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16 July 2015

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Steven Frisch

CCC to the Nth degree.

Posted by: Don Bessee | 17 July 2015 at 09:09 PM

Still trying to decipher that one :) 9:09 PM :( must have been after the witching hour.

Jon

Always an adventure with Donnie after hours...a grab bag of possibilities!

What up with the italics Dr. R?

fish

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 18 July 2015 at 09:53 AM

The conditions for free speech under our Constitutional system are not unregulated, and never were in our system, nor are they universally applicable; they are subject to local laws, and those laws are determined ultimately by appeals to our courts.

None of those arguments featured prominently in your earlier diatribe if I recall correctly. What had you so incensed was the mere presence of inanimate objects of which you didn't approve. I don't believe they would have been permitted by the parade organizers had they been loaded and again it was merely that they were firearms under the control of somebody not wearing a government sanctioned costume (law enforcement, military member, etc.).

Hey how did I get caught in your HTML web Fish? It must be because I cut and pasted you time stamp but that is very strange.

Because after Todd I'm probably the worst typist who comments here and left an HTML italics tag open.

I hate it when I do that.

George Rebane

StevenF 920am – This comment looks like you misposted it on RR; it doesn’t seem to respond to any conversation you and I are having here.

1) The list I posted is anything but “anecdotal”; it claims to be a pretty comprehensive accounting of Muslim terror killings in the US. And it would be easy to discredit because the dates and places are listed. Finally, I posted the list only in response to Jon’s 709pm wherein he indicates ignorance of such happenings.
2) Explicit denials of jihadist violence by progressives is naïve to expect. However, the implicit denials – starting with the president on down – are legion. None of you can even include ‘radical Islam’ in your discussions of radical Islam. And the explicit denial of such emergence of murderous ragheads from our ‘peaceful Muslim communities’ is nowhere more apparent than what the progressive mayor of Seattle is doing (see posted link).
3) Who in hell asked you to come forward with a solution to anything, especially as fulfilling some self-appointed “responsibility”? Mind boggling dialogue.
4) Don’t know which windmill you are jousting with your “knee jerk reaction” comment. Or perhaps it’s a conversation you’re having on another blog, but not with me.

Finally, those who today argue that Muslim terror killings are of no greater number or scope than non-Muslims killing Muslims are beyond the pale, and most certainly not to be wasted time with on these pages. Such assertions should be left to dangle in the wind.

Administrivia - ‘CCC’ in these pages denotes Collectives’ Cricket Chorus that is the usual reply of our liberal commenters when confronted by an inconvenient fact or citation. For those who wish to use italics, please familiarize yourself with the elements of HTML delimiters, it ain’t hard.

fish

Administrivia - ‘CCC’ in these pages denotes Collectives’ Cricket Chorus that is the usual reply of our liberal commenters when confronted by an inconvenient fact or citation. For those who wish to use italics, please familiarize yourself with the elements of HTML delimiters, it ain’t hard.

Well we should find a method for differentiating between the "Collectives’ Cricket Chorus" and "Council of Conservative Citizens"...both of which have featured prominently in discussions as of late.

George Rebane

re StevenF's 953am - "Carrying loaded firearms into stores (which are private places) or in parades (which are on public property and subject to the rules of the event organizers) are not necessarily the same as exercising 'free speech.'"

This is an interesting statement by a progressive when considered in light of arguing the absence of such freedoms in places of public accommodation. And even more so when considering the above assertion that the use of public spaces can be arbitrarily abridged by "event organizers". Progressives have played the other side of that street for decades.

fish 1039am - on RR, the spontaneous use of 'CCC' denotes the crickets response. Your other definition may have been used elsewhere, and has not been used on RR.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2015 at 10:30 AM

First, Jon did not indicate ignorance, he did not agree wit your interpretation of the scale of the problem.

Second, and once again, you take individual examples, such as the Mayor of Seattle, and apply them to entire group of people "progressives."

Third, you ask for solutions when you said no one is stepping forward to explain.

Fourth, I have not heard one of those you would describe as a “progressive’ here claim there is no such thing as terrosism, or that we should not fight terrorism through appropriate means; the issue is HOW, and our contention is that the ideas put forward by you and Todd are not the right way to do it.

My main point (and of course you never address the main point in lieu of finding the picayune to respond to) is that there is a balance between civil liberties and law enforcement and we cant allow that balance to be tipped in favor of diminishing the civil liberties we enjoy.

Finally, re: CCC, I apologize for not keeping up with conservatarian insult shorthand.

Don Bessee

Was anyone surprised that the father of the terrorist who killed 5 in TN had been investigated twice for sending money to the terrorists back home and was on the watch list some years back? Oh no they had no clue that there would be trouble from this family..... Looks like frishy has some sort of short/long term memory issues since he cant seem to recall what Dr. R's CCC stands for. LOL!

George Rebane

StevenF 1045am - we are totally and fruitlessly talking past each other. That progressives are pro-Muslim in the public policies of the west has been widely documented in numerous volumes (many cited here) and is corroborated daily in the press and on these pages. (Jon's not recognizing the "scale" is being ignorant of it.)

Re 'solutions' - your hubris is showing again Steve, especially in the attitude of your response to eschewing your own responsibility to provide such solutions. One more time - no one put the onus on you for a solution.

What ideas have I put forth that are "not the right way to do it."?

Your fourth point is from Mars and refers to nothing I have written on RR. And your "main point" has never been contended except in your own mind.

Here you again continue to make up both sides of fictitious conversations conceived out of whole cloth.

*****

But for the reader new to these pages I point out that Mr Steven Frisch should not be mistaken for another lightweight arguing for the Left. He is among the top rank of progressive intellectuals with a sizeable following, and in these parts he is about the best they can field into such discussions. We are graced by his participation.

Steven Frisch

f you can't see that the objections that Jon and I have had from the beginning on this thread are civil liberties related I can't help the point that we are talking past you.

Perhaps you should try to keep up.

Jon posed a question about civil liberties and Todd replied. What we have seen on this thread since is a stream of like minded posters failing to disavow Todd's contention, and upping the anti by contending that Muslim on non-Muslim violence is a high level of risk in our country.

My contention would be that it is at no higher level than the general level of violence that is unrelated.

That does not mean that I think we should not counter the threat of terrorism, we should, and are, but we should do so within the constraints of the Constitution. I have made that point repeatedly.

George Rebane

StevenF 1138am - Please do not confuse your conversations with ToddJ et al with those you intend to have with me.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2015 at 11:41 AM


I am sorry George, I'm not confusing the comments, it is your comments implying that Muslim violence in the US is at some high level and that extraordinary measures are required to combat it that I am disputing.

George Rebane

re StevenF's 1210pm - What profit is there in a dialogue with those who will not see?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Don Bessee

These lefty guys don't want to speak to the real issues like the broken asylum system that's being used by the opposition to infiltrate the country with jihadists. They throw out the straw men of internment camps and statistics to nay say the problem and avoid the point. Letting in one terrorist in the guise of a refugee is reprehensible. The governments prime job is to protect OUR citizens, importing 100k Somalis that cant be background checked and the other hot zones where both sides are not our friends is suicide. It is criminal to subject the citizens of the US to this politically correct DHS that takes in the worlds scum bags because of liberal guilt. There is no right to resided in the US if your born elsewhere. These people have no loyalty to the USA or its traditions and laws. We owe them nothing especially when our native born population is suffering historic levels of workers not in the workforce notwithstanding the phony 5% unemployment claims by 0. When our citizens are idle at this level there should be a freeze on any immigration, refugee included.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2015 at 12:44 PM

Talk about failing to see....look at the list you posted. Most of the attacks were on non-US targets, in the incidents where the US is the target most of them occurred outside the US, and in the few that occurred within the US the numbers with the exception of Fort Hood since 9-11 have been miniscule.

My guess is many more people have dies as a result of 'right wing' terrorism in the US in the last 14 years than Islamic terrorism.

My contention would be that we are doing what we need to do to combat incidents of terror within the US. I support that. I would like to see court orders in cases where we use surveillance on foreign subjects that goes beyond 4th amendment protections within our borders, but within the US and with US citizens, our counter-terrorism efforts against radical Islamists have been effective within the constraints of the 4th amendment.

The biggest way I contend that your methods would be ineffective is that the single best way to radicalize Islam and turn armies of individual actors against the west and the US would be for us to declare some sort of west versus middle east culture war or holy war against radical Islam as you have advocated. This is exactly what they want use to do because it strengthen their hand against moderate and potentially pro-western Islamic governments.

If we make this a clash of western Christian post-Enlightenment values versus Islam we are guaranteeing a period of war for decades if not centuries.

Eventually this thread of apocalyptic radial Islam will burn itself out. We should not be responsible for keeping it going longer by overreacting to their clear and intentional provocations.

But in cases where we can identify and find terrorists targeting the US outside our country we should go kill the fuckers...and in cases where we can find them and prove the case inside the US we should lock them up for life.... got no problem with that.

Todd Juvinall

GeorgeR you can't even get the last word on your own blog! Frisch sits in circle with other Frischs and passes the same crapola around and around. What a hoot!

Jon

Todd, your propensity for jumping in when no one is addressing you is very indicative of your marriage record.

Todd Juvinall

Yes I agree. I do have a propensity in that regards. But as a Muslim Jon, you can have numerous wives at the same time, I did it one by one. By the way, how many times have I been married?

Gregory

I suggest the Jon at 1:52 is the sort of mudball that was banished.

I don't see many 'right wing terrorists' attacking US military targets, nor do I see *any* other threat rivaling ISIS and friends. I think the left still fails to realize that the US military remains a mostly 'right wing' organization.

Frisch and "Jon" are both desperate for the right to be the source of domestic terror because they *need* the tea partiers and Jefferson Staters to be the new target to point the 2016 election balance sheet their way; pure demagoguery.

Todd Juvinall

I do think they are as bad as fifth columnists. Every straw man they can come up with has not worked. They must be vying for the position the chicken farmer had back in the day.

Todd Juvinall

One other thing. The Union published a column of love for Hillary Clinton today. It was by that poster from Pelline's blog, Curtis Walker. The Union is showing its utter fairness in postings. The love piece on Hillary was quite a fraudulent one. DailyKos was the creator I was told.

Jon

Not worried about the 2016 election, boys. Trump continues to chip away the last vestiges of his own party's respectability, day by day it gets worse. No worries. He jumped the shark today, and may be gone now even faster than I imagined. Reince and the Boys are meeting as we speak to figure a way out of that mess!

Not the biggest Hillary fan, but she would be vastly preferable to anything on the right at the moment, unless Graham and Paul could morph into something with their domestic and foreign policies. As you know, Joe Biden is still thinking and would be a very good candidate.

Don Bessee

And that has what to do with murdering jihadies in and trying to get in the US? the 'jon' @ 259

George Rebane

stevenF 112pm - The list makes the wholesale statement about the growth of Islamic terror, and the entries for the US tell of its growth within our borders. Both factors make my point.

Your belief that "many more people have died as a result of 'right wing' terrorism in the US in the last 14 years than Islamic terrorism." does bring this part of our conversation to a close.

Finally, the raghead attacks are not "provocations" but simply the prosecution of the war at this point in time. This is not a game or some ongoing series of international criminality - it is exactly as they say it is: War. And as I (and others) have said multiple times - progressives are blind to this. The civilizational conflict between Islam and the (Christian) west has gone on for more than a thousand years, and will continue until one vanquishes the other. Neither will live in the other's shadow.

As a general remark we should note how the west's Left has continued to ignore the clear and consistent statements of intent and method by Islamist states and organizations. Added to that they also ignore how radical Islam daily demonstrates in death, destruction, and mayhem that its statements have existential merit. But our Left just plants its head more firmly where the sun don't shine, and continues its insane narrative of what is happening in the world.

Todd Juvinall

There is no democrat or socialist I would trust with our military after seeing what Jimmy Carter One and two have done. Hillary is a flop, a robot and insanely boring. Bernie Sanders would sell out the country in a heartbeat to be like his favorite commie countries. There are a number of Republicans in the group that are very capable of running the place. Trump is Trump, he is not my guy and I will abide by the 11th Commandment.

Jon is a fifth columnist and now we all know he is a Muslim. He is even having them over for dinner according to him.

The USA has enough problems and importing a million new immigrants a year (many mommy and daddy who sent little jon to the USA alone)so a moratorium is in odere immediately. Besides what sane country allows murdering swine into heir country. Apparently just the USA!

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2015 at 03:49 PM

You might want to read that 'list' again, it shows three attacks in the last three years with only on of the attacks, Boston, leading to fatalities for the victims of the attacks, before this weeks Chattanooga attack.

What is the difference between the Chattanooga shooter being radicalized by ISIS and Dylann Roff being radicalized by the Council of Conservative Citizens?

Nothing.

Todd Juvinall

Since you have no connections to military intelligence or internal intelligence perhaps you should just shut your pie whole. GeorgeR is retired from the military and he may know some things we all don't know.

Jon

Steve, not sure I posted this a few days after Charleston. Exactly what we are saying

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

Steven Frisch

That would be "pie hole" you ignorant boob.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Jon | 18 July 2015 at 04:43 PM

Thanks Jon, I was going to add it up but how nice of the NYT to do it for us :)

Steven Frisch

Of course I should not be busting Todd for spelling errors. I've noticed my increasing misspellings lately as I struggle with the need for a new laptop (or laptop keyboard if they can install one on my Mac).

Jon

pie whole! LOL.

Nice one Todd. God that's up there with some of Walt's greatest hits.

Jon

Steve, appears to be CCC since 4:43...the Conservative Cricket Corp.

Sometimes the data doesn't quite fit the narrative.

Walt

Love it. The third rate food critic defends those who would lop off his melon just for frying bacon where said raghead could smell it. ( and would be justified under Sharia law.)

How many attacks with "O" in office? Yet not a one since 9/11 when Bush ran the show.
Then there are those terrorist attacks that just won't be called that. ( Bengauzy,, Ft. Hood, The guy that cut off co-workers heads,, Naaa,,, that just random workplace violence.)

Why is it LIBS are always making excuses and apologies for the enemy?

You should see all the pictures from America hating Leftists. The latest popular pics are of people wiping their a** with the American flag.

Todd Juvinall

I see the two leftwingnuts boobs are "crickets" on the meat of the posts. But when I purposefully misspell then all can see what is important to the two libnuts Jon and Steve. What a hoot!

Jon the Muslim and Steve Frisch the know-it-all and spelling dude. You just can't make up people as dopey as they are.

George Rebane

steveF 420pm - You've made it very clear that you don't feel that Islamic terror is of any greater threat to America than any other kind of terror or run of the mill criminal activity. Now I (and at least half of the country) don't agree with that, and neither do the FBI et al. Our security services have indicated, without giving details, that they have and continue to interdict terrorist attacks. For the rest of us that explains why they immediately became took over investigating the latest Islamist massacre. And it most certainly explains why TSA has been x-raying grandma all these years.

Todd Juvinall

Sort of ke the crimes avoided because a citizen showed his weapon and the crook boogied away. Lots of terrorists fail in the planning stages as our intel stops them. Frisch has no clue.

Jon

nice right wing talking point Todd, but zero data to back it up. Thanks.

George Rebane

Jon 633pm - I really don't think that the feds will supply the data you are looking for. All we do is infer from the massive defensive measures they have in place and maintain that they are having success in stopping ragheads. It beggars the imagination to think that they are still doing this with no record of interdictions. (But then, your imagination may be staggered differently than others.)

However, it is remarkable that in the list I provided our progressives reject the massive growth of global Islamism just because the US has been more successful in minimizing incidents within our borders. Nevertheless, such a constituency explains why Obama does not recognize Islamic terror, and why he is quite sanguine in supplying Iran hundreds of billions to accelerate its program of 'Death to America'.

Bill Tozer

The way I see it boys and girly men, the head honcho of NASA has done a splendid job carrying out Barrack Hussein Osamba's directive to make them bush rats feel good about themselves. After the Chattanooga event, they be feeling great about themselves. You can hear the non-Muslim champagne corks popping all around 1600 Pennsyliva Ave. Valerie Jarrett was particularly delighted as she channeled The Chairman. No, not The Big Zero Osama Obama, but the other Chairman, Mr. Mao. And this was all done with taxpayer monies earmarked for space, the final frontier.
Good job Mr.Head of NASA, you done good. Can't have Obama's daddy's and grand pappy's Arab tribe walking about not feeling good about themselves, now can we. That NASA dude was called into the Oval Office shortly after we elected our first Ahab the Arab President, right after Barrack Hussein Zero got sworn in and hopped on the first flight to Cairo. Administration priorities you know. Cash for Clunkers had to wait along with the economy as the focus was on making better Arab porn than those old tried and true videos of donkey and camel dongs doing the ole slip and slide in underage Arab girls. No wonder Osama kept having goats deliveries to his Pakastain compound. They needed something to raise their self esteem for sure and the goats were dying off too quickly.
Yep, I am calling Barrack Hussein Obama an enemy of the American people and bosom buddies of Stone Age cultures. Blood is thicker than water.

Todd Juvinall

Jon has no clue, but hey he is a Muslim lib. Usually liberals are all about what ifs. 16 ounce sodas, school food, obesity, recidivism of felons if we only did thus and such. All about "feelings" never about proof. Jon is simply a lib simpleton thinker. Can't think outside Arnie's "box". He represents the worst part of America. We on the right the best.

Even when a list is supplied as GeorgeR did at the resident libs request, they won't and don't believe it. So, I usually just make the libs squeal since they have no noggin worth anything. They just need to stick with spell checking us.

Bill Tozer

Now it's starting to make sense. Dead US Marines on US soil. Instead of the cry "Rearm the Marines", our wonderful President calls out "Ream the Marines."

Yo Todd, you don't need to worry about the Spelling Nazis when you have visual aides.

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1437273044./959005987463308/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1437273044./967463016617605/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Priorities you know. Took Obama 20 seconds to tell NASA to divert taxpayer funds from our scientists to make camel jockey bushrats feel better about their primitive assbackward culture and gutter "religion". It's all a matter of priorities and will.

https://www.facebook.com/USAPatriots/photos/pb.133154313381817.-2207520000.1437273709./963014677062439/?type=3&theater

Walt

Mandatory reading, especially for the Lefty, enemy sympathisers.
You want "intel"?
Read it and choke.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/exploding-muslim-immigration-overwhelms-fbi/

"Visa's rubber stamped" " No background checks before entry"

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2015 at 05:53 PM

I certainly did not say that Islamic terrorism is not a problem. I laid out pretty clearly that I support fighting it vigorously. What I object to is fighting it in an un-Constitutional way. We are doing a good job combatting domestic Islamic terrorism with the Constitutional methods we are using.

I also think that by elevating the threat to a 1000 year long war between Islam and Christianity you are playing right into the strategy of ISIS and Al Queda before them.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 18 July 2015 at 07:17 PM

For Christ's sake go read the fuc#ing list....since 9-11 there have been several attempts but very few actual incidents, with a total of about 40 people killed. As I have clearly stated, for the US fighting terror overseas and fighting it at home require different tactics with different constraints.

George Rebane

For some years I have maintained that the west's progressives have no idea about the longstanding civilizational strife between Islam and what they term Dar al-Harb. To all this they simply are blind. More evidence rolled in this afternoon from Iran where they are dancing in the streets celebrating Obama's disastrous agreement. Their supreme leader did not hesitate to tell the world that the agreement changes nothing in their relationship with the US, which remains at 'Eat shit and die!' Meanwhile our Left is doing everything possible to diminish our knowledge of what Islam spawns daily.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-says-nuclear-deal-wont-change-u-s-ties-1437202111

And there are still some of us who wait for an outpouring of anger and denunciation from the moderate Muslims among us. Instead we are told that the feds remain at a loss to understand the motive for the murders. But they're working real hard to figure it out.

Jon

You gotta love it when Walt links to World Net Daily...now there's some great reading for lunatics.

Don Bessee

Like a jobs program frischy?

Todd Juvinall

Walt is much smarter than you "jon". Live it, love it. My goodness you are a good Islamic lover aren't you jon?

Frisch just can't contain his idiotic foru letter word rants. I have met wife beaters with that attitude. Anyway, you obviously did not read my posts and you cherry pick those important things from them when you sometimes peruse them. Well at least for spelling. My goodness, you are certainly unable to compete here in the ideas battle. You are unarmed.

Don Bessee

Hey frichy, comment on the hitler youth like camps in the west bank and gaza where our TN resident alien jihadi and terrorist financing dad came from to slaughter 5 fine folks.

Walt

That's all you can come up with "jon"? Attack the messenger and not the message.
Someone else a while back tried to marginalize that news site, and it came back to bite'm in the ass.
Do tell us what Mommy Jones has to say. ( nutt'n) or any other "daily LIB" rag.
Still smoke'n the Monsanto dope judging by your posts. How much do they pay you to "test" that GMO dope? I didn't read where human testing of that stuff was allowed. yet.

Gregory

"That would be "pie hole" you ignorant boob." -Frisch

That would be "typo" you unreconstructed asshole, and you've had bloopers that were just as bad.

Personally, I think Pelline's ranting about the Tenants of Journalism recently to have been quite a hoot... I guess Jeffie wants his Tenants to have rent controlled departments. [sic all over the place].

Joe Koyote

You have all heard by now Trump's comments about John McCain being a prisoner of war for five years. Typical chicken hawk, never went to war but talks big and wouldn't hesitate to send YOUR CHILDREN off to die in some foreign country so he could make a buck.

Paul Emery

Steve F writes "Really George, you are the one who posted an anecdotal list of murders committed by "Muslims".

Yes indeed Steve. George soundly scolds anecdotal perspectives if it's about gun violence and crazy white people but not so when a Muslim is cited for murders with guns. This has been his dance for years and it's obviously a double standard that he enjoys as the host of this endeavor.

Todd Juvinall

Trunp stepped in it big time with the McCain comments. Walker is my guy.

Hey does anyone know if LBJ was a veteran?

Ben Emery

Could it be our nations foreign policies with support of brutal dictators, using rebels as allies until no longer needed, and invasion of Muslim nations for the last 50 plus years that might cause the extreme views, violence, and behavior?

I will post this again and pay attention to the terrorist part towards the end of the 2 minute clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-dsiufhMu0

I have the book a couple of times.

Ben Emery

Some history about 2nd amendment and who it applies to. Does anybody remember the Mulford Act in California?

The Ghost of Ronald Reagan
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21375/don-mulford-makes-history-again/

fish

While I very rarely find myself in agreement with the Black Panther Party.....


The Panthers enlivened the debate by showing up at the state capitol in Sacramento while exercising their god-given right to bear arms, which again scared the bejesus out of people.


Good on em!

George Rebane

PaulE 1144pm - Well now, you've made it very clear that neither you nor SteveF understand the definition and the use of 'anecdotal' when making citations. The comprehensive list I linked was anything but anecdotal. But I'll go you one better. Once you learn what anecdotal means, please point out a single anecdotal citation I have used to claim that it conclusively proved a generalization. BTW, I have no expectation of an apology from you regarding your unfounded accusation of my "dance".

(For the interested reader, an anecdotal citation can however disprove a generalization. E.g. 'There are no black swans.' can be disproved by the citation of an anecdotal observation of a single black swan.)

fish

Posted by: Ben Emery | 19 July 2015 at 08:03 AM

The other side of the "Invade the World, Invite the World" coin!


EXPLODING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION OVERWHELMS FBI...


Good times....they are a comin!

Todd Juvinall

Immigrant moratorium or no more America. NOW!

Jon

Agree with Ben. When you see what's been happening, is happening just in Gaza for example, you guys don't expect just a tad of anger toward the West? The millions of innocent destitute Muslim residents there are supposed to just take it and live life happily ever after?

Russ

And in California our Progressive Governor does what? Nothing!

State governors in Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Texas signed executive orders that would allow US military personnel to carry firearms at recruiting centers.

Jon

"Immigrant moratorium or no more America. NOW! " Todd 8:42

Todd, it proves you do have some recollection of history. That was the exact refrain heard in 1492. Good citation.

Jon

Todd, moment of rare agreement on Trump of course. He's mentally ill with his self destructive nature. His 15 minutes have hit the peak and its going to be a long, painful downhill journey as he is eased out of the race.

Jon

Todd, I take it you won't be at WorldFest today. I'll be there with my Muslim friend who's coming up, and will look for you anyway. Dinner later in town as I said. Diversity in Grass Valley today!

George Rebane

Jon 905am - Mideastern Muslims have every reason to hate the West, that has never been disputed. In Palestine they lost their lands in the 1948 partition, and this loss has been guaranteed by the US and Europe ever since. Moreover, Islam cannot survive in the shadow of an advanced and liberal west, and devout Muslims know this. They see their traditional belief system, and therefore their respective cultures, being undermined daily by the secular trappings of the west which to them are immoral and an abomination in the eyes of their god. The only solution to this pan-cultural problem is the one given in their Quran - they must conquer and prevail.

That Islam hates the west has been a tautology for more than a millennium. What is remarkable here is how our liberal minds rediscover and respond to this hatred. Because liberals too are working hard to convert the west away from Christianity to secular humanism, they instinctively side with the Muslim antipathy toward Christians. However, what our liberals don't understand is that the desiderata of their new world are as odious to Muslims as is Christianity.

In the interval both will take advantage of each other in the destruction of traditional western culture, but ultimate success there will not leave a world acceptable to both. And the inter-civilizational war will go on between secular humanism and Islam until one or the other is vanquished.

Ben Emery

Fish, 19 July 2015 at 08:24 AM
I have been trying to hammer this into Georges head with the immigration in Europe. When Imperialism runs its course the end result is a lost culture and a generation(s) of refugees that need somewhere to go. They go to the nation that is responsible for their current circumstances. Last year with the children of America's coming to US as political refugees the religious right abandoned personal responsibility of our nations policies an the teachings of Jesus Christ when they used those kids as political punching bags.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-07-08/are-unaccompanied-children-crossing-us-refugees-or-migrants

fish

Last year with the children of America's coming to US as political refugees the religious right abandoned personal responsibility of our nations policies an the teachings of Jesus Christ when they used those kids as political punching bags.


As we are routinely reminded by the progressive left, the teachings of Jesus Christ have no place in American governance.

The countries from which the bulk of this children came have "functional" governments. The only reason that they are here is to serve as links in a chain to import their parents and other relatives to serve as reliable lever pullers for TEAM DEMOCRAT.

Jon

George 9:35, not trying to move the West away from Christianity, merely trying to reduce the influence of ALL religion on public policy. Whats offensive to many of us is that we are accused of "favoring" Islam. Nothing can be further from the truth. Truth be told, my friends are Turkish and very secular with of course some trappings of tradition.

Walt

Ya "jon", the Ten Commandments are SO damaging to the " I will do as I please" mindset.
Never mind the fact our laws are based on the beliefs of Christianity, The Founding Fathers sure weren't Muslims. We even fought them way back when. ( You will find that in a history book that hasn't been revised by some LIB)

Todd Juvinall

My goodness I leave for a while and I see the string is alive with more "jon" BS and on steroids! As a Muslim "jon" knows he must toe the Koran line, convert others or kill them, kill homosexuals, enslave women as chattel. And we are supposed to listen to his ramblings? No, I just laugh at his lack of intelligence regarding history. I suggest he read "Jefferson's War" and some others. But as FISH said, the libs want "religion" out of government yet like Ben Emery, chastise us as not being like Jesus in how we treat the illegals. There really is a disconnect in these people's noggins on the left.

Hey "Jon", ask your friend from Turkey why the Turks murdered a few million Armenian Christians back during WW!. I bet you lack the guts.

Don Bessee

While spewing the usual liberal guilt about our actions creating the ill will in some sandy places that still ducks the whole point. Why should we be taking in people like that?

Bill Tozer

Todd @ 1148 in the morning:

Don't know about that, Mr. Todd. On one hand the Turkish near successful attempt to commit genocide on the Armenians is a well documented fact. On the other hand, after seeing the growing Areminian population in Glendale (largest Armo population outside their homeland in the world)....er.... after seeing what can happen to a good neighborhood and community, one must conclude the Turks got it right.

As much as we try to keep religion out of politics, the rags heads bring their religion to our politics.

Jon

Todd, I'll ask them about Armenians, and I'll ask you about how god fearing immigrants from northern Europe did in the Native Americans, ok?

Walt

Ahhhh... The good ol' standby card. "jon" has been waiting all morning to throw that one out.
Hell! The Indians have the White man by the balls today. ( unless the FEDS saying NO to their dope growing has any bearing.)

Todd Juvinall

Jon there are no people I can ask that are still alive. You have a live one so have at it. A vigorous debate )please record it on your phone for us to hear) with your fellow Muslim traveler about Turkish genocide. You know, those people practicing the "peaceful" religion?

Oh, and find out the scoop of who sold all the slaves at the points of departure in Africa while you are at.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 19 July 2015 at 12:07 PM

"On the other hand, after seeing the growing Areminian population in Glendale (largest Armo population outside their homeland in the world)....er.... after seeing what can happen to a good neighborhood and community, one must conclude the Turks got it right."

Kudos to the crew here for ignoring a humorous reference to genocide.

Walt

Don't expect any truth out of Sheik "jon". Lying is perfectly acceptable with those of "that" faith.

Steven Frisch


Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 19 July 2015 at 12:35 PM

"Jon there are no people I can ask that are still alive."

Todd could start his questioning here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Ridge_Indian_Reservation#Social_issues_and_economy

Todd Juvinall

I know you get all your knowledge from Wiki Frisch, but I am a lot more diversified.

Bill Tozer

stevenfrisch @ 12:59 in the pm.
Humorous reference? You got to be kidding. I am deadly serious. You are one sick pup if you think otherwise. Humorous my Aunt Petunia.
Ok, our governor Dukmajian The Armenian was a good governor. I remember the day he shook up the libs to their hollow core when he started sending out rebate checks to all the taxpayers (only) cause the State's treasury was getting too fat. Won't see that again in my lifetime. Out of the blue a check for 600 clams, U.S., arrives in the mail from Sac-a-potato. Beulah land.
In reality, the first waves of immigrants from most countries are usually the cream of the crop. Intelligent, skilled, hard workings as a good foundation and facade. Then the 2nd and 3rd waves come, bringing t he scrapping off the bottom of the barrel. Then, there goes the neighborhood, be they Russians or Iranians or Frenchies or Stone Age villagers from Arabia. The Turks were right by golly.

Joe Koyote

Fish 10:02 "As we are routinely reminded by the progressive left, the teachings of Jesus Christ have no place in American governance."

and no place in an ideology that gives tax breaks to the wealthy and cuts help for the poor.. go figure!

Bill Tozer

Joe K. Cuts in help for the poor? Surely you jest. We give them just about everything they clamor day and night for. Ok, we don't buy them brand new houses and as Ophra found out, give them brand new shiny American made automobiles and they come back crying the blues that they need more money to pay the vehicle registration. The poor's hunger for more (exactly like a control freak lib) is never satisfied, never stilled, and never walks gently on the sunny side of the street.

George Rebane

I draw your kind attention to Mr Koyote's 316pm. He sings the perennially plaintive progressive pavane for our lost war on poverty on which we spent tens of trillions of dollars since 1964, while the poor number more than ever. So therefore let us do even more of the same, for we all know that past programs have failed only because we have not spent enough to overcome the vast rightwing conspiracy to depress the poor and destitute.

Don Bessee

I guess I should not be surprised at the encore of the lefty CCC. American Indians have what to do with jihadi immigration to the US? - the 'jon'@1215

Joe Koyote

The rich man's hunger for more money and power (I will leave out the political slur and stick to psychology) is never satisfied, never stilled, and never walks gently on the sunny side of the street. If this is not true, then why is it people continue to accumulate vast sums of wealth even though they already have vast sums of wealth. Where does downsizing, hostile corporate takeovers, outsourcing, and bundling bad debt and selling it fit into the hunger games? Why do these things if you don't need the money?

There are some people who argue that the conservative attack on the poor as leeches and no-counts is used as a justification for the greed of the wealthy. Two wrongs that make a right… no pun intended..

Bill Tozer

So, Joe K, you are not still pissed off at paying credit card usury now are you? You apply for a credit card, borrow (charge) some money to buy a RV, then cry bloody murder that they should pass a law against paying too much interest on your unsecured loan. Or was that Dougie the Frisco Values Shutterbug Educator? Listening to the choir, I tend to get the individual singers confused.
Yes, I know. I feel your pain. Besides, you are an excellent authority on how much any business should be allowed to make...er....allowed to keep. You, my fellow traveler wandering through the wasteland, are a true desert blossom.

Todd Juvinall

I think JoeK is simply a failure within the American system so he does the "you meanie rich guys) watusi peepee dance with a lower lip protrusion. My goodness, why do all those millions come here JoeK? Could it be they want to tap into the "riches" of America? Or are they coming here for something else? What is JoeK, tell us.

MikeL

Re: joe k at 3:40pm
Just so I have this straight. I as a business man should fire all of my employees and close up shop as soon as I reach some arbritary threshold of wealth.
Please do tell how much wealth would the most beloved benevolent dictator Koyote allow me to possess.

Bill Tozer

We give the poor money so they can turn around and give it back to us. A sort of symbiotic relationship.
Give every man, woman, Jenner, and child in any 3rd world country or American ghetto/barrio/Libbie campground a hundred dollar bill and at the end of the month, 2-3% of the folks will have gotten all those hundred dollar bills, be they the local drug kingpins, bureaucrats, politicians, business people, what have ya. That is what the Sean Penn
found out in the aftermath of cleaning up Haiti.

fish

Posted by: Joe Koyote | 19 July 2015 at 03:40 PM

The rich man's hunger for more money and power (I will leave out the political slur and stick to psychology) is never satisfied, never stilled, and never walks gently on the sunny side of the street.

You would have to demonstrate that this true in all cases. Since you can't I guess we can move on. I guess I could counter with why do elected officials seem compelled to spend years in government after they have won two or three terms?

There are some people who argue that the conservative attack on the poor as leeches and no-counts is used as a justification for the greed of the wealthy. Two wrongs that make a right… no pun intended..

Who is making this argument?

Ben Emery

Fish, 19 July 2015 at 10:02 AM

Touche'

But it still doesn't address the hypocrisy of the religious right, who do believe we are a Christian nation and founded on its beliefs.

Todd Juvinall

Ben Emery | 19 July 2015 at 05:04 PM

Ben Emery, you actually believe what you just wrote? Amazing!

Don Bessee

More BE BS. I guess the conversation on what fixes are needed in our asylum and immigration policies that allow the jihadies in without background checks is over as far as the leftist are concerned.

fish

Posted by: Ben Emery | 19 July 2015 at 05:04 PM

It is my understanding that conditions in Central and southern Mexico were no worse during the "Childrens Crusade" than they normally are and that the surge was caused as a direct result of communications through informal channels that all the bennies that a Chicago Community Organizer could bestow would be theirs if they would only migrate NOW!

So it wasn't a humanitarian crisis as advertised but a cheap political ploy for which this administration is widely renowned.

joe smith

Todd 17:37
You DON'T believe what Ben wrote? Then please share with us a fairytale where once upon a time this country was founded on Christianity. Pretty certain that fairytale isn't imbedded in our DoI or Constitution. Your ignorance is both entertaining and woeful.
Jefferson went pretty frigging far out of his way to make certain our "code of conduct" included a very distinct line between church and state.

Todd Juvinall

joe smith | 19 July 2015 at 06:11 PM

We have been there on this blog many times. Go find it and then spank yourself.

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