Sandbox - 22jul15

[We have been hearing a lot of chest beating about the demise of the Republican Party during the last year.  And to hear the same prognosticators, 2016 will pretty much bury the GOP.  Here's a little graphic to ponder.  gjr]

Comments

[Todd Juvinall]

I see the KI-ote is whining about Citizens United decision again. The left has to have a reason for their smackdown by the American people and that decision seems their favorite excuse. I say the American people are simply rejecting the left and their ideas. Too much "progressive" policy has brought the middle class all its prob;ems. The people see through them and are booting their sorry asses out of power. Of course there are some that will never be booted. Like the urban whiners who keep getting re-elected even though their constituents never progress to success. But that to me is the best example of "progressive" success. Generation after generation of people on the dole. Wow! Those urban democrats are sooo proud!

The whiny Ki-ote like all good progressives only tells half the story though. His favorite group, unions, get to donate all they want as well and we can see their success here in California. Millions of dollars from the unions to keep a hegemon here and look at the mess they have made.

[Walt]

DAMN.... I should have copyrighted my latest brain storm. It's already been swiped.
Someone picked up " Teflon Don" to describe Trump and is now using it.

[George Boardman]

You should have included the key paragraph from The Wall Street Journal article that accompanied the chart:

"For now, the two parties wield their influence in competing branches of government: Republicans, in control of Congress, using state-level dominance to draw congressional districts friendly to GOP candidates; and Democrats in the White House, using their demographic advantage nationwide."

Our future is perpetual grid lock in Washington.

[fish]

Posted by: George Boardman | 22 July 2015 at 09:15 AM

Our future is perpetual grid lock in Washington.

I can live with that.

[George Rebane]

Wanna take a look at how another liberal run state is doing, then consider Illinois. It is vying for the worst run state in the Union with other long-led Democrat states like California and New Jersey. In Illinois the voters finally elected a Republican governor (Rauner) whom the Democrat legislature is attempting to nail with the state's fiscal problems. The Dems refused to pass a budget until Rauner submits to yet another tax increase for the Land of Lincoln. Rauner refused unless the Dems will rollback some really putrid regs that are driving out Illinois businesses. The Dems have in their turn refused, hoping that the state government will have to shut down so they put the blame on Rauner. Overall, it pays the intelligent reader to examine the fortunes of states that for years have been under the tender mercies of liberals, and compare them to states not so blessed. More here -
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/01/illinois-facing-partial-government-shutdown-amid-fiscal-crisis/

Re government gridlock - one of the oldest parts of the Rebane Doctrine is 'Government gridlock is good.' I recall that both Mark Twain and Will Rogers had some wise counsel on that condition which inevitably benefitted Everyman. I also have advised that legislatures' productivity should be radically redefined. Now the country's naïfs attribute productivity to the number of new laws the politicos pass to satisfy their respective special interests. A more useful measure would be the net of laws passed and laws sunsetted - or simply the net pages added/subtracted from the tomes of the US Code.

[Todd Juvinall]

When I was running CABPRO we invited the "Cigarettes Cheaper" owner to come and speak. He became a thorn in the side to Sacramento governments because he just didn't roll over to their power when he wanted to open some new stores.

He said to us that "whenever a commission or other government meeting takes place, we all lose so more freedoms". This is totally true. So my philosophy has been "less is more" regarding Americans freedoms.

One only need to look at the ridiculous amounts of tax payers money just approved by the BOS to force compliance of the "tower" people in Penn Valley. Why would our local government people (4 repubs) do this? Change the rules to allow people to build on their property where they want to build. They own the ridge line so if the government wants to control it, then BUY IT!

[Gregory]

A shocking fake news story today

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ccgs-amundsen-re-routed-to-hudson-bay-to-help-with-heavy-ice-1.3162900?cmp=rss

Some shmucky Canucks expect us to believe the worst summer ice in 20 years has forced them to relieve a Canadian Coast Guard ship of global warming research duty in order to help shipping deal with Arctic sea ice.

Who to believe... Jerry Brown, the Pope, or Canadians?

[Account Deleted]

"Our future is perpetual grid lock in Washington."

Oh, if only that were true. Unfortunately, the folks in DC keep very busy issuing new regs and rules like a never-ending stream of brown liquid from a failed septic tank.
Not to mention the constant increase in spying and info collection of the lives of the general public.
Govt shutdown? Gridlock? It's never happened and never will.

[George Rebane]

re Gregory's 1242pm - It is clear that these Canucks have no respect for science, especially that part of science where the debate is over. What a bunch of primitives.

[Account Deleted]

Jerry and the Pope are cooking up more laws for us schlubs so we can be holier. Jerry is back to quoting scripture and talking about morality as it pertains to his apocalyptic views concerning AGW.
And the left complains about the conservatives trying to set up a theocracy!
http://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-gov-brown-blasts-climate-change-critics-during-vatican-conference-20150721-story.html

I notice the Pope doesn't like western capitalism, but has no problem sucking up money from us. And he gets around the world how? Little 'green' cherubim flying his carcass across the ocean?

[Todd Juvinall]

Regarding government and laws and regulations.

I would offer three times the yearly salary to the Congress if they would remove laws and regs and resist new ones for ten years. And not just little BS stuff. And they would spend the savings on infrastructure and the old farts. The American people would save trillions!

[Walt]

Looks like the 15 buck minimum wage isn't working so hot. The Gov. tit suckers refuse to let go of that gov. tit. " I'm making too much money! I will lose my food stamps! That means I will have to pay for my own food! That just ain't right!!!"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/22/seattle-sees-fallout-from-15-minimum-wage-as-other-cities-follow-suit/

[Don Bessee]

In the is anyone surprised dept., we now find out about secret side deals that put parchan research facility inspections out of our control or if they even can happen outside the 'deal' with iran. John the lurch Kerry admitted he has not seen them but he trusts the UN. $**))@&%&%)#&@()$&&*@_)E&$&(W_!!!!!!!!!! More of 0 red lines, military research disclosure and parchan inspections were part of the original minimal package that 0 was going to accept. Not one of that list has been met by the 'deal'.

[Walt]

One of those "secret deals" just might be ratting out Israel if the IDF plans a preemptive strike to save their own ass.

[George Rebane]

The Iran deal already stinks to high heaven with the layer upon layer of lies that are being used to cover and sell it. Here's one of the biggest.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-iranian-inspections-mirage-1437607825

[Account Deleted]

9/10s of the American public only hear from the LSM that Obama and Iran have reached an 'historic accord'.
End of story.
Hey look! Another photo of what's her name with a certain body part slightly showing!
Looking through history, we find that P T Barnum, Goebbels and Gruber really knew how to keep the crowd in line. And it's not hard. Most of the volk are easily distracted by baubles and do-dads of the senses.

[Account Deleted]

Oh - here's a great idea.
http://calwatchdog.com/2015/07/22/bill-could-make-it-easier-to-increase-transportation-taxes/
It's for 'transportation projects' only!
So they run up a big pile of dough and can't spend it due to CEQA and we're in another 'emergency' and guess what? They raid the fund (again) to help try to balance the budget.
The OHV (green sticker) money that was stolen has yet to be re-paid. According to a report from the OHMVR the money is supposed to be repaid by the end of the 2016/2017 fiscal year.
http://www.ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/files/staff-report-ohmvr-budget-fy2014-2015-092614.pdf
Some stupid guy called a 'judge' (whatever that is) ruled the money to be repaid 2 years ago. They called it a 'loan'.
Completely illegal, but hey! - isn't that so and so going out with that other guy that's supposed to be gay?

[Bill Tozer]

Let's see now. Regarding the Iranian Nuke Juice, I thought we went into this thing so Iran would not be allowed to enrich uranium. The UN had our backs on this one.
Then we said they could have only so many centrifuges to enrich uranium, for generating electricity of course. Wink, wink. Secret hand sign. Cross my heart, hope to die. Fooled ya, had my fingers crossed.
Now, I guess we are saying they can make the Big One when we are not looking, but only for peaceful purposes, and of course the Iranians will be allowed to have thousands of centrifuges, yet only make a few A-Bombs. Just a few is all they ask. We believe them so much that we lifted the sanctions and now are sworn to defend Iran if Israel tries to wipe Iran's warheads and weapons of mass mega mega regional destruction off the face of the planet.

I friggin told you so, all you asswipe peaceniks. We are now sworn to defendi Iran. That was an easy call cause both the Iranians and Obama's blood relatives are Shittes and they abhor the Sunnis. Easy call, like shooting fish in a barrel.

Then, we have the arrogance problem. Obama truly knows for sure that if the Ayatollahs and him just sit down and gab, a new U.S.-Iranian accord will definitely be reached, no ifs, ands, or butts about it. Obama will sway them over with smooth No Drama slogan utterances. Even the Ayatollahs of Nuclear Winter will be fainting at his words. He is the smartest human on the planet for sure.
Meanwhile, our Secretary of State seemed piqued when asked about all our friends in Iran chanting "Death to America". Kerry acknowledged the rumors of those alleged chants lead by the President of Iran and seemed puzzled. Like, why are they chanting Death to America?? It's a great mystery that only the Libhole mind can truly wrap their shit for brains around.
So, did I come close, did I.??? What did I leave out? Of yeah, I forgot. Stupid me. bad Bill. I plumb forgot that the OPEC oil exporter Iran is sitting on the second or third largest natural gas reserves on the Planet Earth (depending on which report you read) and desperately needs nuke juice for domestic energy production. Desperately is putting it mild. Maybe they need nuclear power to charge up those stretch limo electric golf carts.
Lord know they are not that stupid to dabble in wind and power power. That would be downright absurd now would it not? Nuclear energy is clean energy. Ever try to run the whole house/mosque air conditioner on the longest days of the year with temps over 112 degrees?
Yep, Iran is just trying to fall in line and go green....if us naysayers would only let them do their thing. What is their thing? Glad you asked. It's to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Same goal as the Mooslum Brotherhood, the same group of "moderate Islamics that we can deal with." You know, the Brotherhood that has been invited to the White House on more than one occasion as Obama's personal dining guests.
Obama is a traitor or, to be gentle, is the kind of Eskimo you can sell ice cubes to or beachfront property in Arizona to. What a bunch of asswipes he has surrounded himself with. And let libs get offended when I call them libholes or loose bowels...er..libbowels? Obama offends me. He's your Sugar Daddy, not mine.

[Bill Tozer]

Breaking News!! Iran is going solar. The crisis has passed.

[Todd Juvinall]

Kaitlyn Jenner, errr, Bruce, errr, oh hell who knows, is going to get a "courage" award. The topic was discussed by guest Ben Shapiro of Breibart and a really muttly looking gal who was a guy, Zoey Tur (there should be a "d" on the last name). Anyway, Shapiro said if a woman still had appendages below the belt they are not a girl. Zoe grabbed him by the neck and threatened Shapiro with an ambulance ride!

Now that homosexuals are allowed to "marry", we have to put up with this itty bitty bunch of nuts wanting to be another gender! Sorry to say it, but they are mentally ill. Here is the link to the boy-gal grabbing Ben. Listen to that sweet voice. LOL!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/07/22/transgender-reporter-zoey-tur-triples-down-on-threats-against-ben-shapiro/

[Bill Tozer]

Time for visual aides for our foreign policy wizards on the left

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1437617914./10152893334050914/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/pb.51560645913.-2207520000.1437617981./10152837541625914/?type=3&theater

[Bill Tozer]

We have had a sitting President receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for successfully negotiating an end to hostilities (war) between Russia and Japan.. He is on Mount Rushmore. We have had another sitting President who also won the Nobel Peace Prize for having Arab jiz on his breath and negotiating the end of Israel.

https://www.facebook.com/Protectingourconstitution/photos/pb.123123377842466.-2207520000.1437618438./411784928976308/?type=3&theater

Yep, we are stuck with him for now. Could be worse. The Dems are stuck with Hillary. Always a silver lining.

[Don Bessee]

Well Bill they sure could blow through that 100 billion real quick if they go solar, 0 had to have wasted that much on solar bankrupts like the battery co. that had a ton of patents that included military applications that china bought with no objection from 0 & co.

[Bill Tozer]

Don, why am I not surprised? Disgusted but not surprised. The only reason we invaded Iraq was to put hundreds of thousands of solar panels in the desert. The Middle East was behind the curb, so we had to give them a nudge in the lefty direction. It will save lives as well.

Todd @ 7:20pm. Hey, I am a woman if I say I am. And no peeking behind the curtail looking at my Patriot Missile. No proof necessary, you big brut you. Just take my word for it. Forget all the science and anatomy classes you slept through in middle school. The only thing important is that I am a female solely because I said I am. That takes more courage than Imelda Marcos had shoes...lovely shoes I might add. :)

[Walt]

Love it. Trump hands CNN Cooper his ass.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/22/trump_to_anderson_cooper_during_interview_the_people_dont_trust_you_and_the_media.html

[Bill Tozer]

Dr. Rebane @ 12:46 pm 07/22/15 in response to Gregory.

Speaking of them primitive Canooks:

http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/3e9o5j/newfoundland_meteorologist_arrested_and_charged/

[Psaul Emery]

Here's one for you to reveal the hypocrisy of the so called "States Rights" Conservative Republicans.

Food industry-backed H.R. 1599 would make the labeling of food products derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs) voluntary for food companies, and it would BLOCK INDIVIDUAL STATES or municipalities from requiring GMO labeling.

The Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act of 2015 would require the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to regulate the distribution and labeling related to bioengineered foods.

The Pubbers are hiding under the skirt of the FDA on this one, passing a new regulation for them to enfore. The FDA is one of the agencies most often cited as over regulatory by patrons of this blog and Repubs in general.

The bill is co sponsored by our own Rep LaMalfa, Those of you with connections to LaMalfa ask him why "States Rights" are ignored on this issue. It is sponsored by Repubber Rep. Mike Pompeo, [R-KS-4]

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr1599

This shows what money can buy since Monsanto and other international Corps dish out the bucks to friendly Congressmen. I remember La Malfa bugling States Rights last year while running for Congress. What a joke.

[Jon]

Very nice of Hypocrite LaMalfa to intentionally increase the size and scope of Federal Agencies which he rails about to his base. Wave those Tea Party and SOJ flags for Doug Lamalfa! What a beauty that guy is.

[fish]

Posted by: Psaul Emery | 23 July 2015 at 02:57 PM

Food industry-backed H.R. 1599 would make the labeling of food products derived from genetically modified organisms (GMOs) voluntary for food companies, and it would BLOCK INDIVIDUAL STATES or municipalities from requiring GMO labeling.

Well Psaul... live by the commerce clause, die by the commerce clause.

[Psaul Emery]

Well Fish don't look for Tea Party Republicans for leadership if States Rights is your cause.

[fish]

Posted by: Psaul Emery | 23 July 2015 at 03:42 PM

What "Tea Party Republicans" Psaul....every time the issue comes up here we are repeatedly assured that the Tea Party is dead.

[Psaul Emery]

I was just making an observation that States Rights are not part of the agenda of LaMalfa types who claim to be Tea Party supporters.

[fish]

Posted by: Psaul Emery | 23 July 2015 at 03:53 PM

A politician lied.....that's unpossible!

[Todd Juvinall]

That's right. Libs say the TP is toothless and meaningless so what the heck?

Also, the "labeling" Psaul is so concerned about was a defeated California initiative. So LaMalfa is doing the state's rights issue.

[Psaul Emery]

I don't know what you're talking about Todd. LaMalfa is taking the decision of food labeling out of the hands of the States and giving it to the Feds. Apparently you support that right Todd.

[Jon]

Paul, Todd says crazy things like that just to avoid having to admit he lost the argument in a particular issue. Better to look like an confused idiot than to appear weak in staying principled. Its the Limbaugh/Trump playbook to a T.

[Walt]

It's after 4:20. "jon"'s comments are now questionable. Paul is right about that GMO stuff.
"jon" has yet to even deny being a Monsanto GMO MMJ guinea pig.

[Jon]

Actually Walt, I'd peg Todd's commentary more along the lines of a Sarah Palin type scribe.

[Todd Juvinall]

Looks like "jon" is hitting the bottle again. Or is it ganga? What a hoot!

[Todd Juvinall]

Regarding the food labeling issue. California voted it down by initiative. Another state did as well. If there is actually a "interstate" issue the Commerce Clause enforces it certainly is this. If a State contained the products wholely within its state then I would agree with Psual.

[Don Bessee]

Hey Psaul, did paul marry pascalle? lol SO Paul would your gmo bill apply to gmmj too? LOL

[Jon]

"So LaMalfa is doing the state's rights issue" [re: GMO labeling]. TJ

What does this mean? Please explain more clearly and specifically.

[Todd Juvinall]

Put down the bottle and I will explain. OK, I...am....saying....he.... is....supporting...the bill since the products cross the state lines. The US Constitutions then applies. Get it?

[fish]

Posted by: Psaul Emery | 23 July 2015 at 04:02 PM

Feds take lots of decisions away from the states.....I don't seem to recall you heading to the fainting couch when they told Arizona not to enforce border control Paul?

And if you're really upset about politicians lying why haven't we heard anything about all those promises that illegals wouldn't qualify for Obamacare and now California pols are trying to give it to them with subsidies?

[Bill Tozer]

Seems to be the voters of the darkest of blue states (the former Golden State) rejected the last ballot Propisition to do what Paul EEEEEEEEEEeee is railing about. It was on the ballot and the majority of this heavily Democrat State rejected it and rejected your ideas Paul EEEEEEEEEEeeeee!!!

Sore loser, as in LOSER! Give me a "L", give me an "O", give me a "S", give me an "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE", give me a "R".......What's that spell? What's that spell? What's that smell?!!

[Bill Tozer]

Yo Paul EEEEEEEEEEEEEeee. In case you missed it, yesterday was National Hot Dog Day. The best thing you have on your side is the new batch of fine young maidens from PETA. They protested by wearing only lettuce leaves. Got my attention, briefly. Imagine wearing weeds as clothing. Well, I suppose Adam wore a hole through Eve's fig leaf so that was nothing to write home about. Yep, PETA is the best thing going for the libs right now. It only we could get those fair maidens to braid their armpit hair, life would be marvelous.

Whether one is a vegan, a vagan, a sushi eater, or just a run of the mill Banana Head or Granola Brain, have anyone of youse lefties noticed the price of CA eggs lately?? Your side won that Proposition on the last Statewide Ballot so rejoice and make merriment. Free range chickens aren't free, but it's that thought that counts, right?

[Jon]

Todd, you make zero when you are talking States Rights at the same time talking interstate commerce. Just admit you're a moron.

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon put down the bottle and stop the whining. You are an embarrassment here. Out of bar..... .err, league.

[Todd Juvinall]

BillT, you are sooo funny. Yep, those PETA pals got all those hearts to bleed about how close those chickens were living and won the Proposition. Now we all said eggs, those little packets of cheap food, those little eyes looking back at us from the frying pan, would double in price if the Proposition passed. But the good people of California went ahead and gave all those chickens a Lazyboy and here we are. Eggs were 99 cens a dozen and now five bucks in some places. All those chickens can now take it easy as those same voters now cry out "my omelet cost ten bucks! What happened?) Well I ain't telling them. That wizard of JB bottle drinking "Jon" is crying.

[Paul Emery]

Well my friends Vermont has passed a law requiring but in your view the Feds should have the power to overturn the wishes of the citizens of Vermont o merely know shat;s in their food. George, wasn't it you who championed States Rights as creating a lab for new and innovative ideas? What happened here?

[Paul Emery]

typo "requiring GMO labeling"

[George Rebane]

PaulE 921pm - I'm still for states' rights; don't know what problem you're referring to.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, why are you not answering BillT's post about California rejecting you on labels?

[Fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 23 July 2015 at 09:21 PM

..... but in your view the Feds should have the power to overturn the wishes of the citizens

Not "in my view"......in law. I'd love for Vermont to tell the Feds to pound sand. Six months from now Texas announces it's going to give 3rd graders automatic weapons 🔫because of "the wishes of the citizens" and you'll be in a full pearl clutching frenzy about defiance of Federal Law.

[Paul Emery]

Todd Bills post is irrelavant to the question Todd. California has the right to reject or require labeling and the voters chose not requiring labeling. In Vermont they did make that requirement but the feds are taking that right away from the citizens of Vermont That is the question at hand.

George

What I am referring to is that the State of Vermont, and possibly other states in the future, have chosen to require GMO labeling for all such foodsold in their state. HR 1599 would take that right away from the states with a
Federal law forbidding States to make that choice.
so called States Rights advocates such as La Malfa are getting behind the Feds having the power to do this despite their so called States Rights advocacy.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 948pm - It seems that there is a natural limit to states rights - at least a fuzzy one. It seems silly to have states enact laws that would be difficult if not dangerous to follow in other states. Say if one or a few states decided to adopt the British 'drive on the left' law. Or require something of products made in their state that would not be required in other states into which such products were exported. At some level federal law would have to form a common ground rule for the nation. Don't you think?

Maybe that's why LaMalfa is backing a unified federal GMO labeling law since food products are always transported across state lines. Anyway, that's my best guess.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, then you are a supporter of Prop 187? Prop 209?

[fish]

Uh Oh......looks like we have two chaps trying to one up each other in the new lefty racial pecking order!

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/jon-stewart-told-wyatt-cenac-to-fck-off.html

[Todd Juvinall]

Fish I read the article you linked to above. White people, including European Jews, and blacks are 180 degrees out of faze even in comedy. I sure would like to see that end but when you read the comments by the black writer on the Daily Show it does not appear it will.

[Jon]

"Maybe that's why LaMalfa is backing a unified federal GMO labeling law since food products are always transported across state lines. Anyway, that's my best guess." GR 10:40

My best guess is that Big Ag supports the Wealthy Rice Farmer and the Wealthy Rice Farmer supports the interests of Big Ag. Its well documented. The Monsanto's of the world are not too keen on disclosure of GMO.

[fish]

Posted by: Jon | 24 July 2015 at 07:57 AM

Probably this as well.

[Todd Juvinall]

Twi Inspector General's are asking AG Loretta Lynch to open a criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton's email issues. What chance do you think that has? Maybe ZERO!

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/criminal-inquiry-sought-in-hillary-clintons-use-of-email.html

[George Rebane]

Jon 757am - Now that we have the politics out of the way, perhaps you would also have a more germane viewpoint on the more difficult issue of how to sort out the rights of states and the federal govt when it comes to laws/regs/codes.

As a stake in the ground, progressives have always seen the states as more or less of an inherited nuisance when it comes to governance.

[Jon]

How to sort out the rights of states vs. federal govt? LOL. George, I really don't intend on spending another 4-5 years doing post-graduate work in this area.. But I do support a balance in these difficult. People in Iowa have a right to make laws for the benefit of commerce and doings strictly within Iowa.

[Paul Emery]

Well George if you read HR 1599 you will find it reaffirms the need for the FDA, an agency that earlier you expressed a desire to eliminate leaving it's chores up to the States. This is an example as to why don't get behind the Tea party Repubs such as LaMalfa because they stand for nothing but Government for the convenience of their financial backers.

Here's the link again for you to check out.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr1599

"The Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act of 2015 would require the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to regulate the distribution and labeling related to bioengineered foods (often referred to ... "

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 July 2015 at 10:05 AM

So just so I can follow the usual tortured logic Paul.....the mechanism and authority is still in place for federal regulation to preempt regulation by the states. Is it your claim that George is endorsing centralized regulation at the federal level or are you merely attempting to grind your axe against LaMalfa and the now marginalized Tea Party through our genial host?

You're a hard guy to follow Paul.

[Todd Juvinall]

As usual crickets on our questions. That is why I usually don't engage the libs.

[Jon]

What serious question of yours remains unanswered? Nothing visible.

[Jon]

Just when Todd senses some type of phantom momentum in his Party...in the words of Rick Perry...OOPS!

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/07/24/poll-republican-party-approval-ratings-lowest-in-decades/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/cruz-mcconnell-lied-on-ex-im-bank-cannot-be-trusted/2015/07/24/0e9b886c-3211-11e5-a879-213078d03dd3_story.html

[Jon]

sorry Dr. Rebane, last one meant for Sandbox.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1005am - I don't think I've ever included the FDA in my list of fed departments to eliminate. While they suffer from the usual bureaucratic sclerosis, many of their functions are necessary at the federal level as I discussed in my 1040pm. Should these functions require a separate agency, or should they be melded into another agency is an open question. We do know that their heavy hand has been a bane to the development and approval of pharmaceuticals.

[Paul Emery]

Fish

In this case yes George is endorsing Fed regulation over States Rights by his support o the Republican Party and our Congressman.

Todd

sorry you feel insecure engaging with Libertarians such as myself. The Republicratic party is just perfect for those who believe in nothing but the status quo.

[Todd Juvinall]

Insecure? Hardly, I defeat your ideas all the time. Libs just lie and never answer our questions so what is the point. A conversation is a back and forth. Libs are just "forth"

[George Boardman]

This conversation about who should be regulating GMOs is all backwards.

Typically, LIBS want federal regulation because state legislatures can be more easily manipulated by local special interests, while the CONS want to preserve the right of states to operate free of federal interference.

Or is it the other way around? Confusing times indeed.

[Jon]

Paul, article about the theater gunman in LA. Does the description of this guy remind you of anyone around here?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/theater-gunman-angry-man-radical-views-32671638

[George Rebane]

GeorgeB 135pm - In general conservatives want states to have minimal federal interference, and liberals are more comfortable with central planning and enforcement.

[Paul Emery]

Todd, in this conversation you must be referring to Libertarian (libs) because that's my party of preference.

George

I don't want to dwell on this but you must agree with me the irony that in thois situation it's the so called Conservatives calling for Federal control.

[Don Bessee]

Did anyone hear that the infamous Bo Bergdahl (Taliban 5 swap) was busted in Mendocino county in a pot farm raid? The report said the Sheriffs drove him to Santa Rosa and turned him over to an army officer who was taking back to his home base.LOL

[fish]

Hey look......a cowardly politico is reacting to less than optimal PR

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/boehner-hillary-immediately-turn-over-email-server_996935.html

Go John Boy Go!

[Todd Juvinall]

I am truly proud of Ted Cruz for his speech today on the Senate floor.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 216pm - Agreed, if the libs really want GMO labeling to become state specific.

[Jon]

Todd, I thought you were a Reagan Republican, taught to not speak badly of another fellow Pubber. Cruz ripped one of your leaders Mitch McConnell to shreds and you applaud? Trump has ripped half the Repub field to shreds. What is going on? Very confused.
I love it personally, but its not Reaganesque. Hypocrisy once again?

[Bill Tozer]

Babble on Jon Boy. You are still stuck with Hillary. My condolences to you and your loved ones as well.

[Bonnie McGuire]

Jon....some of us don't run with the herd mentality but prefer to think for ourselves. Remember ...our constitution is concerned about and protects individuals from group mentality and their media. I used to get a kick out of watching television regarding a Republican making a speech. The reporter gave his or her "interpretation" that wasn't what I saw and heard. Pay attention, and don't take honesty for granted.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Bonnie McGuire | 24 July 2015 at 07:36 PM

That might be relevant Bonnie if Todd had stated that he did NOT follow the 11th commandment, but somewhere here in the last 3-4 days he most emphatically said he DID follow it.

I for one would never agree to such a ridiculous commandment, if you're an idiot you're an idiot I don't care if you're a Democrat :)

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon you must stay off the bottle. You are incoherent.

Bonnie is right on the money. We on the right are free thinkers and can and do disagree with our leaders and fellow travelers. Liberals are all brain dead zombies and easily led.

[Walt]

Funny. LIBS sure live by that "commandment".
McConnell is more LIB than GOP, so that "commandment" doesn't apply to him.

But Trump is what we need. LIB news is back to their same old tricks. Manufacturing trouble.

[Paul Emery]

George

What I am talki9ng about is the right for States to make that decision themselves without the Feds trumping the, That's what LaMalfa and the Repubs in the house desire. More Federal control.

[Jon]

Walt, Reagan would be considered a RHINO by the standards of the far right, emotion driven loons. Reagan encouraged Mexican and Central American immigration for example.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1118pm - I do know what you're talking about. Your last statement, if meant as a blanket characterization, is nonsense.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: George Rebane | 25 July 2015 at 08:26 AM

Because Lord knows, blanket characterizations are not allowed here :)

I think what Jon is saying is that many of Ronald Reagan's policies would be considered anathema to the modern Republican Party, and would be opposed by a large majority of the current class of Republican presidential candidates.

For example, Cap and Trade came partly from the Reagan administration using an emission cap to phase out leaded gasoline.

As Governor of California Reagan was pro-choice and expanded Medical coverage.

Reagan increased Social Security taxes and gasoline taxes. Actually Reagan signed at least 10 tax increases as President including taxes for highway funding, on pensions, to fund superfund clean up, and as part of numerous omnibus budget deals.

The budget deficit more than tripled under the two Reagan administrations.

Reagan supported expanded background checks on guns and supported an assault weapons ban.

Reagan agreed to an immigration deal that today would be defined as granting 'amnesty' to illegal aliens.

Reagan negotiated nuclear arms agreements with the Soviet Union that could be seen as roughly analogous to the agreements negotiated by President Obama with Iran. Reagan even secretly condoned the sales of arms to Iran.

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times (as did Bush I and Bush II several times).

[Steven Frisch]

Oh yeah, I forgot, President Reagan signed the Montreal Protocol, creating a Cap and Trade system to reduce ozone depleting emissions in 1987 :)

[Steven Frisch]

Oops, that should have been in response to Jon's comments.

[fish]

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 25 July 2015 at 08:58 AM

I think what Jon is saying is that many of Ronald Reagan's policies would be considered anathema to the modern Republican Party, and would be opposed by a large majority of the current class of Republican presidential candidates.

Interesting in that the exchange between Paul and George touched on Saint Ronald not at all.

[fish]

See! Evul Corporayshuns will stop at nothing to continue melting the ice caps.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11762680/Three-scientists-investigating-melting-Arctic-ice-may-have-been-assassinated-professor-claims.html

Even co-opting the very forces of nature to carry out their vile deeds!

Professor laxon fell down a flight of stairs at a New year’s Eve party at a house in Essex while Dr Giles died when she was in collision with a lorry when cycling to work in London. Dr Boyd is thought to have been struck by lightning while walking in Scotland.

....struck by lightning?!?!

[George Rebane]

SteveF 858am - Now we both know that all generalizations are not created equal - some work and some don't. Rejecting a particular generalization does not imply that all generalizations should be rejected. And we do admit to different set of generalizations. C'est la vie.

[Bonnie McGuire]

One thing I noticed when Reagan was President. The Dems would make a deal with Reagan if he would sign something they wanted, but then when they got what they wanted they renigged on their end of the deal. Their dishonest history is what motivated the Rep lawmaker in Calif to demand the Dems sign their promise before he'd make a deal with them. Also, regarding "trickle down economics.) I think it originated with JF Kennedy. http://www.mcguiresplace.net/Stories-Random%20Thoughts-Looking%20Back%20to%20The%20Future

[Todd Juvinall]

What the left never understands is there is no "purity" in politics. Many time deals are made that makes no one happy. Reagan was no different. But the reason the left is mad at him is that he defeated their masters of communism. They then could not become the "commissars" over us. So, they are forever denigrating.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: George Rebane | 25 July 2015 at 11:33 AM

Well of course George your generalizations are valid and mine are not :)

Posted by: Bonnie McGuire | 25 July 2015 at 12:25 PM

One thing I noticed Bonnie is that the propensity to renege on 'deals' is not a partisan trait....evidenced by the recent propensity of the Republican Congressional leadership to go to the American people and state they are against shutting the government down, then doing it anyway :)

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 25 July 2015 at 12:35 PM

Seriously Todd, I think the point I was making was that there is no purity in politics....its is rubes like you that on one day state "I support the 11th commandment" then on the next day break it.

Re: the whole 'communism' 'commissars' nonsense, the thing that makes me laugh every day is that you guys still think like its 1964.... it's like you went into the bunker to watch the Goldwater convention acceptance speech one day and came out the next day and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence were camping and smoking pot on you front lawn :)