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26 September 2015

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Russ

I highly recommend Mark Steyn's "A Disgrace to the Profession"

Amazon description:

The "hockey stick" graph of global temperatures is the single most influential icon in the global-warming debate, promoted by the UN's transnational climate bureaucracy, featured in Al Gore's Oscar-winning movie, used by governments around the world to sell the Kyoto Accord to their citizens, and shown to impressionable schoolchildren from kindergarten to graduation.

And yet what it purports to "prove" is disputed and denied by many of the world's most eminent scientists. In this riveting book, Mark Steyn has compiled the thoughts of the world's scientists, in their own words, on hockey-stick creator Michael E Mann, his stick and their damage to science. From Canada to Finland, Scotland to China, Belgium to New Zealand, from venerable Nobel Laureates to energetic young researchers on all sides of the debate analyze the hockey stock and the wider climate wars it helped launch.

George Rebane

Russ 736am - good recommendation, have also ordered it. Everyone should also notice that on the cover it says, "Volume 1". People like Mann and Hansen have compiled a lot of crap, it will take more than one book to counter it all. Here's the link to Steyn's book -
http://www.amazon.com/%2522A-Disgrace-Profession%2522-Steyn-editor/dp/0986398330/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1443280266&sr=8-1&keywords=Steyn

larry wirth

Currently reading Volume I; Steyn says there will be three. A really excellent job of self defense, IMHO. L

Gregory

The claim of fraud on the part of Mann is bad form; it's bad science but fraud means it was intentional. I tend towards Feynmann..."The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."

Mann is arguably a shameless self promoter and activist, and particularly susceptible to fooling himself.

I've recently quoted Steyn's Vol. 1 but I used Judith Curry's blog entry on the subject and saved a few bucks. Her take on Mann v. Steyn is well worth reading.
http://judithcurry.com/2015/08/13/mark-steyns-new-book-on-michael-mann/

The beauty of the "in their own words" tactic is, of course, Mann didn't sue any of his peers when they were even more defamatory than some in the scientific laity claiming Mann did to the data what fellow U.Penn luminary Jerry Sandusky did to kids and every quote about Mann from his peers is exculpatory for brash right wing humorist. Overall, I think B'rer Mann is not enjoying his encounter with B'rer Steyn.

Walt

And NOAA is picking up where he left off, and with the same pencil whipping.

Edmund Howard

Walt, considering that you just don't have the quantitative knowledge to understand these issues, it's time to sit in the corner and be quiet.

Jeez, I'm glad that we do not let the decision making to people who can barely understand basic math, let alone think they have an insight in the cause and effect of carbon enrichment in our environment.

It utterly amazes me that the great preponderance of scientific knowledge in our world agree that carbon contribution is the problem that will affect the planet in the next 200 years, let we have our little scientific "group" who have the odasity to dispute these findings.....

just amazing!

George Rebane

Edmund Howard 519pm - So we're back to "the great preponderance of scientific knowledge" again, are we? There is no model of atmospheric physics that reliably and predictably computes the contribution of CO2 to the behavior of any of the earth's calculated temperatures. This is evident from the divergent plots of temperature vs CO2 content of the upper atmosphere.

The CO2 contributions to temperature used in the GCMs is modeled by regressing the feedback gains to historical data. With such a dynamic feedback gain for CO2 embedded in a GCM, one can use that methodology to fit the annual tonnage of horse manure hauled out of Hollywood Park to the earth's temperature of your choice. I can show you how a learning algorithm can readily do that.

Nevertheless, thank you for the comment.

Todd Juvinall

Look out Walt, you have another pinhead calling you names. And the guy uses a 500 year old dead Englishman's name. I wonder who the real dope is. Maybe Edmund? And it appears he does not have any pertinent knowledge about carbon.

Gregory

Edmund Howard, only half (52%) of Michael Mann's peers in the American Meteorological Society believe one half or more of the warming of the last 100 years is due to man, and that includes all man's actions including deforestation, emissions of soot (aka black carbon) and CO2. They determined this not by an anonymous web survey, or a survey of papers by an activist without any real science background (Oreskes) or by a quick scanning by a team of activist "citizen scientists" without much if any science education (John Cook et al)... they actually asked them.

Virtually all of the warmists generating "multiple lines of evidence" of that 98% are doing everything but actually asking scientists for their opinion in a confidential manner. The AMS could have asked their professional membership a specific question like "Do you believe anthropogenic global warming is a crisi?" but then they might well have had a very inconvenient truth to deal with.

fish

.....the odasity to dispute these findings.....

Nearly as audacious as that spelling error! Ouch.

Bill  Tozer

The Audacity of Dope now available at a bookseller near you.

Don Bessee

Good one, scold Walt and fail spectacularly with 'we do not let the decision making' and odasity. Ed with your vast knowledge how is it spell check cant help you? Oh lets not forget 'let we' Great way to humble those stupids. Sounds like the 'jon' on a bender with he whos name we will not utter tossed in for good measure. LOL

EBill  Tozer

Ah, Don, it's Saturday night., lest you forget. You didn't really expect a sober troll on a weekend evening, did you.??

Oh Edmund Munster has ways of keeping the unwashed masses in silence I am sure. Unfortunately for Eddie Munster. the unwashed masses are a wee bit uppity here and do not know our rightful place in his caste system.. Thank you, Mr. Holy Holy Howard for telling us hillbilly inbred Obamamanics that we have no place at your table. The Odasity of Orfice is also available at a bookseller near you.

Don, just one more thing, lest you boast too proudly. If I may point out , you too, have committed the grievous spelling error syndrome.. You penned to Mr. Ed the Talking Horse "how is it spell check cant help you?" I humbly draw your attention to the word "cant". Either you forgot the apostrophe between the N and T, or more likely, mistakenly used the letter A when the property spelling should have used the letter U when addressing our esteemed guest. No thanks necessary.

Bill  Tozer

Oops, pride cometh before a fall. I, too, have scummed to the Grievous Spelling Error Syndrome. I used "property" instead of "proper". Should have read "proper spelling." The irony is not lost on this lowly worm. I blame spell Chex.
Bailiff, wack my pee pee with a hockey stick.
Carry on gentlemen and Talking Horse. No more interruptions from me. Continue with the topic.

Bonnie McGuire

Sorry to say people like Edmund who look down their PHD nose to impress others don't realize that to many of us it means "piled higher and deeper" compared to others with keen observation and on hands experience. As an old prof. friend explained it. Too many have tunnel vision.

fish

Mainstream climate science is clearly political and useless......good to see mathematical science retains some spark!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/28/newser-famous-math-problem-solved-crowdsourcing/72973338/

Russ

The local left is having a small cow about the fact Norm was able to answer Michael Mann in less that 30 days with a full on fact-based OV in The Union.. More details here:http://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2015/10/04/fact-checking-local-left/

Todd Juvinall

Even though Heidi Hall had two lib pieces a month. Standard lefty hypocrisy.

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