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10 December 2016

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Bill Tozer

Breaking news!!! One of the electors that is demanding an Intell briefing is none other than........drumroll please.......Noneother than Botox Nancy's daughter.

Go pound sand, but the peace offering still stands. She needs a bigger participation trophy.

Paul Emery

So concerning the rules for "getting the truth out" Does that mean anything goes? How about extortion or kidnapping or break ins of opposition offices (ala Watergate) What rules do you impose Walt in this quest?

Paul Emery

So Walt in your view the end justifies the means.

Bill Tozer

How about bringing back water boarding, Paul.

This video pisses me off. The enemy is within.

http://www.proudcons.com/jason-chaffetz-forces-fbi-to-admit-they-hid-evidence-for-hillary/

Bill Tozer

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/clinton-campaign-supports-call-electors-briefed-foreign-intervention-reports-cast-votes/.

Paul Emery

Bill

I suggest you review the Federalist Papers on this matter particularly the writings of Hamilton on the topic of foreign intervention in elections. That certainly makes a case for electors demanding answers to questions as to foreign intervention. Here's the link. take a little time to read it before you respond.

Thgis is the specific area to read.

https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-68

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery is hysterical. This is how it goes. If the RNC or Trump did the deed hacking the DNC then he would have a point and I would probably agree it is not a good thing. Hwever someone else did this and released them. At that point the emails are public and all the lamestreams published them. All legal and ethical for the RNC to make hay.

Paul Emery

Bill

To make it simple go to 68 and here's part of what you will find as to the intent to make electors studious and inquiring as to the questions of foreign intervention in our elections.

"Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention."

Don Bessee

UH OH PE, stop feeding the Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land, what the Thgis? ;-)

Gregory

Paul, does it matter to you if a document made public is false, or true?

I don't think Hamilton was thinking about disclosures of letters actually written by Americans who were lying to the People in order to gain high public office. If "every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption"... why help the cabal (in this case the DNC and the Hillary campaign) in their use of intrigue and corruption, and the Clinton Foundation, with its pay to play and foreign payments, is perhaps the most egregious instance of just what Hamilton was warning against.

All we know for sure is that *someone* hacked various computers and gave files to Wikileaks, which, in due course, released them to the public domain without embellishment or fraud.

Account Deleted

St Paul The Pious has lost his mind. He's telling us that if a snoop in the neighborhood opened a letter stolen out of his next door neighbor's mail box and opened it and found plans to abduct Paul's daughter with other peds , Paul would not inform the police nor take any measures to protect his daughter's abduction on the grounds that he would be taking advantage of information gleaned from stolen mail. Furthermore, after the abduction, he would refuse to inform the police of who had napped his daughter.
As far as his sudden interest in foreign powers influencing our elections, just what in hell does Paul propose we do if there is produced clear evidence that it was Russia that released the emails?
Start a war? Stomp on down to the UN and complain?
Call their ambassador into the White House and rail at him?
The bottom line is that no one can demonstrate that any action or inaction by Russia or any other foreign power caused Hillary to lose the election.
She did that all by herself.

Walt

Paul is trodding in "jon" territory. Paul forgets that it's the LIB side the wrote the book on "by any means necessary". You have remained silent Paul, on the killing of that DNC mole. I have yet to read that the guy was a Russian spy. You have also kept your yap shut
when the question was put to you if you would be so uhh,,, "Animated" if the leas were against Trump. I take your silence on those matters as " no problem there".
I do believe your real bitch is that the Left go out played at their own game.
Nope,, not a word from you about when the "other side" does it.
That sure brings your ethics into question. Is it ethical to bitch about one side's dirty tricks, yet let the other side slide? That IS what you're doing.

Walt

Scott.. Just draw a "red line"? As Paul how that worked out against Russia the last time.
HELL! They even shot down an airliner, and nothing was done.
The LIBS got spanked, and now they are out to piss off the Commies, and to cause as much trouble as possible for Trump. Who is still running the CIA? The LIBS... And we are supposed to believe their "defiant, possible, maybe"?
Many at the FBI quit because Hillary was allowed to walk.

Walt

One more thing for Paul to ponder.
Seems like only yesterday, huge multimedia companies (many with significant foreign ownership) tried to influence the election in Hillary's favor..
And then we voted.....

Paul Emery

I didn't vote for Hillary Walt. Why should I defend her ?

Paul Emery

Both can you give me a list of some of these multi media companies you referred to ?

Paul Emery

Scott you certainly do raise valid questions are about what we should do if the Russians attempted to influence our election It would be safe to assume then the importance of determining what affect their influence had on the election It is worth speculating what' there motivation was. Trump denies their involvement but what is his source to justify his difference with the intelligence services ? Very bad move on his point Leaves him extremely vulnerable if it was shown that indeed the Russians did get involved Leaves his wide open to all kinds of blackmail from the Russians

Don Bessee

BUZZ KILL ALERT PAUL, BUZZ KILL ALERT MR EMERY;
Rep. Devin Nunes R-CA Chair Intelligence cmte. released a letter Monday. In it he said a 'reported' CIA assessment regarding Russian government actors interfered with the US election is in conflict with DNI testimony to his committee.

In his letter to DNI Clapper he referenced the DNI's sworn testimony- "On November 17, 2016 you told the committee during an open hearing that the IC (intelligence Community) lacked strong evidence connecting the Russian government Cyber-attacks and WikiLeaks disclosures."

Sounds like leaker has some splainin' to do. Shame on them getting ol' PE's ticker riled up. Merry Christmas ;-)

Walt

Paul. Tell me just which media Co. WASN'T out to take Trump down. And you a "media guy" has the brass ones to ask otherwise? Yup,, your right up there with the "jon".

Paul Emery

Sure Walt

Fox News, Breitbart, etc

Paul Emery

Just wait Don, the storm is yet to come.

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/12/11/stop-cia-coup/

Don Bessee

Indeed PE, we will have a large wet wave move in starting tomorrow. We will then have an even bigger weather event move in Thursday. GO H2O! ;-)

Account Deleted

St Paul - who can ignore the minor sins, yet sniff out the major venal sins, has gone from declaring the Russians to have 'influenced' our national election to now pondering only if.
There is no evidence the Russians did anything. At least none that has been presented. And there is no evidence that the RNC was hacked as claimed. In fact, the FBI has apparently said they were not. The FBI has not denied this claim.
St Paul admits that I have raised valid questions, and I have many more.
Since we know the Obama admin has tried to covertly influence elections in other sovereign nations, one wonders why St Paul is only now alarmed at this practice.
St Paul is adamant that he is for Gary Johnson all the way, yet is strangely numb to Hillary's sins and seems to be always on the side of the DNC party line as it comes directly to the useful idiots of the nation.
If I had to wonder why Russia would want to try to install Trump as president, my first thought is that at least they could trust him and secondly they view Hillary as a maniacal harridan who has proven herself to be a foolish bomb thrower ready to cause major upheaval for egotistical reasons.
But it really just boils down the established order freaking out because they were blind sided by their own arrogance and a true outsider pulling off a major upset despite being vastly outspent and unfairly maligned daily by the major news media and being ridiculed non-stop by almost all of the entertainment establishment.
They are truly desperate and are coming up with the most fantastical conspiracy theories.
The establishment ran a lying, thieving crook for president and she lost.
St Paul pronounces from on high:
"Just wait Don, the storm is yet to come."
This, from someone who was completely wrong about the election.

fish

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 12 December 2016 at 09:07 PM


"St Paul is adamant that he is for Gary Johnson all the way, yet is strangely numb to Hillary's sins and seems to be always on the side of the DNC party line as it comes directly to the useful idiots of the nation."


^^^^This ^^^^


That "I voted for Johnson" card is going to look like it spent a month in the spokes of a kids bicycle before Paul stops playing it!

Bill Tozer

Scenes post @ 8:27 pm last night kept me up for hours. If true, I am most disturbed. Always felt the only way to stop Trump was an assassian's bullet, conspiracy theory or no conspiracy theory.

A little poking around does point to being a leak rather than a hack. The NSA knows, as Snowden revealed the extent that the NSA has over the entirety of our fiber networks. Total access to everything passing over our fiber. They never ruled out leaks.

Returning to the orginal post by Norm S and the election fallout, one must ask why Obama has done nothing to protect hackers from doing bad things under his watch. Who has been in charge during the last 8 years? What steps had Obama taken to prevent hacks? Not a peep from Paul.

The FBI/Intell said there is a 99% chance that 5 foreign entities had access to Hillary's home brew server that contained SAP (special access programs). Not a peep from Paul or jon. At least Dozer said nothing to see here. 5 foreign entities reading everything Hillary was doing as Sec of State and Obama does nothing. Paul says nothing..

Leaks, not hacks. Leaks from an insider. Can't detect leaks, can detect altering and hacks. Suddenly Paul is up in arms about this. Not a word about Hillary putting our nation at risk, not a word what Obama did on his watch about this. Not a word.

Too upsetting. I am walking away from this thread. Fallout? The media, the Left, the liberals learned nothing, know nothing. Go pound sand. Oh, they are asswipes and the best thing about liberals ran down their mamas' spread eagle legs on a fleabag mattress.

BradC

Memo to BillT - don't read 'Scene's' posts after 5pm. Scene posts and medications don't mix.

Gregory

“Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims ‘bullshit,” adding: ‘They are absolutely making it up.’

“’I know who leaked them,’ Murray said. ‘I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

“’If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States. America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

Gregory

“Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims ‘bullshit,” adding: ‘They are absolutely making it up.’

“’I know who leaked them,’ Murray said. ‘I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

“’If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States. America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

Gregory

"I didn't vote for Hillary Walt. Why should I defend her ?"
Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 December 2016 at 06:32 PM

Because you have no respect for Republicans in general? You know, the folks you derisively refer to as "Pubbies"? Great way to dehumanize folks you disagree with. You've spent so much time gleeful with the expected destruction of the GOP, I can't imagine what a letdown Election Day was for you.

I do salute your joining me in voting for Johnson. Look at the bright side, maybe Trump will nominate Merrick Garland to fill Ginsberg's seat if she vacates the court in the next four years.

Paul Emery

Gregory

In my view the great fall of the Pubsters is yet to come. The angry hoards will be at the palace gates once their expectations are not met by Trump and his band of barkers. It will be ugly.

I don't really care what you think of my characterizations of the the Pubs are. Try another approach to insult me.

Craig Murray? Who the hell is that? Some unemployed obscure former British diplomat. You take his word above that of the entire US Intelligence community. Really Gregory

Bill Tozer

1:23 PM
Finally, the mask is stripped away. I see hate of the Pubsters. Pure unadulterated hate. Took much chit chat, but the veil has finally been pulled off. Yes, we all knew Paul's real sentiments all along, just good to have him come out and say it. We are making progress. Hate will blind a good man. I know all about that wretched pitfall , so I ain't preaching. This is great. Another layer of the onion skin has been removed. Honesty is the best policy. "Pretense is dense." Hey, I just made that up. A good saying if I may say so myself. I just did. :)

Moving on......a word to the Deplorables. Not the best, not the worse.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/russia-hacked-the-2016-election-4-questions-conservatives-should-be-asking

Oh yeah, a little levity is in order:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/975579662576071/?type=3&theater


Paul Emery

Bill

I profoundly dislike the two party system we are inflicted with. Please show me one complimentary thing I said about Hillary.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery | 13 December 2016 at 01:23 PM

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Now go to your safe space.

Gregory

"You take his word above that of the entire US Intelligence community."

The "entire US Intelligence community"?

You've been reading too much fake news, Paul, and your desperation is showing. What I don't see is any report suggesting Murray is a liar, which he would have to be to ignore his personal statement and elevate the guesses of a *few* in the US intelligence community, some of which are partisan Democrats, especially after about eight years of a partisan Democrat in the White House, the furthest to the left of any President in history.

Assange has also, on multiple occasions, been adamant that WikiLeaks were leaks, not hacks, and there is a difference.

This whole attempt to overthrow election results based on a Russkie witch hunt is making Nixon, who refused to throw the Union into a Constitutional turmoil after the Daly machine in Illinois stole the '60 election from him, look like one of our great presidents. For shame. Trump won, the "pubbies" won. Get over it.

Gregory

"In my view the great fall of the Pubsters is yet to come." -Paul E.

In your view prior to the election there was not a chance in Hell that Trump would get elected, and the "Pubsters" would be in disarray right about now.

GOP President, Senate, House, SCOTUS, governors, state legislatures (low and high bodies both). Average age of national Dem legislative leadership is about 76.

It really couldn't have gone worse for the Dems, could it? How did you get it all so wrong, Paul, and why should your opinion of the future from this point in time be taken seriously considering your lack of any track record in the recent past?

fish

I can't disagree with Paul on this......Obama has made such a "dogs breakfast" of matters economic that Trump will likely be blamed when the economy rolls over next year. That said, Trump is now a politician and we should all feel free to direct the same sort of rhetoric towards him that many democrats used during the election......"He's really not a republican"......He's been a New York democrat his entire life.....etc..... !

Let him gut Obamacare, cull as much of the regulatory stupidity enacted by Team Evil over the the past couple decades as possible, set the Supreme Court in stone for twenty five years and we can look forward to a post Trump future devoid of Hillarys, Nancys, Barbaras, and Barrys and their ilk!

Gregory

Paul, here's some real news for you, from Reuters:
Exclusive: Top U.S. spy agency has not embraced CIA assessment on Russia hacking

"The CIA conclusion was a "judgment based on the fact that Russian entities hacked both Democrats and Republicans and only the Democratic information was leaked," one of the three officials said on Monday.

"(It was) a thin reed upon which to base an analytical judgment," the official added."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-intelligence-idUSKBN14204E?il=0

fish

I don't know if this is legit.....if it is it certainly wouldn't surprise me!


Anti-Trump Elector Chris Suprun Paid For Ashley Madison While Bankrupt And Married With 3 Kids


Anti-Trump Texas faithless elector Stephen Christopher “Chris” Suprun, who wrote a widely-shared op-ed in The New York Times about his decision, in which he claimed ideological superiority over Trump, which would prevent him from voting for the President-elect on December 19 as he is required, joined and paid for cheating website Ashley Madison in 2012, using the same address registered to his 9/11 charity, while bankrupt, likely unemployed, and married with three young kids, after he and his working wife owed over $200,000 to multiple creditors — and that’s just the start of it.


Anti-Trump Texas Elector Stephen Christopher Suprun. Source: Twitter

GotNews’ research into Suprun’s bizarre and unexplained flip-flop against President-elect Donald J. Trump turned up Ashley Madison data, damning bankruptcy records, and a series of P.O. boxes and what appears to be an association with a payday loan scam site.

Since turning against the decision of the people of Texas to elect Trump, Suprun also became a client of a “social justice media strategy” PR firm run by left-wing CNN commentator Van Jones.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-13/exposed-anti-trump-elector-chris-suprun-paid-ashley-madison-while-bankrupt-and-marri


I would expect a plea for a crowd funded bailout shortly!


Bill Tozer

Well, let's give credit where credit is due. Paul did say the Establishment would never allow Trump to be President. Never. Judging by a quick glance at the headlines, Paul may be right. They are still fighting to keep him out. Boy, draining the swamp ain't going to be easy. Bigger and deeper and higher and the furthest reaches of the swamp is bigger than I imagined. Tentacles are everywhere. More than what one man can do and definitely bigger than the Executive Branch for sure. I just might start thinking the Illuminati is fact, not fiction.
I am on record saying if Trump can do 3 out of 10 policies he campaigned on, I would be tickled pink. Very happy. The link below paints a depressing realistic picture. But, with all the obstacles ahead, this free thinker (IMHO) would settle for 1 out of 10. Fight on. Miles to go before I sleep, miles to go.

“It’s going to be the Chamber of Commerce. It’s as though Jeb Bush won.”
Savage added a word of perspective, however, imagining the alternative.

“Even if we only get 10 percent of what Trump promised us, we’re 1,000 percent better than if she had won,” he said, referring to Clinton.

“Remember what she would have done,” Savage said.

“The Second Amendment would have been gone, the First Amendment emasculated. She would have increased the surveillance state, she would have flooded America with Muslims, raised taxes on the middle class, and day and night propaganda about the evils of the white race."

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/savage-warns-trump-on-priebus-looks-like-jeb-bush-won/

Now, a little levity,
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/976012125866158/?type=3&theater

Paul Emery

Gregory

Obviously you didn't take the time to read the article since you only wanted to extract simplistic highlights to share with your Trumpite compadres. If you would have actually read the article you would have read that they all agree that the Russians were involved in the hacking and have not reached a conclusion as to the motive to disrupt he election. Still makes Trump look like a dolt because he claims that the Russians never had any involvement with the hacking period. Nice try, no banana.

"While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA's analysis of Russian hacking operations, it has not endorsed their assessment because of a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton, said the officials, who declined to be named."

Don Bessee

who declined to be named.' Enough said. ;-)

Gregory

Trumpite comadres? That the best insult you can come up with? Hint, it's purely an enemy of my enemy can be my friend, and the Trumpers are in my opinion more in tune with a Constitution that means what it says.

Earth to Paul, everyone knows the Russians have a hacking operation. That isn't news. So does the US. In fact, most seem to think we do a better job of it.

Here you were claiming "the entire US Intelligence community" is united in blaming Russkie hacking for Hillary's loss, I give you a fresh Reuters citation to the contrary and all you can do is double down? I read the whole piece in detail before quoting and citing it... while you apparently, once again, skimmed it for something to throw into the fan.

WikiLeaks is adamant they didn't get all those damning juicy quotes from Podesta, Hillary, Donna Brazile, et al from the Russians. It was a leaker, and multiple wikileakers claim to know their identity. That the Russkies were also poking around poorly secured systems is to be expected.

The FBI is adamant they don't accept that Russkies threw the election, but the FBI trades in admissible evidence, not fantasies.

George Rebane

PaulE 426pm - What again is your point about the intelligence community agreeing about Russia affecting the election? And if there is no proof that they did affect the election, what is the point of this conversation?

Todd Juvinall

How come the Russians knew to hack only the states with the Electoral College votes needed for a Trump win? Hillary got three million more votes in California and she won the EC voters here. So how could those wily Roskies make that happen?

Bill Tozer

Which reminds me....anybody seen Assange during the last 5 and a half weeks??. Boy, when they pulled the plug on him, they really pulled the plug. Noticed his old friend/courier/lawyer turned up dead about 7 weeks ago....natural causes. I liked the movie "Three Days of the Condor".

3:40 PM
No worries. 9 of the 10 electors who can't decide who they will cast their vote for are from Blue States. The first one I read about awhile back is a Native American.....from Washington State. Ok, he wants to vote for somebody else. The other 9 are a joke. Like, do they really really need to see Gov't secret Intel on the Russian Pinkos before voting? Who is Nancy's daughter going to vote for? Trump? How about the other 8 from Blue States? What, they will vote for Trump or write in Ted Cruz, ROFLMAO.

Too transparent, more smoke and mirrors, more bob and weave. It's Nancy that wants the Intel, not her daughter the undecided elector.. 9 out of 10 from Blue States and they need to get their hands on classified material to vote for.....My Gal.

Well, you got to give them credit for trying. You are hearing are the last gasps of air as blood trickles up from their lungs..

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

https://i.sli.mg/FeJxrQ.gif

Bill Tozer

Election fallout.
Well, if the neocons are up in arms, I say it might be a good sign. For them, the Cold War is never over. Unless Paul has a soft spot for war mongering, I can live with it. Thinking outside the box.

http://buchanan.org/blog/will-trump-defy-mccain-marco-126173

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/14/with-rex-tillerson-pick-trump-crams-russia-down-neocon-throats.html

Todd Juvinall

Poor Neil Cavuto. He was interviewing Nancy Pelosi's daughter about her push to get the intel on the alleged Russian interference in the election. She says 50 Electors are asking for that info. But are they R's or D's? Anyway the woman would not shut up and poor Neil could not get a word in edgewise. I feel bed for that woman's husband. LOL!

Todd Juvinall

Looks like only one R. A putz from Texas. Trump is jst fine.

Bill Tozer

Nothing to see here. :).

Bill Tozer

Dog whistle? I don't hear no stinkin' whistle.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/07/pat-buchanan-celebrates-donald-trump-s-win-has-the-last-laugh.html

Walt

Now what was I saying about an inside job? Got something better George B. McCarthy?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html

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