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24 April 2016

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fish

Was told that certain leftwingers are now sowing hate and fear because Oath Keepers have been detected in the county.

Yes....whether it's typos, substituting "college" for "colleague", or people with guns welcome to another "What's jeffy afraid of Sunday"!


(hint - it should be heart disease)

fish

"It’s hard to believe that this clown administers a “Tech Test” to our local kiddos. If only more of our community’s parents read his blog!"


Clown? You haven't looked in the mirror recently. You're a single grease paint accident away from a lucrative gig with Ringling Bros.

fish

jeffpelline says:

April 24, 2016 at 10:01 am
No word from “fish” about his latest screw up. He just keeps on ticking, though — like the little Energizer bunny rabbit.


Well certainly not on your site. There's that progressive impulse towards censoring things we don't like again isn't it jeffy?

Bill Tozer

Hmmm. Sounds like the lyrics to an old Frisco Band. Something about chasing White Rabbits.....or was that Jeffried in Wonderland? Just in time for a fresh sandbox to start anew.

Todd Juvinall

Pelline is truly a loon. Now he is threatening me with lawsuits again. LOL, or should I say ROTFLMAO?

George Rebane

Last night the NC Republicans held their Spring Dinner fund raiser at the Alta Sierra Country Club. It was a well-attended affair. Local luminary and friend to these pages Todd Juvinall was also in attendance, and gives a fine accounting of the evening on his blog.
http://sierradragonsbreathe.blogspot.com/2016/04/law-enforcement-and-ncrcc-gratitutde.html

Gregory

We again have a Purple Royal Flush!

Every single comment at the FUE's is by the FUE himself! It’s hard to believe that this clown thinks actually believes his political bigotry should drive math or science education.

Fortunately, virtually none of our community’s parents read his blog!


Bill Tozer

Pride is a prison and hate has blinded many a person. Political bigotry?? My, that is a nice diluted way of putting it in the best possible light.

Russ

Oh NO! This poll is not going to make jon a happy camper.

Gallup: No interest in Clinton even among Democratic women.

Women are increasingly turning their noses up at the 2016 election, including Democratic women despite the likelihood that their party’s nominee will be one of them, according to a new Gallup survey of the gender gap in those closely following the election.

Women have never paid as much attention to the current race as men, but Gallup found that the attention gap has expanded in recent months.

Once just two points apart, in February, the gap is now 13 points and is seen in both Democratic and Republican ranks as men continue to be engaged in the election dominated by news coverage of Republican Donald Trump.

Well, the ZOMG they’re coming for our lady parts! hysteria has worn off, but expect new efforts along those lines. If it’s mostly men who vote in November, Hillary’s doomed. --Glenn Reynolds

Bill Tozer

Sunday filler.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=998607976885344&set=gm.1131830416880929&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/639953439488215/?type=3&theater

Thank you Indiana, Pennsylvania, California, Rhode Island, Delaware, and whoever is next up. From sea to shining sea.

Gregory

"[Charles] Koch, one of the most influential and controversial forces in Republican politics, said in an exclusive interview with ABC News to air Sunday on "This Week" that he believed Bill Clinton was a better president "in some ways" than George W. Bush.

"In other ways, I mean [Clinton] wasn't an exemplar. But as far as the growth of government, the increase in spending," Koch said. "It was 2.5 times [more] under Bush than it was under Clinton.""

Charles, Charles. Clinton had Newt Gingrich as his dominant speaker, while Bush II had Hastert and Pelosi, not to mention 9/11 taking down the world trade center and, for a time, a bipartisan popular war to clean out Al Qaeda's center in Afghanistan and later, other Middle Eastern terrorist sponsors... including Iraq... whose regime change calls were voted in by the Senate with Clinton's blessings.

Not to turn this into a Bush II love fest, but let's not tip our hat to Bill Clinton when it was Gingrich that dragged him kicking and screaming into his only real Presidential successes.

George Rebane

Re Gregory 1254pm - From this I deduce that Mr Goodknight does not consider among Clinton's "real Presidential successes" his lurch toward HillaryCare, and that he was able to successfully avoid coitus with Monica with a simple workaround.

Walt

Any bets? One of "Burnie's kids" or rabid establishment elitist progeny?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/24/man-arrested-charged-with-threatening-to-bomb-trump-rally.html?intcmp=hplnws

My money is on a "Burner brat", since his family went to the Trump rally.
Mom and Dad most likely told the little sh*t he needed to get a job, and join the real world.

Russ

Yo, jon:

More than 60,000 disgruntled Pennsylvania Democrats switch parties

Details HERE. Why? So they could vote for TRUMP!

Gregory

Since Hillarycare turned the House of Representatives over to the Republicans, and no significant legislation was passed, it seems no one thinks it was a Bill Clinton success.

I'm not sure Bill's success with Monica stands up to JFK's success with Marilyn... much more Presidential!

George Rebane

Russ 450pm - Not sure that these Dems want Trump for prez. Their vote could simply be a strategic one that helps pair Trump and Hillary, which contest they believe Hillary will win, especially as they again register as Dems for Nov.

Russ

Re Gregory 1254pm Lets not forget that President Bill Clinton had multiple opportunities to get BL before he could plan the 9/11 disaster and muffed it multiple times. Clinton failed to lead. Bush, on the other hand, took action where actions were needed. Yes, there were WMDs in Iraq, some went to Syria and some were buried and ISISl is now digging those buried WMDs up for future use.

Sorry, lefties with Bush Derangement Syndrome, take two aspirin and two glasses of water and you will feel fine in the morning.

Don Bessee

Dr. R, In the weeks the Republican HQ has been open in Nevada County there has not been a day without independents and Reagan dems re-registering as R's. I have been in the HQ every day for weeks on end with only a couple of days out in the field last week and can say there were none of those game players you describe. I had one who would fit that bill but she got cold feet and failed to complete the process. This primary cycle is breaking the historical pattern and in my voting life. The fact CA is in play alone is a game changer for us. Its gonna be a fun ride into November! YES ON W!

fish

I swear I think Lucy from "Peanuts" lives in your fair burgh.


"jeffpelline says:

April 24, 2016 at 6:31 pm

Nevada County is spending more than $650K in its latest contract to promote economic development, which includes drawing college-educated millennials to our community. Meanwhile, the county is becoming a haven for citizens militia groups, global warming deniers and other right-wing extremist philosophies. The message being sent comes through loud and clear: college-educated millennials go home! What a tragedy.


I think he'd rather stay in and fuss.

fish

jeffpelline says:

April 24, 2016 at 6:56 pm

I think “fish” is becoming my shadow — or more like gum on my shoes. He copies and pastes my post to the right-wing nut blogs faster than a New York publicist. LOL.

UR funny jeffy...the little ray of flabby sunshine that brightens all our days.

Gregory

I've not seen him in the corpulent flesh for awhile... is Pelline still in the running for fattest man in Nevada County? Does Frisch still hang around him to feel thin?

Here's some possibly bad news for the self-styled voice of the Millennials... the Christian Science Monitor isn't sure the past voting patterns of the whippersnappers was a shift... they might be the new swing voters...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0408/Is-Bill-Nye-right-Could-Republicans-win-Millennials-on-climate-change

George Rebane

DonB 615pm - From your mouth to God's ear.

Todd Juvinall

Pelline is truly unhinged. He and Frisch are attacking our Sheriff and veterans now. This is truly sad. Alinsky patriots.

Bill Tozer

They are blinded by hatred to any who may disagree with their worldview and have the gall to voice it. Plus, they really really hate to be ridiculed. That sends 'em into a tizzy. US knuckledraggers are getting too uppity. Heck, some are even sneeking off the reservation! There outta be a law.
I am enjoying the silence. Jon Jon is having a tough weekend. The Pope reneged on taking in Syrians stuck in lesbos, Frisco folks protesting the Feds Parks for being mean to Fido, New Mexico suing the Fed Fish & Critter Depart for trying to release more wolves in the State (without telling anybody) and tens of tens of thousands protecting O in Dutchland. Oh yeah, London told him to butt out.
Our jon needs to rest up after sleeping it off. His skin is turning kinda yellow. Not good.

Todd Juvinall

Careful BillT. Pelline is now stalking me on Facebook. Even involving my daughter. The man is so creepy. Should I call the Sheriff?

Gregory

...but isn't it nice when Jeffie and Stevie are playing in the FUE's sandbox? "Jon" goes away. Nap time.

fish

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 24 April 2016 at 09:43 PM

I think he wants to be your big brother Todd. He sounded so concerned. That you might be saying and thinking unapproved things.

Todd Juvinall

Fish, you may be right. He needs a SS on his lapel. Bad talk, no good.

Todd Juvinall

Oh and he thinks a couple of potheads dissing me on FB concern me. I would suggest they are the reason Peeps took the pot thread down. We sure have some loons in our community along with the FUE and Frisch.

Brad C.

Charles Kock also saying that Hillary could be better than the rest of the presidential candidates...

Brad C.

Sorry, Koch

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Hillary does have the 1% vote locked up. And the felon vote. And the arabs that love to kill gays support her.
She's way more crooked than Tricky Dick. What's not to like? I love reading the articles in DK and Salon about her. The American Left is finally reaching their Rubicon. Draw up a list of everything the left claims to hate and Hillary can check off just about every box. Yet, they're going to have to vote for her in order to get the Supreme Court pick next time. Fun times.

Brad C.

Sounds like she will also get the American Right as supporters...

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"Sounds like she will also get the American Right as supporters..."
Sure Brad. You go with that.

Brad C.

Just sayin', since Koch is on the fence, and many others in the Right cannot stand Trump, Cruz or Kasich.

Todd Juvinall

The R's will come together for a victory. A lot of this is posturing.

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"Just sayin', since Koch is on the fence, and many others in the Right cannot stand Trump, Cruz or Kasich."
Brad can't name a single conservative who has declared they will vote for Hillary, but thinks that Hillary will get the 'American Right' as supporters. Not sure I even want to try to figure out that sort of reasoning.
They may not like the current front runners in the Republican primaries, but that's a long, long way from 'supporting' Hillary.

Patricia Smith

Uh Oh, did anybody read the Union this morning? Seems like one of the members of the Narcotic Task Force has been accused of falsifying search affidavits. I actually hope that this is not true as I like to think our law enforcement officers play by the rules since they are weighted so heavily in their favor to begin with.

Bill Tozer

This is from The Donald and myself to all dear readers and our own Mr. Fish:

https://www.facebook.com/LostPinup/photos/a.218142224868866.65635.218141808202241/1359075030775574/?type=3&theater

Bill Tozer

Well, if Koch is going to support Mrs. "I stole the White House furnishing because we were broke" Clinton, then what is Harry Reid going to talk incisively on the Senate Floor. Somebody done stole Harry's thunder. At least the White House missing items were returned....under threat of prosecution. I now feel sorry for Harry. He never had much worthwhile to say anyway, but I feel his pain.

Bill Tozer

My, this was a no brainer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/austrian-government-shock-far-triumps-202442510.html?ref=gs

Just look at this way, liberals:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/834386136695425/?type=3&theater

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 April 2016 at 12:16 PM

Bummer....."Sorry, this content isn't available right now"

Russ

It does not look like those San Francisco Values that our local lefty blogger is promoting are working out too well for the citizens of San Francisco.

San Francisco Torn as Some See ‘Street Behavior’ Worsen:

Recent data from the F.B.I. show that San Francisco has the highest per-capita property crime rate of the nation’s top 50 cities. About half the cases here are thefts from vehicles, smash-and-grabs that scatter glittering broken glass onto the sidewalks.

The city, known for a political tradition of empathy for the downtrodden, is now divided over whether to respond with more muscular law enforcement or stick to its forgiving attitudes.

The Chamber of Commerce and the tourist board are calling for harsher measures to improve what is euphemistically called the “condition of the streets,” a term that encompasses the intractable homeless problem, public intravenous drug use, the large population of mentally ill people on the streets and aggressive panhandling. The chamber recently released the results of an opinion poll that showed that homelessness and “street behavior” were the primary concerns of residents here.

Why Are Democrat-Run Cities Such Cesspits Of Rampant Lawlessness And Violence? We are lucky to have some Republicans in charge in Nevada County, let's keep San Francisco Values where they belong in the City!

Bill Tozer

Russ @ 3:30 pm

"large population of mentally ill people on the streets and aggressive panhandling."

No worries. That is just a bunch of progressives campaigning for reelection.

Russ

As a counter argument to my 03:30PM post the FUE writes:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States, By Dr. Eric Ostermeier September 16, 2009

Note the data is seven plus years old, if that is the best the FUE can do, we are winning the cultural arguments of values. Democrat-Run Cities are Cesspits Of Rampant Lawlessness And Violence. I wonder of the FUE can come up with a list of Republican cities that are cesspits of lawlessness and violence that exceed the standards set by the Democrats. I predict crickets will be the response.

Michael R. Kesti

Russ 25Apr16 05:58 PM

Are "Russ" and "Russ Steele" the same person?

Don Bessee

We had a patient making their medicine blow up their house in Alta Sierra today, the butane hash oil explosion left the house over 3 feet off the foundation. Total loss, thank God for the Fire station in AS that is manned with the brand new fire engine that was paid for by an AS residents donation. Its right on Alta Sierra dr. and with a slower response could have taken the neighborhood if it got hold in the trees.

Bill Tozer

Throughly enjoyed reading Boardman's column. I think he was trying to make a point, but I could be wrong. Take that you Southerner Hater! Snob. Good column anyway. Didn't think the man had it in him.
Now, if Mr. Boardman could just write a column about Georgia. You know that state that has a couple dozen klansmen left out of the couple hundred stil around nationally. Locally, I don't see the need for Measures A-Z myself. Don't set the future in stone. Probably won't vote. Wait, yes I will. Have to cancel somebody's vote out there. Best reason to vote.

Bill Tozer

Yo Walt. My Gal vs Take No Lip Trump: dead heat. It's only April and I smell a movement. Steve, no pun intended.

https://mediarelations.gwu.edu/americans-overwhelmingly-engaged-2016-election-tone-race-affecting-voters-new-gw-battleground-poll

Russ

Michael R. Kesti | 25 April 2016 at 06:28 PM

Yes, we are one in the same.

Bill Tozer

Catch 22 for My Gal
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/04/25/napolitano-hillary-facing-catastrophe-whether-she-is-indicted-or-not/

Don Bessee

Sadly a child was badly injured in the butane hash oil explosion.

Bill Tozer

Darn. Knew that would happen sooner or later. A badly burned child often looses her parents as well in an explosion/fire. A double whammy that breaks my heart. Luckily all are alive I pray.

fish

Trump: Americans will thank me when Lena Dunham flees to Canada


You may not like Trump.....but you can't argue with the likely results. I might actually have to vote this cycle!


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-ill-do-country-a-great-service-by-winning-if-rosie-leaves-222437#ixzz46wAvhsxB

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 April 2016 at 10:02 PM

It's just a sign of progress William. Finally....... after years of needing to wait for politicians to assume their office and then do something questionable and underhanded......modern politics has finally evolved to the state where politicians are installed pre-disgraced.

Truly a wonderful time to be alive!

Michael R. Kesti

Don Bessee 25Apr16 10:05 PM

As of 6:07 this morning (26Apr16) KNCO is reporting that the cause of the explosion and fire is unknown and that there were no injuries.

Russ Steele

Oh NO! This is not going to make jon and his fellow travelers happy, but is encouraging news for Republican's across the board.


Election data compiled by Breitbart News on the Democratic Party’s primaries and caucuses in 2016 and 2008 show that turnout in is down significantly, nearly 20 percent, from the last contested election.

The data also show that the about 4.5 million fewer people have voted in the Democratic presidential contest this year versus 2008.

Ugly details here: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/26/exclusive-data-analysis-democrat-turnout-collapses-4-5-million-nearly-20-percent-2016-versus-2008/.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Kesti @ 6:13am. KNCO just said a child sustained minor injuries when a TV fell on the child due to the explosion. A 2,500 sq foot house totally destroyed. That must have been a big quick fire. I am relieved no one was hurt.
On a very windy day with good gusts, it is weird that there was an explosion of this magnitude. You would think that a gas/propane leak would be more likely on a still calm day in an enclosed space. Who knows at this point? Maybe the residents had to close the windows and doors because of the wind....

Michael R. Kesti

Bill Tozer 26Apr16 06:53 AM

Yes, I heard the later report about the falling television.

Bill Tozer

Mr. Steele. Jon will not be happy that you cited Breitbart.com, not the contents of the factual article. Shoot the messenger, never the substance of the message. Oh course Hillary in 2016 does have that enthusiasm gap that was hidden by Obama's surge in 2008. Gawd, imagine having that voice on your living room TV for the next 4 years. Makes me want to postpone ever getting a hearing aid. It's not a woman's voice I dislike. Some women sound like a delightful bubbling brook when speaking. Inticng. Nay, is not a woman's voice that is fingernails on the blackboard...er...chalkboard to me. It's That Woman, Ms. Clinton's voice, I find one big turn off and turn it off ASAP. Coughing fits do help.

Russ Steele

I am sure that you all remember Michael Mann's endorsement of Heidi Hall for District ! Supervisor. Well, it was a big deal over at the FUE's blog. I was watching a Mark Steyn interview this morning where he discusses Michael Mann's misogynistic attacks on women scientist in the field of climatology, specifically Dr Judith Curry who has been critical of the science behind Mann's "Hockey Stick."

The full 28-minute interview is HERE: https://youtu.be/L7wQp0Ir5Vc

Ben Weingarten, commentator and Founder & CEO of ChangeUp Media sits down with Mark Steyn, international bestselling author, political pundit, cultural critic and hardened climate change dissenter Mark Steyn for an in-depth interview. During their discussion, Weingarten and Steyn discuss the chilling of free speech by the climate alarmists and their enablers in the political and legal system, the stakes of the defamation suit filed against Steyn by climate scientist Dr. Michael E. Mann over a critical blog post, why it is the scientific community that resembles a racket rather than demonized “Big Oil,” the misogyny of the “climate cabal” and its attack on Dr. Judith Curry, the parallels between climate supremacists and Islamic supremacists, why the West should celebrate increasing levels of carbon dioxide and much more.

Interesting interview, well worth your time to watch.

fish

"Obamacare disaster will be Obama’s enduring domestic legacy"



Yeah.....I don't really believe the story either as it comes from one of those sham news sites that our lefty participants here so rightly mock and deride!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamacare-disaster-will-be-obamas-enduring-domestic-legacy/2016/04/25/a8c09b38-0ae4-11e6-8ab8-9ad050f76d7d_story.html

Todd Juvinall

KNCO is reporting at 11:30 AM there may be a criminal act regarding the house fire in Alta Sierra yesterday. Suspected "honey oil" lab. Now who was the person who dissed Don Besse about this? A low information person apparently?

Todd Juvinall

Oh and thanks to BillT I posted his link to Mark Steyn (climate disruption) on NC Peeps. Already loons are attacking.

Don Bessee

Todd, the haters are just mad that RR got the scoop.;-)

Bill Tozer

Todd @ 11:39 am. You are most welcome, but one teenie weenie itty bitty fly in the "atta boy" ointment. It was our own Made Made Global Inferno Denier Mr. Steele that dug up and posted the reference to Mark Steyn's fine link. You are welcome on behalf of the entire Steele family and friends.

But,Mr. Russ is on to something:
"the parallels between climate supremacists and Islamic supremacists,"

Excellent timing. Walt could have told you so. Liberalism equates to tyranny.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/swedish-greens-jolted-by-claims-of-islamist-infiltration/2016/04/26/6e30ee88-0ba6-11e6-bc53-db634ca94a2a_story.html

Brad C.

“In our eagerness to embrace a diverse and multicultural society, we have turned a blind eye to undemocratic views,” said Gulan Avci, a Stockholm city councilwoman for the Liberals, a center-right opposition party.

Say what? If liberals are considered center-right, what is center left? They must do things differently in the land of the midnight sun.

Walt

Thanks for the plug Bill, but some have to learn on their own.
Yet Progressives are doing the same damned thing here.

My kin in the "old country" sure are not happy. They don't like the multi-culty crap, and what it's doing to their way of life.

George Rebane

re Walt's 132pm - People who study colonization and fifth columns tell us that historically when an unassimilated cohort in a country gets to about 5% of the population, then all bets are off on the natives attempting to keep their culture and form of governance intact.

Walt

You got that right our good Dr. Us locals know this well. When the hippies got chased out of Frisco in 1969, they stumbled up here in their stoned stupor. They didn't like our "living off the land" way of life. (mining and logging etc.) When they told their Berkeley kin about life up here, it was all down hill. Just like in Sweden, take over the political seats, because that is where law is written.

Todd Juvinall

If I have a really good tan and want to move to Sweden will they let me in?

Gregory

Here's a blast from the recent past by "Jon", very probably the Former The Union Editor, Jeff Pelline.

Walt, what's your take on the horrible act of Domestic terrorism today in Ohio? - 8 innocents killed by likely white redneck suspect or suspectss with guns. Mass terrorism. Perhaps restrictions on white redneck behavior and associated weaponry is warranted. I'm sick of hearing about these types of atrocities in our heartland and rural areas.

Posted by: Jon | 22 April 2016 at 09:48 PM

Still no arrest(s), but we have heard the dead were riddled with as many as nine bullets apiece, and there were large commercial pot grows and evidence of cockfighting associated with the locations. This wasn't terror, this was likely about the family business.

Sorry, "Jon", you'll just have to wait for something else to confirm your bias.

Bill Tozer

Todd, you got to get rid of those unsightly bikini tan lines first. Try sunbathing, then apply for the visa.

Gregory: Jon had not come up for air since Mr. Walt told him he has a grunt sandwich for a brain chip. That's all it took. Too easy. Walt even forgot to add that the line about the best part of Jon ran down.......

Walt

Yup, that "jon" is a real piece of work. Sorry gents,, I had enough of his TROLL garbage, and "snapped". Blame it on the hard apple cider injected pork loin I cooked up that day.
Maybe all the alcohol didn't cook out of it. Good thing I wrote that down! Goood stuff.

Now Trump is running the table tonight. Just maybe the voters will throw a dead skunk into the contested convention planing room. But I'm sure some dirty tricks are still yet to be played.

As for Hillary,,, she is every man's ex-wife. (even if you have never been married) Who in hell wants that sitting in a position of power? Who can even handle sitting through one of her screeching speeches?

Patricia Smith

The honey oil lab explosion in Alta Sierra is just the beginning of more to come. House fires will increase dramatically as more folks are forced inside due to overloaded electrical panels. Entire grow houses will spring up again. It certainly made more sense to move the grows onto larger AG parcels than allow them in every residence in Nevada County.

Way to go Don! Since you like to take credit for getting the outdoor ban enacted, you must be so proud. I'm sure your neighbors will line up to thank you too. You cured a problem that didn't exist in Alta Sierra.

Walt

Todd. Now worries about being pail as a ghost over there. That's just the way things are.
Even the older Swedish women are drop dead gorgeous.

Don Bessee

Butane Hash Oil production in a residential area is a Felony as it should be. This is a despicably shellfish practice to do in a neighborhood with kids in the house. There is NO evidence in any of the areas that have had restricted outdoor grows of those problems you are claiming. Look at Roseville, it has restricted outdoor for a number of years and has not seen what you describe. Neither has Sac and so on and so on. No one is buying that line of bovine scatology.
Hell, SAMs club in Roseville has an all in the box indoor grow house, UL approved plug in the wall with LED lights, fans etc. Your own industry has already answered the call from the other half of the state that has restricted outdoor grows. They even have units for apartments now that they say pay for themselves in a year.

You are right about one thing and that is all the folks thanking the team that worked on this over and over and over again.

Todd Juvinall

Thanks Walt 6:11PM. I like those tall viking women. LOL!

PatriciaS, why so ridiculous? You can't make your argument on the facts? So when a house blows up from butane cooking honey oil it is DonB's fault? Jeeze, your logic is missing as much as some potheads I have heard. Talk about baiting with a dumb argiment. Try Peeps.

Patricia Smith

Don knows I abhor BTO under any circumstances. It is not medicine and the process to make it is extremely dangerous. I was talking about the dangers of house fires that are started from indoor grows and how that endangers a neighborhood. We worked for years to get rid of these grows because they are dangerous and produce substandard medicine.

http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-163/issue-6/Features/the-hazards-of-grow-houses.html

Jon

Hay Greg, 4:20, you're really not very bright, are ya?

Don Bessee

That's the best you got pattie? A 6 year old article that is really about the problems for fire fighters dealing with bootleg grows? How about some stats from the restricted Counties in CA that support your contentions, you aren't providing that because it does not exist.

Small grow with modern low energy lighting presents no threat to the community. Its the fill the rented house with a ton of lights in what is an illegal commercial grow that is a problem, not a small personal grow for a qualified patient.

Walt

The TROLL is back.. Right on time... Stalker.

Don Bessee

Todd, you will have to forgive Pattie, she is still pissed off that the Cal Growers exec director and not her got invited to the League of Women Voters debate forum on Measure W. May 19th 630pm at the Rood Center BOS chambers.

Paul Emery

Bessee

What ideas do you have that would help law enforcement curtail illegal honey oil operations such as you attribute as the cause of the explosion and fire?

Bill Tozer

My, that Dump Trump plan didn't work. Back to the drawing board. Not even close.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/640890076061218/?type=3&theater

Wonder what Main Street media has to say about this? Hmmm, nice ice breaker.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-trump-reaches-50-percent-support-nationally-first-time-n562061
Good thing the Dems are running a weak candidate, weaker than Windsurfer Kerry, Helmet Head Dukais, Burger Belly Gore, or Martin O'Malley. A walk in the park.

Gregory

"Jon", you were the one hallucinating terrorists in Ohio and both your writing style (such as it is) and your bogeymen are indistinguishable from Pellines.

Don Bessee

First PE the world knows what happened at that house now, Sac Bee, KNCO even the Union has its story preview on line. We have been advocating for the end to bulk butane quart canister sales. There is only a legitimate home use for small quantities. Legit industrial users get it delivered in large armored tanks like you see used in commercial welding. Treat large can purchases like pseudoephedrine is, behind the counter and a purchase limit for adults only with a record of purchase is the recommended model. No one has a legitimate use for large can after can after can.

Bill Tozer

Ohio? All the signatures of a Mexican mob hit to me. You owe them money? They will kill your Mom and let you live with that on your conscious. Point blank executions, coordinated. Mexican hit I bet.

Now, music to my ears. Tonight's favorite quote.

"Meanwhile, Jamie Raskin defeated businessman David Trone and Kathleen Matthews, a former newswoman and wife of MSNBC host Chris Matthews, in the House Democratic primary to succeed Van Hollen."

Todd Juvinall

Another poison for the masses. Honey oil! The ingenious humans can turn anything into a mind altering substance. I wish people had the guts to say know and live their lives unfettered by this crap. We are so unique in the universe yet people give it up to see unicorns in their head. Amazing.

Gregory

Todd people do drugs like pot, hashish and honey/hash oil because they enjoy it. Where in the Constitution is there an enumerated power to criminalize it?

I recall Ben Franklin suggested beer was proof there was a god who loved Us and Wanted Us to be Happy. Why shouldn't THC compounds be in the same category?

Playing devil's advocate, don't get your panties in a.knot.

Don Bessee

Gregory the issue at hand is blowing up a building and burning down the neighborhoods.

Michael R. Kesti

Don Bessee 26Apr16 11:38 PM

Who made you the authority on what the issue at hind might be? I happen to think that Gregory has a valid and relevant point.

The fact is that many people enjoy altering their consciousness. This has been true for just about forever and is not likely to change. The War on the American People (AKA, the War on [some] Drugs) has been going on for about 80 years now and it has clearly made matters worse. It's about time to wake up and see that its time for controlled and regulated legalization, much as is the case with alcohol and tobacco.

You might already have heard that America used to be a free country.

Don Bessee

Tweakers are still Tweakers no matter your PC projection stuff K. What say you about the oh so entitled guy who blew up the house for some hash oil high? You might want to review the drug use rates post Viet Nam to now K. ;-)

Michael R. Kesti

There is nothing PC about my position.

I say the blown up houses are one of the many results of prohibition.

Would those post-Vietnam drug use rates include alcohol and tobacco?

Michael R. Kesti

I ask again, who made you the authority?

rl crabb

I can see the Yes on W mailers now...The charred remains of the honey oil lab...The scattered butane containers...Maybe a frightened child standing in the middle of it with a single tear falling from her eye. Yeah, I'm sure you'll play it for all it's worth. Problem is, you'll just drive the problem into more basements. In the end, you're just pissing in the wind.

Bill Tozer

The police blotter has had plenty of entries of discarded butane bottle piles, as well as many entries around the 800-1000 block of Sutton Way concerning illegal campers, found needles, and shoplifters. Nothing new. Honey oil may be new, but just another chapter of criminal activity.
Growing the marihuana plant inside a home is illegal, but does not stop people from cultivating in bedrooms, basements, and renting "grow houses". Measure W allows people to grow the marihuana plant in a permitted detached structure. Now, the cynic in me would proclaim (channeling PE) that is great for the local economy. Imagine all the workers building detracted structures with permits and inspected for electrical and structure safety by our building departments. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Contractors busy building with their crews, tradesmen busy wiring, digging solid fountains and hanging doors, lumber companies selling materials, concrete trucks busy, inspectors busy, property taxes rise due to improvements of added structures to the property.....a lot of jobs and income generated for the locals and county coffers. Well, that is how it looks on paper.
But, we will still have grow houses, taped up extension cords running on the ground to the falling down chicken coops, illegal campers and illegal campfires around Utah's place complete with drug activity and downright mean unfriendly panhandlers and shoplifters in that immediate area.
Don't matter what law is passed. Crank, crack, meth labs, honey oil labs are already illegal. Growing in a residence is currently illegal. Rape and assault are already illegal.
Mr. Crabb is right. It's just pissing in the wind as the law abiding citizens are sucking wind. There will still be homeless starting fires, people growing pot for profit on the black market, and Nevada City residents calling the police that someone stole their soul or they received a mental message from a long deceased friend trying to warn them about spirits hijacking their thoughts. Pissing in the wind, pissing against the wind.
Meanwhile, its another beatiful day in the neighborhood. The hummingbirds are really out in force in the flower garden this year and a bird had made a nest in a coconut I carved out and hung up near the front door. Ah, mother birdie has been busy packing it full of nest making materials as father stands guard from a nearby branch. Life goes on.

Todd Juvinall

I am pretty much a libertarian on most things but I have seen to many weak kneed people get addicted to a substance and wreck their lives and those around them. Funny how the reason California passed the "helmet" law for motorcycles in the 90's is they said the brain injured ended up as a expense to the state when they could not pay. Same for smoking cigarettes. So they passed those laws, all those good "liberals" running the State. Those compassionate liberals. Now we get to have drug court,hundreds of taxpayer programs for these addicted people and these compassionate liberals are aghast! No No, they say, it is a personal choice, keep the government out of it. OK, so when you weak kneed addicts need help, don't come ask the taxpayers for it. Ask the growers of the poison.

Brad C.

Honey oil processes are probably most commonly used to extract the active ingredients in MJ from 'waste' products of the plants such as leaves and trimmings. To me, the fact that extraction labs are in this area (beside the proximity to MJ grows) is partly due to the fact that sources of income for many folks and young families in the region are few and far between.
People see that there is an opportunity to make some money to support their families (even though dangerous and illegal), so they take the chance, even though they don't really have the eduction or background, or money to do the extraction in a safe way, or in a more appropriate setting.
Reminds me of the 'bathtub gin' days of the other prohibition. I guess there are still alcohol 'stills' in the backwoods here and there.
As with alcohol, home brew MJ stills will probably mostly disappear when MJ is legal.
All the more reason to legaize and regulate it.

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