Sandbox - 1dec15

[Well, 'tis the global warming season among other less intensely celebrated religious holidays.  We will observe it with an intense fervor not seen in many a year.  And AGW, I might add, has ascended to become mankind's first global religion.  This week's Economist features its cover story titled 'Clear thinking on climate change' in which the lead commentary accepts the kool-aid with the short statement "that climate change is happening, that it is very largely man-made and that it is exceedingly dangerous, are all now hard to deny".  Then it goes on to discuss the political situation in Paris, and that any real agreement will be hard to achieve.  And then, I kid you not, in its 14-page spread to induce the promised "clear thinking", it goes through a major dissertation on the models and science, admitting that essentially nothing is well known about the dynamics of earth's climate and less about making the models used to predict near term catastrophe intended to launch thousands of laws and regulations to tame earth's temperature.  Now there we have a good and clear example of liberal thought.  gjr]

Comments

[jon smith]

Religion. I see that Tater Pig is castigating the Union for celebrating Christmas and not mentioning Hanukkah. Jeff, what about Kwanza and dozens of other beliefs (and non beliefs) you fat white piece of self absorbed sh*t? Your whiney disgruntled ex-employee bitterness is wearing pretty thin. (I must have rolled off the wrong side of bed - better get my coffee going.) For the record, even as an atheist I love the Christmas season for its cheer and excuse for family gatherings.

[Todd Juvinall]

jon smith | 01 December 2015 at 05:27 AM

I totally agree. How can a person celebrate Christmas when they are an atheist? I think the FUE has lost his mind.

[Russ Steele]

According to Australian Sky News:

The world’s 48 poorest countries will need to find around $US1 trillion ($A1.39 trillion) dollars between 2020 and 2030 to achieve their plans to tackle climate change – and those plans should be a priority for international funding, researchers say.

Estimates based on plans submitted by the least-developed countries (LDCs) toward a new UN deal to curb global warming show they will cost around $US93.7 billion ($A130.22 billion) a year from 2020, when an agreement expected to be ironed out in Paris over the next two weeks is due to take effect.

That includes $US53.8 billion annually to reduce emissions and $US39.9 billion to deal with more extreme weather and rising seas, according to a report from the London-based International Institute for Environment and Development (IIED).

Congress: No money for any agreements President Obama makes in Paris. We live in interesting times.

The open question is will the poor countries sign an agreement that is not sweetened with some cash?

[Russ Steele]

The COP Ritual Explained:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/30/cop21-the-ritual-josh-edition/thecopritual/

[fish]

Posted by: Russ Steele | 01 December 2015 at 07:49 AM

The open question is will the poor countries sign an agreement that is not sweetened with some cash?

Not a chance.

What you're seeing in Paris....and the US has sent the most qualified guy in history to effect it....is President Community Activist dispensing "walking around" money on an unprecedented...dare I say Global scale!

Hey...it's the Chicago way.

[Bill Tozer]

Best quote from Obama so far, paraphrased:
The United States has proven that we can both protect the environment and have a robust economy.
Robust economy? Hmm. Protecting the environment is a heck of lot easier than fixing what 0 has done to the economy. If we do have a robust economy, it is in spite of O, not because of his policies.

[jon smith]

Todd- The Cookie Monster is in rare form taking you to task. His editorial skills (selective cut and paste, and posting "news" taken out of context) are on display this morning. No wonder he is no longer employed by a real news outlet.

An atheist can enjoy Christmas the same way a Christian can enjoy the celebration of Satanism at Halloween. What do candy canes have to do with Jesus?

[fish]

You didn't really think it was just going to be 10,000 now did you? You'd need to be Ben Emery grade naive to believe a silly notion like that.

"Not only will the president be allowed to bring in the 85,000 refugees he has announced on top of current record immigration levels, but this will include at least 10,000 refugees from Syria who will subsequently be able to bring in their foreign relatives. All refugees are eligible for lifetime government assistance and can draw funds from Social Security and Medicare at Americans' expense. More than 90 percent of recent Middle Eastern refugees are on welfare. And they are on a fast-track to becoming voting U.S. citizens," added the senator."

...and how will those new voters vote I wonder?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sessions-omnibus-gives-obama-blank-check-on-immigration-syrian-refugees/article/2577352

[Bill Tozer]

Hmm. This is getting complicated, but me thinks O might need a refresher course in Constitutional Law...hopefully not the same material he taught at Harvard.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/261588-obamas-paris-climate-treaty-spells-doom-for-tpp

[Bill Tozer]

Hi.
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[Gregory]

Which would be the greater good for the country... GOP leaders slapping Trump silly as Nevada City Fats is calling for, or Democrats calling Hillary on her out-and-out lies when uncovered, like her two faces on Benghazi recently documented in Congressional hearings?

Right now, all GOP candidates are tied at Zero for convention delegates while Pantsuit is loaded with undemocratic Superdelegates because in the end, the DP party doesn't trust their own voters.

[Bill Tozer]

Move over Delta Smelt, there is a new kid on the block, the threespine stickleback.
Seems to me that this ruling could stop all development in CA. If anything emits greenhouse gases, then it is not to be tolerated.
I have been on the Newhall Ranch a few times. Took a group of Japanese out there when they were filming a mini-series for the JBC (like our ABC). No telephone poles, open land. The Japanese filmed there cause the series was about a Japanese young man who came to America around the 1860s as an indentured servant, got mistaken as being an escaped Chinaman, etc, fled for his life, and went back to Japan and became a big wig tycoon. Mash was filmed out there on adjacent mega parcels. UC has earthquake monitors there as well.
If you can't build there without creating greenhouse gases, you can't build anywhere.

Favorite quote by Judge on Ca Supreme Court, paraphrased: "greenhouse gases cause climate change." End of story.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-newhall-ranch-20151130-story.html

[Walt]

Damn Gregory,, your on a role early. N.C. Fats? Nice one(someone get him a back up beeper for Christmas. I have an extra "wide load" sign for the occasion).... And even some porn at the "DP" Progs expense. (hemp oil lube?) I hear Hillary made Bill get an HIV test. Was Bill "hang'n" with Charlie Sheen?

[fish]

Not that it was a bad idea but you have to admire the chutzpa of the progressive luminary.....a man known for never letting a crisis go to waste.....for waiting until after his election to release the tape of the shooting and then throwing a subordinate to the wolves so he can remain in charge for another few years!

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/12/01/reports-garry-mccarthy-out-as-chicago-police-superintendent/

Again.....it's the Chicago way!

[fish]

.......yawn.......!

What? I'm sorry....dozed off for a while after reading another one of Steves eye glazingly long secular fire and brimstone sessions at jeffys.

Remember....never use a single word when 25 or 30 will suffice!

[fish]

Can you say FRAUD......? I knew you could.

http://notrickszone.com/2015/11/20/german-professor-examines-nasa-giss-temperature-datasets-finds-they-have-been-massively-altered/#sthash.ibiNW4TW.yQQxiZcG.dpbs

[Bill Tozer]

Fish, that guy just lost his job. Rumor has it he received money from BP and is a child molester and cut off his dog's ears last year, before he repeatedly stabbed a squealing opossum with a hideous crazed sneer on his white devil face.

No matter 31,000 scientists (9,000 of which are Phds) have signed the paper that says the climate is circular. Nothing new under the sun. Oh, that big orange ball in the sky calls the shots.
Helpful Hint #152: Stock up on warm socks when you see them on sale.

[fish]

jeffpelline on December 1, 2015 at 9:01 am

Douglas,

Baloney! It is a cowardly act, pure and simple. If you can’t stand behind your words, maybe you don’t deserve to have a voice.

Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir jeffy, Sir jeffy.........

(apologies to the brave, brave lads of Monty Python)

jeez jeffy.....for a guy who has as many known internet sock puppets and alter egos as you..... one would think this an area in which you would be a bit more circumspect.

I guess not.....after all you are the jeffy.

[Paul Emery]

George

The Generals are piling on about what a mistake the war in Iraq was. Here's the latest.
As a pre -response to the predictable "we've already circled on this one" I respond in advance that the Neo-Cons that led to our invasion of Iraq are currently circling around looking for a new nest in the Pubbers Presidential coop. They are mostly settling on Rubio since Bush the Third has stalled and is back-sliding into Perryland.

"Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency who came up through intelligence positions in Iraq and Afghanistan, says that the George W. Bush administration's Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.

"It was a huge error," Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.

"As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him," Flynn went on to say. "The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision."

When told by Der Spiegel reporters Matthias Gebauer and Holger Stark that the Islamic State would not "be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad," Flynn, without reservations, said: "Yes, absolutely."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/former-us-intelligence-chief-discusses-development-of-is-a-1065131.html

[George Rebane]

PaulE 124pm - Hard to disagree with the general, especially about ISIS being in Iraq today. But let's not carry the general's remarks past their explicit expression. No inference may be drawn from those words that, had we not blundered in Iraq, radical Islam would have withdrawn from its centuries old objectives and plan for defeating the west and establishing its caliphate. History records a long list of Islam attacking the west, including 9/11, well before Baghdad fell.

[Walt]

Paul. If we had left our troops there to keep things stable,(and they were) instead of pulling them all out (like you wished for, and "O" granted it) the likes of ISIS would not have happened.(most likely)
Leaving troops in place like we did in Europe and Japan shows the plan works.

Maybe you would have been more happy to see ALL of Europe in the hands of the U.S.S.R.
That would include your Grandma's homeland. If that was the case, what makes you think you would be a U.S. citizen today, and not working in some labor camp?

[Paul Emery]

George

George

My concern is that the same ilk that led to our disastrous policy in Iraq are looking for a new crib and that they may slip in the back door that seems to be left open for them.

You have a tendency to make grand declarations about the nature of things such as the "so it shall be written" screed of Islam that does not pass even casual examination except to those who have a ore-disposition to wish to believe that way. I am more inclined to examine the situations that lead to things being as they are and that leads me to take into account the conditions behind the current situation. To the extent that the foreign policy of the West has fattened itself through exploitative capitalism and colonialism has certainly enhanced any radical elements in that region. The fact is that Islam is fighting Islam and that they are not on the common path that you believe. History is filled with a long history of everybody attacking everybody and the Christian West certainly is not immune to that tendency.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 315pm - Yes, guilty as charged. I am a prisoner of my ongoing education which continues to teach me to find the 'grand nature of things' as the synoptic trends upon which the anecdotal everyday is played out. In my years I have found such teaching to have the additional comfort of delivering on its promises as far as understanding what has happened, and also providing a good idea about the sequel. And I submit that all you cite are also best viewed and interpreted through such a prism. As a contemporary source for my iniquities and errors, please see Kissinger's 'World Order'.

[Walt]

If I didn't know better, I would think Paul, was turning Commie. Get a grip Paul, Capitalism is what's allowing you to speak your mind freely, and do as you pretty much wish to. Despite our "nation of laws", which now has SO many laws, it's a wonder we can do anything without breaking one. If you think it's SOOOOO bad here, you are free to leave.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

Exploitative Capitalism and Colonialism. Do you have a hunch what I'm talking about?

[Paul Emery]

George

Other than the graphically cruel and well documented atrocity that is currently occurring in the middle east and it's occasional exportation what is particularly unique to the behavior of certain Muslims in the region? We don't have to look far to witness such behavior from American supported dictators and monsters such as the Shah of Iran and even Saddam Husein when he was our guy slaughtering thousands funded by American taxpayers. The history of French cruelty in Algeria comes to mind with a million Algerian casualties in their war of independence. It seems radical Islam does not own the franchise on brutality and slaughter.

[Walt]

Yes,, and I believe it involves an overindulgence of a regulated substance on your part Paul. As usual you are turning a blind eye to my questions, and statements of fact.
"WE" are "exploiting" no one. Deal with it. And just where in Hell are "we" trying to "colonize"? Mars?
So people need to work for a living. Welcome to the real world. Someone who signs paychecks is not "exploiting " said worker. Getting a handout, taken from someone who does work ( welfare or grants) is called a LEACH. If one is incapable by disability or old age is an exception to that rule.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yeah Paul Emery, that darn west, just a bunch of medieval idiots. I suggest you travel over to Syria and walk th streets apologizing for your behavior. You are an American right? So, you have one 300 millionth of the blame. So get going. I will even give you my proxy so you can apologize for me too.

Syria is a self made mess. Why is it incumbent on the west to take these people in when they are strictly self destructing? Assad is a Alawite, a small minority in his country who like Saddam used extreme cruelty to govern his people. We could have helped those rebels but Obama was a chicken shit and did not back up his verbal bluster. The world is full of unhappy people who want a different government. Some vote, some shoot, to nake it happen. I am opposed to bringing in jihadi's and that is it. Create save zones like the college wimps are doing now.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

History has a long memory. Colonialism and exploitation from the west are part of the cultural memory of people in that region.

That's right Todd. You consider the Shah of Iran to be a pretty swell guy.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 351pm - "It seems radical Islam does not own the franchise on brutality and slaughter." I don't recall, was it you or I who claimed such franchise??

But undoubtedly there was a hidden point - maybe about how the west should respond to Islam's attacks - in your dissertation.

PS. Perhaps a review of "our guy" Saddam is also in order. That we provided him some support against Iran while he was overwhelmingly the client of the USSR hardly qualifies him as "our guy", unless of course, your narrative absolutely requires it.

[George Rebane]

For the interested reader short on history: nations and kingdoms have backed other nations, kingdoms, tribes, etc to serve their interests since time immemorial. The Left in these pages would have you believe that this type of 'foreign policy' was invented by the United States even before it became a world power.

Nations and peoples do what they have always done, and that is to serve their own interests. The allocation of justice among such behaviors is an amoral undertaking best attempted from Stephen Decatur's "In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong."

[Paul Emery]

so historically what is so unique about what you consider the Islamic curse on the West?

[Paul Emery]

George

My lack of time to respond in more detail requires that I use a cop out cut and paste from Wikki to respond to your request for a "review" of our support of Saddam. From my knowledge this summary is accurate.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

[Paul Emery]

One more thing. The debate that we are having now illustrates that we can express strong disagreements on presented topics without resorting to personal attacks. thanks for the discussion George.

[Walt]

Paul,, you have turned into a "nutcase". Somehow EVERY evil in the world is now "our fault". GOOD GOD man! the world is not fair, never has been, never will. It's time to join reality. All the Unicorns have been sent to the slaughterhouse. Good luck returning to the hunter/gather (got a permit?) way of life. There are not enough caves for all of us.(unless you drain the mines under Grass Valley)
Now blame it all on the finder of oil. It's HIS fault. EXCUSE US who like to see things when the Sun goes down. Candle light is SO 19th century. If we were still in the horse and buggy days, you would bitch that we are mean to horses.

A while back you claimed to own property. You live in it or rent it out? If your renting it out your "exploiting" your renter.(funny how that might come back to bite.)

[Paul Emery]

No Walt

What I was saying is that cruel self serving immoral behavior is not unique to Islamic cultures. Your "argument" (or wjatever it is ) is silly and desperate.

[Bill Tozer]

Self serving immoral behavior is the human condition as old as mankind itself. Welcome, finally, to the real world, Paul. Yeah, and Madonna discovered sex.
Quite an eye opener when the veil is lifted.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery is pulling your chain. He is not serious here.

[Bill Tozer]

Remember, you cannot spell unethical without the UN.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/758531464280893/?type=3&theater

[Paul Emery]

I agree Walt. So what is unique about Islamic brutality?

[Jon]

"The debate that we are having now illustrates that we can express strong disagreements on presented topics without resorting to personal attacks". Paul Emery

"Paul, you have turned into a "nutcase"." Walt

Good job Walt. The voice of an illiterate asshole just cannot be contained.

[Jon]

"Remember, you cannot spell unethical without the UN." Tozer

Um, I think Walt may take exception to that...

[Todd Juvinall]

The troll has retirned. Welcome MichaelA errrrf, Woody Held.

[Jon]

speaking of illiterate assholes...

[fish]

Posted by: Jon | 01 December 2015 at 07:18 PM

What a terrible thing to say about dear Woody.

[Jon]

very sad if Woody took that comment personally.

[Walt]

Well there went the neighborhood. "jonnie" TROLL is back.
Paul.. "So what is unique about Islamic brutality?" Really? They are piling up heads on melon trucks. They toss gays from rooftops. Women are not much better than cattle.
Don't diss the family. An elder can have you killed on the spot.
Hear the news out of MO. ?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/muslim-mizzou-professor-charged-assaulting-teen-girl-school-without-hijab/

The list of atrocities goes on and on. And you care to defend this?
Save the BS of days gone by. They are GONE. Deal with the here and now.
I gave you the chance to answer the "what ifs",, and you passed on them like a bad smell.
Your Granny could just as easily been in Russian rule "if" we had done then what was done in Iraq.

[Bill Tozer]

Blame America First, then blame Bush.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

They are still finding piles of bodies in Chile rounded up and slaughtered and shoved in holes by Pinochet and he was our puppet. And there's of course Hitler and the Mexican cartels and Stalin and the French in Algeria, look at the genocide in Cambodia and they were Buddhists. I can go on and on. the point is that cruelty and mass murder are not uniquely Islamic. And of course we have Manifest Destiny and the genocide of American natives by the British, French and Spanish

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you need to enter a convent and pray for your sins. You fellow countrymen slaughtered 20,000 Persians at the Hot Gates in 480 BC. You are complicit under your rules of blame. Go flagellate yourself.

[Walt]

Welcome to the human race Paul. Did you get your dog or cat's signed authorization to get spayed and/or neutered?
Mankind will never live "according to Paul". Deal with it.

Your starting to tread on the vary ground those University coddled brats are complaining about. " Things are NOT the way I think they SHOULD be!"

So who are you going to sue to make it the way you demand it be?

[Walt]

Yes, Paul, Todd has a point. Your guilty by birth. Get started on those reparations.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul has a good point. Islamic brutality is the same as the godless Khmer Rouge, the blood thirsty Vlad the Impaler, Idi Amin...opps, Idi was Muslin, godless Stalin, godless Mao, and the man who killed more Islams than any other man in history, the late great secularist and headless Saddam Hussein Obama...er...Saddam Hussein. Space constrains me from listing all the minor dictators. I do find moral equilivency amazing here. And yes, we have pediphiles and child porn web surfers here in the ole USA that are not Islamics, so that make one able to say, "hey, why pick on me? He did it first!"
Nothing new concerning the drama of being in lib daycare.

[Jon]

Paul's truthful observation on human atrocities in modern history hit a nerve, it appears.

Lets not elaborate on Manifest Destiny...best to ignore and bury that American history.

[Paul Emery]

As horrible as the Islamic terrorists are can you tell me what is unique about them?

[Bill Tozer]

No, Jon, let's not bury anything. As Walt said, we are dealing with the here and now.
Go ahead and rehash history than not one us has the power to do anything about until the cows come home. Paul loves the history of Bad America, Bad. Down, dog, down boy.
Here and now. What a concept. I said it a hundred times and will say it again. The first man born on Earth murderered his brother. We have not "evolved" much, despite promises century after century that under Progressive Policies and Control, the lion will lay down with the lamb. All we need is mutual respect, listening, and dialogue.
The policy of appeasement has historically failed.

[Todd Juvinall]

Manifest Destiny was a righteous endeavor. Most wars are fought over property. We had a better army in 1846 and kicked Mexico's ass. They ceded the land (we paid for it though) and there we are. You think the Maya, Navaho, Chirequawa, Apache or Aztecs did not conquer and murder for land? Then you are the fool we all know. America has its warts as all nations do. I however think we have done our best as a people to make things as right as possible. For instance, we gave back the Philippines after gaining them by kicking Spain's ass. What is so common with you slugs on the left is your readiness to diss America and never give a thought to its inherent goodness among the nations. Pathetic little minded pricks you are.

[Russ Steele]

After all that diplomacy, there is not even a signed agreement: The Daily Mail which reports that,

The Obama administration has disclosed to Congress that this summer's controversial nuclear arms agreement with Iran was never signed and is not legally binding, according to a new report this week.

The State Department made the disclosures in a letter to Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo, a Republican, who had written the department to inquire why the agreement as submitted to Congress in July did not bear the signature of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

'The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is not a treaty or an executive agreement, and is not a signed document,' Julia Frifield, an assistant secretary for legislative affairs wrote Pompeo last Thursday.

Now we know why Obama had to move on to climate change for a legacy, the Iran deal was bogus, and the Climate Change Agreement will be also. Too bad for Obama. His only legacy will be failed programs and bogus agreements.

[Walt]

Go ask them Paul. See if you leave with your head attached.
We can't even execute the convicted scum of the earth here in the U.S.
But "they" can lop off your melon in the street just for being an old white guy with a religion they never heard of, and they throw a party.
They teach their 10 year olds how to cut off heads.(do we?)
Do you drag the Mrs. by the hair down the street?(they can, and do)
Did you kill your kids because they dishonored you? (they do that all the time. their religion says they can)

Seems pretty "unique" to me.. Does that sound like a civilized society to you?
Where else in the Western world is that condoned and allowed? (Mexican drug cartels don't count)

[Bill Tozer]

Well, the true test is if we are willing to adjust ourselves to the way things are, or spin our wheels trying to make the world conform to us. Walk down the street and try to make everyone love you and behave the way you demand they behave. Go ahead and play God all day long trying to keep people in their place obediently following your lead. Guarantee to live in constant tension, turmoil, and frustration. I never liked the arcade game Wac-a-Mole myself, but to each his own. Just don't tread on me, control freaks.

[Paul Emery]

I am not comparing Islamic terrorists to us specifically Walt but more to the scope of human suffering caused by murderous groups,nations whatever you call them who feel entitled under whatever God they fashion to exert his will on the innocent and weak. For some materialism is God, for other its power there is always a reason.

[Walt]

OK Paul,, social experiment time Let's see just how much of a pacifist you really are.
If I throw bags of dogshit I just cleaned off my own yard, over the fence into yours, (nope,, no returns) how long would it take for you to get pissed and "do something about it". I doubt vary much I would hear "Thank You,, can I have some more?"

[Walt]

I say this to all that hate humanity.. If it's SOOOOOO bad..,,, why don't you remove yourself from the equation?

If you have a grand solution to the worlds issues, spill it. Otherwise find that renta' buddy I advised you to find the other day. Mankind isn't going to change to make you happy.
There will always be someone who wants to do harm to another for any given reason. Someone will always want to be overlord to others, and will do so by any means necessary.
Again... DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

[Bill Tozer]

Oh Walt, some of us are not a spiritually developed as the Emery Twins. At least Ben has the answers, starting with "if only we could...." Fill in the blanks. Or, much more dangerous is "we should, we must do this or that...."

Hey, my sweet and precious Swiss White Shepard Artic-Yukon mix pup is not very spiritually developed either. She walked in the house the other day with a poor innocent birdie in her mouth. Beautiful feathers I might add. She needs to evolve to be not so doglike in her behavior, thoughts, and speech. She just sees things differently than the Enlighted Ones do.

[Walt]

Sounds like a great pooch. Now here,, bigger doesn't mean tougher. I have this cat that both German shepherds have PLENTY of respect for. At feeding time, the cat is between the two. They know better than to mess with the duchess of the joint. She rules with an razor sharp claw. All it took was a good swipe to the nose a few times. Problem solved. ( President Reagan style)
Just like the way the world works. Be smarter, faster, and "take care of business" better than the next guy.(or nation) The "law of the jungle" if you will.
The likes of Paul can't get that through their Berkeley heads.

[Paul Emery]

Never said I was a Pacifist Walt. Where did you get that idea? I eat meat as well.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, have you put a surveillance devise in my humble abode? My lone runt of the litter cat rules, while doggie drools. Yep, a quick swipe across the mutt's snout certainly calmed things down after the meet and greet. Oh, sure, an occasional flash of fangs by Mr. Feline is all it takes to put the big doggie in her place!
At first I called the jet black semi-fetal cat "Blackie" and the dog "Whitety", but after yelling out "Blackie" several times to call him in, I saw how that was so UN-PC, yelling out Blackie and Whitety across the purple hills of majesty.
So, I evolved and now the domestic fuzz balls have proper names. I named the cat Simba and the girls named the dog Numi. That is my contribution to making the world a nicer, kinder, gentler, and MORE comfortable place to dwell.
Ok, back to Bad America and Bad Human Race. If only humanity wasn't so....so...so human..

[Walt]

Oh lets see.... Anti war, anti self protection, anti anger, anti etc.etc. ect.

On that note, the French surrender again. This should lift a few anti religious spirits here.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/paris-police-tell-chabad-not-to-light-hanukkah-candles-in-public-spaces/
"Cancel your holiday. We don't want you to piss off a Muslim."

[Bill Tozer]

Oh Walt, again. Jews are not really human, duh. They are animals and cannibals as well, didn't you hear? They teach in all Islamic only schools to be careful because the Jews eat Muslim children. Be afraid, be very afraid, and be alert or they will eat you.
Oh, little Muslims say the darnest things. How absolutely adorable.
Opps, did I need a Trigger Warning for that?. Me so bad, me so beneath the Enlightened Ones. I will try harder, Masta, I am sorry, Masta.

[George Rebane]

For the interested reader - as seen from above, some of our liberal readers strongly excuse the current Islamic atrocities and assault on the west on the basis of certain cited iniquities which were performed by the alleged proxies of the west. In fact in their lexicon it hard to find a terrible tyrant during the recent two centuries whose deeds were not the direct fault of the west. So what is their answer to today's radical Islam? Well, they don't have one, but they criticize every response by the west to defend itself against today's existential threats. If anything, their answer is for us to bend over and take it since we have been so bad in the past. Stephen Decatur's classic exhortation (see my 431pm) just exercises their crickets.

Needless to say RR does not belong to that cohort of self-flaggelators.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, if all these atrocities are funded by the US taxpayer, then the solution is simple. Stop collecting taxes and the problem disappears.

[Bill Tozer]

It's all our fault!

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/poll-third-syrian-refugees-are-isis-sympathizers

[fish]

Here's a thought.....when there is an insufficient number of racists.....fake some more!

"Park said an investigation by the Union County Prosecutor's Office's Special Prosecutions Unit and Kean University police found that McKelvey, a self-proclaimed activist, participated in a student rally to raise awareness of racism on college campuses on Nov. 17, but left midway through and walked to a computer station in a university library.

Once there, McKelvey allegedly created an anonymous Twitter account – @keanuagainstblk – and began posting threats of violence against black Kean students."

http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2015/12/arrest_made_in_kean_twitter_threat.html

At least she confined her hoax to electronic form and fought the temptation to artfully draw a poop swastika.....or poopstika as some wags described it...on a bathroom wall!

[fish]

Now I don't think he's going to win. I don't even think he really wants the nomination (any ego massage aside). But it is fabulous to see the mainstream beltway press reveal themselves as hyperventilating feces hurling howler monkeys at the notion of someone other than an establishment political taking the reins!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/12/01/the-insiders-what-would-a-trump-presidency-look-like/

The next couple of years are going to be positively magical!

[fish]

Crap!

.....someone other than an establishment political hack taking the reins!

[Bill Tozer]

Fish. And she is not even a student. Hey, don't we have a couple of self-proclaimed activists here who draw attention to straw men that need to be slain as well? Ok, she is a former student. One can only surmise that she was practicing the fine education she received at Kean U.
That Kid from Chicago U that posted killing 16 white devils got caught, sited, and returned to class the next day. Nothing to see here. Hmmm. He must be one of the priviledged good thinkers, thus the ends justifies the means.

[fish]

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 02 December 2015 at 07:10 AM

I hadn't heard that he got off that lightly! Not terribly surprised. We do love our special little snowflakes and hate to see them unhappy!

[Paul Emery]

Wow

Bernie beats them all. Look out, Progressive populism is on the move. It will be an unstoppable beast once it gets rolling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sanders-beats-republican-candidates-poll_565ee12ce4b079b2818c95fc

[Bill Tozer]

Yes, we can live with others with different points of view. Yes we can!, Yes we can!

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/758176720983034/?type=3&theater

[Paul Emery]

That's from a Quinnipiac poll that shows Obama down by 12 in approval ratings which shows it's not a Dem leaning poll.

http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm

Also polls show overwealming support for a global warming treaty.

http://www.pollingreport.com/

[Bill Tozer]

Trigger Warning!! Be Afraid!!!

Vladie is not favorite person my any stretch, but you have to admire his style. Is this what a real leader does? Like him or hate him, he knows how to stick it to the Bad Guys. Worth reading both semi-short links in their entirety, IMHO.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/01/frances-top-weatherman-hired-by-kremlin-after-being-fired-for-questioning-global-warming/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/01/state-department-troubled-by-moscows-move-against-soros-groups.html

[Jon]

In other real world news...big, big problems for the fossil fuel industry. Oh my. Invest in renewables or perish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/end-of-fossil-fuels_564f7457e4b0258edb316faf

[Todd Juvinall]

O know your heart is beating faster with joy on your poll Paul Emery. Here is a set of polls that go back and forth in just a few days. It is all in the demographics.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

Here is one showing our guys kicking your guys asses.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/11/20/fox-news-poll-2016-matchups-syrian-refugees/

I suggest before you pop your cork you read the underlying demographics (of course you won't) and look to see the split in party, registration, and percentages.

Then go hide and cry.

[Bill Tozer]

Good morning jon. I sure missed your insights.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/758879190912787/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/757888494345190/?type=3&theater

Please, post some more, pleazzzzzze.

[Walt]

OH did they try are tar and feather "the Don" wen he commented on the "swarms of Muslims" celebrating the 9/11 attack. LIB news tried to say "Nope,,, didn't happen! We gotcha!!"
Opppssss,,,
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/02/trump-100-vindicated-cbs-reports-swarms-on-roofs-celebrating-911/

Trump is too smart than to try and fabricate BS. He leaves that for LIBS and politicians in general to get tripped up in.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yeah that "jon" is a real prize. LOL!

[Bill Tozer]

BTW, haven't we seen enough of these national polls lately? I no longer read them unless it is a big eye opener. Like, 4 up, 4 points down really matters in early Dec, 2015, IMHO. Same ole same ole.
However, polling is changing. Live interviews polls have different results than on-line polling, which is much cheaper and becoming more popular. Guess those who answer the phones are more likely to guard their words than on-line posters. The Internet has changed the way we communicate.
The only polling that did not surprise me in the least was that one that says Republicans (the law and order party) take it as a given that Hillary committed felonies by using her private server as Secretary of State. The Democrats (the party of The Higher Good) say it's not big deal, the means justify the ends, or is it the ends justify the means? Help me out here, Mr. Kesti.

[Bill Tozer]

Oh jon, hope nobody offended you. This is your safe zone. And yes, The Bern is the only one who speaks for the people besides Trump. The rest speak to the people from lofty perches.
I feel the Bern.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207152537865240&set=p.10207152537865240&type=3&theater

[Walt]

Well well.... The green scam continues.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/02/u-s-taxpayers-hold-over-2-3-billion-in-this-failing-green-energy-company/

"Abengoa, one of Spain’s green energy companies, is on the verge of bankruptcy. Its single largest creditor: U.S. taxpayers."
"Obama once hailed Abengoa’s Solana solar energy project as an engine for economic growth and clean energy. The president said in 2010 “this plant will be the first large-scale solar plant in the U.S. to actually store the energy it generates for later use” and “it will generate enough clean, renewable energy to power 70,000 homes.”

"Abengoa also got a $132 million DOE loan guarantee in 2011, along with a $97 million grant, to build an ethanol plant near Hugoton, Kansas. The plant is supposed to produce 25 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol per year, but while Abengoa claims to have produced significant volumes of cellulosic ethanol” they have not sold any of their biofuels."
BTW.. The ECO gang has said that ethanol is not "clean". but MORE harmful to the environment.

[Bill Tozer]

Yep, ethanol is not green because it is not Eco-nut friendly. Someday we will all drive electric cars, fossil fuels will be a thing of the past, and hospitals and county clerks will not state male or female on the birth certificate until the child decides. In the meantime, we have natural gas to bridge the gap until we all are Mean Green Non Polluting Machines.
It's all for our children. My children, your children, our children.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1565637020344823&set=p.1565637020344823&type=3&pnref=story

[jon smith]

Waly- The article says CELLULOSIC ethanol, not standard corn based ETOH (which consumes more energy than it delivers, along with some other bad by products such as gumming up my chain saws). CELLULOSIC should be embraced because it can be produced from forest thinning trash (cellulose debris). If the technology can be realized on a profitable level, logging and forest thinning for fire safety and forest health this stalemate we are currently in between loggers, USFS thinning demands and eco shriekers can be broken.

[George Rebane]

Gentlemen, be nice. I don't know who 'Jon' is, but I do know he is a passionate and articulate leftwinger who ably contributes the collectivist worldview to these comment streams. Bear in mind who our audience is - the undecideds and self-proclaimed middle roaders. Both are smart enough to distinguish between the successful pro/con argument for an idea vs playground name callings of the messenger. None should be frustrated in these comment streams when they fail to convert their opposites, for that is not our aim - hell will first freeze over.

[fish]

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 07:48 AM

In other real world news...big, big problems for the fossil fuel industry. Oh my. Invest in renewables or perish.

Hey it's the Christmas season....no harm in asking Santa for a pony.

[Bill Tozer]

Dr. Rebane,
I like jon and he is passoniate. In fact, he started sucking the bottom of bottle earlier than usual last evening. Way too early and calling somebody an a-hole and another ignorant. Maybe he is going through a rough time right now and we should keep jon in our thoughts and prayers. Understanding and empathy is called for in his hour of need.
This time of year is hard for some and find it difficult to get into the cheer of the season. I take the Good Doctor's words to heart. I, for one, welcome jon with open arms, as well as my new favorite poster, jon smith. Much diversity of thought here.
Funny, our university campus are ape shit obsessed with diversity, yet they are intolerate of diversity of thought. Go figure. Judging a book by its cover, if you will.
Here, we have diversity of thought.
Get well soon, jon. We need you, we want you, we love you! This too shall pass.

[fish]

Oh Rahm.....I warned you......taking a detour through the cesspit of Chicago city politics would be your undoing!

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/125098/fish-rots-from-head-chicago

Why couldn't you have just stayed in congress.....it's nearly as corrupt (which I guess you're into) but it's so much harder to get in trouble there.

(shakes head sadly)

[Michael R. Kesti]

Paul Emery 02Dec15 07:33 AM
Paul Emery 02Dec15 07:41 AM

Honestly, Paul, you remind me of the FUE. You claim political independence and he claims middle-of-the-road purpleness but you both post stories favorable to the left while ignoring anything that casts good light on the right.

[Don Bessee]

Sulfur? Hmmm, the 'jons' must be about. ;-)

[fish]

Oh my....KKKrazy Doug is off his meds again!

Douglas Keachie on December 2, 2015 at 10:01 am

I think we have a more immediate problem, Houston. With the exception of Huckabee, the other Republican candidates have given tacit approval to gunmen shooting up abortion clinics, and by extension, any other institutions or local protesters who are leftwards of center. Turning Dear into some sort of a folk hero is just a real bad event, and may well encourage copycats. very nutcase who can scrape together $1500 for an AR-15 (not fully automatic, but weekend shooters can empty a 10 round magazine in under 7 seconds, and each round packs far more of a wallop than the near .22 diameter would suggest.)

Beretta has a nice new AR-15 like weapon with the following features, which will make it very easy to take one broken down almost anwhere:

“Telescopic folding stock allows the user to adapt the rifle for a variety of scenarios. All controls are completely ambidextrous. Can be completely disassembled with no tools. Folding front and rear back-up sights and full-length Picatinny rail. 1:7” rate of twist.”

Gee Doug....I'm not sure that jeffys is the best venue to hint at what you want for Christmas in new firearm.

[Paul Emery]

George

there is nothing the Radical elements of Islam would like better than to goad us int perceiving our enemy is all of Islam. that's why the champagne flowed after we invaded Iraq. We need a policy based on real facts not emotional lurching. I suggest reading this article in Politico. Seems like this is a good look at the situation on the ground and some reasonable conclusions for strategic action.

"The answer depends at least in part on what kind of an enemy we think ISIL really is. Is it a tremendously well-resourced terrorist group that controls substantial territory, which it uses to plan attacks, vet operatives and manage a complex financial network? Or is it a fledgling nation-state that sponsors terrorist attacks? If we view ISIL as the former, then containment seems like an odd strategy, since even if contained it could continue to support terrorist attacks. But if we view it as a state, then it looks very different: a desperately poor nation trying to fight a three-front war—Iraq to the East, the Kurds to the North and Syria and other insurgents to the West.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/why-isil-will-fail-on-its-own-213401#ixzz3tC3hnxmQ