Sandbox - 15jul15

[While the recent revival of MJ ordinance updates are being sorted out in the overflowing 10jul15 sandbox, here's a fresh one.  I would invite consideration of the columns in the 15jul15 Union written by liberal Lynn Wenzel and conservative Norm Sauer (paywalled here and here).  Both speak to the Constitution as a "living document" that today writhes this way and that under the vagaries of SCOTUS' new legislative powers instead of its established process of amendments.  According to my lights, that fundamental difference of how we view laws and our foundational document is the ripping point for the Great Divide.  gjr]

Comments

[Walt]

The potsters seem to have been given the perfect excuse by the FEDS, but in haze of dope smoke haven't seen it threw the slits for eyes.
What I'm reefering to, what the FEDS said about "sanctuary cities". " We just have no control over them". ( yes they do,, they just refuse to.) The FEDS claim control over all things immigration. ( just ask Arizona about that) The FEDS claim control over all drugs,( yup,,,dope is a drug.)
So use the FEDS excuse about free range illegals with plenty of criminal history, to your advantage.
Now that will be fun to watch.

On the dope front,, "IF" weed is legalized in the state, how will Moonbat treat dope being smuggled in from Mexico? The same as Illegals? ( More the better) That will sure hamper Mom and Pop SSI supplementers. ( those that sneak under the radar of BIG dope, who will be out to make sure the small timers don't make a dime. ( As we speak BIG dope is greasing the palms in SAC and writing the new regulations that will forbid small operations. ( Don't believe me? Just wait and see.)

[Russ Steele]

[email protected]:09PM

It is easier to collect the taxes from several BIG drug companies, then it is to collect from hundreds of little growers. It is easier to get political donations from several BIG drug companies, than it is from hundreds of little growers. It easier to get graft from several BIG drug companies, than hundreds of little growers. Given these facts, it is clear MJ will be legal and the market will be controlled by BIG industrial growers. The little growers will be screwed by the very laws that the little guys are promoting.

[Walt]

Yes siree Russ, and the likes of our local dopers don't comprehend that.
The tax idea is a joke, and the state will spend more in bureaucrats than what it may take in as taxes. You can only tax what can be reasonably controlled. Dope will still be sold on the street like it is today. The pot shops will only get the "tourist" traffic.

Once legal, I could grow and "supply" every person I know, just like the dopers do today,
and there will be no one to really stop me. Hell.. They don't really stop anyone today.
Save for the token bust here or there.

[Gary Smith]

Well it appears for now the Feds are not happy about one Indian tribe, the Pit River tribe in Alturas getting into the pot business. The just raided their 40 greenhouse farm and destroyed their 12,000 medicinal pot plant crop. Maybe they didn't grease the right palm? They have the potential to grow 40-60k plants at this site, which qualifies as big in my book.
http://www.redding.com/news/tribe-says-40greenhouse-grow-was-medicinal_59255373

[Walt]

Speaking of grease,, They used the wrong kind,, and could have got PLENTY on sale.
By the drum.... actually.
" 55-gallon barrels of lube on sale."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/amazon-primeday-fail-customers-complain-808871

[Gregory]

The EPA's Gina McCarthy on the .01 degree C reduction of temps forecast for the CO2 reductions she's pushing:

'The value of this rule is not measured in that way. (Temperature impact) It is measured in showing strong domestic action which can actually trigger global action to address what's a necessary action to protect...I'm not disagreeing that this action in and of itself will not make all the difference we need to address climate action, but what I'm saying is that if we don't take action domestically we will never get started and we'll never...'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkkeLpbz0-Y

Sounds just like the justifications for AB32... we'll be showing the world how to do it and they'll all follow us, rather than take advantage of even cheaper fossil fuels on the world market because we're buying less.

[George Rebane]

Progressive Progress - LA Times 'Los Angeles Garment Industry Frets Over Pay Hike'
http://www.wsj.com/articles/los-angeles-garment-industry-frets-over-pay-hike-1436986903

The $15 minimum pay will make LA factories uncompetitive, forcing them to either shut down or move out of town. One more piece of evidence pouring in that the Left doesn't give a crap about the workers, especially those also too stupid to understand that supporting politicians promising higher wages through government mandates will actually help to pauper and prime them for government dole. Another tranche of solid Democratic voters.

[Walt]

Doc. .. that would just apply to the "front of the house". The "back of the house" will still get their workers by the container load from China. They bitch,, they get sent back in another container with the cloths that they made. They have figured out it's WAY cheaper to just ad the label "made in China" right here. The slave labor sweat shops are alive and well in L.A.

[Jon]

Walt, do you have some video evidence of the large scale slave labor and human smuggling in LA?

[Todd Juvinall]

Walt, I read that the Latinos are enslaving kids and women to sew in sweatshops all over the country!

[George Rebane]

The Alinsky method is getting another workout from Team Obama. As with many other of his failed initiatives starting with Obamacare and amnesty, he now claims that the Iran deal is the best that could be achieved because no one has given him any workable alternatives. Workable alternatives have always been provided him, but if his lamestream does not report them, then only Team Obama's message is heard by the gruberized. All of that is in the book.

This morning another much better alternative is reviewed for him.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-false-iran-choice-1437001404

[Don Bessee]

Video evidence, my how narrow a request as a deflection. So the 'jon' questions the existence of human trafficking and slave conditions in sweat shops? A prime example he lives in another world.

[Todd Juvinall]

The leftwingnuts that post here have ol' Alinsky memorized. Obama has enabled them to put it all into practice.

[Walt]

Not doing your homework for you "jon". If you have video to the contrary DO show it.

Another raghead goes on a shooting spree today. ( yup video evidence IS to be had. YOU dig it up) And where,, one might ask? A GUN FREE ZONE.. ( facts on that are there to be found as well) Another prime example of a sign that says "shoot here first". AND he did.
I hope the cops used bullets lubed in bacon grease. A coffin made of pig skin is more than justified.

[Don Bessee]

So as we get more details of 0's cave to iran we get the heartwarming story from the lead negotiator (who also did so well with north korea) spoke of tears in they eyes of Kerry and the Iranians, aww. She also acknowledged that anywhere, anytime inspections were mere flights of rhetoric. Surprised?? They also agreed that NO Americans would be part of the inspection teams!! We agreed to WHAT?!?! Anyone remember how well the non-American IAEA folks did in Iraq or the supposed embargo on Iraq that sadam bribed his way out of? I wonder how much of the 100 billion for iran ends up as bribes to UN personnel. Instead of preventing a nuclear arms race in the gulf this joke foisted upon us by the likes of the idiot energy secty and learch on behalf of 0 ensures a massive ramp up of arsenals and the mood to use them. Lets hope its killed in congress soon. Could this result in Israel and the Saudis cooperating in a pre-emptive strike, they both have the latest 16-s and the right weapons for their strike eagles? There has still been no explanation of the reported meeting between sr. Air Force officer from both.

[Walt]

Everything this administration has done, has been anti America and pro Muslim.
"O" continues to support the religion of his Daddy. That's the Muslim way.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, what do you expect? Obama's daddy had more Arab blood in him than Black, but it still gives me goosebumps every time I think of electing our first Arab President...
As Obama wrote himself, "The sweetest sound he ever heard was the call to prayers (from the mosque). He said it, he wrote it, and for once I believe him.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt. You gotta understand. If you or I sat for 12 years in Reverend Wright's church and had the good hate spewing Reverend ad our spiritual advisor, we too would have a very low opinion and tolerance for Christianity. Can't blame the man in all fairness.

https://www.facebook.com/Protectingourconstitution/photos/pb.123123377842466.-2207520000.1437109740./441033329384801/?type=3&theater

http://patriotpost.us/posts/36406

[Walt]

More proof LIBS,,, Voter fraud is alive and well. And look what the payoff is.
Yup,, a bag of weed.
http://watchdog.org/229595/doping-the-vote-indictments/

[Joe Koyote]

The Huffington Post announced this morning that its coverage of Donald Trump's run for president will no longer be covered in the political section but moved to the entertainment section. "Our reason is simple: Trump's campaign is a sideshow. We won't take the bait. If you are interested in what The Donald has to say, you'll find it next to our stories on the Kardashians and The Bachelorette."

They should move all of the republican candidates to the entertainment section as they all are a joke when it comes to doing anything positive or useful for the country and the planet (billionaires excepted if helping them is actually useful). And for those of you who will respond with the stock BS reply, no Hillary is NOT my candidate and the democratic party is NOT my party, and I am NOT what you would call a liberal.

Walt, I notice you didn't mention Diebold voting machines along with voter fraud, the two are synonymous and in an effort to be truthful, should always be included in any discussion of voter fraud. Otherwise the rest of the story isn't being told.

[Joe Koyote]

"So as we get more details of 0's cave to iran" Don, you would be interested to know that the radical religious right in Iran also doesn't like the deal either. They are saying that Rouhani caved in to the west sacrificing their ability to defend themselves (with nuclear bombs) and are cozying up to the West. Go figure.

[Joe Koyote]

Walt -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

Gee only 31 CREDIBLE incidents of voter impersonation fraud out of one billion ballots in 2014. Not the busloads of illegals as claimed by the right wing noise machine. Go figure.

[George Rebane]

Trump moved to the entertainment section, hmmm. I wonder if Hillary's campaign will then be moved to fiction short stories section.

[Walt]

No worries JoeK, People that care will get their info from FOX. ( BTW,, Trump leading big time. And as soon as Walker jumped in, takes second.)

The LIB side,, has been moved to the funny pages.

As for voter fraud, ONE is too many. One thing is for sure, LIBS need to buy the doper vote. What next? A free dose of your drug of choice? " VOTE for Hillary!Get a rock of crack! A free glass pipe with every vote!"

[Joe Koyote]

" I wonder if Hillary's campaign will then be moved to fiction short stories section." -- It's possible, but I don't think Hillary is a short story, more of a long novel. However, she actually did get elected to the Senate and did serve her country as Sec. of State (both non-fiction) while Trump has never been elected to anything and only serves himself.

[Walt]

Hillary?? You really want to go there JoeK? How many lives did she reduce to landfill?
And one right here. When a little heat gets turned up, she bumps her melon, "can't" testify, then resigns to avoid it. She has lied through her teeth, refuses to take any questions, And now says "severgate" is SO old news.
Even Col. Sanders is leading in the polls. Now he is having some issues. There is many a state where he can't run as a DEM. So what will he do? He can't claim to be independent in one, and DEM. in another. The Socialist will need to make a decision.
And bets he runs on the Democrat Socialist(commie) party ticket?

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 17 July 2015 at 09:52 AM

Perhaps the "Taut Psychological Thrillers" or "Addiction Recovery and Twelve Step Programs for the Compulsive Candidate" sections?!

I swear she's going to find a way to blow it again!

Damn!

[Jon]

Walt, The Trumpster will not make it past the 2nd month of primaries. Its all for his personal promotion of his brand. He is oblivious for the damage he is causing to the Repub Brand. Even favorite sons like Rick Perry have had it with him, as he is precluding any hope he and others have of getting an iota of attention from the media- ie, no debate exposure, no media appearances. Trump continues to hurt the Brand, as he damages and portrays the real front runners like Bush and Walker as weak on every conceivable issue.

[George Rebane]

JoeK 1019am - I'm not talking about the marginal-at-best performances she delivered as senator and SecState. I'm talking about the 'short stories' she now tells to cover up her scandals and bad behaviors. But you are absolutely correct in that each of those short stories actually contains enough material to comprise a novel.

[Todd Juvinall]

She lied about gunfire landing in Iraq, she has lied numerous times about numerous issues. Hell, maybe she is the best the democrats have.

[Gregory]

Here's a kitty krunchy in the sandbox... Pelline is attacking the old guys here via their children and grandchildren... does that mean attacking Pelline through his kid is now fair game?

In a beautiful bit of irony, a part of the attack is that you old guy's kids and grandkids don't live in the county... but then Jeffie waxes eloquently about how he's shlepping his kid from the Bay Area to Reno for educational experiences.

As Bugs used to say, what a maroon! what an ignoranimus! Jeff, if you want to know what it takes for a kid to get into MIT, just ask. Hint: first, avoid Common Core mathematics at all costs.

[George Rebane]

Gregory 507pm - Pelline in my view has always ranged between the insane and the uninformed. What is his point about our "kids and grandkids (not living) in the county"? Most of our generation moved here from elsewhere, and in the process moved away from our kids, at least from those who already had not moved away from us. It doesn't seem that the man is able to connect any of the dots on how families migrate after kids leave the nest and strike out on their own. Is there a more ignorant public voice in Nevada County?

[Todd Juvinall]

Pelline said that? Jeeze, the man is a maroon!

[Paul Emery]

By the way, Obama is only one point down in the latest Fox Poll. Care to compare his polling with Bush or Clinton at the same phase of their Presidency, Year 6. Obama may not be a liability in 16 certainly not like Bush II who was told not to leave the farm till the election is over. This stuff is real fun to me. Hope all of you enjoy it as much as I do.

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, who cares? Not me. We already gained the House and Senate and a thousand local and state seats since 2010 thanks to the idiot n chief. Now he is giving Iran the nukes and did not even try to get the 4 Americans out of Iran. You know, the country that kidnapped 54 Americans.

Polls don't mean squat today. Regarding 2016, the way you are talking here you appear real sweet on the half white half black President. You like him a lot don't you?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 636pm - I am not ashamed to say that I am saddened by how our gruberized electorate adores the worst president in my lifetime (and that includes FDR).

[Gregory]

LOL Paul! What you missed is that Obama has that 47% that is the Democratic core on the take that Romney was reamed for noticing!

In other words, don't expect Sainty Claws to drop below 47.

[Walt]

Well now.... Another swift kick to the AGW gonads. Satellite data is a little better than parking lot thermometers
.http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/

[Walt]

Just to add insult to injury,, Looky what has happened in JULY in HAWAII!!
SNOW!!
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29573757/snow-falls-on-mauna-kea-summit-in-july

I'm sure our true believers have a perfectly good, rational excuse to explain it away.
( Damn! this should be good..)

[Paul Emery]

George

Since you brought it up how can you compare "worst" Presidents without giving Bush II exclusive franchise in that category. I mean being asleep at the wheel while ignoring CIA warnings on 9/11, invading Iraq due to faulty intelligence and staring at the wall while the economy crashed is just a start. Really George...

[Paul Emery]

Just for comparison this was the FOX Bush Poll in 2006:

"President Bush’s job approval rating slipped this week and stands at a new low of 33 percent approve......"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/04/20/042006-fox-poll-gloomy-economic-views-bush-approval-at-new-low.html

[fish]

Posted by: Gregory | 17 July 2015 at 05:07 PM

Link?

[Gregory]

Here's Jeffie the Typo Nazi at 8:34... "Fact checking is a basic tenant [sic] of journalism"

Now I can sleep the sleep of the just. Nihhtynite.

[fish]

If there was ever a reason not to vote for another Bush......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-15/goldman-bankers-are-jeb-bush-s-biggest-backers-for-white-house

[Todd Juvinall]

Walker is my candidate.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1109pm - Really Paul, is there any evidence of that beyond their monotonous repetition in today's perpetual progressive paeans to Obama?

[Jon]

Here's one for Walt's boy. A real classy clown.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/18/3682152/donald-trump-said-john-mccain-not-war-hero-captured/

...gone before the second month of primaries. Guaranteed.

[Todd Juvinall]

Those DC smarties are saying today that Republicans are secretly thanking SCOTUS Roberts for his decision on Ocare. They say (you know, those really really smart people) that the R's would be hard pressed to install a fix on the state's that had no exchange thereby pissing off a lot of democrat voters. I read that crap and somehow, I think those intelligent people are totally stupid/nuts! It is the same say as, all those heroin addicts are going to be cutoff so the Republicans have to do something! This country sure has a lot of leftwing media nuts.

[Paul Emery]

George

The one thing for certain is that my citations as to the disaster of the Bush Presidency happened during his watch that for six of the eight years had a Republican House and Senate. Can you site me three incidents that happened under Obama that are in any way are equivalent to 9/11, the mistake of going to war in Iraq and the financial crash of 08?

Don't you hold Bush in any way responsible for what occurred during his Presidency?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1126pm - Sure, I hold Bush2 responsible for 9/11 like I hold FDR responsible for Pearl Harbor, and JFK responsible for the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile crisis which almost started WW3. I can go on.

[George Rebane]

Kudos to Union columnist and RR reader George Boardman who in his 20jul15 column called for the resignation of Ms Linda Campbell from the Board of the Nevada Joint Union High School District. My own sentiments about Ms Campbell were expressed here -
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/07/scattershots-14jul15.html

Mr Boardman's column on the matter is paywalled here -
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/17336051-113/george-boardman-latest-example-of-elected-official-behaving

[Walt]

How many times have our LIBS bashed "rightwing" news? Here is another dose of LIB news crapola,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/20/no-comment-nbc-covers-up-evidence-of-immigration-crime-wave/

[George Rebane]

Walt 128pm - Good catch. I have included your find in the 20jul15 update to 'The Muslim question is not going away'. Thanks.

[Paul Emery]

So George how is it that you can make Obama the worst President in modern history when at least compared to Bush II his liabilities seem trivial?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 247pm - Therein lies the great chasm. To you and yours Obama's legislating, illegal alien policy, foreign policy, executive orders, administration scandals are trivial. To the rest of us, including the Democrats in the coming election, Obama is a president better to ignore and forget about, much like Bush2 was for the Republicans in '08. Whatever mistakes Bush2 made, Obama doubled down and purposely made them worse in addition to piling on disasters that only a president either profoundly ignorant of the world and/or bent on fundamentally transforming America could accomplish. If we ever recover from Obama, it will be at least a generation. I am reminded that we have yet to recover from LBJ's Great Society programs for which the blacks still pay dearly with the passing of every day.

[Todd Juvinall]

Funny how libs call Bush2 the worst President and kiss Obama's fanny with praise. Bush2 loved everyone. Obama hates white people. Bush saved millions of black lives supplying money and tech to fight AIDS on the African Continent, Obama send three thousand Americans soldiers to "fight" Ebola.

What it shows is Paul Emery's mind is set and has been and he cannot give an inch of praise for anything Bush2 did(oh he will now though LOL) What a concrete brain. It has to hurt.

[Paul Emery]

George

As I understand it we are still paying for the 3 Trillion and counting and thousands of American and civilian lives as a result of the Iraq war triggered by false intelligence and a rush to war mentality by both parties and the Bush administration. Also show me another incident under Obama to compare with 9/11. Obama doubling down? Really George-show me the beef. Don't get me wrong< Obama is not a very good President, just look at TPP and his cuddling with Repubs to get that atrocity passed as an example. I didn't vote for him second time around but I'll bet a fancy dinner you supported Bush II in 08. That's the difference between us. You are tied to the Republican party as the only option and will vote for any piece of crap they put up on the ticket.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 333pm - when you blame 9/11 on Bush2, then this conversation is over. Bush2's rear window infractions were anything but palpable, Obama's through the windshield disasters were visible to all with a 3-digit IQ.

[Don Bessee]

Ah, the truther in PE on full display. Unreal.

[Paul Emery]

I didn't blame Bush II for 9/11. What I said was it was under his watch and his CIA raised flags that were widely ignored by the administration. Of this there is no doubt. Iraq is a different matter entirely. The point is that Bush was a lousy President. That was known in 04' yet he was re-elected and supported by what appears to be genetic Republicans that populate this blog.

[Walt]

Paul loves to live in the past. ( with plenty of revisionism) He just can't deal with the "here and now".

Seem we have another " teflon Don". This time it's "The Donald". The GOP has their panties in a knot because he just keeps gaining steam with us "working stiffs". The GOP has stabbed us in the back one too many times. We put them into office because "they" were going to take "O" to the woodshed.. Yup,, then used their limp noodles and flogged him but good... Uh,, right?
The Left brings all guns to bear with full broadside blasts,,, yet the bullet points just bounce off. Even the LIB news hatchet jobs have blown up in their collective faces.
Just like the staged CBS Ford truck fuel tank explosions.

Trump knows how to eat an elephant. One bite at a time.

[Walt]

Paul.. Bush was 20 times the Pres. than the present piece of,,,,..."work" is.
BTW,, Bush was just HOW MANY days into his Presidency? and the Intel crew was still full of Clinton clowns. ( Repub hating LIBS) Clinton could have had OBL's head on a plate, but refused it.
Ya. take shots at Bush, but give Queen Nancy and Dirty Harry a pass.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 620pm - There is absolutely no evidence that the CIA raised any actionable flag foretelling the attacks of 9/1l. That is an unsubstantiated myth that has been repeated by far left outlets for the last decade. And if there were any truth to it, then it would be an extremely easy thing to cite. Had such evidence existed, it would be known world wide and Bush2 would now be living in shame. So cite something substantial Paul that is not innuendo from the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

Bush kept the "Clinton Clowns" long after 9/11. Once they signed on as part of his they became Bush's Clowns". Tenet didn't leave till 2004, three years after 9/11.. Bush kept him on long after he provided the faulty intelligence that Bush used to justify the war in Iraq. The CIA did sound the alert on Osama Bin Ladin with the now revealed emergency meeting with the White House.

"Tenet met with his counterterrorism chief, J. Cofer Black, at CIA headquarters to review the latest on Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Black laid out the case, consisting of communications intercepts and other top-secret intelligence showing the increasing likelihood that al-Qaeda would soon attack the United States. It was a mass of fragments and dots that nonetheless made a compelling case, so compelling to Tenet that he decided he and Black should go to the White House immediately.

Tenet called Condoleezza Rice, then national security adviser, from the car and said he needed to see her right away. There was no practical way she could refuse such a request from the CIA director. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

[Jon]

Walt, have fun with Don Trump now because he will NEVER be President. He will be slaughtered, drawn and quartered by any Democratic nominee. A landslide, and one I can only fantasize about. But Donnie-I say second month of primaries at most, likely gone before that. Will be due to some very bizarre reason. The Party powerbrokers and moneyhandlers will see to his demise.

[Jon]

On the Climate front, NOAA report for June as promised.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c63df4a057ea4685b9e2c7d559bb57fc/another-month-another-global-heat-record-broken-far

Ready boys- deny, deny, deny. Its month after blazing month, after blazing month.

[joe smith]

Yes Jon- Trump has never had any vision of being president, he has figured out a way to leverage the system to bring him untold wealth with very little effort. First and foremost Trump knows how to make money. In terms of "stupid is as stupid does", the Tea Party is low hanging fruit. Trump will force the GOP to squirm to the tune of unlimited dollars to make him go away.

[Russ]

Paul Emory has a untreatable leftist desease, know as Bush Derangement Syndrome. It is like all incurable diseases one just has to learn to live with it, including family, friends and others who comes in contact with the person carrying the disease. It is most unfortunate as the disease can be debilitating, causing one to dwell on the past, unable to intellectually move forward to address new ideas, concepts and issues. Sad, very sad.

[Paul Emery]

Knock it off Russ. I was responding to Georges unsubstantiated statement that Obama is the worst President in modern times. So far he has not offered a tid bit of substance when I challenged him to make real comparisons of Bush and Obama based on established historical events. I offer you the same challenge if you want to take it up. Otherwise this is just partisan babble and nothing else. Don't take this as my endorsement of Obama as a good President . My record is clear on this and he didn't get my vote second time around, something that not many on this blog can say about their support for Bush in 04'. By then his incompetence was well established.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 806pm - did I miss an established historical event, of say, the CIA flags about 9/11? And you seem to have a metric in mind to compare presidents - what is it?

I would say that Obamacare, losing the mid-east gains left to him, the worst SecState in memory, Benghazi, IRS scandals, EPA rum amok, Ukraine, South China Sea, Syria, ISIS, Libya, ... the list goes on and on. But the conversation is moot because none of these qualify as "tid bits of substance" to a progressive. 86

[Don Bessee]

'make real comparisons of Bush and0 based on established historical events.' Established by whom? You, like your BS truther 9/11 charge? Lame. No more valid than FDR let Pearl Harbor happen to get in the war.

[Paul Emery]

Don, George

Has there been a greater foreign policy error than the war in Iraq in modern times? If so let me know.

[George Rebane]

DonB 832pm - Your point reinforces what I stated in my 808am. But all a liberal can do is send the CCC in reply. The conversation is pointless.

For example, consider PaulE's naïve 835pm. Everyone knows that Vietnam was ten times any error connected to Gulf2.

[Russ]

[email protected]:06PM

I think it would be best to let historians decide who was the worst President. They will have a better perspective, I am too close to events, which had or have an impact on my personal life to make a valid judgment. I voted for Bush, but did not agree will all of his policies, however, I did admire his ability to state US military objectives and then let the military do their job. And, when they made mistakes, Bush took the heat. This is in stark contract to our current President, who is a first class control freak who makes all the decisions, but when sh*t happens he refuses to accept responsibility. I will let the historians decide who showed the most leadership skills and made the decisions with the most positive long-term impact on the future of the nation. That will be one history lesson that I will miss, having long departed for places unknown.

[Jon]

George, how was Vietnam 10 times the error connected to Iraq? More American dead in Nam, but the cost of war to the United States was greater, even when measured in current dollars, and its still growing. Strategically in world relations, Iraq was ten times worse than Vietnam! Or more.

[Jon]

meant to say...cost of IRAQ War greater than Vietnam, even in 2015 dollars.

[Bill Tozer]

Just cause a lib says it and passionately believes it, it does not make it true, credible, or make it so. Not even close 20% of the time. Just because someone writes a song, believes it is a great song, and plays it in front of the drunks down at the honkytonk, does not make the lyrics true..

[Paul Emery]

George

It's surprising to me that you consider the Viet Nam war to be a mistake. I thought you considered it to be a necessary cold war Communist curtailment action. The similarities to Iraq are profound when you consider that justification for the war was the phoney Bay of Tonkin incident that is much like the erroneous WMD's in Iraq. Perhaps we are more in agreement than I thought on American foreign policy.

[Don Bessee]

Well gee PE your 835 leaves me with too much to type. Lets see, 0's iran deal that exponentially increases the likelihood of a nuclear exchange in the meddle east with all that chain of events implies. Much like the Nazi's hoodwinking the big countries like Britons,remember Chamberlin waving the bit of paper with a hitler scrawl as peace in out time. LOL! WWI, you get the drift. Allowing the whole Stalin administration that had infiltrated our govt. worse than any McCarty claims, including live updates from Los Alamos. What was his count 100 millions?

[Paul Emery]

Don

You are speculating on what might happen based on what you claim did happen. In the case of Iraq what DID happen was we ignored the lessons on Nation Building, case in point being Viet Nam. Your view on Iraq is your opinion not a matter of fact such as the war in Iraq. There are many who disagree with your assumption on Iran, One thing for sure is is not a fact, like the war in Iraq, of a failed and disastrous foreign policy.

[Jon]

Tozer, cost is roughly 800 billion+ for Iraq vs. 730 billion for Vietnam.
Iraq costs keep climbing with healthcare and ongoing military expense. All data here easily located.

[Jon]

While the local Spiro Agnew types on here whine and moan about all the bad things about renewable energy, here's a great story about how they are transforming the former rust belt blight, in of all places, Buffalo, NY! Capitalism, forward thinking entrepeneurs and leadership that gets it. Economic growth through renewables! Who knew? Exciting times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/21/business/energy-environment/the-wind-and-sun-are-bringing-the-shine-back-to-buffalo.html

[Bill Tozer]

Jon. yep, it's getting more expensive to kill ragheads than what it cost us to kill gooks. That we agree on. No armored Humvees, just bombs that fell from sky, Hueys and jeeps. Oh yeah, and a little defoliate. None of this new fangled drone stuff operated by soldiers safety in America. With the price of these new toys and inflation, It makes a man want to go isolationist I can assure you.

[Paul Emery]

Typo 9:43

Shouls have read " Your view on Iran is your opinion not a matter of fact such as the war in Iraq."

[Walt]

Ever since Vietnam, LIBS have been great at losing conflicts. We kicked some butt when Repubs were running the wars, and when LIBS took over we ended up kissing enemy butt.
( had to dumb it down so "jon" can comprehend.)
And since "jon" never had the balls to enlist, whatever his smartass comment will be is null and void.
Paul. You can add "O" being the Father of ISIS to his list of accomplishments.
They were born under his watch, when "O" made that GREAT decision to pull all the troops out. That sure worked out well.
Glenn Beck sure called the fall of the Middle East. Even back when he was on FOX, he mapped it out. You can find those clips on youtube.

Place your bets. Will a nuke go off before "O" is out of office?
He has just about handed one over to the camel jockeys. Side bet. Israel or the U.S.?
Don't forget N. Korea has grown a set of balls too, looking to screw with us.
Then there is the loose cannon Putin knowing "O" is nutless.

[Bill Tozer]

Shouls have read "should", Shouls? :)

Yo Jon, it was real, it was fun, but it wasn't real fun. That was before Star Wars. Boots on the ground is an expensive endevneur. . Let's take a walk down memory lane while the bean counters add up the costs and tell us about the point of dimishing returns via the teletype machine. Oh yeah, these are the faces of the young men who were spat upon by the liberals on US soil under orders to not responde nor react, lest we forget. Some will never forget what the liberals thought of them. Music, mistral

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWEv9Q0XQ4.

[Bill Tozer]

Obama said there are no red states, no blue states, just The United States. Reagen said there is no left or right. Somehow I believe the old guy over the new guy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3hY1eagq88

[Bill Tozer]

Ok, good night y'all. A little Archy Bunker wisdom for your sweet dreamies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqCS7Y_kME

[Todd Juvinall]

I was informed that Jeff Pellinbe is now a supporter of Linda Cambell. I checked it out and he looks like he is. He also trashed me and RR and the Tea Party. So what's new?

"Pelline apparently supports hate speech as long as it is against the tea party or conservatives. Any wonder why that fellow is a small marginal player in the local scene? A reader saw an article on Pelline's blog where he excoriates the Union's George Boardman for calling for the nutty Linda Campbell's resignation from the School Board. Of course the leftwingnut Pelline can't help himself and tosses me and others into his hate filled diatribe. But that is OK, I believe even nuts like Pelline have a right to criticize.

The difference between Pelline and the rest of the community (except for the two or three nuts that post comments on his blog) is we do not seek "death to the right!" He and his ilk would rather have this Campbell woman in a position of authority over our children than a conservative posting a comment letter in the local paper!

The Campbell email was anonymous to begin with so the Tea Party members had no idea it came from Campbell. The tone of the email frightened these Tea Party women and they reported it to the police. Pelline says that is an "overreach" I guess. And this is from a man who calls the Sheriff and reports that I linked to his FaceBook page! So in Pelline's view of Campbell, he will or is becoming a bosom buddy with her and is wrapping his arms around her a a Trustee! I say she disqualified herself and I find total agreement with Boardman that she should immediately resign. She is bad for the community and her position of trust was compromised."

[George Boardman]

Jeffy never lets the facts get in the way when he's telling his version of the story.

He admits Campbell's screed to the Tea Party was "ill-advised and childish," but apparently that's acceptable behavior for somebody who has a governance role in our local high school district.

He says the Tea Party overreacted to the threat. Let's see: They got an anonymous diatribe suggesting something bad might happen if they participated in the Fourth of July parade. Any prudent individual would at least give the police a call, as Pelline has been known to do.

Pelline says I have an axe to grind with the high school district because The Union lost a Freedom of Information suit. Not at all. I just like to point out the buffoonery that takes place on the board, such as the decision to retain two teachers at a cost of $155,000 who can't be justified because of falling enrollment.

Finally, Jeffy says I practice self preservation by pandering to the hard right and Tea Party. That would explain why I have written columns calling for more gun control, criticizing climate skeptics,supporting same-sex marriage, and taken numerous other positions that don't set well with conservatives.

Given some of the stories I heard when he was editing The Union, Jeffy will find it hard to believe that nobody tells me what to write about. Brian Hamilton learns the subject of my column when I file it Friday morning.

The money The Union pays me isn't enough to change my lifestyle. Unlike Pelline, I don't have to kiss anybody's ass to make a living.

[fish]

Posted by: George Boardman | 21 July 2015 at 10:30 AM

If nothing else George I appreciate that you refrain from employing the royal "we".

[Bill Tozer]

I must agree with Mr. Boardman 100%. You can and should expect someone of my ill manners, crude behavior, and hair trigger temperament to go over the top and totally lose it. But even lowly I have higher standards for anyone in position of authority over our children, our community's children. Think she is just in it to pick up some extra dollars during her Golden Years. It takes a village idiot to teach a child I suppose..

Mr. Boardman, prior to your arrival in The Hills of Health, the sow bug sharped one was pestering, jabbing, and stabbing on this site once upon a time. After singing the praises of the virtues of government run public education, it was brought to the attention of His Lardship that his own offspring attended private school and where. A nice private Catholic School or something.
Well, Mt St Pelline erupted on that one. His bride even hopped in the action about endangering the life of their child, now apparently a sitting duck to terrorists and psychopaths lurching in the deep recesses of depravity. The Boogieman cometh.
Get this. The lovely couple even called the police to evaluate the threat, ROFLMAO.

You can't make this stuff up. When he was employed by a local Western Nevada County newspaper, he wrote stories about his football playing nephew at Bear Rivet, including, of course, a detailed description of what the student ate from the family Bar-B-Que. it was ribs, but I digress. Name, age, grade, the whole shebang.

Every year our local newspaper publishes the lists of honor students, sports team members, school club members, 4-H kids, etc. But when someday mentions his kid (without mentioning name or age or probably sex), His Highnass gets so out of sorts he could of threaded a sewing needle on the sewing machine while it is running. Too funny. A splendid time to remind all readers great and small that His Excellentass has Sheriff Royal on speed dial!, ROTFLMAO. Make him stop, of please, make the Michelein Tire Man stop. This is killing me. Boo!
It's never been better.

[George Rebane]

GeorgeB 1030am - Little can be added to Mr Tozer's 1221pm, save that Pelline, besides being a nasty piece of work, has so many areas of deep ignorance and yet enjoys displaying them for all to see. It boggles the mind to have someone identify you as being partial to the Right. Nevertheless Mr Boardman, whether your ideological contributions hit or miss the (conservatarian) mark makes no nevermind here. Your views always provide a welcome dimension to the discussions in which you participate. Et illegitimi non carborundum ;-)

[Don Bessee]

Dr. R 104 - ;-) Nobody getting ground down around here other than he who's name we shall not utter. LOL

[Gregory]

Now that, once again, I've a half decent computer up and running with all my old files, it's probably time to put Campbell's love notes to me in one long screed in an open letter. How that woman was able to thrive in the academic basement of our local high school district should be a shame to all, and the current board and administration should be the ones to help Ms.Campbell find something better suited to her talents and energy than representing the voters and parents of Nevada County in the oversight of the high school district.

Integral to what passed (to some) as an apology by Campbell was a rerunning of that completely off-the-wall piece of hers regarding Capitalism, and her volunteering to teach classes on the constitution for local right wing groups... how was that taken as an apology by anyone? I've never read anything less sincere outside of a Pelline blog post. “I am incredibly passionate not only about the Constitution itself, but the history of the people and the time period in which it was created,” Campbell writes in the letter. “I taught both subjects based on documented and well-researched information in a professional, non-ideological approach.”

Absolutely nothing I've read from this woman, starting with her absolutely off base, incorrect ad hominem rantings regarding Common Core in her letter to the editor smearing me in May 2014, was documented, well researched, professional or non-ideological, let alone all four.

Here's a link where Ms.Cambell's prior letter was ripped into shreds
http://www.theunion.com/opinion/15788020-113/greg-goodknight-common-cored-indeed

BTW my suggested title was just "Common Cored", in my opinion both clever and appropriate. I'd also like to suggest that, since the average college graduate earned a 1080 Math + Verbal SAT in high school, that we set a minimum SAT for anyone wishing to teach in K-12 public schools; I'd like that to be 1080 but 950 (roughly equivalent to an IQ of 95) is probably more defensible for an average. Campbell claims to have a high IQ but I think that claim needs to be taken with a truckfull of salt.

[Don Bessee]

So what do we call them now? There were no native Americans according to todays report in Science from the center for geogenetics. Siberians walked to north America on the glaciers 25k years ago or less in one big wave DNA shows. They then broke into two groups, one who we call native Americans and the other is the eskimos. They all immigrated here too! So are they Siberian Americans now?

[Don Bessee]

0's economic and immigration policies have been devastating to children of color in the US. Under 0 total child poverty jumped to 22% by 2013, for blacks it is 40%! They further report that 31% of all kids lived in homes with nobody holding a regular job. Not to mention the disparate employment patterns of native v foreign born, with all the new jobs essentially going to foreign born. Ya that open boarder has done great things for wages and children especially those of color! LOL

[Michael R. Kesti]

Bill Tozer 21July15 at 12:21 PM

"...gets so out of sorts he could of threaded a sewing needle..."

Please. "Could have" or "could've."

[Bill Tozer]

Thank you Mr.Kesti. Honestly, I looked at that sentence 3 times with that nagging feeling that it did not sound right. Them couldas and wouldas always leave me shouldas all over myself. I stand naked and unarmed before the World Court on this one. I offer no excuse, no plausible explanation save I have no idea where that butchered grammar came from. :)