressive thinking! Wow, what could be the downside to that, right?

...did you ever consider for a fleeting moment that subjugating and detaining Muslims on a large scale in America would likely lead to exponentially larger scale of domestic and foreign terrorism? Didn't think so...

[Jon]

Todd, I have a few Muslim friends and colleagues who are American citizens, highly educated professionals. I am fairly sure they don't support any of the Republican candidates. Are they to be rounded up and questioned?

[Steven Frisch]

Nice to know that Todd and Walt would suspend the Constitution in the heat of a response to an irrational and reprehensible act like the attack on the Marine recruiting facilities in Chattanooga. With friends like you guys it is truly remarkable that the Constitution has lasted as long as it has. Of course if either of you are ever inconvenienced by running out of toilet paper I hope you go to newspaper instead of parchment.

[Steven Frisch]

By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill.

[fish]

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 17 July 2015 at 01:47 PM

I'm pretty sure that I couldn't be made to care what Linda Campbell (???) said if I was being held at gunpoint.

Who the hell is Linda Campbell....does she work for you Steve?

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: fish | 17 July 2015 at 02:10 PM

Read the thread above Fish.

[Gregory]

"By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill." - Frisch

Name one thing Campbell has written that is remotely similar to anything of mine, Steve. Quote vs quote, not in your twisted moral equivalence fantasies.

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon, you are a troll and it looks like you are also a Muslim. You are not a person in business and you like everything Linda Campbell says. That makes you a loon. I say let's use the FDR strategy of camps for the Muslims until they surrender the war they started. What is wrong with that? FDR was your greatest democrat President!

Since Jon is now a self proclaimed Muslim, I don't think he has any credibility here or anywhere except maybe the Teheran Times. A good fifth columnist for the jihadies.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 02:28 PM

So Todd, what if Jon is a Muslim. Would there be something wrong with that?

[Jon]

LOL. That was great stuff Todd. Did you also lot of imaginary friends as a kid, and pretend you were in an alternate world?

But thanks for some historical insight Todd. I didn't realize American Muslims declared and started a war on America. Wow. Perhaps someone should update Wikipedia.

[Todd Juvinall]

Your favorite Pres FDR said resident Japanese were to be sent to camps and they had not declared war on America. Are you even aware of history? And your Muslim faith and your jihadie friends, how is that working out for you.

[fish]

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 17 July 2015 at 02:15 PM

A mention of Linda Campbell by Todd and some back and forth between him and Jon. Followed by some "tone policing" by you.

Not much to go on here Steve.

You said that you're only here for the "comedy". If the comedy stylings of the "Todd and Jon Show" aren't to your liking you're always free to leave for someplace more "entertaining".

[Jon]

Todd, since you feel so strongly about the subject, why don't you write an Op-Ed in the Union promoting internment camps for Muslim Americans? Would love to see it, and reaction to it.

I know you'd just love to return to those days of the 1941 era when we unconstitutionally and criminally mistreated and detained Japanese Americans.

[Jon]

Per Wiki,
"The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to 82,219 Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs.[15][17]

Todd, in hindsight 75 years later, do you think America recognized the forced relocation policy of Japanese Americans to be a good thing or a bad thing?

[RL Crabb]

Should we get the money from these terrorists before we lock 'em up? http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/16/3681547/muslims-raise-money-for-black-churches/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tptop3

[Gregory]

That racist bastard Leland Stanford made a clear case that Asians should be barred from immigrating to the USA... it's about time Stanford University is renamed and stops discriminating against Asians applying for undergraduate slots.

[Steven Frisch]

Todd is essentially proposing incarcerating an entire group of people based on their religion.

Hey Todd, I hear that if you bunch up the Constitution and use it as toilet paper the 10th amendment comes out first.

[Bonnie McGuire]

Very Interesting. I've never seen anything like what's been going on since Obama became President. He was right about "change." The not so funny part is that so many voters weren't interested in what he meant. We are constantly shown the terrible atrocities the so called bad Muslims (of Islam) do to those not of their faith. For those of you who condemn all religion please remember that the Communist Khrushchev said if he had a choice he would choose Islam. Do you suppose that was because its totalitarian?

We've seen a lot of names given terrorists. Confusing, but boils down to...Al-Qa'da in Iraq (AQI), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), the State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), and now it's ISIS...Iraq's Islam (Muslim)....allegedly having been at war with its Muslim brother Iran. We've been involved with their many problems for many years. Most recent...President Obama offered a defense deal with Iran on its nuclear program. He says it meets the national security interests of the United States and its allies. Those opposed to it say it won't work because Iran is untrustworthy. Who would have thought infidels could imagine such a thing?

Since 2008 when Obama was elected, despite claims of Homeland Security, the Muslim population has greatly increased in America...along with undocumented illegals flooding over our southern border. HS is baloney. We've spent $ Billions, and sacrificed our soldiers to nations like Afghanistan, Iraq and Benghazi, Libya where our Ambassador Stevens, his Aid and two former Seals were killed. Rumors claim our government was aiding the enemy. Was it similar to what a local Vet said about what was going on in Iraq? http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Stories/Lt.%20Colonel%20Metroka%20Iraq%20Story%202013/

I wonder about Ft. Hood in 2009. Thank God there was an armed person to stop him from killing more of our soldiers. Another was the Boston Marathon. These hate American people were welcomed and helped by those they hate. The latest propaganda (?) is that our soldiers are to be disarmed. If it's true I feel a little uneasy about this President and his administration?

[fish]

Todd is essentially proposing incarcerating an entire group of people based on their religion

I try to not let comedians get to me.

[Gregory]

"Todd is essentially proposing incarcerating an entire group of people based on their religion."

What I read was "I think perhaps FDR's strategy of putting the suspected enemy into camps may be looked at as pragmatic in the war with the Muslims", not a call to do it. If there is widespread Muslim hostility towards Americans on American soil and the US Muslim mainstream does not finally make a loud and firm stand against it, I've no doubt many Americans will trade freedom for others for the illusion of safety. My Japanese-American friends, including some who were interned at Manzanar, were convinced Earl Warren and other California politicos pushed for the internment of anyone with Japanese ancestry to get their hands on large tracts of farmland in the San Fernando Valley and elsewhere for pennies on the dollar.

It would have been perfectly legal for FDR and Earl Warren to incarcerate any Japanese, German, Italian and Croatian citizens... among others that I'm probably missing. The peace loving Croats were particularly interesting during WWII, essentially Germanic Slavs, they operated death camps like other Nazis but managed to exterminate more Serbs than Jews.

[Todd Juvinall]

Fish LOL!

Let me see. Hmmm. A group of people claiming they are Muslim's take a part of their religious teaching called Jihad from their holy book and go out and murder thousands, maybe millions of people. Then when confronted in the USA with their religious "Jihad" they claim freedom of religion. They also use that "Jihad" from their "holy book" to declare war on the "infidel". So "jon" and Steve Frisch side with the enemy and declare those wishing to defeat the "jihadists" are somehow against the Constitution? The illogic of PC fools is amazing. I am sure if these "jihadists" screaming Allah Akbar (protected religious beliefs) were sawing off their heads they may understand. But Steve Frisch and "Jonb" apparently want our Marines to be unarmed and unable to protect themselves on our own soil.

Lastly, It would be the "jihadist" using the Constitution as a butt wipe for fellow travelers like Jon and Frisch.

[Todd Juvinall]

I don't care what religion a person practices in America. But if they declare war on the country they are in and/or are fifth columnists you can be sure I have a problem. They will be treated just like spies unless they are part of America, taking the oath to be an American and speak the language (among other things uniquely American). I suspect the Ft Hood shooter who screamed out Allah Akbar is a poster on Steve Frisch and "jons" wall. Nothing from the religion of peace there eh?

[Steven Frisch]

Seriously Greg, once gain your position and comprehension are delusional....

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 16 July 2015 at 10:59 PM
"I am for just killing them and thus do away with the constant viligance and drained resources caused by the robust followers of the religion of body parts.

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 06:52 AM
"I think BillT is on to something."

Posted by: Jon | 17 July 2015 at 07:45 AM
"So based on all the comments here, I would presume you guys would be in favor of relocation camps for all Muslims in America, regardless of citizenship or legal status."

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 02:28 PM
"I say let's use the FDR strategy of camps for the Muslims until they surrender the war they started."

[Joe Koyote]

Tell me Todd, do you recycle, and not just the stuff you get money back for, but all the stuff like junk glass and plastic, tin cans, The Union, etc.?

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 04:18 PM

And Todd, you are delusional as well. You did not say terrorists practicing Jihad in the USA should be locked up...if you had I would agree with you...you said Muslims in the US should be locked up.

That is what using the Constitution for toilet paper looks like. Every American citizen (and by the way visitors) enjoy freedom of religion under the 1st amendment.

[Gregory]

Seriously Steven Frisch, I clearly quoted Todd for my post about what Todd wrote, you had to rely on Jon's caricatures.

If you don't think a President Hillary Clinton wouldn't incarcerate Muslims if it was expedient to do so you are at least as seriously blind as I thought.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 04:51 PM

What 'caricature' of Jon's comments is, "I say let's use the FDR strategy of camps for the Muslims until they surrender the war they started."

I really think you are incapable of rational thought when any comment pertains to something I post.

[Gregory]

Let's revisit a baldfaced lie by the CEO of the wretchedly misnamed Sierra Business Council, Nevada County's six figure 501c3 rentseeking carpetbagger from Chicago via San Francisco:
""By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill." - Frisch

Name one thing Campbell has written that is remotely similar to anything of mine, Steve. Quote vs quote, not in your twisted moral equivalence fantasies.

Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 02:27 PM

[Joe Koyote]

"If you don't think a President Hillary Clinton wouldn't incarcerate Muslims if it was expedient to do…... "

Is that what you seriously think America has come to? If so, you are worse than blind, you are out of your mind. anyone who thinks as such has been propagandized to the nth degree by moron talk show hosts, bogus news channels, and corporate funded think tanks who are manipulating your brain with disinformation and hatred. Things are not really that crazy. America is still (although less than before) a free country. What are jihadists going to do, load up on old tugboats towing barges loaded with at least 1/2 million soldiers to even consider an adequate landing force, and sail on over from the middle east? They can never land enough troops or infiltrate enough illegals to ever take over this country. Remember the cold war and being a little kid diving under your desk during atomic bomb drills? It didn't happen, never would happen, and was total propaganda inflicted upon children and adults alike. Now guess who our largest trade partner is, yes those evil communists the Chinese. This is no different except instead of rubber plantations in VietNam (a proposed Trans pacific trade partner) its about fossil fuel in the middle east. So instead of evil commies, the scenario is now evil muslims. Just like Hollywood, remake after remake after remake. You would think the billionaires and their stooges could think up a new plot.

[Todd Juvinall]

The Frisch just makes it up. He and Paul Emery and "jon" are real good at putting words in other people's mouths. Or when caught lying they change the subject.

Frisch makes a difference between Jihadist and Muslims. There is none. Every Muslim is a potential jihadist because it is their religion and written into their "holy book". I would expect Frisch and jon to raise their hand to the head choppers right before they lose their heads while screaming "Hey I love Muslims and hate the jihadists" The head choppers would respond right before the knife with "It is the same for us you infidel" Then yikes!

[Gregory]

Frisch's 4:55, once again, I see a quote by Todd that seems to promote incarcerating Muslims who start wars against us. What would you about combatants in wartime

Don't forget to answer my 4:48 reprise of my 2:27. There's a lie of yours awaiting retraction.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 05:25 PM

I think Todd just proved my point Greg, he is making no fine distinction.

Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 04:58 PM

And I think YOU just proved my point Greg :)

[Gregory]

Koyote, you've been watching too much MSNBC.

[fish]

You would think the billionaires and their stooges could think up a new plot.

Why? You still bark like a seal at this storyline!

[Gregory]

Frisch, you're only requiring fine distinctions from the people you dislike. Here's a big distinction...

"By the way, there is almost nothing that Linda Campbell said that is not said here almost every day by Todd, Greg, Walt, Fish or Bill." - Frisch

Name one thing Campbell has written that is remotely similar to anything of mine, Steve. Quote vs quote, not in your twisted moral equivalence fantasies.

Or are you just going to weasel out of it?

[George Rebane]

For the intelligent reader - in the above comment stream please note the 'It can't again happen in America' thread from the progressives. Yet it is they who have incarcerated American citizens, and it is they who are preparing to do so again if we are to believe their published directives, field manuals, and field exercises. Pointing this out gets you immediately targeted by the 'Alinsky 180' accusations of fostering exactly that for which they are preparing.

Regarding my 17jul15 update to this post, I want to point out that tonight's news continues to report that the feds are all tangled up in their undies still trying to figure out what was the raghead's motive for his killing spree and subsequent self-sacrifice. And you have to reflect that these are our finest minds working on the case.

[Todd Juvinall]

I can't understand how a self diagnosed "smart guy" like Mr. Frisch does not understand the Koran or Muslims at all. I guess his Wiki reading is missing the page that I stated here. The "jihad" is the duty of ALL Muslims. It is in their "holy book". The readers here can see the dodge by Frisch and jon etal on this very fact. The Koran was written by a Arab warrior and there is a lot of death and destruction of people who won't convert. Unlike the Holy Bible of Christianity the Koran has never been "updated" to modern peaceful vernacular. The Holy Bible was updated to love and peace by Jesus Christ and Christians have settled down over thew centuries to practice those very things.

Muslim's are taught in their schools that Jews and Christians are pigs or dogs and deserve death. None of our Christian schools teach that hate. But, Mr. Frisch can appease the Muslims all he wants but they are all head choppers in waiting in my view. If camps were good enough for the democrats in WW2 then who am I too say otherwise?

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 06:00 PM

"Yet it is they who have incarcerated American citizens, and it is they who are preparing to do so again if we are to believe their published directives, field manuals, and field exercises."

Is that an oblique Jade Helm reference George? I see America's Walmart's are filling up this week with the incarcerated Patriots of the southwest :)

[Gregory]

If Frisch and "Jon" were walking a straight line, they'd take the latest terrorist acts on US soil (the ones by Muslims) the way they're pushing for a cleansing of all Confederate sympbols... even little Fort Bragg, California, is being pushed forward as needing a name change because Bragg later went to fight for the south.

Bloody hypocrite.

[Todd Juvinall]

Did I hear the Iranian Mullahs scream Death to America! and Death to Israel! this week right after the Frenchman, John Kerry announced the "deal"? Now, maybe the Muslim's leadership didn't really mean that? Or, as our democrat politicians always say after being caught lying, "Oh, I really did mean what your heard me say". Yep those peaceful religious Mullahs in Iran, oh and the Taliban and ISIL, almost forgot. Yep nothing to see here, move along.

Steve Frisch, how many Muslim's are employed by SBC?

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 17 July 2015 at 06:13 PM

More toilet paper....who is next Todd? the Jews? the Quakers? the atheists? the Democrats? the RINO's? anyone who does not think like you?

[Todd Juvinall]

The only person here that thinks the Constitution is toilet paper is you Steve Frisch.

[Don Bessee]

Hey gang lets remember that it was the 'jon' who injected the whole internment camp bullshit to distract from the real issues that we were focused on. Next he will bring out the quad kids on breathers in electric chairs. Just because someone wants to kill your clan back in wherever your loyalty to the US is question number one with verification. There should be high criteria for a golden ticket to the USA charley and the chocolate factory plethora of goodies. The ones who engaged the system earned their spots at the front of the line deserve what they toiled for in support of the values of the US.

[George Rebane]

DonB 701pm - I've been looking at all the BS about internment camps from our leftwing readers. Do you or anyone know of how this crap got started? Is it another one of those progressive séances where they 'know what we are thinking', and then start talking about it as if it was a real proposal made by someone on the right? That has been the usual course of debate here for the last eight years or so.

[Jon]

Hey all you big brave Americans cowering in fear of Muslims- guess what? I'm going to dinner with a MUSLIM friend this weekend! Seriously. I'll even tell you its going to be in Grass Valley, downtown. Just in case you feel the need to alert the authorities.

Todd, can you cite specific examples of the American Muslim head-choppers you speak of? I'm curious. :)

[Jon]

Donnie, lets not be so insulting to Todd with your description of internet camp "bullshit". That was Todd's specific suggestion, and I agree, its bullshit. To the highest degree. Nothing really different with Todd, different day, different topic, same MO. I simply brought it out because I was tired of you guys beating around the bush with all your fear mongering about the Moderate Muslims among us.

[George Rebane]

Here's an accounting of Muslims killing Americans that might be of interest in this discussion.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm

Has anyone noticed that our progressive readers have vigorously denied the proposition that murderous jihadists emerge from the ranks of our 'moderate Muslim' communities, and that their denials have essentially been without substance and fact free.

Note that no one has stepped forward to explain away this latest raghead attack. All the conversation revolves around innuendos, diversions, and attacks on commenters who show concern that we have no viable response to halt the future course of such attacks. Their 'logic' to counter suffices with the citing that someone is going out to dinner with a Muslim, and has every expectation of surviving the encounter - ergo, there is no indigenous jihadist terror problem in the US. Precious.

[Jon]

George, seriously, the reason I even touched on the internment camp idea is because after your essay and subsequent topics here, I wasn't clear if you had a solution. Seemed some were heading in that direction- certainly Todd bought into the idea. Do you have any particular solutions to counter the potential dangers of the moderate, suburban American Muslims among us? My Muslim friends are some of kindest humans I've ever known, and certainly the most respectful and well mannered. Would you subject them to questioning or tests to prove their allegiance to the US? Two are American Citizens by birth, one naturalized.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 07:13 PM

Dude, if that is all you got it appears Muslim's kill other Americans at a much lower rate per 100,000 people per year than any other Americans do.

[George Rebane]

StevenF 728pm - Powerful logic there Mr Frisch. You've just put to bed all of America's concerns about indigenous Muslim terrorists. Please share your insight with the local FBI office, they will be relieved. Reports of a federal stand down will undoubtedly be on the 11 o'clock news.

[Jon]

Of course there's always the other side of the hate equation. Frustrated cracker taking out a chunk of a fine family of ambitious and successful young Muslim students. Nah, just a random nut who surely would have targeted a loud, noisy, Bud Light swilling group of NASCAR fans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/chapel-hill-muslim-student-shootings-north-carolina.html

[Gregory]

Jon I've even had meals cooked for me as a guest in a devout Moslem home... but tell me... why are you so forgiving of current Moslems who are silent while everyone with a confederate in their closet from 150/years ago are expected to scourge themselves as penance?

The only ancestor of mine I know of in the civil war runnned off to join the union army as a 15 year old.

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon you brought the internment issues into the discussion. I simply agreed with your progressive internment strategy put in place by your FDR. But you are just a lefty broken record. America bad, blah, blah, blah. We here like to discuss American exceptional ism while you Muslims tear it apart. You see Jon, you are a dinosaur of "liberal" thought and inaction. All words, no boots on the ground for American success. You are are cartoon. My goodness, I read you on the DailyKos and the Nation and if you ever get a original idea rather than the brainwashed gobbledygook you espouse, then we can have a decent and meaningful conversation. But alas, you are a troll. Which Mosque do you attend jon?

[Jon]

Oh that was a classic Todd! Awesome, passionate. What an All American hero you are!

[George Rebane]

Jon 734pm - I claim no ready solution to the ongoing generation of jihadists from 'moderate Muslim communities'. But I will predict that as these raghead killings proceed, there will be a backlash by the more easily incensed Americans who undoubtedly will hail from the ranks of the gun-toting rightwingers. As the feds and state authorities exhibit their inability to deal with the problem, people will react on their own recognizance. We will not be mollified by daily doses of progressive pabulum to bandage American blood. It was ever thus, and it has never been pretty.

[Todd Juvinall]

Thanks. You finally get it.

Anyone ever notice these libs never answer our questions? How can there be a discussion if that is the case?

[Jon]

Greg, my friends are mortified and disgusted by Jihadist, radically influenced Muslims. If they at any time sounded sympathetic to murder and mayhem, I'd be gone. But they aren't.

I have no problems with anyone collecting Civil War memorabilia. Why would I? Like millions of Americans of goodwill, we simply want those hateful symbols out of public spaces on governmental property and parklands!

[Gregory]

let me know when the moslem street is carrying signs against the jihadi, Jon.

[Jon]

I will Greg. But you keep on keepin' on with your priorities!

[Don Bessee]

CCC to the Nth degree.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, we could ban the fireballs in our local mosques from speaking hate speech. Take a page straight from the Enlightened Ones' "Socialism For Dummies", paperback edition.

http://patriotpost.us/alexander/36467

http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22238

[Bonnie McGuire]

I think some distractions brought to discussions lately purposely waste time. Sorry, but that's the way it looks.

[Bill Tozer]

Sorry Bonnie. How about this distraction.

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1437195006./10152850970875914/?type=3&theater

Opps. How about instant Global Warming.

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1437195500./10152919907155914/?type=3&theater

[Gregory]

"Jon", my sense is there are more Moslems in the US wishing the US ill will and Israel vanquished than there are southerners who revere Confederate flags and wish ill to blacks in America. Whatever the cries in the 19th century, most who love those flags are just saying 'I ain't a damned Yankee' and they have a right to that if they want it. But the witchhunt will continue.

Scorched earth policies of war, used by the North, typified by Sherman's march to the sea, was so intended to indiscriminately punish civilians that it's since been made contrary to the Geneva convention, and it took the better part of a century for the south to regain its footing. Their descendants have a right to remember. If they're anything like the Serbs, they'll still remember in 500 years.

[Jon]

Not sure recollections and bitter feelings of history require any particular rights. They can have as much fun with their southern redneck toys and symbols as they want. I'm not living there in the South anymore as I did for nearly 15 years, so have at it Bubba. Yahoo. But I do know the last vestiges of Confederate battle flags and symbols will finally be vanishing from official government property. If they think its a witchunt, that's too bad. Time to move-on.

[Bill Tozer]

Yo Jon. New Orleans have had the flag of Spain, France, The United States, The Conferate States, and currently The United States again, albeit it is still considered a different country in anyone's book. So, which flag should we tear down and burn in the French Quarter????

Creoles sure aren't Coonass Cajuns. Too uppity for me. I prefer getting away from The Big Easy and swimming with the real mud bugs and swamp things. The real coonasses. They left Arcadia, Canada and floated down the Mississipi until they ran out of river....all to be left the hell alone and be Catholics without religious persecution. Thus the name Cajuns, a shortened version of Arcadians. And when the Frenchies bred with the Caribbean's (who mixed with the Africans), boy o boy, the result is gorgeous. Some have white skin with jet black hair, blackest most beautiful hair you ever seen with piercing blue eyes staring back at ya. Others have different combinations of skin color and eyes and hair. Breathtaking. Can't understand what they are saying, yet they are all Americans who don't go around shooting up domestic military recruiting centers. And the Enlightened Ones mock them? Ha!
Next time you need some help or want to be welcomed as family even though you are a total stranger, call a raghead. I kinda lean towards calling a Southetn family first and a ragheaf last. But that is only cause I ain't got none of them there smarts the progressives have.

[Russ Steele]

Diplomad 2.0: Chattanooga Murders: Progressives Get the Credit

http://www.thediplomad.com/2015/07/chattanooga-murder-progressives-get.html

Make no mistake about it. The progressives who run our institutions own this mass murder as much as they do the murder in San Francisco and the daily toll of murders in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, East Los Angeles, etc. They own it from their encouragement of Muslim immigration all the way to the "gun free zones" in which our military are forced to operate unarmed despite mounting evidence that they are targets of terror. We have highly trained Marines forced to "duck and cover" and run for their lives instead of doing what they do better than anybody else: send terrorists off to their appointment with seventy-two virgins or raisins or whatever the idiocy is.

On the other hand we see some leadership at the State level:

Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) issued an executive order late Friday authorizing certain full-time military personnel in her state to be armed following a deadly shooting the previous day in Tennessee. This is also happening in Arkansas and in Louisiana. Want to make any bets on California leadership on this issue? Did not think so.

[Todd Juvinall]

California leaders will turn over the keys to the kingdom as they are so PC.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 07:33 PM

Really George, you are the one who posted an anecdotal list of murders committed by "Muslims". I was merely riffing on your illogical intimation of "Muslim" violence.

By the way, i don't see where anyone of the "progressive" bent has denied that violent Jihadists can emerge from a more peaceful Muslim community....what we are contending is that they emerge at no greater proportion than violent separatists like Dylan Roff or Tim McVeigh emerge from our own domestic community...or for that matter than mass killers emerge form the American middle class.

Nor is it my responsibility to come forward with the 'solution' to the problem.... "..no one has stepped forward to explain away this latest ra*#ead attack.."

I am merely stating that the knee jerk reaction that the solution is to diminish the civil liberties of all Americans is unacceptable...and it should be unacceptable to American Conservatives too.

We are all--in our iconoclastic views, political peccadillos, and exercise of free speech-- protected by our national civil liberties. I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views. Diminishing civil liberators for any 'group' is the same as attacking the civil liberties of every 'group'.

[fish]

I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views.

I seem to recall a certain chap vigorously objecting to people marching in a 4th of July parade while bearing firearms a few years back? Now I don't believe it went any further than that but it certainly shouldn't be considered an example of; "I may not like yours but I would vigorously defend your right to hold those views".

[Jon]

Steve, that states the case succinctly and accurately. thanks.

[fish]

Stupid HTML!!

[fish]

Stupid HTML?

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: fish | 18 July 2015 at 09:34 AM

Carrying loaded firearms into stores (which are private places) or in parades (which are on public property and subject to the rules of the event organizers) are not necessarily the same as exercising 'free speech.'

The conditions for free speech under our Constitutional system are not unregulated, and never were in our system, nor are they universally applicable; they are subject to local laws, and those laws are determined ultimately by appeals to our courts.

That is the system we live under.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: fish | 18 July 2015 at 09:45 AM

Hey how did I get caught in your HTML web Fish? It must be because I cut and pasted you time stamp but that is very strange.