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15 July 2016


Don Bessee

The Turkish military has had enough of the ISIS coddling PM Erdogan and have mounted a coup. Historically the military has been the protector of the secular constitution in Turkey. If they pull this off you could expect a tougher line on ISIS and muslum brotherhood.
Getting a strong southern NATO partner against jhihadis again could be a big help. Then you have the whole issue of them no longer letting masses cross to continental Europe without vetting.
Anyone want to make odds on the coups success?

Todd Juvinall

So if a common, regular vanilla Muslim apparentl;y unaffiliated with a terrorist group can and wants to this horror. To me that says any Muslim can do this. That is truly scary.

Bill Tozer

Don, no bets on that one...just yet.
The Turks see the Kurds as the biggest threat to their homeland tranquility. Erdogan was been decrying ISIS with one side of his mouth and allowing ISIS safe passage with the other.
Middle East politics are complex. The good guys fight the bad guys one day, and the next day the bad guys are the good guys, and then the following day the good guys join forces with the bad guys. They change alliances and sides like a watchful mother changes an infant's diapers.

No wonder they call them Islamics "a den of thieves". Ali Babba and his forty thieves is an apt description.
Read somewhere that the Turkish army is the 4th largest standing army on Earth. That is a heck of an eye opener, even if that figure is wrong and they only the 6th. Big big army, situated between the ragheads and Europestan.
Egypt has a big standing army, enough to crush all the folded little sheet heads Palestinians in a few hours if they wanted to. But, if the recent events of the military controlled Egypt kicking out The Brotherhood (and executing all members of the terrorist organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood) is any indication, then, Mr. Don, the Turks may have a coup on their hands.

Just two things I have to know before placing bets:
1) Is the Turkish military widely respected and trusted as in is Egypt (a minor consideration), and
2) Who will Obama side with? E or the military? That is the major consideration, the biggie if you prefer. Whichever side Obama throws his weight behind, that will be the losing side in this bet. Obama has a stellar record of cuddling up to the losing side. His batting average for picking the wrong side is a thousand. My money is the on the one who Obama does not support.

Easy money, like shooting fish in a barrel.

Don Bessee

Turks do have one of the numerically biggest Armed forces in the world. This guy has been a pain to us for years, denied transit to our troops in the past and only recently let us base attack aircraft to use against ISIS. The former (?) head has been inching toward muslim dictatorship. Purges of judges and military officers have not played well.
The final straw was perhaps the recent announcement that he was giving citizenship to the 3 million Syrians refugees in Turkey, that would give them votes in Turkey (sound like someone we know?)
Historically the military has been the secular foundation of the non-muslim government since Ataturk.

Bill Tozer

Holy smokes Don, I just checked the news! It's going down and Obama got caught with his mom jeans around his ankles again. I thought you were more or less poiising a possible situation after reading the tea leaves. The situation is hot and fluid

NATO is the big prize for E. Turkey and the Russians have not been playing nice with each other. Iran is right there, with Russia being Iran's trading partner. Europe needs Turkey to stop the flood of the little folded sheet heads, and....blah, blah, blah. That is just foreign policy. What's doing down right this second is all domestic stuff. Will the bottom line result in an hard line Tyrannical Islam State or just a typical Arab Kingdom with quasi friendly ties to West????
How will this end? Will Rita get her boyfriend back? Oh, the drama.
Did read this a couple of days ago, but it didn't mean much to me besides a possible overture to Assad. In hindsight, were new domestic coalitions and alliances being formed? A coincidence, at message to neighboring countries to chill?


Guess we just got to wait until the killing is done to yap about "nation building". Good time to sneak a "populist revolt" in the mix, but I doubt they have any true power or care about the anything but their crack at the throne. Attacks, counter attacks....military vs police, all hell done broke out.
Last man standing? Hmm, I got a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong.
How unified is the military, or is the military having mutiny in their ranks...need to know how big of a fissure is growing in the military, if any.
Shoot Howdy, Don. Yesterday France, today Turkry. This makes me hungry for a big ole Po Boy Sandwich.....a honking big Po Boy.
Well, usually this is when the dog days of summer begin. But, then again, this is 2016, the year of "The Convergance."

Don Bessee

BT- The interesting wrinkle in Turkey is that the military is constitutionally charged with the protection of the constitution. The Turkish prez has been jailing tons of media and shutting news outlets recently so that has 0 siding with suppression of a free press. The coup statement talked about the restoration of secular democracy. High stakes, if they screw up the coup look for a full blown islamist govt. in Turkey.

Bill Tozer

Meanwhile, as we await with Turkish Tobbacco Breath for the results to come in, how about a small diversion of "Opps" moments:



So "O" isn't pleased with the uprising. That tells me the overthrow is a good thing.
"O" is like "jon". wrong on every level.
The Turks are sick and tired of the pro ISIS crap from the gov.
"O" might be worried, that the U.S. citizens might do the same.

Don Bessee

Starting to sound like the Turkish coup is fizzling out.

Bill Tozer

Yo Walt!

Remember Mom of the Year chasing her son out of those street protests in Baltimore?

She's back!

Obama's advice to an earnest sincere question? We need safer schools, after school activities, more band and shop classes, blah, blah, blah. He just threw it all on the the schools.

Yo Obama, if the schools had any money, they would have the stuff. Instead, those where the things they had to cut to stay afloat.

Well, poor Mom. Looks like she will have to hang tough and go it alone. I see another Trump voter in the making.


Presidential approval polls have gone south for our President

If this continues Hillary will have a rough time convincing swing voters.

Russ Steele

Following the Nice France attack the Diplomad 2.0 had a few strong words for President Obama.

President Obama, Islam is an existential threat to us and to our allies. Period. It seeks global domination. It will use openly military means, e.g., the ongoing battle in Syria and Iraq, guerrilla/terror means as we have seen on our own streets, and use our tolerance and belief in diversity against us.

You, the ostensible leader of the West, have failed miserably to identify the enemy and, of course, to develop a strategy, a total strategy not just a few bombing missions in Syria, to defeat this enemy. In fact, you have acted in a manner that makes many of us feel, wonder, and think if you're not rooting for the other side. You even go out of your way to encourage Middle Eastern Muslims to emigrate to the United States. Why?

How many more innocent people must die? It's Islam that is killing them.

President Obama you are a disgrace.

More HERE!

Jon Dozer

"The Turks are sick and tired of the pro ISIS crap from the gov."

Walt, pretty comical to watch you espouse your theories, as if you know anything about Turkey. Fun stuff to see.

George Rebane

Here's an interesting bit of reaction to a comment I left under 'France Reveals Details on Attacker in Nice' in today's online WSJ (something I do very rarely). My comment read -
Perhaps I'm not the first to notice that the WSJ has finally started genuflecting to Team Obama's rules by not mentioning the most salient fact about the terrorist, i.e. that he was also a Muslim. Apparently connecting the labels 'Islam' or 'Muslim' to the overwhelmingly predominant fraction of terror attacks is now considered a gratuitous correlation and most certainly politically very incorrect. Are we yet sufficiently contrite as a nation?

I wasn't aware that other WSJ readers could 'like' my comment. Email notices of all the subsequent reader likes are pouring in. In a 1,000+ comment stream when I added mine, it is remarkable that my observation of WSJ's moral turpitude was indeed something new. Jo Ann said 'Don't get a big head' ;-)

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane @ 9:03 pm.
Not bad, not bad at all.
Years ago, in another time and space a poster named GG said "correlation does not equate to causation" or along those lines. I never forgot that. Is that what Obama is saying, is it Dr. Rebane?
Tell Jo Ann not to worry about the Swollen Melon Syndrome....... Yo, Doc, why don't you celebrate your attaboys by cracking open a bottle of bubbly with a dull Samaria sword? See, Jo Ann, big head long time no come see, lest he forget. Smiley face,
Now, what would Obama do? Helpful hint: it's an one word answer.

@ 8:48 pm


rl crabb

You've gone viral, Doc!

Bill Tozer

FBI update: no evidence Omar from Orlando targeted the Pulse because of its clientele. No evidence. No evidence Omar ever had a gay affair. No evidence Ormar was gay.

FBI update #2: Scores of agents in Orlando still turning over every rock searching for that elusive motive.

FBI update #3: Dallas Police reported its conversation with the lucid shooter behind the pillar. Shooter said he wanted to kill cops, white cops, black cops, big cops, little cops, transit cops, lady cops, male cops, skinny cops, big cops, and cops. This was before that cute little robot was sent to de-escalate the situation.
FBI has not uncovered the motive as of this date.
Keep looking G-Men, you will find the motive in a month or two.

Don Bessee

It is funny that when they released the long awaited 28 9/11 pages the one who really got slapped was madam liar liar pantsuits on fires chamber maid, Huma. Her families world assembly of muslim youth is a terrorist front. Gee, didn't we have this conversation years ago about the muslim brotherhood?
Does anyone think that the R convention will ignore this? Hey, they could have a living Medal of Honor winner give that talk. ;-)

Don Bessee

Sorry, I forgot, mark the tape, thanks, drop the mike, fill in a 'jon' banality here.

Russ Steele

BlackLivesMatter is NOT Going to Like This New Harvard Study About Police Shootings by a black Harvard Professor

The study was commissioned by Harvard economics professor Roland G. Fryer, Jr. – who happens to be black – after seeing officer-involved shootings of other black men, notably Freddie Gray and Michael Brown. As he told the Times: “You know, protesting is not my thing. But data is my thing.”

His study surveyed 1,332 police shootings involving ten large police departments in the top three states by population – California, Texas, and Florida. The study spanned shootings from the years 2000 to 2015. Fryer and his student researchers spent over 3,000 hours compiling data from police reports.

Not only did the study conclude that there wasn’t any evidence of racial bias in officer-involved shootings, but police – who had not been attacked – were actually more likely to shoot white suspects.

In addition, it was found that there was an equal number of armed white people as there were armed black people who were shot by police. This flies in the face of those in the Black Lives Matter movement who claim that police are always shooting at unarmed blacks without provocation.

This isn’t the first time this issue has been studied. The Washington Post found that there were almost twice as many whites shot and killed by police in 2015 (494) than blacks (258).


The truth wins again, but you will not see it posted in the lame stream press or on Jeff P's blog.

Bill Tozer

Nothing to see here, just some rascally folks having fun. I, too, was wondering if a explosion normally blows off one's testicles and have them end up in one's mouth. Odd.


Shades of the video that caused the unfortunate chain of events to Grass Valley's own Chris Stevens in Benghazi ? Orlando narrative: Omar the American was a homophobe. Hate crime, all references to the Glorious and Merciful Allah scrubbed, witnesses did not really hear what Omar was shouting at people, saying, and spouting on his cell phone.
Just a hate crime targeting the gay community, right?

No torture happened at Bataclan, right. No knifes found, so no mutilation, right?
Maybe it was trick photography that done gouged people's eye out and did some female mutilation, right?

An Internet video caused Ambassor Steven's death, a married man struggling to comes to terms with coming out of the closet caused Orlando (well, guns caused Orlando) and a bomb blast did weird to bodies in France.
I think I see a pattern here, but I don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist....at least not before breakfast.

World Fest in town...the event got Yoga classes and demonstrations. Boy o boy, I would like to see that. Worth the price of admission.

Jon Dozer

Lets recap:
Drumpf and black voters..check
Drumpf and women voters..check.

Father Knows Best. Can't get whiter and more fatherlike than Mike Pence..:) Thats the ticket!


Jon Dozer

actually heading to Worldfest in a few minutes Tozer..:)


Posted by: Jon Dozer | 16 July 2016 at 08:08 AM

Plucked from the website of a very hard man.....

"Religious fanatics (that would be progressives like you in the instance "jon"), when emotionally distressed by an uncooperative reality, double down on adherence to their beliefs. We see this happening all over the West, as shitlibs and the cucks who lap their runny effluvia come to sound more like gibbering lunatics than sensible classical liberals as the mountain of evidence discrediting their kumbaya worldview crushes them into a brainless paste.

You have a good'n waddling around at "Worldfest buddy.


Bill Tozer

Mr. Dozer....Have fun at the World Fest/California Fest or whatever they call it this year. Truly, I mean it. There is more to life that what we gab about here. Try as we may, we still have not solved the world's problems....yet. I have already run the dogs by driving a couple miles down the ole country land....can't walk around for a few weeks now, might lose foot, but it does explain my extra time on Rebane's 5 star site. All in all, I have had bigger scratches on my eyeballs. :). I, for one, ain't going to waste money seeing ole sawbones, but that is just me......walk around the fairgrounds for me, will ya Dozer. Tanks, tanks a rocket.

About the horse race that Hillary will easily win, barring her bonking her head again:
Just a daily tracking poll from LA Times yesterday, which is nothing more than a snapshot of just one day...July 13th I believe. Nothing more, nothing less, just a date in time

Blacks: 3% Trump, 77% Your Gal, 20% say a pox on both your houses. Hey, better than O%. Always a silver lining.

Latinos: 30% Trump. That seems high, figured he would come in to the Convention @ 27% Latino, which is where he should be riding for awhile.

Now, the ole poke in your eye, Mr. Dozer:
Hillary takes the female voters, good majority. Trump takes the male voters, good majority. Here comes the but...but, but, but, Trump's % of male voters is larger than Hillary's percentage of margin of female voters.

Just let your mind extrapolate that . You got male and female voters. Just call it 50/50 or 48/52 of anyway you wish to break of the voters by gender. More dudes will vote for Trump than dolls with vote for Hillary.
Enjoy the free Yoga classes. Helpful hint: when the Native American take the stage, don't bother to put on your dancing shoes. It's not the like of muzak that is hand clapping, knee slapping, foot stomping Ho Down stuff. I know, I have tried to bring them up with the times, but noooo. Another one of the world's problem I have not solved, but not due to effort. Some folks don't to change as easily as others.

Todd Juvinall

Dozer is getting his weed contingent and tie dyed shirts for the year. Just listened to Trump and Pence and I think we have a good combo. I have a gal friend who calls Hillary, Killary. LOL!

White women who are married support Trump, singles will jump on board for his positions on security.

Russ Steele

Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

This is not going to please our local lefty warmers.

Increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels during the 20th and early 21st centuries “have produced no deleterious effects upon Earth’s weather and climate,” says Willie Soon, of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.“Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future in creases in hydrocarbon use and minor greenhouse gases like CO2 do not conform to current experimental knowledge.

ABSTRACT A review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th and early 21st centuries have produced no deleterious effects upon Earth’s weather and climate. Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in hydrocarbon use and minor greenhouse gasses like CO2 do not conform to current experimental knowledge. The environmental effects of the rapid expansion of the nuclear and hydrocarbon energy industries are discussed.


This will not make it in to the lames stream press, so read it here and pass it on to your intelligent AGW skeptical friends!

George Rebane

RussS 941am - While overwhelming science pours in to counter the warmists' hysteria, they remain immune to the evidence countering with what the rest of us don't understand is that "the debate is over."

rl crabb

Russ 9:41am - That explains why the blackberries in my yard grow ten feet every night. Also explains how there was enough foliage to grow 80 ton dinosaurs in the good ol' days.

Bill Tozer

Well, now that I see the picture, I can understand why somebody might mistake him for a valet standing outside a fancy restaurant. Old joke: what do call waitresses in Hollywood? A: actresses.

Not a joke:

George Rebane

BillT 1050am - Thank you Mr Tozer, but for the casual reader Alinsky's simplified version of Lenin's levels of control need to be spelled out in this comment stream. After all, they are the main tenets in the progressives' playbook.

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun control – Remove people’s ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (food, housing and income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.
8) Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take from (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Bill Tozer

Ok, this guy make a good point. Fair points, fair dialogue, throwing out the broad brush and tossing out has "nothing to do with Islam"...and looking at it down the middle.

You could substitute the word Islam with LE or political diagolue. All I ever seek is honesty. I always give more weight to those who have been Been through the school of hard knocks.
. As an example, once Enrolled in a free county smoking cessation class (tobacco). The pretty cheerful instructor of the class walked in and did the little preamble bio of herself and why she was eager to teach the class.
Then someone asked her if she was a reformed smoker and how she was able to quit.. She answered she has never even lit a cig or smoked once in her entire young life. There was an audible groan from the class and much eye rolling. 3 folks stood up and walked out. I waited to the end of the hour to walk out and never came back.

I want honest dialogue, preferably from someone who has been there, done that.


Russ Steele

Sierra Club Study behind real world events, kind of like their climate change models.


If elected president, Donald Trump would be the only head of state in the world to contend that climate change is a hoax, according to a study. The Sierra Club compiled public statements from the leaders of the 195 nations recognised by the State Department. DETAILS


Britain’s new prime minister Theresa May has scrapped the UK’s climate ministry and appointed a climate skeptic as environment minister. DETAILS

Russ Steele


Here is one assessment of how far we are down the Alinsky rabbit hole we are under President Obama's guidance.

1. Healthcare: "Control Healthcare and you control the People"

2. Poverty: Increase the Poverty level as high as possible." Poor People are easier to control and will not fight back if the government is providing everything for them to live.

3. Debt: Increase the National Debt to an unsustainable level." That way you are able to increase Taxes, and this will produce more Poverty.

4. Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a Police State - total local control.

5. Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Livestock, Housing, and Income).

6. Education: Take control of what People read & listen to; take control of what Children learn in School.

7. Religion: Remove faith in God from the Government and Schools.

8. Class Warfare: Divide the People into the Wealthy against the Poor. Racially divide. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to Tax the Wealthy with full support of the voting Poor.

For the most part the bases are all covered! We are ripe! Readers can argue with this assessment, and if they do please provide the details of your views of what this is wrong or right.


What gives with that "world fest"? I came by with a backhoe and tried to get in as an "artist".(my tool of choice for art.) But no dice! Plenty of my jobs come out pretty as pictures. Discrimination!!! I guess I need to take drugs to qualify as an "artist" these days.

George Rebane

Walt 231pm - Mr Branson, I am very familiar with your art and a collector of it. If you lack a venue to practice it, then maybe we should talk ;-)


Whatever blank canvas you have Dr.R... Or some touch ups on my previous works?
I have now expanded my horizons. asphalt,,(that's black top "jon") seal coating,(that protects the black top "jon") and even concrete. I have some good helpers these days as well.

Bill Tozer

Walt, world fest just does not appreciate your metal sculptures that you make purr from the catbird seat. They are the survivors of the old communes nestled in the redwoods from a time long ago. They are more into wood shop than metal shop. Wood is so natural and green and soft....and a heck of a lot easier to work with for the less enlightened,. Dummies don't even know that metal is closer to the earth, but that is a minor point. Metal speaks to me, we have a deep understanding and appreciation of each other. And rocks.....metal and stone is at the heart of Zen. Walt, we be the one in tune with The Earth, while the empty melon zombies line up and stagger along, drawn by the lure of the siren's call from World Fest.....er....California Fest.

Don Bessee

Is anyone going to bother listening to the socialist in chief's comments on the latest cop ambush?

George Rebane

DonB 135pm - Mr Bessee, you're our man. We expect a full report.

Don Bessee

Not taking one for the team today DR. R. I will wait for the summary on tonight's news. ;-)

Bill Tozer



Bill Tozer


George Rebane

BillT 1012pm - For those who missed it, President Erdogan's complete quote is found in the updated intro to this sandbox.

Jon Dozer

Best wishes to the GOP! Bye bye party, we hate to see you go...


Jon Dozer

Ah the diversity. A party and leader who look like America! LOL.
Unfortunately, when it comes to elections, you can't fight the demographic realities of 2016.


Bill Tozer

Someone is whistling in the dark while walking pass the graveyard.

Mr. Dozer:
I know something you don't know and I don't feel compelled to get the cat out of the bag....better be nice or Daddy is going to take the T-Bird away.

PS: my ilk has been posting pics of Ryan with horns protruding out of his Satanic head for a least 6 months. Ryan is a good guy, but my boys hate his guts. Traitor!!, they call him..along with a boycott of Fox News....Fox got back to being fair and balanced after a massive underground campaign you obvisiously never heard of. You could see their numbers take a dive before they saw the light.
There are no Sacred Cows in the 2016, The Year of Reckoning,
Oh, I still just looked at your Huff-Post link. Afraid to open it......viruses and that kind of stuff you know. But judging from the headline, it looks that same one that must of gotten recycled from December, 2008. Keep trying good buddy, keep looking.
Time to wake up and smell the chai tea.


You complete me. XXXXOOOO


Russ Steele

When the FACTS count!

When Arrests Go Bad a WUWT Guest Essay by Willis Eschenbach

I got to thinking about the issues of race regarding the recent tragic police shootings, both the shootings of police and the shootings by police. The best data is from the Washington Post, which has a detailed site listing all of the people killed by police, which begins in 2015 and goes to the present. I thought I’d analyze their data. I looked at the data for the year 2015 because the full 2016 data is not in yet, and also in order to be able to compare it to other annual datasets.

Here are the results of that comparison for 2015.

For every 10,000 white people arrested for a violent crime, 38 white people were killed by police (± 2).

For every 10,000 hispanic people arrested for a violent crime, 21 hispanic people were killed by police (± 3).

For every 10,000 black people arrested for a violent crime, 21 black people were killed by police (± 2).

Surprised? You will not hear these facts in the Lame Stream Media.

The full post and discussion is HERE.

Bill Tozer

Yo Dozer. We need your help. First they say the Louzianna cop murder was not a member of any mosque...just a mentality ill suffering soul who was a member of BLM. Next the ambulance chasers raced over to another place and said, no, he is not a member of BLM, he is a member of the the very Reverend Louie Louie Farranhkan's Nation of Islam....you know, those silly boys who assisnated Malcolm X. The ambulance chasers almost ran over a couple girls playing hop scotch on the sidewalk to get back to their typewriters to say "No, he ain't one of Louie Louie's boys, he is a weight lifter on steroids. Aha, It's the steroids fault!! But, wait..then they say.......

Dozer, this is where you can help out. Put your feelers out and help the FBI find the elusive motive. Your country needs you. Answer the call, Patriot.

Todd Juvinall

Uh Oh, Steve Frisch the feckless leader of the SBC is now joining with Pelline to protect the liberals who hate the cops. Careful, he is out searching and listening for the "dog whistles" of racism and bigotry. Even as he has no people of "color" in his employ. You cannot make this stuff up.

Jon Dozer

Great to see the GOP finally coming together today in their show of unity :)
OMG, its going to fun to hear and watch the booing in prime time this week!

And thank god they dumped that C-list celeb Tim Tebow for someone much more famous and respected. So its great to see Scott Baio, that famous 55 year old heartthrob from 4 decades past. This guy predates Reagan! LOL. Awesome stuff.

Jon Dozer

"Asked about the president’s response to the killing of three police officers in Baton Rouge, La., Trump said: “I mean, you know, I watched the president and sometimes the words are O.K.,” Trump said. “But you just look at the body language. There’s something going on."

You Drumpf Boys proud of the racist code words of your racist candidate?

Todd Juvinall

Jon Dozer | 18 July 2016 at 02:11 PM

Oh jon, you are a simple run of the mill leftwing racist. Trump is no racist. But you and your ilk have to make it up. You and Frisch, dog whistles everywhere. But bottom line is Trump is right. When someone says things they truly don't believe then we can see that body language and ;ack of eye contact. All easy to see in you libs since you all lie so much.

The convention is fun. I am glad to see some back and forth. The democrats are good commissars though. Bernie sold out all the millions who voted for him and you are so glad he he is back on the reservation.

Bill Tozer

Dozer, watch it for me. Somebody has to. I am listening to what Your Gal was just telling the NAACP lthis lovely morning less than 24 hrs after 3 more heros were gunned down in Baton Rouge. Same as what Obama just said today. Hmm.

Same spiel,....the bodies haven't even been laid to rest and they start with the obligatory opening state about there is no justification for killing cops, Let me made that clear, blah, blah, blah.. With that pleasantly said and swept aside, they both got down to business. The nation's police force must show restraint! Blame the cops, lol. Well, at least Obama, Hillary, and the taco stuffer are all on the same page. Reform the police, do not blame the po colored folk ambushing members on The Thin Blue Line.
About time it's all out in the open.....hey, let's federalize the local police....it's the answer!!! It's all the dead cops fault. Better keep an eye on those corpuses sneaking out of the grave and running about shooting po colored people just for kicks.
Yo Dozer we are a little short handed here on the other side due to the recent events and loss of manpower. Be a dear and watch them grave sites for us, will ya. Report anything suspectious. Thank you.

What a bunch of monkeys trying to hump the football.

Bill Tozer

Yo Dozer. Get with the times, man. Racist is so worm out. The new term is "oven stuffer." That is the word you are searching for. You got the all the buzz words from Nazi to homophobic, from bigot to Islamophoc all rolled up into a simple two word all encompassing phrase.

We prefer to be called "over stuffers."
Thank you.

Oh, how many more cops have to die before Obama's bloodlust is satisfied? Hint: not a trick question. Neither one of us knows for sure, but for an over stuffer like Obama, the answer might be found in the definition of the word. "insatiable".

Bill Tozer

And now a word from The White House:


No problem. We can fix that.


That was easy. Next in the list is....nay, I almost let the cat out of the bag.

Mr. Dozer. I know something you don't know. Glad to see you are being polite this gorgeous day. Keep it up. Who knows, it might even become a habit. Stranger things have happened. :). You earned a smiley face for good behavior. Good job, Let the healing break forth in song! :). :). :)

Bill Tozer

Damn! Oven stuffers....oven stuffers. I am such an obtuse beast. Oven stuffer....my badge of honor which I display proudly....concerning the source who pinned that one me. Tanks again Mr Dozer and Company P, tanks a rocket. You complete me. XXXOOO.

Oh, Walt will be home soon. Hang it there.

Yo Walt, I got the frying pan all heated up for ya. Time to throw the meat in. :)


"Oh, and one more thing “America” is not a country you functional idiot, it is a continent; the United States of America is a country." Frisch to Juvenall

Ignoring the puctuation error(s), we have counterexamples:


Check out definition 3, Stevie.

Then there's song:
From Sondheim & Bernstein's America:
"I like the shores of America!
Comfort is yours in America!
Knobs on the doors in America,
Wall-to-wall floors in America!"

What about America the Beautiful as edited by Ray Charles
"Oh beautiful, for heroes proved,
In liberating strife,
Who more than self, our country loved,
And mercy more than life,
America, America, may God thy gold refine,
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain devined.
And you know when I was in school,
We used to sing it something like this, listen here:
Oh beautiful, for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties,
Above the fruited plain,
But now wait a minute, I'm talking about
America, sweet America,
You know, God done shed his grace on thee,
He crowned thy good, yes he did, in a brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea."

I met a number of functional idiots when attending a CalState, many just like Frisch.

America is more than just a continent, Steve.

Todd Juvinall

One world government starts with one hemisphere government and commissar Frisch is the boss. Oh, now that is scary.


Todd, not a boss; he's just a garden variety useful idiot.

Bill Tozer

Is saying America now committing an act of micro-aggression? Darn, just when I thought I was up to speed. Guess we never do graduate.

Mr. Gregory @ 4:12 pm
Mr. Gregory, there are just some things that don't teach at Cal State.....or Cal...or Harvard...or......



Man.. That "jon" has gone off the xenophobic deep end.

Todd Juvinall

Here is a man Steve Frisch can enjoy. Not a gun in sight but only Allah! The religion of peace for the atheist Frisch. Enjoy!


Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane. Uh....er...I hate to embarrass myself publicly, but I still can't find the updated intro with Turkman E's complete quote. If you could be so kind to point me in the right direction and gently guide this lout into the light. Please, sir, bestow mercy on my wretched soul and help a brother out. I am just too plain dumb to see what you are referring to. Thank you.

"BillT 1012pm - For those who missed it, President Erdogan's complete quote is found in the updated intro to this sandbox.

Posted by: George Rebane | 18 July 2016 at 08:56 AM"

Bill Tozer

Opps, found it Dr. Rebane. I was foolishly looking for a much longer complete quote. Short and sweet. Man, good Doc, I just don't see how you can ever soar with the eagles when you are pestered by turkeys. Your understanding knows no bounds. I was wrrrrro....I made an error.



Gotta love Mrs. Trump's speech. Now that is one fine future First Lady. Yup, bring some real class back to the White House.

Todd Juvinall

And she unlike Michelle Obama did not say she was finally proud of America! And she is from Slovenia! How sweet it is!


"jon" REALLY won't like her.But Pops is another story. Her Daddy's a member of the Communist party.(or was) There for the political bennies but not for the beliefs. She hates Communism. And is as smart as she is pretty.

Todd Juvinall

If anuone had any doubts about the beliefs of Stave Frisch, here is a partial post he made on my blog a couple of days ago.

"I would be proud to be counted a 'lover' of Saul Alinsky. "

George Rebane

Administrivia - the conventions will receive your extensive views under their own posts. For openers, please see 'Convention Capers 2016 - Republican'.

Bill Tozer


Bill Tozer


Fund officials, recognizing that the wave of retiring baby boomers means it will pay out more in benefits than it takes in from contributions and investment income, have projected that the fund could have negative cash flow for at least the next 15 years.

Bill Tozer



Russ Steele

Prediction: By the time we hit a $15 minimum wage, there will be no cashiers

Now that the Democrats have officially enshrined the Fight for 15 in their platform this year, Hillary Clinton will have a hard time dancing away from it during the general election debates. You’ll recall that she previously had taken a slightly more reasonable approach, calling for that level of pay in high cost of living areas, but not pushing for it in rural locations where it would be immediately crippling to business and employment. Bernie Sanders eventually won that fight and dragged Clinton all the way to the left, so the subject is now one of the planks on which Hillary will stand in Philadelphia.

With that in mind, conservatives should be prepared to keep the public informed about the long term consequences of this populist position. One of the most likely outcomes which isn’t frequently mentioned in the usual DNC literature is described by Panos Mourdoukoutas at Forbes this week. While remaining in the realm of prognostication for now, the message is plain and simple: by the time these proposed laws go fully into effect, the job of being a cashier in the United States (along with several other occupations) will cease to exist.

Detail HERE: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/19/prediction-by-the-time-we-hit-a-15-minimum-wage-there-will-be-no-cashiers/

Consider this: More reaction to $15.00 minimum wage?

The BratWurst Bot is able to grill German Sausages without any human help. It can localize the bratwurst on the pickup tray and on the gas grill.The bratwurst manager schedules the grill time, delivery and ensures a good taste. All Software is based on ROS.BratWurst Bot was presented at Stallwächter Party 2016 in Berlin and made more than 200 sausages autonomously.


Russ Steele

Is Gov Brown trying to take Obama "Best Gus Salesman Ever" title?

BearingArms: Just two weeks short weeks after Governor Jerry Brown showed his hand by signing a number of gun control measures into law, Californians are putting their money down on a sure bet: AR-15 rifles.

“The California compliant rifles right now are non-existent. There is nothing out there,” said Ray Parga, owner of Del Valle Gunsmithing in Marina, CA.

Parga told local reporters that sales of AR-15 style firearms are through the roof. Not only are the guns he had in stock completely sold out, but replenishment orders were sold before they’ll ever touch store shelves.


Bill Tozer


Bill Tozer

Meanwhile, the liberal government to our north......finally got one right. The Internet has changed the way we communicate.


Jon Dozer


No one is allowed to express an opinion on this. Shh. Pay no attention to this stuff.


Jon Dozer

Its clear that Mr. Drumpf has inspired a lot of great god fearing American patriots to run for higher office. I expect an endorsement to pay back Mr. Duke for his great help in securing the GOP nomination. USA USA USA!



Speaking of disallowed opinions, Ferguson's Michael Brown, under the influence and in the immediate aftermath of a strongarm theft from a convenience store, reached into a patrol car to punch the officer and try to take his gun, taunted the officer saying he "was too much of a pussy to shoot" him, and was shot while advancing on the officer who repeatedly told him stop and lay down on the ground.

The "hands up, don't shoot" story was related by Brown's companion at the convenience story theft and uncorroborated by any credible witness, but despite this, it remains a rallying cry of the Black Lives Matter movement.

If the above ruffles your feathers, try reading the final report of the Federal Justice department under Eric Holder who rushed down there in the aftermath to make sure someone got charged.

Michael Brown's mom will reportedly be a guest at the Democratic National Convention to support Hillary. If I'd pulled a Michael Brown at age 18 against a cop 6" shorter and 2/3rds my weight, my folks would be avoiding the limelight, burying me in a private ceremony and taking every opportunity to apologize for my actions.

Bill Tozer

A) Disallowed opinions.......or disavowed opinions?

"This is the oldest trick in the book.... it brings out more violence!!! It's a terrible cycle that always escalates into something worse. Thus forcing us to ask ourselves, who is benefiting from this? THAT's the answer I want to get to,” she said.

B) Note to a former county supervisor and former GV council person: if Trump wins the election and you try to move to Canada, good luck. Your misdemeanor plea forever prevents you from immigrating to the land of the Maple Leaf. They don't allow your kind in their country.
Perhaps the former county supervisor and former GV city councilperson could move to Mexico, the country everybody is trying to immigrate out of.


The sock puppet "Jon Dozer", believed my many to be Stephen Frisch of the so-called Sierra Business Council and/or Jeff Pelline, former Editor of The Union and current publisher of a glossy advertiser that has to be given away to have any circulation at all, is once again committing a classic fallacy... intimating Trump has a connection to Duke or the Klan outside of gotcha! journalism, or that arrest, which Trump does not.

I'd say Pelline is currently fisting the Dozer sock, only an expert in empty rhetoric (Jeff's major at Cal) can pull that off so well.

Bill Tozer

Must be something in the water.


Disallowed Opinions: Where are all the white women?



Stop the tape, stop the tape!

Words of whizdumb from that six figure CEO of a Truckee 501c3, Stephen Frisch, at a blog where many of us can't post:
"The problem i have with sloppy inconsistent thinking driven by ‘opinion’ without applying logic and fair standards is that it makes our ‘progressive’ friends look like kooks, charlatans, and conspiracy theorists"

That it does, Steve, thanks for noticing. They are kooks, charlatans and conspiracy theorists and that does include both Senum and Ben Emery.

On a related note, Reinette Senum has identified "Rachel French" posting at the FUE's as a sock puppet, and Jeffie also lets a certain Sierra College professor to drool under the "Joe Koyote" banner while claiming to require real names only at his blog. How many socks are currently throwing chunks into Jeff's fan?

If Jeff didn't have double standards he'd have no standards at all.

George Rebane

The 22jul16 sandbox is open for business.

Bill Tozer

Gregory, Steve F is miles above Pelline, miles. What I am going to say may not tickle your fancy, but here goes:
Re: that pesky discrete matter in Nevada City that Pelline wants to go way, yet he is now the only one talking about it. Go figure.

Steve F laid out the very best argument articulating what I feel concerning the local dust up that did not remain confined to the city limits of The Berkely of the Foothills per normal.
I could not have said it better, been more even kneeled, or more articulate than Steve's one post at Pelline's blog. I wrote a 100 times the words and 20 times the comments, yet failed to get it out the way Steve did. He gets a star in my book. Then again, since I leave the AWG stuff to you and Russ and those who are in the know, I am twice removed and more objective than you when it comes to Steve. I give him a big Good Job, Mr. Steve. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Of course this kudos is buried in the "old sandbox". :)

stevefrisch says:
July 20, 2016 at 6:19 pm
Yeah, I may be deleted too.

I think that Reinette’s original comment that, “They have obviously been given directives to go out there and kill,’ is still the operative comment. For someone to ‘give directives’ there must be premeditation, and sans presented proof of premeditation is irresponsible talk, especially for a public official who oversees a law enforcement agency. It was an ill-conceived inflammatory and conspiratorial comment, which is indicative of deeper oft demonstrated thought processes.

With that said, and as I said here, I don’t believe the response against Reinette’s business and her person was warranted and are bordering on disgusting. People should be secure in holding even unpopular beliefs.

But then again, I don’t think chem-trails are real, there is almost no evidence that genetically modified food is inherently dangerous, I don’t think there is a conspiracy to control the media, I vehemently disagree with recommending that people not get vaccinated, and I don’t believe that the profit motive is inherently corrupt or that it inherently corrupts people or processes.

I do question people (un-named) left, right or center, male or female, of any race, creed or color, who make factually unsupportable statements and then defend them with nonsense like the idea that “all opinions are equal” which I have seen all to often here and on other Nevada County forums.

Thinking all ‘opinions’ are equal is the same thing as thinking science does not exist, evidence is irrelevant, facts and knowledge are irrelevant. It is sloppy, undisciplined and irrational thinking.

An opinion by definition is “a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.”

All opinions are not equal; opinions supported by evidence, fact and knowledge are superior.

If you don’t want your ‘opinions’ deconstructed don’t post them on public forums. If you state an ‘opinion’ you should be prepared to support it with facts, knowledge, research, logic, etc.

I also question the practice of, after stating an ‘opinion’ publicly, painting people who deconstruct that ‘opinion’ as bullies. We should be responsible for what we believe and even more responsible when we state it publicly. We should also have the ability to say without shame, “upon further evidence and reflection I have changed my opinion.”

Facts exist, science exists, and there is such a thing as truth. Granted truth may change as new facts come in, and we should be constantly searching for new facts, but in the mean time we can only act on the facts we have, and seek more.

Belief without facts is actually emotion. Lampooning such beliefs is not libel it is art.

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