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12 June 2016


Russ Steele



Gunman Identified As OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN; Born To Afghan Parents...
Had Been Investigated by FBI...
Imam speaking in Orlando said gays must be killed out of 'compassion'...

Russ Steele

Oh my! This Islamic Terrorist was a Registered Democrat:

Russ Steele

Afghanistan Migration Surging into America; 99% Support Sharia Law

Between 2001 and 2013, the U.S. permanently resettled nearly 30,000 Afghan migrants on green cards. According to Pew, nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) support sharia law as official law.

As legal immigrants, these migrants will be granted lifetime resettlement privileges will be given automatic work permits, welfare access, and the ability to become voting citizens.

Between 2001 and 2013, the United States permanently resettled 1.5 million Muslim immigrants throughout the United States.

In the next five years, without changes to our autopilot visa dispensations, the U.S. will permanently resettle a Muslim population larger than the entire population of Washington D.C.[601,723]

The question is, how many of these new migrants are ISIS Terrorist like Omar Mateen? What would a little statistical modeling tell us about the threat to the LGBT community if 99% support Sharia Law?

Russ Steele

More potential terrorist?

The Obama administration has created a “resettlement surge center” which has produced a pouring of 100 Syrian refugees in the U.S. per day. The very real risk to Americans – the lack of proper vetting of these individuals by the quick processing that is being done, almost all of them reported to be Muslims.

Over 100 Syrian refugees have been admitted every day in June according to the federal government’s own database from the Refugee Processing Center. More than 1,000 were admitted in May. The rate of those admitted has sky-rocketed when compared to the 3,755 accepted in fiscal year 2016

More details HERE.

George Rebane

As predicted above, our Chief Community Organizer advised us to not rush to conclusions about the motivation for this attack, and ignore Mateen's screams of "Allah Akbar!" as he exchanged fire with the SWAT team. No doubt a random exhortation that could just as well have been, "Go Golden State Warriors!" as he was preparing to meet his maker. Anything more than that is just rushing to judgement.

Jon Dozer

OK, lets send troops to Afghanistan, and bomb the Taliban, ISIS and Al Q positions.

Oh wait...


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 12 June 2016 at 12:32 PM

I said "up" your game not flail around wildly saying stupid things.

Really....learn to listen, listen to learn!

Russ Steele


And, your solution to ISIS terror on our streets, in our neighborhoods, pubs and churches is? Please be specific, as this is a very important issue which needs resolution, and your insight may be the key to a long-term solution that I can support.

Jon Dozer

NO new solution Russ other than increased vigilance and security, devised by experts. The majority of Americans won't live a police state because of ISIS inspired terrorism. We're not going to put Muslims in containment camps, and we're not going to start deporting legal residents. This terrorist was an American citizen, same legal status as you and I. But you know that already.

Jon Dozer

All we know is that he hated men kissing each other, he somehow got a hold of assault weaponry, and he called 911 claiming something about ISIS. No direct link so far.


Steven Frisch

I suggest we become a secular fascist police state in order to save us from being a theocratic fascist police state.

Bill Tozer

I thought The Global Frying Like A Rat On A Stick crowd already brought us a theocratic fascist police state. Maybe secular would be an improvement.

All in all, this senseless tragedy puts a damper on the Pride Parades today. Sad day. And I disagree with the description of the mass murderer being a man walking around with a hate filled heart. No hate needed. It's just being a good follower of Sharia Law. A soldier does not need hate to do his job. Nay, hate only clouds judgement.

Russ Steele


• Tom Brokaw: ‘In this County,’ ‘Everything Seems to Get Settled by a Gun.’
• ABC Blames Orlando Terror on Election Rhetoric and Guns in America
• AP Calls Orlando Terrorist Massacre ‘Just the Latest Mass Shooting’
• Media Matters: “The NRA made anti-LGBT attacks during their annual meeting just weeks ago.”
• Yahoo: “Bernie Sanders Just Nailed the Real Culprit Behind the Mass Shooting in Orlando…Sanders explained to Chuck Todd on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday, the real culprit, according to Sanders, is gun control — or more precisely, lack thereof.”
• Kansas City Star Editorial Writer Yael T. Abouhalkah: “Dear God: Today I am so sickened by the evilness of the NRA and gun industry. May their leaders be plunged into ever-lasting hell. Amen.”
• Jeffrey Goldberg: “Obama cautious on motive of shooter because caution is required until the investigation advances.”

More evidence that George nailed the responses.

Bill Tozer

Well, well, well. Looks like wefinally done found ourselves a registered Democrat voter in the bunch.

Ah, another registered Democrat voter:
Wonder what Hillary has to say: probably something about inanimate objects:
Ok, this is what I my noggin sez:

Ok, enough. One for the road: at least "they" ain't blaming us Native Ametican savages.


Posted by: Steven Frisch | 12 June 2016 at 01:23 PM

I suggest we become a secular fascist police state in order to save us from being a theocratic fascist police state.

Don't worry....you're getting your wish.


"Obama: ‘We’ are to blame, not Islamic terrorism, for massacre"

This would have been so much more convincing if there had only been a foreign dignitary around for him to bow towards.


Todd Juvinall

It does appear Frisch is hoping so he can wear that arm band in public. Dozer of course is and has no idea of how to deal with these killers. My goodness, he said more of the same! Jeeze he must be running for office.


I would think a Frischian winning strategy for Hillary would be to double down on the Supreme Court... she'll do the right thing for America's future by packing the Supremes with jurists that don't think there's an individual right to own and carry guns. Revisit DC v. Heller.

Then criminalize the possession of any semiautomatic pistol or rifle. Get rid of the icky things.

Go Hillary!

Bill Tozer

My Gal has teamed up with Obama to stop the racist Trump. What possibly could go wrong?



Now, let's see how the liberal mind interprets this homophobic incident.

Does that mean it's our fault.....sorry, I meant it's all my fault. I was the One Armed Man on the Grassy Knoll outside the disco....in sundry and various places around the globe. At least I did not burn down the new 11 million dollar refugee housing building like the Islamics did to kick off the Holy Month in Getmany. Something to do with not enough ethnic food. Bad Germans, bad.
I may not responsible for Florida, but I am accountable in the liberal mind. Gotta blame anyone besides the ones directly responsible.. Blame those right wing wackos. Works everytime....like a charm....until Citizen Trump arrived on the scene.

Russ Steele

This is the reality:

A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that the 2nd Amendment does not give people the right to carry concealed weapons in public, according to the Associated Press.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco voted seven to four in favor of a state law obligating gun owners to demonstrate "good cause" when applying for concealed carry permits, the Los Angeles Times reported. The judges did not address the larger issue of whether or not it's legal to openly carry a firearm in public.

My question? How many people could have been saved if several, more than one, had a CC Weapon in the Pulse nightclub and responded to the shooter? Your thoughts?

Russ Steele


I wonder if being on the ISIS hit list would qualify a person for a CCW permit for self-protection? Probably not in California.

Bill Tozer

I have said it once, I will say it again. Our enemy is Sharia Law. That is Islam. Whether you say Muslim or Islamics or even ISIS, it's all boils down to one thing that cannot co-exist with democracy or civilized values; the enemy is Sharia Law and those that embrace it. Islam is Sharia Law, nothing more, nothing less. The rest is just window dressing. That is why 3 days ago an Oman said to kill gays "out of compassion." Makes perfect sense to them.


Bill Tozer

Here is a liberal mind interpretation.


Bill Tozer

Ah,this sounds like our sock puppets. Birds of a feather.


George Rebane

BillT 638am - In spite of the few cases the ACLU pursues in favor of conservative values, their overwhelming thrust is to promote the Left and denigrate/diminish the traditional culture of America. Your find again illustrates this Mr Tozer, thanks for the heads up.

It is in these times of social crises where the Great Divide shows its true scope and magnitude.

Gary Smith

CNN calls this "Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History". Being the "amateur" U.S. Historian I guess they have forgotten about how many mass shootings of American Indians happened in the West, especially in California during the gold rush days. While the Indians were far from perfect there were many mass shootings where whole villages were wiped out and 100s were killed. Those facts do not interest the majority of CNN viewers, but this shooting is not the worst, pretty bad though. Here is a Wikipedia list and you can just forward to about 1850 see some of these from California. I guess the "worst" is just a matter of opinion.

Patricia Smith

Guys, you don't have to worry about HRC will taking your guns. She is all talk to get elected, but she always sides with the money. Not that I intend to vote for her, but it does look like she is going to take the prize barring an indictment.


The solution is obvious- Donald Trump!

Seriously though, no one blamed right wingers for the massacre (maybe some responsibility aimed at 30-round capacity- or 60-round if you duct tape a couple banana clips back to back- "deer" guns) - but this site is quick to make it all about what liberals did, or did not do.

I guess you hadn't heard the guy was a whack job who co-worker said was the reason he quit his job - he must have thought the guy was a loose cannon.
Also, his wife divorced him and said he was definitely disturbed.

But because he invoked the "I -word" it becomes all about that.


Posted by: BradC | 13 June 2016 at 10:47 AM

That's less coherent than you've been recently Brad.

Russ Steele


• New York Daily News Blames NRA for Orlando Shooting.
• Planned Parenthood Blames ‘Toxic Masculinity’ for Orlando Attack.
• Media Attack Guns, Men, Christians, GOP Instead of Islam in Orlando.
• William Saletan of Slate: Trump’s Response to Orlando Is Exactly What ISIS Wants.

It’s comforting to know that America’s newsrooms and television studios are flooded with experts who know ISIS better than ISIS itself!


I tell you it's comedy gold Jerry.....!

"Democrats are now telling us that anyone under FBI investigation can't be trusted and might be a threat. Hmmm…"



Brad, do you think HRC's bodyguards should be limited to 7 round magazines?

Russ Steele

Political Correctness is going to kill us all if we continue to follow our progressive leaders to their politically correct abyss.

Co-Worker: Orlando Terrorist’s Employer Ignored Unhinged Comments For Fear Of Being Politically Incorrect.


As usual. Blame the gun first. Not the POS who pulled the trigger. Where would the blame fall if he used a tractor/trailer full of gasoline and just drove through the front door?

Now here the news about Dear ol' Dad? He has no love for the U.S.,, so why in hell is he here?

Bill Tozer

Russ, political correctness s already killing us in too many areas to count.
Rumors are buzzing about and no doubt some information will be proven false, revised, clarified, or expounded upon. News today say the shooter's father was an unabashed supporter and sympathizer of the Tailban. They be a ruthless bunch, beheading kids for playing soccer, so it may be plausible.
Here is a rumor or maybe a fact. We will know for sure in a few days if people still care.

Now, this one is not a rumor at all. It is a fact. Today's favorite headline:



I can't help but notice that the usual suspects have not yet repeated their calls to ban guns... the kids at Sandy Hook were still bleeding when Stevie and Jeffie were vowing to travel to Warshinton and help Hillary get 'er done.

Could it be it's dawned on them that they really *don't* want to make the upcomin' a referendum on the 2nd Amendment?

Too late, it will be.


Since our Lefties demand "proof" but refuse to find it on their own,,


Greg, are HRC's bodyguards buying civilian or military arms? I don't have a problem with "professionals" using whatever gets the job done.


Really Brad? So what your saying is that guns should only be used to protect politicians, by gov "professionals"? And they can't go off the deep end and nut up?

Bill Tozer

Afternoon Walt. I suppose this is the wrong time to ask how your shooting competition is going on. Smiley face. Ok, let's get down on it.


Boy, My Gal is something else.

Jon Dozer

"Now here the news about Dear ol' Dad? He has no love for the U.S.,, so why in hell is he here?"

Its a little something called being a US Citizen with all its attending rights, like you.

thanks. Happy to help.

Jon Dozer

BTW (stands for "by the way") Walt,
The domestic terrorist father expressed disdain for gay people. A large chunk of the religious right, ie, a large chunk of the GOP far right, are in full agreement.


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 01:51 PM

I don't recall seeing any GOP members....far right or not gun down 50 of them recently. Did I miss something?


That's a good one "jon".. Why come to a place that you hate? "Daddy" is an immigrant.
He has no love for the U.S. yank his "citizenship" and send him back. BTW.. Did you read the story? He's anti gay.


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 01:51 PM

He's anti gay.

Doesn't matter Walt.....Muslim outranks gay on the Proglodyte Hierarchy of the Aggrieved.


Brad, so having a Samurai class that are allowed weapons is your choice? Professionals are OK?

Curiously un-American. And the shooter at PULSE was apparently a trained professional.


Fish. The "jon" is in a pickle. Which side does he choose? He IS our resident Muslim here, yet uber LIB (in the gay camp). Decisions ,decisions....

One more thing for the "jon" to explore. He needs to look up the definition of treason.
We can't prosecute the killer since he's already dead. But Pops still should be, since his anti U.S. views can be considered treasonous. What happened to the oath he took to BECOME a U.S. citizen? ( is that meaningless "jon"?)

Jon Dozer

"...since his anti U.S. views can be considered treasonous."

Really? I think your vile comments about the President, gays, and the progressive future of our country are treasonous as well. You really don't understand civil rights and the protections under the First Amendment, do ya Walt? Its OK to admit your failings.

Jon Dozer

Walt, since it was W and Cheney that set the conditions for the creation of ISIL, perhaps you can add them to the list for a Treason prosecution, in addition to War Crimes. Much more appropriate.

Todd Juvinall

No Jon, OPbama created ISIL when he pulled out the troops. You are insane.


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 03:02 PM

Really? I think your vile comments about the President, gays, and the progressive future of our country are treasonous as well.

Wow....hyperventilate much?


Your really going off the deep end there "jon". I have NEVER made ANY disparaging remarks about gays. Better get your warped mind looked at.
yup,, "O" has pushed his own bounds to the point of treason. He HAS given aid and comfort to our enemies. He has allowed our boarders to be over run. But no LIB will stand up and say so.

Bill Tozer

Nice diversion of the topic. A Islamic purposely murders gay people because it's OK according to the Religion of Peace. Once the wounded recover, they will be killed next. Just following standard operating procedure in the Sharia Law Islam World. It's their world view. I ain't a colon cowboy or a carpet muncher, but you don't see me or anyone from Nevada County, Modoc County, Alturas, or Sierra County killing gays solely because they are gay.
What's next? Moral equivalency to....lets see here....so many choices....hmmmm...to other potential terrorists labeled by Homeland Security such as law abiding white gun owners, white veterans, Christians, white Christians, white Christian fundamentalists, white Christian Evangelicals, Tea Party Patriots, Conservatives (white and non-white), and the worse of the whole bunch is those horrid sympathizers of the State of Jefferson. They be the real problem. Opps, forgot the residents of Penn Valley.
Actually, this is not a diversion of the topic at hand. The topic at hand happens to be The Liberal Mind Interprets Florida, Etc.....


mark the tape mark the tape :)

"Jon Dozer" just blamed (3:05) the Orlando massacre on Bush and Cheney.

Ya can't make this sh*t up!

Bill Tozer





Now, the bottom lines is this. An attack on the gay community, IMHO, is an attack on us all. And attack on members of the public service sector in San Bernardino is an attack on us all. An attack on marathon runners is an attack on us all. An attack on unarmed military recruiters or Fort Hood is an attack on us all. And attack on private sector workers iin NYC is an attack on us all.

Send to me by a old friend, a retired Navy Chaplin: (Yes, he is old, white, conservative, and Christian, gasp!)


Jon Dozer

All I know is that you boys are all in with this madman Drumpf. But he's your madman. Arresting neighbors who don't report for arrest suspicious neighbors....hmmm. A sick fascist who's getting worse. Watch for another tide of un-endorsers in the next several days. And best wishes.



Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 03:55 PM

It's funny.....a fair number of beltway types think she will be more bellicose. If her history is any guide they're probably right.

Jon Dozer

Gregory, proving yet again he's not as bright as he thinks...knows that I didn't blame Orlando on Bush and Cheney. I blamed them for the birth of ISIL. Yes, as did millions of others.


"Nothing matters. No one cares. LOL.

Do you know why Donald Trump is defying the odds, defying the predictions of doom and defeat? Yes, by the time this runs, the people gleefully thinking that the tempest in the margarita glass that is the whole Trump U judge thing will FINALLY BRING DONALD DOWN! are going to realize, once again, that nothing matters.

No one cares.


Someone else came up with the “Nothing matters. LOL” formulation to describe this election year, and he deserves a nice shiny quarter, unless he is a Hillary Clinton fan in which case someone should smack him for supporting that cancer on our Constitution.

And he can also thank himself and his idiot ilk for helping bring us to this point. Without the avalanche of distraction, hypocrisy, willful ignorance, and outright lies that the liberal elite and their human centipede press corps employed over the last few decades to ensure their corrupt, mouth-breathing, and/or perverted Democrat heroes are never held accountable, Trump would not be possible. We might still care about quaint things like character, competence, and not being a loathsome piece of human refuse.

But we don’t. Not anymore.

Hillary’s formulation of “Nothing matters, no one cares” is just a little different. For her, it’s “What difference, at this point, does it make?” You know, that comment she made when some congressmen – not including any Democrats – tried to hold her to account for getting four Americans killed and lying to not only their families’ faces but to our faces about it.

And the people who aren’t in Hillary’s trick bag are supposed to care that Trump’s a jerk?

They don’t, by and large. Sure, Trump makes what we conservatives all agree is a distasteful comment insinuating that a federal judge’s rulings would be governed by an inherited characteristic, in this case his ethnicity. The mainstream media goes nuts at how horrible Trump is for assuming that an inherited characteristic might govern someone’s actions in public office. Then a day later, the media experiences a collective climax over the fact that a woman has been nominated, and they think it’s great because that inherited characteristic will govern her actions in public office.

Programs! Programs! Can’t tell what’s good or bad today without a program! Actually, you can – if someone outside of the liberal elite does it, it’s bad. How dare Trump accept and employ the tribalist premise of modern liberalism!

It’s not that those willing to vote for him agree with Trump’s babbling. It’s that they’re not going to jump on the feigned outrage bandwagon du jour anymore.

You know, a lot of people are kind of stupid – look how many Bernie stickers you see even as the news is reporting that you have to bring your own Charmin to socialist Venezuela – but, in general, people pick up on when they are being lied to. Is color/gender/ethnicity-blindness a thing, or is it not a thing? We’d like it to be a thing, but not just when it’s convenient for the commies.

That’s why nothing matters. That’s why no one cares. It’s all lies, it’s all cow crap from top to bottom. LOL.

Is sexual assault bad only when President Pantsuit’s nominal hubby isn’t the one committing it?

Are we still doing the rule of law? Anyone who spent 15 minutes in uniform – including a Cub Scout uniform – knows that if 5% of what’s been reported that Hillary Clinton did with classified info is true, anyone else would be in Leavenworth making intimate new friends. But to liberals, no biggie. What’s a few felonies involving national security between progressives?

Yet a bunch of suckers voluntarily paid some school Donald Trump licensed his name to and we’re supposed to lose our minds? Gotta say though, many of us are just not feeing the care. We can’t muster up the energy to enforce rules that no longer exist. We have learned that all that matters is winning, that the only truth is power.

Beyond that, nothing matters, no one cares. LOL.

Marc Rich’s pardon? Whatever. Pay for play at the Clinton Foundation? Meh. Some of those innocent farmers and shepherds the Army locked up at Guantanamo for no reason got let go with Hillary’s OK and then killed a bunch of Americans? Boring! Instead, let’s lob Her Thighness a softball question about how she’ll feel to be the first woman in the Oval Office while a Clinton is president who is there to work.

You have the left shifting the paradigm, dropping any pretense of adhering to norms and customs (much less actual laws) in their quest for victory. You have a GOP Establishment that can’t, or won’t, see that willingly taking on a 50-stroke handicap by pretending that this is the good old days means always losing. You know, during Watergate, Nixon was doomed only when the evidence convinced the Republicans he was corrupt. They then did their duty and told him to walk out or be carried out on a rail. But can anyone imagine any scenario – no matter how far-fetched – where the Democrats travel to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and say to the Commander-unIn-Carcerated “We and the Republicans are going to have to impeach you if you don’t resign”?


Oh no, Mark Kirk’s tender sensibilities are offended because Trump said an American was a Mexican! Let’s review Quirky Kirk’s actions in response to the Obama administration giving guns to drug cartels that actually killed actual Mexicans: _______________________________.

Uh oh! In shocking development, Lil’ Lord Lindsey Graham is once again instructing us on how we fail to meet his exacting standards for decorum and rectitude and stuff. Isn’t he the one who ostentatiously voted to confirm the “wise Latina?” So ridiculous stereotyping gets rewarded when liberals do it, but if an opponent of liberals does it then we’re morally obligated to … wait for it! … effectively support the liberal who makes ridiculous stereotyping the centerpiece of her campaign?

Hypocrite much? We’ll pass on that creative moral formulation. Sheesh, like we need lessons from a grown man who you can’t look at without imagining him in a little blue sailor suit, grinning and gripping a lollipop.

Did you think people are blind, that they don’t see the hypocrisy? Did you imagine that their collective sense of duty and propriety would endure forever the assault upon them, with the lies rubbed in their faces day after day, year after year? Did you expect that they would never get fed up and raise up a vulgar, orangey middle finger?

In depressing times like these, it’s weirdly appropriate that a mopey vegan leftist like Morrissey sums it up best:

Oh, what difference does it make?
Oh, it makes none.
But now you have gone.
And your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight.

Bigotry is bad. No wait, now it’s supposed to be good, but only if liberals do it? Then it’s mandatory. And assaulting women is bad, but if you are cool with killing women in the womb, you get a pass? Down with Wall Street, and pass the check?

All lies. All hypocrisy. And you expect us to keep dancing to your tune, ready to be outraged on cue? No, the time of the exploitation of our vestigial morality is over. We can know it’s wrong and still not give a hot damn.

We have seen the truth that is power. We have seen everything else is lies. And now we will embrace the bringer of vulgar retribution. We will cleanse with his orange fire, burning the village it never took to raise a child in order to save it. Because, at this point, what difference does it make?

Nothing matters.

No one cares.




Damn "jon",, your memory that short? "O" is the Father of ISIS. They were born under his watch, and solely on his actions. Is was "O"'s bright idea to pull ALL the troops out, yet was warned beforehand that vacuum filler would happen. Remember? "O" was pro Muslim Brotherhood. "Arab Spring" and all that horseshit. "O" let the Middle East burn.
Blame your own before others there, nut job......

jon smith

Todd 3:06
"No Jon, OPbama created ISIL when he pulled out the troops."

ISIL was created in 1999 by al-Zarqawi. Obama wasn't president for another decade. You are an embarrassment.


One more thing there "jonny boy", The Middle East was in stable condition when Bush handed it over to "O" and his stupidity. Forget the first free elections? Fingers in ink? (might want to google that for a refresher.)

Your anger is sure showing.


Ah,, Smith... Only "O" and Co. use the name "ISIL". The rest of the world including the raghead extremists go by ISIS.
You too need to get the facts right.


Your LIB administration at work.
"Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC) submitted its Countering Violent Extremism report to Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Jeh Johnson. The report instructs the DHS not to use any language that might be “disrespectful” to Muslims, including (but not limited to) the words “jihad,” “sharia” and “takfir.” "


Do tell how using political correctness to fight a war is a winning proposition?

Todd Juvinall

NO "jon" you are simply wrong again. But you are so easy to rile when your favorite Muslim gets tweaked.

Jon Dozer

"The Middle East was in stable condition when Bush handed it over to "O" and his stupidity." Walt

That is THE single most idiotic statement you've ever made Walt.

But I understand- you saw that big Mission Accomplished banner with W grinning ear to ear.


Poor "jon"... Think you can rewrite history here to fit your needs? Not work'n.
Your memory that piss poor only after 8 years?
Your BDS is kicking in.

George Rebane

So here is the Left in full bloom. Readers get accused of "treason" for criticizing the president. And they (e.g. BradC 1047am) show their deep knowledge of Islam as they characterize Mateen as a "nut job" without a clue that 90+% of Muslim men behave exactly like our homegrown jihadist toward women and express precisely those kinds of sentiments about those they consider the enemies of Islam. Mateen was brought up in a native Afghani household, and learned proper Muslim manhood at his father's knee. What our parochial and politically correct progressive elites see as improper behavior is completely normative in the overwhelming fraction of Muslim households around the world.

Todd Juvinall

"jon" is your typical liberal who wants it both ways. Don't criticize his Islamic pals for their murdering ways here and don't diss them for their "homegrown" lives. Without assimilation and obedience with the oath to be American, these people are simply on vacation here.

jon smith

Todd- Are you disputing the FACT that al-Zarqawi had built the ISIL, ISI, etc. framework and announced its presence and heirarchy in June of 1999? It is so well documented that if you deny it it, you belong in the chem-trail, smart meter crowd.

Jon Dozer

He will dispute any fact if it plays to the fascist party line he supports.

Jon Dozer

It all comes down to the fact that Madman Drumpf cannot control every event in the world like he is used to in his family business. This ain't a situation where the CEO can control everything he sees fit. He's gone into an ignorant blind rage because of it, without a second of intelligent thought and contemplation. Fortunately he will never get near the Oval Office.


Uh oh.....rhetorical quiver is empty when he plays the "fascist" card.

Jon Dozer

hey fish, the words fascist and Trump have been used approximately 100 million times today on the internet. Get used to it.

Bill Tozer

So, the American Afgan kid is not as bad as Bush/Cheney? Gentlemen, when you come to and find yourself up to your neck in mud and still sinking, the first thing you ask yourself is "How do I get out of here?", not how did I get in here?" So, how do we get out of this mess without being lured into a trap over there? Phase one: stop them in the West as they lose the homeland. Otherwise they will be bigger here than there.
We will never stop the lone wolfs. Take away their guns and crockpots,and they will use remote controlled toy parts to set off bombs (like the failed attempt) in San Burdo, CA, the state of which many readers here reside.

Talking nice to them hasn't worked, neither has going away. Inviting the Brotherhood frequently to the White House hasn't worked well for us neither...but not for them.. They like it this way.

Jon Dozer

I asked if you buys think we need to start invading or bombing again yesterday and was told by Russ to get serious. So what would you do, realistically? Haven't heard any realistic ideas come out of your rabid mouths. Perhaps take a lesson from the adult in the room- Hillary.


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 07:10 PM

Hey Dozr.....the words Kardashian and classless have been used 100 million times today. Get used to it.


Not really the way you try to spin it there J.Smith.
Not until "O" "talked to our enemies" and made plenty of apologies, then removed our forces did the ragheads grow a pair.
LIBS love their revisionism.

In the meantime, "O" and Co. can't ship enough of the same mindset from there, to here.

Love the cricket fest to my questions above.


Dr.R@549 - Actually, yes, the guy was a nut job. If he is not, then all Muslims are a danger to the West. Since it is not the case that all Muslims are a danger to the West, there has to be something about this guy that is not 'normal'.

Jon Dozer

The NYT nails it tonight. A great summary to end the evening.

Many factors appear to have contributed to the slaughter at the Pulse nightclub, the worst mass shooting in modern United States history: a vicious and virulent homophobia; a failure to identify and intercept those with histories of domestic abuse or threats of violence; a radicalized strain of Islam that works daily to convert angry, disaffected people everywhere into mass killers...
All of these demand a response, yet none has a simple fix. One other factor, however, does. It connects the massacre in Orlando to those in Charleston, Aurora, Newtown, San Bernardino, Oak Creek and Chattanooga; at Virginia Tech and Fort Hood; and more places: easy access to guns, and especially to military-style weapons built for the sole purpose of killing scores of people in a short amount of time...


Brad. How come we didn't bring in Germans by the boat load during WWII? Only a "few" were of the Nazi line of thinking.
With LIBS, PC has taken the place of common sense.

And to numbnuts "jon". NOT bombing them back to only being able to throw rocks has worked out swell. A token missile strike on one or two guys (the current head of the gang) has been really cost effective. There are three more, just as bad if not worse to take their place. Now they are using OUR hardware we gave to the local governments.
Maybe the day will come that LIBS like you will evolve to gain a brain GOD gave geese.

Jon Dozer

Uh oh.....rhetorical quiver is empty when fish plays the part of a myna bird, with words changed to reflect right wing thinking.

Do you own assault weapons there fish?


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 13 June 2016 at 07:58 PM

Nope .....never felt the need.

Ok Dozer...you and the Times (hah!) have convinced me...go ahead and ban those scary, ugly rifles.....I won't try to stop you.


And the "jon" was trying to defend "Dear old Dad."

Yup he made these anti gay remarks AFTER the fruit of his loins did the killings.
Not vary "American" in my book. How bout your "jonny"?

Todd Juvinall

"jon" do you own any guns?

Todd Juvinall

Are you a vet?

George Rebane

BradC 727pm - Impeccable logic; I surrender.

Bill Tozer

Kerry says what we need to do is get people together. Wonder if he meant the dead ones as well.



And the beat goes on:

What we have here is a failure to communicate with Liberal Interpetions.

Bill Tozer


Boy, that Trump seems to catch all the breaks. Go figure.

Well, at least we know where the real threat is coming from. The Dems nailed it.

Russ Steele

Let's see BradC at7:17PM, if we follow your logic then all these horrendous acts were committed by nut jobs, by people who are not normal?

The MUSLIM bombing of Pan Am Flight 103!

The MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993!

The MUSLIM bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon !

The MUSLIM bombing of the Military Barracks in Saudi Arabia !

The MUSLIM bombing of the American Embassies in Africa !

The MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE!

The MUSLIM attack on 9/11/2001 !

If these act were committed by nut jobs also, then we have more than an average number of nut jobs running about. Could it be that studying the Koran and accepting Shari’a Law as the word of God makes Muslim's radical nut jobs committed to killing all of us non-Muslims should be considered not normal? If they are not normal, then they do not belong in the US.


LIBS will hire anyone to put in our government.

"One of the sitting members on the Homeland Security Advisory Council’s (HSAC) Subcommittee on Countering Violent Extremism is a 25-year-old immigrant of Syrian heritage who said that the 9/11 attacks “changed the world for good” and has consistently disparaged America, free speech and white people on social media."

Now that the camel is out of the bag, think the enemy will lose his job? Don't count on it.


We know how the LIBS love to use the line,,"If it saves ONE life"..,, well,, if Pops was never allowed to enter the U.S., look at all the lives that would have been saved.

Someone else wonders why Pops is here.

Russ Steele

The Question of the day for our lefty friends: If Muslim Terrorist Doesn’t Represent All Muslims Why Does He Represent All Gun Owners ?

Todd Juvinall

Drudge is reporting that the killer's ex girlfriend is claiming he was a homosexual. And he tried to date a male in HS> If true then how does that square with the Union's lesbian's article today?

Todd Juvinall

Oops, it was his ex-wife.



The Orlando shooter sounds more like an angry, self-hating gay, racist, sexist with a failed marriage under his belt than a "Radical Afghan Terrorist" (RAT). He used to go to the gay club and drink alone in the corner, or get really drunk and belligerent.
He also was signed up at online gay dating sites. Hmmm...

Muslim preachers and teachers can and do practice discrimination against gays and women and can also promote violence against non-believers. You see the same thing with some Christian rednecks.

You take the sexual orientation denial component and mix it with the Muslim redneck attitude and some piña coladas, and - Bam!

Trump thinks if his Muslim ban was in place, the Orlando shooter would not be here..except for the pesky fact that the guy was born here.

Bill Tozer

There are 11 Muslim countries where the penalty of being a homo is death. Over 100 million Ahabs the ArabS live under the death penalty for being a queer. Looks to me this is a mainstream run of the mill Muslim thing, not an extremists or radical ISIL thang. It's the Muslims, stupid.


“There’s just within the wonderful group of Islamic people are certain group of radicals and it’s been there for a long time and it seems to be growing and we have to accept that fact,” said Sessions.


Posted by: BradC | 14 June 2016 at 06:59 AM

The Orlando shooter sounds more like an angry, self-hating gay, racist, sexist with a failed marriage under his belt than a "Radical Afghan Terrorist" (RAT). He used to go to the gay club and drink alone in the corner, or get really drunk and belligerent.

Yes....as more info emerges the picture changes. We should have learned from watching oh so many "point and shriek" failures by progressives (Aurora, l'affaire Giffords, etc) on their endless quest for "The Great White Defendant" not to jump to conclusions. Also...under the "proggie rules of argument" the shooter can't be considered a racist.....only white people get to be racist!

Now since this was simply an instance of gay on gay violence there is really no need to pursue additional gun control legislation as this is an internal issue within the homosexual community.

This is good Brad....I think we've made real progress here today.

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