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13 January 2016

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Bill Tozer

Oh Dr. Rebane. The economy is doing great and if you don't think so, you are in Denial. Yes, Da Nile is not a river in Egypt.
If you really want to address those living in an Alternative Universe, perhaps you should solicit remarks from little jon and address this whole topic to him. He will provide much food for thought from the AV.
PS: I do like the term Alternative Universe better than Parallel Universe, which is a more apt title. Didn't Hillary (of all people on the planet) use the term Alternative Universe to describe a vocal critic?

When we talk about illegal immigration (illegal, uninvited) folks in a separate argument from immigration (legal)???????

Bill Tozer

Ok, how about these topics:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/776913989109307/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/776895429111163/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Darn, the overnight ratings of the State of the Onion is not out till later this afternoon. In the meantime, I submit this serious opinion to all readers.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-ugly-truth-obamas-last-gasp-liberalism-14892

Bill Tozer

Look at this carnage. I hate clear cutting. No a tree, flower, shrub or a furry critter to be found anywhere. Makes me weep how some destroy our environment cloaked in doing good. Disgusting. Stop this madness.

http://patriotpost.us/posts/40004

George Rebane

After we finish considering the fundamental transformation that Obama has delivered, a correspondent sent me this compelling perspective on Donald Trump delivered by Bill Whittle of PJ Media -
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3RW4R3N8Ju8?feature=player_embedded

Paul Emery

George

Are you willing to engage in a discussion of the before and after comparisions of the Obama eight years and the Bush terms?

George Rebane

PaulE 736am - The discussion you reference has been ongoing in these pages since Obama took office. I'm sure the engagement will continue and I will, of course, be a part of it. But I am interested in covering new ground because on this topic there are many barns with well-worn paths around their peripheries. And the comparisons you seek will involve sourced data the effects of which will then have to be interpreted in various ways, as we have done before.

But what I'd like to do this time is for you to give your own version and its basis, instead of asking an endless round of questions while yourself answering a number somewhere between none and few. I'll then again offer mine.

Russ Steele

Paul@07:36AM and George@08:34AM

Oh NO, Paul is going to serve us up another plateful of cold Bush Derangement Syndrome. Think I will take a pass on the tasteless gruel this time.

Bill Tozer

Paul: Count me on the "I'll Pass This Time Around" category. Anthrax was so yesterday with people taking duct tape and plastic sheeting to their doors and windows.
But Paul, you really surprised me and cost me 10 bucks. I bet a fellow chap that your next post would be about marijuana. I did not even say Medical Herb, just plain o marihuana hoochie hoochie coupled with states rights and some hypocrisy angle. Well, I lost that bet. Good thing I did not count my free range chicken eggs before the dogs tore them to pieces.
BTW, Paul, I listened to your intro to Dr. Rebane last night along with some other Doc. You introduced the one guy as Doctor and the other Doc simply as George Rebane. Whatz up with that? Next time introduce George as Dr. Rebane. Show some class, will ya. :).
Back on the Alternative Universe:
https://www.facebook.com/gregorybrothers/videos/10153884847629284/?theater

Now, let's see what the God haters have to say, from Foxey News:

http://www.newsfoxes.com/2016/01/proof-even-atheists-hate-islam/

Bill Tozer

Swan song from the Alternative Universe:

https://www.facebook.com/UniversalFreePress/photos/a.379789762067269.83551.142868065759441/772104712835770/?type=3&theater

Paul Emery

George
Lets start with unemployment stats. Does that work for you?

Paul Emery

Dr Jeff Kane is a physician. No intention to slight George. I can use that if he prefers, no problem. HE doesn't refer to himself as a Dr on this blog so I figured it was his preference.

Bill Tozer

Oh Paul, don't take everything so seriously. Who cares how you address the good Doc?? Not I, silly man. Boy, you are wound tighter than a Swiss watch. Not characteristic of the music types I have partied with in days gone by. Ever heard of the Delaware Destroyers? The Detriot Wheels? Big Brother and The Holding Company? Good times, bro. Well, not the last group. First, there was fun, then fun with problems, then just problems. Maybe you have entered the last phase. Come on, Paul, let your hair down on last time. Drop that manager title and rub elbows with us, aka, your lower companions.

Ok, I will quit teasing ya. Now, I perceive you are loaded with bear and stats. So, please tell us about unemployment through the years. Pleazzzzze, oh pleaze!

drivebyposter

"Lets start with unemployment stats. Does that work for you?"
P. Emery

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/LFP%20Participation.jpg

drivebyposter

That chart really should be filtered in order to twizzle out trends. There are obvious seasonal hits for one thing.

Bill Tozer

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https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/777424209058285/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

"Most of the attacks have come from Muslim Extremists". Nope. Most of the attacks have come from Islamics.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/164bbc1445aa42fc883ee85e4439523a/western-europe-jewish-migration-israel-hits-all-time-high.

Jon

"Delaware Destroyers?..." Tozer

Yup, Led by one of the biggest jackasses in the business.

Gregory

Here's a primary blast from the past that deserves repeating:
"At issue is an interview that Geffen gave to Maureen Dowd, in which he characterized Hillary Clinton as a calculating figure who can’t win and her husband as “a reckless guy.”

“Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease it’s troubling,” Geffen said, among other comments."

http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/22/cx_tj_0222varietybiz.html

George Rebane

PaulE 102pm - Have no idea as to how I would refer to myself with the honorific 'Dr' in these, that is for others to do who know and respect my credentials. In these backwoods the only people who are graced with that honorific are physicians, veterinarians, dentists, and chiropractors. I wasn't a 'Mr' again until I moved up here. But you and Mr Tozer bring up and interesting point about our culture's treatment of honorifics which has markedly changed in the last two or three decades as politically correct egalitarianism swept the land. More later.

George Rebane

Obama's National Lie of ISIS being in any way controlled, let alone pushed back, took another shot in the shorts today with the ISIS attack in Jakarta. Alinsky recommended Stalin's tactic of just repeating a big lie until the sheeple fell into line and took it as truth. Well, Obama is batting about 500 with the gruberized faction of Americans.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacks-in-indonesia-mark-expansion-for-islamic-state-1452817636

Paul Emery

George

If you prefer I will add the Dr to George Rebane. Your call. You don't generally use it yourself in public statements and commentaries published in the Union

Jon

George R, I continue to wonder what you guys want the President to do, other than his directed and very intensive bombing campaign, as advised by his military brass. How is that going to stop some insane follower in Indonesia? ISIS sympathizers are all over the world, no thanks to US intervention in 2003. We reap what we sow. So now, do we need a massive buildup in US ground troops or perhaps carpet bombing pockets of territory in multiple countries around the world? Should he talk real tough, like a hard line real estate developer? Should our President make a big speech at the UN proposing a ban on Muslims around the world?

Don Bessee

Another comic styling from the 'jon'.

Bill Tozer
Jon

Yeah guys, now after seeing the GOP high/lowlights of tonight's debate, I will have to support Ben Carson for President! Ben's my man. Why can't they just get along?....

Jon

I tend not to click on any website named tammybruce.com...

Paul Emery

Jon

Tonight's Pubbers "debate" is beyond anything could imagined. The ultimate result is another Clinton in the white house. What ever happened to the idea of responsible opposition?

Jon

Paul, I just caught a few lowlights, rather preferring opening night at the W&S. Clearly an angry, emotion driven farce with a bunch of angry white men used to getting their way. Petulant children, not a single tangible policy proposal on domestic or international policy. Fortunately you're right- the voters are smart enough to elect a grownup in the room.

Jon

But lets not underestimate that Lindsay Graham endorsement of Jeb today.....

Paul Emery

Yeah Jon. He'll throw his 1% to Bush III. that's a real game changer. the Pubs don't like Bush plain and simple.

Todd Juvinall

You guys crack me up. Your candidates are going to be indicted and Bernie is a perv. What a selection on the left.

fish

Posted by: Jon | 15 January 2016 at 07:41 AM

Yes....if there's anything that will swing republicans to ¡Jeb! it's an endorsement from apple cheeked rent boy Lindsey Graham.

Jon

Paul,
I'm a little sad for Jeb! in some ways. He is so confused and out of his element here. Here he is, a cultured, mannered favorite wealthy son of a stately American dynasty, being forced to engage with maniacal 3rd graders on their level. Prior to this campaign, the guy had some moderate views on policy matters-and perhaps moderate-progressive on international and immigration matters. I believe he would NOT have gone into Iraq had he been the Bush in the WH in 2003. He gets beaten to a pulp in these debates by adult bullies and has very little idea how to respond. Pathetic to witness. Of course the guy has lost respect. What the hell does he have to lose by calling out Trump even more for what he is- a maniacal, racist Madman who will damage America? What,is he going to lose another point in the polls? Instead he panders to the far right wing- its so transparent and pathetic. Even Handsome Marco Rubio can fake it better than Jeb. What a monumental waste of millions of dollars. Just get the hell out of the race, Jeb. Maintaining your dignity for the remainder of your life, and taking care of your parents in the remaining days is more important than your pathetic showing in these debates.

Jon

Paul,
Are you as puzzled about John Kasich as I am? Like you, he was a guy I could have an ounce of respect for. Just don't get it - the guy is in make-or-break mode now, and he has the least memorable night of the entire debate season. What is the guy waiting for? Why are you spending other people's money and running for President if you have no desire to TRY to differentiate yourself from the 4-5 people ahead of you?

Another person who should hang it up is Ben Carson, a sad sack candidate who seems determined to channel Rick Perry the remainder of the campaign.

George Rebane

re PaulE's 844am - let's not confuse a man's support for the party's nomination for president with the respect he has among Repubs for his legislative and foreign policy chops. Hint: it ain't 1%.

Gregory

Folks are calling the winner of the race even before the horses are led onto the track for qualifying heats.

Ad hominems like "angry white men" are the only microagressions the progressive left allows itself... don't wear them out.

DEM registrations are at an all time low, Hillary is feeling the Bern from a snowball who has been a Democrat for less time than I.

I remember Kasich from his time as a Gingrich lieutenant during the House Revolution... he's no Democrat.

Bern, Hill, Donald, Ted, Marco, Ben, Rand, Carly. Not a day of experience governing among them.

Gregory

Theres' reasons why Jeb Bush is an ex-governor.

George Rebane

I repost my 1012am comment from a thread with Mr Ben Emery in the last sandbox that seems apropos in the current comment stream -

BenE 902am - Surprisingly, many of us (millions?) are quite pleased with the cast of candidates the GOP has lined up against the Democrat coterie. The Dems are now busy destroying the center of their party as Hillary's Clintonesque entourage have begun to suffer noticeable desertions from her train. Yes, the Dems will be the declared socialists by the time Hillary blows a tire and Liz Warren becomes their Bernie-approved standard bearer.

Kim Strassel of WSJ, an astute observer of the political scene, makes the case that "Barack Obama’s political legacy may be the dismantling of the party’s center" and writes -

(Obama) ran as a uniter, but he governed as a divisive ideologue and as a liberal, feeding new fervor in the progressive wing ...(that) proved more eager than even the Republicans to steadily pick off Democratic moderates—and helped the GOP to decimate their ranks. The Democratic congressional contingent is now at its smallest size since before FDR. But boy is it pure, and it retains an unwavering belief that its path to re-election is to double down on the Obama agenda.

Read the whole piece here -
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-democratic-crack-up-1452815892

Jon

Gregory, who implied that Kasich is a Democrat or Democrat-lite?
Paul and I have mentioned we respect the man. He has largely avoided the near universal racist, xenophobic rantings of his fellow lunatics, and when he does speak, he speaks from the heart. He's the only one remotely resembling Reagan, who would be accused of being a RHINO today. Yes, he appears to have a semblance of an actual heart. Very rare.

Party registration today means nothing. The parties are outdated and slowly dying. Ben, Paul and others have pointed this out on countless occassions. Young people and first time voters are generally Indy or Decline to State.

Gregory

You're back in your Michael P. Anderson mode, "Jon". I had assumed you couldn't be him because your musings on spell checking would have been a sign of incompetence for a computer support professional like Mike; perhaps I should not have assumed that would not be the case... I may have been wrong. That can happen.

Kasich is the Republican Dems like. No doubt about that. They'd support him up to the point where it was between him and any Democrat. Kasich's problem, like that of Scott Walker, is the conservative base is not in a mood to support moderates, and Kasich comes off as a moderate. I see him as a conservative who understands the limits of his ideology when faced with the realities of making governmental sausages.

"He has largely avoided the near universal racist, xenophobic rantings of his fellow lunatics" is the sort of statement that Dems have used to drive their hate public. There's nothing racist or xenophobic or lunatic on the GOP stage, and you'd not be stuck on argumentum ad hominem if you had substance and rationality in your quiver.

Jon

"There's nothing racist or xenophobic or lunatic on the GOP stage" Greg

LOL. OK then..

Don Bessee

Did anyone see that madam liar liar pantsuits on fire is following the same trajectory as the 2008 dem primaries? The only difference is she is tanking faster this time. ;-)

Gregory

RL Crabb cited the protesting Moslem who got thrown out of a Trump campaign rally as proof of racism... ignoring the fact that she was protesting, had taken her message to a seat behind Trump that was clearly visible in the video of Trump speaking. Somebody tell our favorite toonist that Moslem is not a race.

She also heard the same warning everyone else heard... no protests inside the arena and in interviews, she was clear that her intent was protest. It was a private venue, she was treated fairly.

Racism, xenophobia, mental illness. All unsupported hyperbole that shouldn't have traction.

Give up your hate, "Jon".

Jon

Yeah. Perhaps you can do a google search and discover the many multitudes of observers of all stripes saying the same thing about several of the Angry White GOP candidates. Unhinged is about the nicest thing said. You can also listen to a voice of reason- conservative Gov. Nikki Haley, in the reddest of the red states.

On matters of immigration and your fears, here's a good study to ponder.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/world/europe/research-doesnt-back-a-link-between-migrants-and-crime-in-us.html

Todd Juvinall

Gregory, could the Muslim woman be a racist? Yes, she was showing her real feelings about a "white" man speaking in the public square. "jon" told us he was a Muslim, therefore using his own logic he is also a racist for the things he says about "white" people.

Gregory

I've no fears, "Jon". I was born in East LA, and grew up among legal and illegal immigrants.

The Times article is as expected, mostly conflating legal and illegal with no rhyme and little reason besides it sells their point. A few quick points that seem to be missing from the "study" it's based upon... whether by accident or plan, illegal acts by illegal immigrants (beyond the crime of the illegal immigration itself) is that the perps generally
high tail it back home before the heat is on... another skew is that the average people whose crime is impatience and a flaunting of immigration law are often purer than Caesar's wife because they know the gigue is up with even a minor problem with the law. I remember the folks living across the alley from my grandfather in Alhambra had a lot of people living there and, one night, with a loud party going and cars parked everywhere, one of the other neighbors got angry and told them they'd call the police... or maybe La Migra. He also did it in appropriately accented Spanish, having been born here with the name Martinez.

Problems solved in minutes.

The "study", using as its main metric the jail population means only the illegals who didn't dodge the criminal justice system got counted.

Democrats want the undocumented Democrats to come out of the cold. Patrician Republicans want cheap labor. GOP rank and file want the laws of the USA to be followed. Which is the moral high ground, "Jon:?

Gregory

"search and discover the many multitudes of observers of all stripes saying the same thing about several of the Angry White GOP candidates. Unhinged is about the nicest thing said" - "Jon"

Let me count the fallacies:
argumentum ad populum
argumentum ad hominem
argumentum ad vericundiam

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 15 January 2016 at 02:57 PM


I don't know exactly how you do it but you certainly get "he who has many hands up him" in a lather!


Kudos!

Jon

wow! Someone is just slightly agitated...

Don Bessee

Lets translate the 'jons' 325 in response to G's 257. Duh whatd ya say? You so mean Gregory putting the wee sock puppet in an uncomfortable position of having to admit ignorance. Oh well, by now he has googled it! LOL ;-)

fish

Yes! I mentioned just above the fact that Greg seems to fluster you.

rl crabb

Greg 1:37pm - The word I used was bigotry, not racist. There are plenty of them out there, flaunting it on their crude, misspelled signs and Facebook posts. It's quite fashionable this year.

George Rebane

Apropos this President's ongoing assault on the 2nd Amend - RR has long taken a stand that designating and then advertising that certain public venues and, of course, schools are 'gun-free zones' is the height of idiocy and give comfort only to idiots. A correspondent sent me a recent piece by Dr John Lott about the record on how such gun-free zones prevent mass shootings.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/gun-free-zones-put-innocent-danger

Todd Juvinall

Yeah Crabb, it is just white republicans. Jeeze, I met many democrats in my life that went apoplectic when the kid brought someone not white home for inspection. Democrats and indies and blacks and Hispanics are all bigots and racists. Just a fact of life.

rl crabb

Well, Toddy, I never specifically singled out Republickins, only Trump supporters. I imagine there are many parties that fit under the Trump standards, even some Democrats. It takes all types, babe.

drivebyposter

The word I used was bigotry, not racist. There are plenty of them out there, flaunting it on their crude, misspelled signs and Facebook posts. It's quite fashionable this year.

-rl crabb

Considering that a 'bigot' is someone who is intolerant to those who hold different opinions, there is a certain irony here.

rl crabb

So you're okay with it, Driveby?

Bill Tozer

Alternative Universe is right. Hard to believe it's been only 70 years and is beginning to happen again....not from Nazis, but from Islamics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-laitman/jews-have-no-future-in-fr_b_8987428.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Todd Juvinall

Toddy? LOL! A return to the schoolyard. All races are bigots to all races. Everyone including you crabby. But we humans don't want to admit it and are delusional. A lot of bad things are practiced on this planet and we all say we abhor them but they still happen. And the enemies of peace and tranquility know how to use them. As far as Trump, I would say he is simply a realist and since he voices that reality, his critics point fingers at him when they should actually look in the mirror. Look in the mirror.

drivebyposter

rlcrabb 6:22AM

I'm willing to consider any opinion with a certain equanimity.

Different people have different group fealties, and a lot of notions have been invented (culture, race, government, religion, bowling leagues) to handle the problem of applying altruism to non-family members. My best guess is that you'd be surprised how much of your own strongly felt opinions, especially these shoot-from-the-hip political ones, have a foundation built on innate factors (DNA and the like). It's probably best to reassess opinions on a daily basis.

In terms of all the immigration/invasion fuss that's going on, I have to admit that looking at the history of large groups, heterogeneous ones either tend to break up from internal stresses or have a strong new meme overlaid on them. I can think offhand of two models, the first is Roman, which implies an extremely strong (more than extreme by modern standards) set of mores that citizens are expect to self-apply (ie. Roman virtues), a second might be the Soviet model of a system of surveillance and law enforcement which is used to get the various sub-groups to get along well enough.

My best guess is that the West is headed for the second, especially given modern technology, but I really don't know.

rl crabb

I'm always reading about the "war of civilizations" on this site and others, which leads me to wonder what the strategery is to deal with the one billion plus Muslims in the world. I don't care for their uptight religion either, but most of them don't seem to be interested in conquering the world. (Indonesians would be a recent example.) The loudest voices pushing for an apocalyptic final solution, for lack of a better term, are conservatives and radical Islam. So enlighten me.

rl crabb

Here's one idea: You could put the Muzzies and the humanists together and let let them kill each other.Maybe Nevada County could get one of those "Northern California" camps to make up for all the lost pot money. http://www.newslo.com/ted-cruzs-father-suggests-placing-atheists-in-camps/

Bill Tozer

The Crabbman @ 8:33am this rainy morn:

"The loudest voices pushing for an apocalyptic final solution, for lack of a better term, are conservatives and radical Islam. So enlighten me."

Enlighten me? Ok

https://www.facebook.com/BaneUnrated/photos/a.406113909505237.1073741828.406106636172631/853798451403445/?type=3&theater

rl crabb

Yer gonna need a bigger room, bubba.

George Rebane

A slightly edited version of this post appears in today's (16jan16) edition of The Union.

Re Bob Crabb's continued amazement that we are truly in a war between civilizations, I offer the observation that the ONLY contingent on this third planet from our sun that does not realize this are the globalist Left and, of course as ever, the terminally gruberized among us. I don't know how to catalog responses like "...most of (Muslims) don't seem to be interested in conquering the world.", except to place it next to similar arguments offered in the 1930s - 'most Germans aren't interested in conquering the world'; and throughout the Cold War - 'most Russians aren't interested in conquering the world.' There such platitudes will find a nice comfortable home.

Finally, I draw your attention to Robert Kaplan's piece linked in the 15jan16 Ruminations.

Todd Juvinall

I am a man of peace and don't wish violence on anyone. But I would defend myself and my country id attacked. What Crabby fails to understand is the goal of Muslims is world domination. It is right there in the Koran. So maybe they bring all this crap on themselves. I have no axe to grind with them yet the do with me. What are we supposed to do? So conservatives wish to preserve and protect our way of life from those that want to "fundamentaly" transform us. If you want to be a beheaded cartoonist, go right ahead. I take life.

Todd Juvinall

One more thing. If the powers that ve in the Muslim world told their constituents they must join the "jihad" against the Great Satan under threat of their own heads chopped off, there would be 750 million men signed up. Don't doubt that one in the least. All for the Koran and Allah.

Russ Steele

Study: 93% of US Counties Still Haven’t Recovered from the Recession

Those of you who watched the State of the Union address know that President Obama spent some time crowing about his economic record. He only mentioned the “Great Recession” once, but he spent plenty of time talking about how the economy has grown during his term is office.

A recent study by the National Association of Counties (NACO) provides more evidence to support your suspicions that our economy is not the economy the President was describing. Across the United States’ 3069 counties that have their own county government, only 214, or 7%, of them have recovered to pre-Recession levels on all four of their indicators, jobs, unemployment rate, GDP recovery, and home prices. That means 2882 of the counties NACO considered have yet to do so. Strong evidence that the economy has not recovered from the Great Recession for 93% of the nation. In what alternative universe does he live?

Report:http://www.naco.org/resources/county-economies-opportunities-challenges

George Rebane

RussS 1041am - good find Russ. I wonder what species of crickets our progressive readers will commission to comment on this additional piece of evidence about our "recovery".

George Boardman

I'm confused. According to the counties map, Nevada County has recovered on only one of the four indicators, yet Ed Scofield said at the supes meeting Tuesday things are looking up because of the high tech that's coming here.

Is Scofield hallucinating, or just exaggerating?

You will also note that most of the California counties that supposedly will make up the state of Jefferson have recovered on either zero or one indicator. If the movement succeeds, they can enjoy their poverty together. Misery loves company.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 1113am - "Misery loves company." I'm having trouble cataloging that as either a stasist or statist view; or perhaps better, a cleverly conjoined stasist/statist view of the portents of the new state of Northern California (nee State of Jefferson).

George Rebane

Obama's New Constitution

ObamasConstitution

Russ Steele

GeorgeB@11:13 AM

I have been researching a book on how Nevada County developed into a widely recognized applied technology center. The book will cover the period from 1950 to 2000, and will focus on the role that Charles Litton Sr. played in creating an environment which fostered innovation, education and public service. It was a time when California's economy was growing before is was strangled by environmental regulations and ever growing tax burden that started in the 1970 and continues to expand today. Litton moved his company to Nevada in the early1970s to escape the state's burdensome taxes. The family returned it to CA following his death.

For years, I was a volunteer at the Economic Resource Council and participated for years in the efforts to grow the County economy. I have forgotten how many strategic planning meetings were wasted and meaningless reports were generated, but the result was the same -- no action. The community could not come together and decide what they wanted to be in 5, 10 or 20 years. Too many tribes with their own path to the future could not agree on a common path to effective economic development.

The ERC is to be congratulated on getting a Federal grant for a Digital Media Campus, but now they need to find the follow-on investments from the private sector. That is harder to do given the state's negative business environment, with more taxes and environmental regulations flowing out of Sacramento. There are better places for business to invest their limited capital.

One of the prime reasons a company relocates is to take advantage of a trained and ready workforce. Nevada County schools are at the bottom of the performance barrel, where is this workforce going to come from? It is not going to move to Nevada County, where are they going to live? The third most important factor in workforce relocations after quality of life and cost of living is family education. Nevada County schools are at the bottom of the performance list, other communities have better schools.

Given the special circumstances that fostered Western Nevada County's applied technology business cluster, the state negative business environment and competitive forces from outside Nevada County, one is forced to conclude that Scofield maybe hallucinating or at best just dreaming of days long past.

George Rebane

RussS 1247pm - Our county schools have long focused on the arts, specifically the performing arts, and they produce excellent young performance artists. Teaching such skills is extremely attractive to young people in hormonal throes in which all kinds of group memberships and pair bindings are enjoyable and easy to fathom.

Unfortunately, the ability to provide oneself a good livelihood with such skill sets is difficult in the modern day. Technology allows the cream of the crop to succeed and amplify their reach, with counter point that the vast majority making up the skim milk will have little in the way of labor to sell.

Acquiring sellable skills is a lonelier and more difficult enterprise that is especially difficult to choose given the siren song of the nearby arts scene. And most of the sellable skills also demand something that every young person does not have, which today is again more true than ever before. In other words, even if you were to dedicate yourself to the more lonely and difficult road in education, you may still not measure up and wind up with something that lets you compete in the labor markets.

Given our innate feelings about self-worth, this drives the young person of modicum or minimal skills into the clutches of any ideology that teaches moralistic egalitarianism found in belonging to a supportive collective. Today that often translates into becoming a public employee and supporting policies and regimes where such employment is most readily available. Our increasingly progressive community does much to promote such educational environments that give rise to the poor rankings of our schools, and the greater halo effect on our county's economic development.

But then you know all that, and I'll be the first to admit that our progressive brethren will have none of this worldview. They instead will continue to support variations of past paths to failure while expecting different results.

rl crabb

George 10:31am - Okie dokie...I read the piece on the EU. It talks about changing demographics and growing pains but offers nothing in the way of solutions to the Muslim problem. I'm still curious as to what the free world will do in exterminating the vermin. The Donald says he'll bomb the crap out of ISIS, but unless we're talking nukes you're still going to end up with millions of Allah's followers to deal with. I suppose no one wants to talk about genocidal fixes. Perhaps Trump will build a wall around that half of the world and make the oil sheiks pay for it.

drivebyposter

GR @ 2:35

I quite like that post. I can't say that I'd thought about pathways to first jobs in quite that way along with the indoctrination you might receive. It's a thing I'll have to think about.

Going forward, what might actually be a 'sellable skill' isn't obvious to me anymore.

rl crabb @2:59

Demographics pressure is a thing that is worth considering. Given the population increases in Africa and the Middle East, and considering the trends going forward, how should the West respond? It's interesting to ponder, especially from a snug armchair in a whiteopia like Nevada County.

Bill Tozer

Do Crabb.
Stopping Islamic followers like ISIS doing what they are doing is like trying to stop criminals from being criminals. Never happen, just like we cannot stop every wack job Islamic from shooting a cop in Philly, setting bombs that did not detonate in San Bruno or attacking Jewish Delis and some cartoonists in France, nor even stop a Islamic from killing US Marines on US soil at a small recruiting walk in office.

Carpet bomb ISIS and another group will emerge in the vacuum.
Oh Trump, yep, he did say carpet bombing, didn't he. Oh, he is too funny. Like when he said "take their coats, it's 10 depresses outside", followed later that same evening by saying "take their coats, we will mail them back to them in 10 days", lol. The crowd loves it and I am chuckling about it right now after watching hecklers for years get too much attention and too much ass kissing. Finally, a man who orders "get those knuckleheads outta here!
Do not confuse campaign rallies with policy. Boy, he knows how to make your head spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist spewing pea soup and saying your mother's cooking sucks in hell. Who comes up with these lines? Great lines from The Donald....and he thinks "Hillary is an enabler, too". Duh, who doesn't.
My solution is
1) to secure our borders and let the FBI keep doing what it has been doing. What, they'd have thwarted something like 75-90 terror plots in the last 5-6 years. Thank goodness for that.
2). We can't do much about Islamic murderers murdering Islamics on their turf or Islamic killing non-Islamics in Eurarabia. Let them have at it. Keep the Islamic populations here around 2-3% (new arrivals and extended families included) and we show be to have the resources to stop the majority of these murderous attacks on civilians.
Perhaps some day all Europeans coming here to visit the Magic Kingdom will have to go through extensive background checks and interviews, including checks on a family or friends the way here on sacred US soil. Bummer, but the shoe bomber was a British citizen and the butt crack bomber who torched his schlong came into Detriot from Europe as well. Same, but no non citizen ever ever has any right to come here just because they want to. Zero.
3). This one is easy. I believe to have an accurant conversation about The Problem we must drop the word "Muslim" asap. That is not even close to being what the conservation is about.. If you replace the word Muslim with Islamic, we can proceed. Trump should have said we should temporary halt all immigration of Islamics until we find out what was going on. He used the misleading term Muslim, which is the religion of Islamics. Free advise.

BTW, Mr. Crabb, ALL demonstrators removed from Trump rallies are allowed back in if they promise to behave themselves. Cross my heart, hope to die. In the meantime, "Get them out of here. Take their coats, it's 10 depresses outside. Mail them their coats back in 10 days." Too funny. This Bubba loves it!!!!!

Bill Tozer

Alternative Universe?? From the evil Foxy News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/15/growing-number-police-chiefs-sheriffs-join-call-to-arms.html

Bill Tozer

Oh, Crabbman. I forgot one thing. Forget ISIS, forget refugees, forget Muslims, but never forget culture. Forget everything about Islamics except how they were raised. Raised normally even peacefully in most their eyes and everyone they knew. It's about culture. Keep all Islamics out with a few exceptions. Like Billionaire playboys from the Gulf. Lock the rest out. Tell them "Get him out of here, get them out of here and take their coats to pay for our expenses." And punch holes in their lifeboats before they leave Arab soil.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/01/16/migrants-in-europe-rapidly-wearing-out-welcome/

Bill Tozer

Speaking of Alternative Universes, Wal-Mart is swimming in billions of dollars of cash and should pay employees more, much more. Plus guarantee so many hours a week to each employee along with health insurance and paid leave. The Mega International Greedy Heartless Corporation is making too much money, right?. And at the expense of American workers!!!!
Newsflash: Walmart is not in business to be a social experiment, a non-profit, the Red Cross, nor is the Evil Walton Family in business to loose money. Ah, well. Nobody stays on top forever.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/district-leaders-furious-walmart-wont-build-stores-in-poor-neighborhoods/2016/01/15/3425f5fa-bbb3-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

rl crabb

Thanks for your answers, Mr. T. I still find it hard to believe that mere containment would satisfy the repressed neocons on the right. In a war of civilizations, you'd really need to go all the way to permanently end the threat. Plus it would provide us with material for some heroic movies and a shitload of country western songs.

Todd Juvinall

Al Queda attacked and murdered 28 in Burkina Faso in West Africa. Two men and two women. Many more wounded. The French and BF forces killed the slime. Yhey killed non Muslim people, many black animists and many aid workers. They killed non Muslims foreigners.

So Africans nations are in this too. Oh and they killed a five year old little Italian girl.

George Rebane

rlcrabb 704am - "mere containment" of Islam has worked since 1683 (Battle of Vienna). Western countries were able to trade with, say, the Ottomans and Persians for centuries as those empires waxed and wanes within their regions. It is when Wahhabism awakened in Islam the Quran's dictum to establish the caliphate and Muslims learned that conquest can be launched with colonization, that Islamist international terror became the next practical weapon of choice to achieve the Prophet's wishes. We could return to those days (maybe).

Todd Juvinall

The PC crowd and the phony outraged "anti-bigots" never admit the Islamic believers are a warrior class and used war and conquering armies to gain land and people. This has been their modus for fifteen centuries. These PC types think the Islamics are a recent issue. That I blame on the education system and the guilt the PC idiots feel for anything. Conservatives have to resist these lame efforts by the PC crowd to tun over our civilization to these killers.

fish

Some lefty aren't complete idiots.....apparently sometimes it helps to have your nose rubbed in reality!


"Zeman, a 71-year-old leftwinger and the first-ever directly elected president of the Czech Republic, has repeatedly spoken out against the surge of migrant and refugee arrivals in Europe.

Earlier this month, Zeman claimed the influx was masterminded by Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood which uses money from several states to finance it in a bid to 'gradually control Europe'."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/czech-leader-says-muslims-impossible-integrate-europe-152159208.html

fish

It's okay....I'm sure that at the end of the abuse all parties "left as good friends"!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400783/Group-Syrian-Afghan-migrant-boys-sexually-assaulted-three-girls-Austrian-school-MONTHS-police-notified.html

Gregory

"The word I used was bigotry, not racist." -RL

Well, let's see. Your post at your sandbaox was that of a 19th century toon, an older white man with a gun standing over a dead black toddler telling them they had to die else they rule over the old white guy... then you added the sentiment, "The More Things Don't Change..."

Where is it black children are being murdered by whites fearful of black supremecy. Ferguson? Chicago? Drop the innuendo. Not long ago, Tarantino made a direct charge that Michael Brown was murdered by police in Ferguson... does RL Crabb agree?

January 9, 2016 at 6:26 pm

Trumpers have no problem flaunting their racism in public… https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/08/muslim-woman-escorted-out-of-trump-rally-in-south-carolina/

Perhaps because you grew up in lilly white Grass Valley you missed it, but blacks and latinos are among the most bigoted populations in the US... I even recall a survey of SoCal students that made the news when I was in college because journalists without a clue were so surprised by the results. Black, white, latino kids were asked about a large number of stereotypical claims (one I remember was "Mexicans carry knives")... and the white kids were the least racist. Working summer job printing telephone books at a Times Mirror Press factory, one latino pressman (think foreman) if he got pissed off at a white college kid there for the summer would yell, "ARE YOU A CHOO!? (Red Sea pedestrian's Christ Killing past still rankling some)... it's just that racism (or bigotry if you will) of subgroups are given a pass.

Blacks and latinos don't mix well, either. A melodic lecture by a prominent UC Santa Cruz professor lays down the basics here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI


Bill Tozer

FISH @ 9:48am with it clouding up

Fish, Fish, Fish. Just a little corridor pushing and some course language that was dealt with swiftly, right? Yep, dealt with by hoping it never sees the light of day. Guess the Internet is changing the way we communicate.
What puzzles me is why bother even posting these daily updates. This happens everywhere Islamic "refugees" go. Everywhere, everyplace, and it is not new. Hardly. It's in their DNA. Don't see the Iranians doing that, now do we? That is because they are Persians, not Arabs. Nothing to do with ISIS or Muslim. It's the Arabs, stupid. :)

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 17 January 2016 at 10:43 AM

Just find it beneficial to remind everyones favorite political pundit......"MARK THE TAPE".. that just because he has a few domesticated models with whom he lunches and is provided the opportunity to demonstrate his "fabulous open mindedness" that there is a reason that the cultures from which they originate are nearly completely dysfunctional. The link above is just one example. New Years in Cologne and Rotherham are others.

This is the culture (broadly Middle Eastern) that he thinks will benefit Europe!

rl crabb

I lived among blacks in a foreign country called Atlanta for many years, Greg, so I got to see racism close up. You appear to be in denial that there has been a resurgence of that attitude since 2008. Social media has a lot to do with it. Stuff that never would have been seen or heard in the old media is accessible to everyone with a phone nowadays. To be sure, the left exploits and exaggerates to further their agenda, but to say that it isn't fueling some of the anger in Trump's troops would be akin to sticking one's head in the sand.

Bill Tozer

Fish. Yep, a bunch of boys (young hormone raging single males) who are unskilled and a large percentage illiterate in their native tongue will cost more to house and teach to read before even attempting to master the German language than what the economy will gain...opps...that should have a trigger. Excuse meeeeee. Call you say permanent ward of the state?
Here is my solution: Bailiff, wack his pee-pee.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8amtq5aXRL8

Bill Tozer

Ok Mr. Crabb, we all have some racist or bigoted pre-judgement attitudes toward different tribes and even amongst ourselves we pick on the fat guys, some more than others. Just like Jesse Jackson walking the dark street one night and heard footsteps approaching rapidly from behind. He turned and was relieved to see it was just some "white guys". We size up folks to see if they appear to be bad guys or good guys, or nice guys or someone with an attitude. Are they the kind you take home to Mamma?
A few of us acknowledge it and take a look at it and don't ever deny it. Gotta take the first step from an honest starting point. Accept, change, elimate. ACE.
But, no fooling you. Busted! You are on to us! We can run but we cannot hide. :)
http://politistick.com/loony-leftist-luis-gutierrez-republicans-want-all-minorities-eliminated-video/?utm_content=bufferd1ad3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Gregory

RL, were you sober enough in your Atlanta days to share a few examples of the black on [some other ethnicity] bigotry you, in retrospect, could share? They're probably big Clinton supporters now, don't you think? Does that make the Clinton campaign racist? Take your time.

"To be sure, the left exploits and exaggerates to further their agenda, but to say that it isn't fueling some of the anger in Trump's troops would be akin to sticking one's head in the sand. "

It's fueling the anger in all of the camps... that you're singling out Trump and used, as your example, an uncorroborated and unquoted insult supposedly heard by the Moslem lady who, despite being told "no protests", took her protest to inside a Trump venue, placing herself as wallpaper behind the dais, and got the supposed insult as she was being led away.

That was your "racism" example. RL. Weak propaganda at best. All candidates get racist and/or bigoted votes. Playing gotcha! should be beneath you.

Seeing "racism" in all the candidates because you can cite some journalist who was told that a supporter of that candidate was mean to someone who was a protected minority is dirty pool.

Regarding Tarantino, he was over the top with his anti Cop bigotry and the Cop unions are taking credit for the weak box office for H8ful Eight. I'm not folllowing the Unions, did it on my own.... I can wait for Netflix of Amazon to get it.

rl crabb

Was I "sober" enough? End of conversation, asshole.

Gregory

I guess the answer was no. I love you, RL, but you don't get a pass, either; you seem to be in denial that, since '08, there's been a resurgence of playing the race card against anyone who doesn't support President Obama.

If you're going to make the claim (as you did) that killing blacks is an example of the more things change the more they stay the same, you ought to be able to make a real case for it. However, it's been pretty much the case that 90% of black murders are by other blacks for a very long time.

Gregory

Regarding Rose Hamid, the protester at the Trump ralley whose ejection was cited by RL as racist... reading the comments in the WaPo piece, it seems Ms. Hamid has been protesting for awhile, and sucessfuly cleansed local schools of Silent Night, Joy to the World and Jingle Bells a decade ago.

http://www.catholicleague.org/christmas-is-the-new-c-word/

Todd Juvinall

Funny how someone can call people vile things without proff, like racists and bigots and when called something they take their ball and go ome. Come on let's keep talking. I ws very intrigued by the back and forth of Gregory and RL. I did not know RL was as sensitive to criticism since that is his stock and trade.

Bill Tozer

"I was very intrigued by the back and forth of Gregory and RL." Me too.
Boy, this is awkward. Hmmm.
Hey, now that the stupid Denver game is over, we can all get ready for tonight's Dem debate, at 9 EST on a Sunday night during the middle of a three day weekend after the NFL playoffs. Darn, I don't have TV! Always a silver lining.

Hey, hey. That be a double hey. How about a little diversion until the group hug materializes, you cuddle bugs, you.

Diversion:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/777546672379372/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/snarkygirls/photos/a.175897435929985.1073741828.175892569263805/655275291325528/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/ZGWZombie/photos/a.160169914009600.41289.126800900679835/1259286424097938/?type=3&theater
Go Broncos, 18" of snow fell overnight @ Steamboat Springs, always a good omen.

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