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01 December 2015

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Walt

Good day Mr. Smith. ( the better of the two jons) I missed the part about that diff.(wood alcohol) But they still have yet to sell any.
Corn based ethanol was a bad idea from the start. Who thought burning food was a great idea?
As for the wood slash you mention, that's COGEN fuel. That we have plenty of here.
See the story in our local LIB rag? The COGEN plant plan is getting off the ground.
TWO EVEN!


As for Fish's 10:28,,, Dougy is SO behind the info curve. th AR, no matter who makes it, has the same features.
I prefer the 1:9 twist for better accuracy, and chambered in .308 That REALLY packs a "wallop".
Note to Dougy... You can get an AR in just about ANY calibour. The 50 Beowulf should really make you crap your depends.

fish

The "State of Jefferson"......it's not just for California anymore!


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/02/texas-secession-effort-surfaces/

Walt

Some GREAT AGW fantasy to start the new page.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/02/obama-claims-fish-swim-in-miami-streets-because-of-climate-change-theres-only-one-problem-video/
And the poles will be ice free by next weekend.

George Rebane

PaulE 1133am - Good piece Paul. The authors recommend that we apply the Reagan response to communism - contain it and let it collapse of its own weaknesses. Add to that the Rebane Doctrine of topical constrained strikes against their infrastructure and cash generating capacity, then we just may have a working solution to bring down ISIS. Will it also bring down the other jihadist organizations starting with Al Qaeda? The answer to that is no, their support structures are more distributed across global Islam.

What in my mind would best mitigate the subdued hostility that the west has toward anything Islamic today is the launch of regular counter demonstrations by the claimed moderate Muslim communities.

Today the polls describe the anti-western sentiment in these communities. Visible, strong/strident, and continuous demonstrations by such Muslims in response to EVERY jihadist strike would do much to support the narrative that Islam is not an anti-western civilization (now only promoted by the Left).

Jon

Walt, what's your take on the Islamic terrorists today in San Bernadino? The deathtoll from Muslim attacks in the US since 2001 continues to mount. Breitbart reports a video exists of a black vehicle exiting a nearby Syrian Refugee camp this morning.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 02:28 PM

Going to be interesting if the individual in question actually does turn out to be Farook Syed as rumored on teh intertoobz.

Walt

Really "jon"? There is no evidence that "they" were Muslim. I try not to jump to conclusions. It was a party of county employees that got shot up. Disgruntled union workers who got the axe maybe? Some dudes who didn't get an invite?
And in a state with such stringent anti gun laws, and background checks.

Paul Emery

Way to early for speculation on today's tragic events. Those who would have any viewpoints as to the motives or identity of the perpetrators would have to be part of a shrill minority.

Walt

But this is how the LIBS are reacting to the incident. And yes,, just as one would expect
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/02/with-suspects-still-at-large-democrats-rush-to-politicize-san-bernardino-shooting/
And just wait for "O" to threaten "executive action". (if he hasn't already)

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 02 December 2015 at 03:03 PM

Way to early for speculation on today's tragic events. Those who would have any viewpoints as to the motives or identity of the perpetrators would have to be part of a shrill minority.

Indeed..... your shrill fellow left leaner was out of the box like a shot!

Walt

Well,, from the live video I can confirm one "terrorist" is dead. The black SUV It's shot to hell. Let the ECO bunch rejoice.

Paul Emery

Yeah, I don't know whether he was trying to be sarcastic or what but I went to the Breitbart site and could find nothing like that. there was some typical slime stuff but not what Jon reported.

Jon

Come on Paul, its clear that this mass shooting is the work of Muslim extremists. Its obviously the only domestic terrorist group the GOP candidates were worried about the last couple of weeks, with fears of mass immigration of Syrians, and Muslims sneaking in at the Border.

Must have gotten some bad info on Breitbart. Sorry. :)

Don  Bessee

Well that's what passes as humor from the 'jon' set.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 04:08 PM

Come on Paul, its clear that this mass shooting is the work of Muslim extremists. Its obviously the only domestic terrorist group the GOP candidates were worried about the last couple of weeks, with fears of mass immigration of Syrians, and Muslims sneaking in at the Border.

Funnier still that the only groups of potential terrorists that democratic party apparatchiks care about are heterosexual white males. If the guy is a recent veteran it's oh so much more thuper duper thcary.

Ben Emery

Reading the comments here and listening to right wing radio today led me to this question:

Are there any brown human beings, non Christian of course, that don't scare you guys?

Just curious. It seems like everything scares the daylights out you.


A Little Cartoon That Pokes Fun At NRA And The KKK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgwRWzk5WeU

Jon

Ben, great questions. As was pointed out today by the Wash Post, without the irrational fear and xenophobia of this vocal segment of America- the aging, generally less educated, generally rural dwelling Americans- the GOP and its base, exhibited perfectly here, really has nothing to run on in 2016.

Ben Emery


I just saw this article.


World

Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism

Walt

Poor Ben. the KKK is 100% good ol" DEM., and dislike minorities right to own guns.
Yet the NRA was the FIRST org. to form to fight for minorities to own guns. That's when DEMS were writing the first anti gun laws.( Blacks should not be allowed to own them they said)

George Rebane

jon 427pm - Well then it's settled I guess, come Nov 2016 it will be 'Socialism über alles!' What topics of interest should we then start covering in these pages?

Don  Bessee

Now Ben, no projecting fears and putting words in mouths. Just who is the 'you' that is referred to in your 3rd line?

Jon

Ben, can you imagine how many self-identified Christians are responsible for those killings? May be time to register Christians in America.

Walt

Can the "jon" get anymore obnoxious? He's in full TROLL piss mode.

Don  Bessee

The true nature of the 'jon' and his world view are made clear in its 436pm. So Ben and crew, what say you now about the San Bernardino LE and LE in general using surplus armored cars in pursuit of this gang of murderers?

Don  Bessee

It must be late in Japan and after sake time for the 'jon'. lol

Jon

Awesome. More mass killings in American than days in the year. Must be proud of our American gun culture!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/us-mass-shootings_565f58cfe4b08e945fedd47d

Jon

I'd sure as hell include you, Walt, in a national registry.

fish

Posted by: Ben Emery | 02 December 2015 at 04:20 PM

"Are there any brown human beings, non Christian of course, that don't scare you guys?

No fucknut.....I can only speak for myself but watching you assholes put on your climbing gear to ascend the pile of bodies and put your right-thinking on display every time there is a shooting gets a little tiresome. I guess we're getting tired of getting blamed all the time.

The couple of guns that I own have killed precisely 0 people Ben.

"Just curious. It seems like everything scares the daylights out you."

So I can assume you and the fam will be moving back to "International Boulevard" in Oaktown after everything with your parents has been concluded.....or will you remain in LilyWhiteistan when everything is wrapped up?

Let me know when you're leaving so I can arrange a nice sendoff.

Don  Bessee

More mass killings in American than days in the year.' Killings in American? So what, the others were in Spanish or Greek or what languages?

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 04:51 PM


You could leave.

Jon

fish, you guys are associated with the mass murderers in this country the same way innocent Muslim citizens are associated with Islamic extremists. No difference. The demented murderers took a different path than you. So it is with Muslims in this nation. Only difference is in the numbers. As George Carlin would say- Wow, What a Ratio!...homegrown Christians who went astray versus American Muslims who went astray.

fish

Or if you want to go the more rigorous route follow these five easy steps.

Want to create a gun-free America in 5 easy steps?

Here's all there is to it:

Step 1: Elect. For a gun-free America, the first thing you'll need is two-thirds of Congress. So elect a minimum of 67 Senators and 290 Representatives who are on your side.

Step 2: Propose. Then, have them vote to propose an amendment to the Constitution which repeals Second Amendment gun rights for all Americans.

Step 3: Ratify. Then convince the legislators of 38 states to ratify that change.

At this point, the Second Amendment is history, but you've done nothing to decrease gun violence. All you've done is remove the barrier for Congress to act.

Step 4: Legislate. You need to enact "common sense" reform.

You can try to do what Australia did and...ban all guns? That's not at all what they did, but whatever, fuck it. Go big or go home, right?

It will have to be passed by Congress and signed by the president.

Great! The law is passed and guns are now illegal. The only thing left to do is...

Step 5: Enforce. Guns won't just disappear because you passed a law. You need to confiscate some 350 million guns scattered among 330 Million Americans.

Sure, you can try a buy-back program like Australia, but like Australia that will still leave behind anywhere from 60 percent to 80 percent of privately owned firearms.

The rest you have to take.

You'll need the police, the FBI, the ATF or the National Guard—all known for their nuanced approach to potentially dangerous situations—to go door-to-door, through 3.8 million square miles of this country and take guns, by force, from thousands, if not, millions of well-armed individuals. Many of whom would rather start a civil war than acquiesce.

So inevitably gun violence, which is currently at a historic low, will skyrocket.

But that is how you get a gun-free America in five easy steps.

Easy Peasy Jonny Queasy!

Walt

You missed the big shootout in Mexico TP "jon".
Don't worry Comrade. I'm in plenty of gov. databases. Have you got the required red "L" tattooed to your forehead yet?

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 05:12 PM

You could leave.

Walt

Speaking of registrations,, I have submitted "jon"'s name to the national registry of dickheads.

Don  Bessee

Fish, that presumes it is actually here. lol

Jon

oh fish, why would I leave ? Love CA, love the changes happening in America, love the technology driving clean energy, love all he wins for social progressives. The future is exciting as the old right wingers slowly die off.

I would leave if I had to live in Texas or some such forsaken place...

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 05:22 PM


Interesting that todays entertainment occurred in California.

Jon

eh, maybe. Its happened everywhere else in our gun toting nation too. Mostly the West in general. San Bernadino seems to be suburban sprawl hell.

Jon

Walt, I did chuckle at your comment. Got me back and good.

Walt

Found "jon"....
https://racingbitch.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/racings-dickhead-of-the-day-11.jpg

Todd Juvinall

Reports say ARAB named individual one of the shooters.

Bill Tozer

Thank goodness, jon is feeling better. Sheis back to hier old thoughtful, deliberate, rational self. An answer to prayer. What a role model, what a spokeswoman for our cherished friends on the greener side of the aisle. No more Christmas blue for her. A bloody miracle I tell ya, a bloody miracle. We all should follow her humble lead.

Jon

Walt, that's pretty funny stuff. Hey, did anyone ever mention that you bear a striking resemblance to the Planned Parenthood terrorist in CO?

Walt

I have an alibi. Nice try.
Now I know why you have been "missing in action" for the past few days.
http://www.aspentimes.com/news/19388127-113/aspen-extreme-plan-ends-with-felony-charge
Who bailed you out?

Don  Bessee

Bummer for the 'jon' , the news conf. is not supporting its anti American narrative its been spewing again. FBI wont rule out terrorism and notes facts that have them concerned. 3 person team including 1 woman. Reports of one of the dead's Arabic sounding name, not clear if the man or woman. One in custody , vague details on him, not even clear he is the 3rd shooter. Searching home for more explosives. CBS just said FBI widening the door to international terrorism. Soft target, Christmas party, government workers, hmmm?

Walt

We need to keep a close watch on the "jon".. He has plenty of anti American views.

Don  Bessee

You can be sure Walt that the 'jon' trips lots of key word triggers in web monitoring bots! LOL ;-)

Don  Bessee

British MP's vote 2 to 1 to bomb scumbags in Syria. Reports of Planes departing Cyprus.

Bill Tozer

Whomever/whatever the shooters were, it's just another workplace violence incidence. Nothing to see here, just some disgruntled l workers doing the postal worker copy cat thang most likely.

Don  Bessee

CNN REPORTS FBI RAID UNDERWAY AT APARTMENT.

Don  Bessee

Knock knock, hello, jon jon, you in there? Guess the 'jons' sake binge is distracting its attention from its most recent idiocy that's looking as valid as the rest of its spew. CNN now openly talking about the realities of this incident in San Bernadino being 'perfectly planned' not spontaneous.

Don  Bessee

Hey Ben, can we revisit the surplus armored cars for Law Enforcement issue?

Walt

I'm surprised none of our ECO gang has blamed it on p.o.ed construction workers, loggers, or oil rig workers! It was a county gov. " environmental" meeting.

Bill Tozer

Not surprising, the bugs are attracted when the lights are turned on.
The first and third news items are...interesting. The first news item is like having Jon as their spokeswomen.

Bill Tozer

Oh yeah, the link.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/256909/isis-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-america-burning

Walt

Then THIS turns up.
http://www.vocativ.com/news/256909/isis-san-bernardino-mass-shooting-america-burning/
"ISIS extremists began celebrating the mass shooting in San Bernardino hours after the massacre, creating the hashtag #America_Burning as police hunted for as many as three shooters, Vocativ discovered. The Islamic State, however, did not take credit for the shootings in the ghoulish postings."

How bout that "jon"?

Walt

OHhhh... Bill beat me to it. Damn good hunting there pal, and a little quicker on the trigger.

Jon

Walt, vocativ.com? Yeah. How bout that. Reliability Supremo.

Jon

Hey Walt, was Joe McCarthy your hero?

Jon

Love to see old Don Bessee in a lather. Ready to send in troops and start bombing, eh Donnie? You are pure entertainment.

Bill Tozer

Walt, that link moves its stories around. My reference to the 3rd story (if you scroll down) is now the 4th and maybe 5th or 6th in 10 minutes. About the Truthers claiming this was a government plot!! Turn on the lights and you attract all sorts of bugs.

More on this Ca State/Federal plot for nefarious reasons soon to be aired on KVMR. The Grays (the good aliens) on Mars (our 51st State) tried to warn us but the Reptilians who are evil aliens and live in the northern parts of Mars blocked the Grays from helping. The Reptilians need us as a food source, those greedy things.

Jon

Apparently everyone who's anyone in Paranoid Red State America reads vocativ.com. LOL.

Walt

You sure know how to step in it "jon" A nice warm steamer. McCarthy was proven right.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/KGB%20Exonerates%20McCarthyism.html
http://www.wnd.com/2000/02/4020/

As I said before.. Don't you ever get tired of being proven wrong? ( apparently not)

Now... Just how did you know these shooters were Muslim terrorists? ( Yup,, you just might be right for once.)

Walt

Uhhh,,, "jonnie"..... Many other news outlets are reporting the same thing.
ISIS is throwing a party on the news. (along with all the rest of the America haters)
That include you?

Don  Bessee

Now jon jon your fearless leader 0 has sent in the bombs for over a year has he not? Hey he actually hit an economically valuable target recently to show solidarity with the French. But only after dropping warning leaflets 45 minutes in advance. Nice, save some ISIS to feel all touchy feely about bombing for 0. Not so good for the air crews is it? Still failing to opine on facts of todays matters. Same ol', same ol' from our sock puppet crew.

Gregory

One of the shooters was apparently one Sayed Farook, a public.employee who decided to shoot up his department at their holiday party.

I await the targeted 'gun safety' regulations that will be formulated in the coming days and weeks from those who couldn't wait for victims to stop bleeding before turning the tragedy into one of those crises that Dems don't like to waste.

Congrats to San Berdoo's SWAT team that was suited up and in a training exercise nearby... it seems it could have been even worse.

Don  Bessee

KNX Radio aired neighbor who spoke of 3 middle easterners having just moved into the Redlands apt. and getting a lot of deliveries and working late in the garage.

Todd Juvinall

DonB, I thought those leaflets from Obama said to the civilians, "run away and hide and keep your carbon footprint small please"! Do not use a fossil fuel driven mode of transportation.

Walt

One more tidbit. Sayed Farook is a Syrian name. Imagine that.

Walt

Imported or domestic. This is terrorism by ANY definition.

Bill Tozer

Don, actually Putin embarrassed Obama to the max when he showed Obama in front of other world leaders pics of the long conveys of trucks transferring oil from ISIS captured oil fields. Putin said, "Hey dude, this is your area you are supposed to be taking care of, what's up?", paraphrased of course. So, after a year of not attacking the oil transport from Iraq territory held by ISIS (their main source of revenue), a couple of days later we took out 128 of the trucks. Russia took care of the rest of the 370 or so trucks (without leaflets) and cleaned up the area.

Seems to me that we made some sort of deal with Turkey to allow this to happen with all our satellite and reconiscence capabilities. I am even beginning to think we might have allowed the armament of ISIS as they too, want to overthrow Assad. So, we are reluctant to hit ISIS, the Russians and Iranians are striking our Tax payer funded Syrian Rebels, and we and ISIS are attacking the Syrian Army. And we are supposed to be attacking ISIS. What a mess. No wonder France said "enough of this noise".
Reports are than when ISIS took Mosel without any resistance driving a long convey of identical Toyota pickups, there was an Apache Helicopter flying over the advancing ISIS army and never fired a shot. Just looking at a 1,000 pickup trucks in the open desert with no air cover. If true, that sucks. Navy pilots are complaining they can't get authorization to hit targets until AFTER their fuel is too low and have to return to base. Hmmmm. Oh, sometimes I hate US international politics as much as Paul.
Sad day everywhere I look.

Bill Tozer

While waiting to find out more about these murderers, I will continue with one amateurish yet deadly foreign policy.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/758897297577643/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/?fref=nf

Bill Tozer

Opps, here is the link. Ah, forget it. Me thinks instead of seeking background checks to get a gun, we should be doing background checks on those running for President.

http://patriotpost.us/alexander/39241

Walt

I would consider that giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I posted a story where "O" and Co. has supplied weapons to ISIS. Funny how the LIB press won't report that.
But they sure pounced on the Iran Contra deal.

Don  Bessee

There are a lot of serious liberals wondering what was the point of 0's and pantsuits arab spring. We lost Iraq, enriched and unchained Iran. Libya, failed state. Egypt, fronted muslum brotherhood (see huma HRC's filter to the world and her hubby Anthony Weiner) and would not even talk to our friends then. It goes on an on. Can anyone tell us (Paul, jon jon, Ben. Not you dark lord of liberal lament land) how did 0 and hrc help any people of color other than those on her payrolls?

Bill Tozer

Oh Walt, I am deeply grieved. No, I ain't blaming Syrian Refugees, just as I did not blame all Palenstinians for Sirhan Sirhan murdering Bobby Kennedy. Still in the wait and see mode, the waiting room if you will.
. My distrust of our Great White Fathers in Washington runs long and deep, a distrust and suspension that the likes of Mr. Steve find puzzling.
I hope I have been wrong all these years, but my fears and distrust usually are proven over time to have merit. I still trust the FBI.
Just got to figure out the Turkey connection. More will be revealed. I noticed Israel ain't saying a peep and keeping far away from their neighbor Syria's mess and Turkey is preventing the Kurds from fighting ISIS, Oh, deals with the devil. Meanwhile, ISIS oil passes through Turkey onto blue water tankers under Italian and other countries' flags. Maybe shipped to Japan or China or points beyond.
If Assad is the target, we ain't laying a glove anywhere near him.

Bill Tozer

Press conference pushed back to 10pm. Shootings..er...murders are not surprising. The FBI has called our Eco-nut-Nazi-wackos domestic terrorists for decades.

http://state-employees.findthedata.com/d/a/Syed-Farook

Todd Juvinall

Jihadis all!

Don  Bessee

GO PROS on the scum bags. The internet is changing the way we communicate is a refrain I hear tossed around by some dilatants. Who will post the video from the GO PROS?

George Rebane

Walt 824pm - PaulE has been a stalwart pointing out the Iran-Contra transgressions of the Republicans in these pages. I'm sure if you ask him nicely he will glas to give a good explanation as to why the lamestream has been ignoring your report of the arms supply to ISIS.

Jon

"Sayed Farook is a Syrian name. Imagine that." Walt

Walt, you're a real Einstein aren't ya? Not sure how you imagine he received a Syrian name from his Pakistani parents, since the two cultures have virtually nothing in common.

Don Bessee

Really jon jon, 'virtually nothing in common.' I think we can all think of one or more commonalities of the Bin Laden hide out and Iran's proxies in Lebanon and what is left of Syria. You guys let too many use the same socks. ;-)

Bill Tozer

Hmmm. Jon, the wife was Pakistani who lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to our amber waves of grain. Again, I caution you to wait and see so some mean spirited person like me cannot say you stepped in it yet again.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 02 December 2015 at 10:23 PM

"Sayed Farook is a Syrian name. Imagine that." Walt

Walt, you're a real Einstein aren't ya? Not sure how you imagine he received a Syrian name from his Pakistani parents, since the two cultures have virtually nothing in common.


Well...there's that one thing......cough.....cough.

Bill Tozer

Well, Jon was right. They ain't Syrians, just plain o devote followers of the religion of peace. Maybe some micro aggressive white devil or person of color offered him a ham and cheese croissant at the banquet and the rest is history. At least he gave his fellow employees a trigger warning as he brought his lovely wife/girlfriend/squeeze to the meet and greet. It's all America's fault for developing diplomatic ties with Indian. That is a real sticking point with those wild and crazy Pakistanis.

Todd Juvinall

They are "jon's" people. I think he may be a jihadi.

Bill Tozer

Hey, what's up with these "refugees"?
http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-rejects-30-deportees-greece-sends-back-plane-105759747.html
Ironically, the spokesperson for Pakistan is named Khan. Not the khan in the news, the other Khan.

Bill Tozer

Jon: India good, Muslim bad. I told ya so....

jon smith

Walt- I am all for cogen. Like cellulosic ethanol it has yet to break even without substantial government subsidies though (yet). The cogen plant in Burney is ideally located next to a railroad yard and high capacity distribution lines, yet it doesn't operate at a profit without assistance. These technologies take time to evolve and become cost effective. We're on the right road though. It is unrealistic to expect the logging industry to single handedly save us from wild land fires. To be effective thinning has to be done every 5-10 years. Logging commercially valuable trees takes 30 or more years.

Walt

Bonnie and Clyde. Muslim style. CARE sure found out fast who the family members are.
Since people with bad intentions like to video their crimes, we better start regulating and doing background checks of POV cameras.

Bill Tozer

Walt, Bonnie and Clyde crossed my mind, but this time you beat me to it. Good going. Great minds think alike, especially when it comes to us inbred hillbillies that are....are..ignorant. :).

Confucius says "a wise man looks where the finger points, a jon looks at the finger."

Well, Obama is turning into just another windbag and nobody bothers to listen to his words anymore. Same words, without the inspiration. Nobody is fainting when he speaks anymore, unless they have been standing in the hot sun too long. He has no passion in his voice. It's gone.
He has turned into Reagon after Iran-Contra, Bush after Katrina, Clinton after his DNA appeared on an intern's dress....sad.....he seems to be going through the motions half heartily. Putin has bullied him off the playground and Obamacare will collapse unless the gov't starts cutting billion dollar checks to the evil health insurance industry to cover their losses. Racial tensions have skyrocketed, not got better, under his watch. Even school kids are boycotting Michele's school lunches.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/obamas-pathetic-failure-to-transform-anything/

Well, at least he has proven he is not a total lame duck (no President really is a total lame duck). He has found his old self and is addressing threat to humanity, from within and finally from without.
http://patriotpost.us/cartoons/22705

Bill Tozer

As a public service to law enforcement, I will selflessly supply the answer LE is grappling with concerning the big question: What was the motive behind the SB murders yesterday???? Answer is "kill the infidels!" No charge, glad to help.

Oh, I feel that the term "shooters" is too watered down and inaccurate. Murderers is a more precise term, albeit it may not be PC, unless it is a Ted Kaskinski Uni-Bomber look alike loner in Colorado mumbling incoherently, minus Ted's degree from Berkeley.

Walt

Mr. Smith. Since you are an admitted "ECO bastard" ( said in the most friendly way, and one I actually respect) I figure you would be in favor of COGEN. (as am I)
We have plenty of stuff to keep it fueled. No,, they won't end wildfires.
But expect the NIMBY crowd to raise a stink, and make wild claims like they did when the mine was trying to open.

Bill Tozer

Walt, if you are like me, I am skeptical of man made climate change, but hate pollution. I hate smog and warnings to not eat the fish one catches.
I share your sentiments about NIMBY. Plus, thinning the fire ladders in our forests on public lands is not natural, thus a no-no. I like how the Good Thinkers in Nevada City have been creaming their jeans for years over burning wood slash in some green furnace to send juice to our charging stations. However, each time this topic comes up, the location of the dream facility keeps being put further and further away, lol.

Now, folks, this is a story I have followed closely since before her arrest months ago. Yeah, it's all true. What the article declines to state unequivocally is that she was/is shacking up with a lawyer who was organizing forbidden marches and protests against El Presidente. She came and went, came and went abroad to followed the paycheck , but it was her "tribal leader friend" they were after.
Trouble in paradise?

http://panampost.com/rebeca-morla/2015/12/03/deportation-from-ecuador-hasnt-silenced-activist-manuela-picq/

Bill Tozer

Walt. That new super duper telescope they are going to put on the mountain in Hawaii ain't going to happen. First, the site is holy ground. Secondly and more important, the Eco-bastards filed suit and blocked it. :)

Walt

I don't recall a contingent from Nevada City heading to Hawaii. They snuck out under the radar, to radicalize the islanders. Now they bitch? there are how many looking glasses up there now??? Funny.. someone piles up a few rocks overnight, and all of a sudden it's a sacred altar by noon. I have been watching that from the start.

George Rebane

Walt 1048am - Do you think there is any chance that the Big Kahuna of the deeply devout Hawaiians could see his way to a waiver from the gods if some of that long green were sprinkled into his retirement fund?

Walt

I don't know Dr.R,,, Good jobs and money have yet to sway the transplanted ideals from Nevada City. Just like the homeless over there demanding to stay living on the streets in the tourist district. " we like out tents in the parks".

The anti telescope clan put a tent up near the summit, and later agreed to take it down and leave... The left,, and left the tent and mess for others to clean up.

These people are real idiots. the telescope in question is to look for Earth killing asteroids.
But where where these same (got nothing better to do)demonstrators when all the other telescopes were being built?

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