Scattershots – 18dec16 (updated 21dec16)

George Rebane

Voice from behind the curtain – ‘Pay no attention to the correlation.’

[update]  A reader has pointed out that the above crime map is inaccurate and cites and article in the 16nov16 WaPo (here) that claims to present better data in the map below.  The article's conclusion is italicized.

The violent crime map shows clusters of counties with high rates in South Carolina, Florida, the Memphis area and New Mexico. Several of the clusters are in rural areas where a small number of crimes may generate a relatively high crime rate because there are few people living there. ... The latest data available is from 2014. Reported crime rates for some large cities have gone up over the past two years. ... The National Archive of Criminal Justice Data generates the county-level crime summaries from FBI data that is reported by police agencies.  In rural areas, a county may have one police agency. But large urban counties may have several cities with their own police departments, as well as county-wide agencies. And statewide police agencies may also handle reported crimes. The NACJD adjusts the data for agencies that only report for part of the year and distributes incidents from statewide agencies to local counties by population.

With this conclusion and upon closer examination of the WaPo map, I will let my opening statement stand.

Nevada County Voices has dropped RR from its community website listings.  Since its inception RR has enjoyed coverage by having its recent posts listed and linked in the site’s ‘Right Wing’ column.  The reason for the change is not apparent, especially since RR has always lauded this informative site edited by Dr Anna Haynes.  To be frank, the site and its editor are definitely of the Left persuasion – for example, there is no equivalent listing of ‘Left Wing’ sites.  Apparently all the remainder of the listed sites have no ideological slant or bias that is apparent to Dr Haynes.  Perhaps the removal of RR is part and parcel of the local Left’s perennial call to silence my public voice and involvement as part of their overall crusade to deny opposing opinions and viewpoints a place in the community forum.  In any case it was fun while it lasted, and we will continue featuring Nevada County Voices in the Our Links panel on the right.  [update]  Oops!  My tears flowed too soon; RR has been reinstated in its usual slot.  Now the only nit I have left to pick is my envy of fellow blogger Mr Todd Juvinall (Sierra Dragon's Breath) who enjoys having the last ten of his posts being listed while the rest of us are limited to five max.  Oh well, Anna always did like Todd the best.

RoboVote - a new tool for capturing group preferences and making group decisions.  For years I have designed, purveyed, and used customized decision support systems, especially the kind that help extract useful information from groups of people engaged in some common pursuit.  Recently a team of AI researchers at Harvard released RoboVote (more here and here), a free AI-based, online tool to aid in performing such functions in an optimal manner.  I am recommending its consideration to organizations to which I belong.  Take a look at it and you will want to do the same.

[update]  The WSJ reports "U.S. Factories Are Working Again; Factory Workers, Not So Much.  Donald Trump plans to reignite industrial job growth, but many low-skilled former factory workers are frozen out."  As has been reported here for years, the return of manufacturing to the US does not mean that an equivalent (to previous years) jobs will be returning.  Does no one understand the serious nature of growing systemic unemployment with the acceleration of technology?  Why is this always a surprise and a recent discovery by some maven or other?

[19dec16 update]  Today’s Union informs us that we now have a permanent group of local progressives organized to become the perennial protesters of the Republican controlled (but liberal bureaucratized) federal government.  They call themselves ‘Resistance U.S.’, formed to “promote progressive values and ideas”, and appear visibly uninformed about our Constitution and what happened last month.  For example, as a local embodiment of Moonbeam's Minions, they seek to “Restore Democracy”, a form of government on these shores that never was and wisely was never intended.  We will revisit their demonstrations from time to time as they successfully illustrate what divides us. (more here)

[21dec16 update]

Comments

[Gregory]

Paul Emery 431, I do know for a fact that bears really do shit in the woods and they do it at home:"If the scat is heavily concentrated within a small area, you may have also located a bedding down area."

I think you're being mislead by "green libertarians" who, are desperate for an excuse to force draconian CO2 emission reductions without the mess of actually having a debate while having other libertarian freedoms to make illegal whoopee.

[Paul Emery]

My quote was that a bear does not shit in his own backyard-kinda of a poetic gesture Gregory.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

The repercussions of ignoring global warming will be disastrous. You choose to believe what you will and so do I and there is no point in debating.

[Gregory]

Nobody expects the Climate Inquisition.

Paul, it isn't an article of faith unless one lacks knowledge.

[Paul Emery]

In my view the body of knowledge overwhelmingly shows global warming is real and influenced by human activity. Not much doubt in my mind.

[Paul Emery]

Looks like Trump is the only one l4eft that questions Russian interference in our elections except for a few RR participants. Now that's what I call leadership

Mitch McConnell

"There's no question that the Russians were messing around in our election. It is a matter of genuine concern and it needs to be investigated."

[Gregory]

And how much of that knowledge do you understand, as opposed to being able to recite?

"That's a problem, but still I find that I have things to say and people do listen to me, and people have no particular complaints.

It's very sad that in this country, political opinion parted [people's views on climate change]. I'm 100 per cent Democrat myself, and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on this issue, and the Republicans took the right side.
-Freeman Dyson

[George Rebane]

I am amused that 'global warming' (whatever the hell that means) is still debated as a scientific issue which, by any measure, it ceased being years ago.

[Gregory]

So Paul, did them Russkies fiddle more votes than the officials in Detroit whose vote totals were higher than the number of people who voted?

Can you specify just what you think The Russians did and how you think it affected the vote?

George, the quicker Global Warming can return to pre-post-modern science norms, the quicker people like Paul will let it go because real science bores most people even if there will be a quiz later.

[fish]

Posted by: Gregory | 20 December 2016 at 09:15 AM

George, the quicker Global Warming can return to pre-post-modern science norms, the quicker people like Paul will let it go because real science bores most people even if there will be a quiz later.

You're not arguing science with Paul......you're arguing faith! Which is why no matter how many times the model breaks or the prediction fails he'll continue to genuflect before the "Scienticians".

[Paul Emery]

Greg

There is an almost total consensus about Russian interference in our elections with McConnell now even agreeing. There is still debate about the effects but that is hard to quantify so there is no point in responding to your Detroit "question".

In my view there is little doubt that Putin intended to influence the vote by providing stolen email content that was not favorable towards Hillary. Can't quantify the exact effect but that was the intent. What you really need to ask yourself is why Putin favors Trump over Hillary. We'll see real soon when sanctions are lifted on the Rushkies as soon as our pro Exxon Sec of State is installed who was opposed to the sanctions from the start.

" Now that President-elect Donald J. Trump has chosen Rex W. Tillerson, the chief executive of Exxon Mobil, to be the next secretary of state, the giant oil company stands to make some major gains as well: It has billions of dollars in deals that can go forward only if the United States lifts sanctions against Russia.

As head of America’s largest oil company, Mr. Tillerson has earned a friendship award from Russia and voiced skepticism about American sanctions that have halted some of Exxon Mobil’s biggest projects in the country."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/world/europe/rex-tillersons-company-exxon-has-billions-at-stake-over-russia-sanctions.html?_r=0

[Paul Emery]

You're right George there is a consensus on Global Warming so it is no longer debated seriously.

"Climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that humans are causing recent global warming. The consensus position is articulated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) statement that 'human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century' "

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

[Gregory]

Paul,

So, you think WikiLeaks revealed true and unadulterated emails revealing bad acts by Democrats from Brazile to Clinton, but WikiLeaks is lying when they say they didn't get it from the Russians, that it was leaked to them by insiders. Does that pretty much sum it up?

Paul, the language you are using for the certitude of Russian culpability for the loss by the worst Democratic candidate ever is remarkably similar to how you were describing the Presidential election for the past 6+ months. At what point do you readjust your sense of your own judgment?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1028am - Paul, do you have any idea how many times the dominant science's 'consensus' has been proven to be wrong over the centuries, and especially over the last couple of centuries?? Have we passed some mysterious milestone after which consensus errors no longer occur?

[Paul emery]

George the consequence of getting this wrong are huge. Are you willing to live with the possibility you might be wrong on this and accept the consequences?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1042am - Absolutely, as I do for a life-ending asteroid to strike earth, or an errant small black hole to gobble us up, or a neighboring star going super nova on us, or ... .

[Don Bessee]

PE would have been on the side of the flat earthers telling Columbus he was going fall off the end of the earth. ;-)

[Gregory]

Paul, the sky is not falling and the people who have you frightened of the climate bogeyman (including John Cook of the wretchedly misnamed SkepticalScience website) have to date greatly overestimated the warming to date.

Together, George and I have much more than twice the science education than Cook who, before he got his website going, was eking out a living drawing cartoons. The information for that paper was crowdsourced, "citizen scientists" without any proven scientific knowledge who read papers they misunderstood to classify the author's belief in CO2 driven warming.

They did that rather than poll the authors and ask. A number of prominent skeptics with PhD's in physics were pegged as Believers, which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone familiar with the methods of Cook, Oreskes, Lewendowsky et al.

[fish]

Posted by: Don Bessee | 20 December 2016 at 10:48 AM

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

H. L. Mencken

[Gregory]

"George the consequence of getting this wrong are huge. Are you willing to live with the possibility you might be wrong on this and accept the consequences?"

Paul, this challenge of yours is but a restatement of Pascal's Wager, meant to cajole non-believers to believe in GOD because of the consequence of getting it wrong is yuuuge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

[Paul Emery]

Well Gregory and George let's just accept that we have different views onthis matter rather than going through the tedium of debating.

Gregory one question I have of you is why did you vote for Gary Johnson and not Trump or Hillary? I have my reasons but I would include Steinin my pondering.

[Walt]

Winters are getting COLDER.. Blame it on "getting warmer."

[Russ]

Paul, The Consensus has been debunked. Go to this presentation by Lord Christopher Monckton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWLvquQjcd4

At 1:13 into his presentation he goes through the scientific consensus issue line by line and explains how it was debunked.

Cook etal reviewed:
11,944 Abstracts were reviewed
7,930 expressed no opinion on climate change
3,896 agreed that some warming was occurring
64 marked as stating humans were causing most of the warming.
41 of the 64 actual stated humans were causing MOST of the warming
9 marked as endorsing manmade catastrophe.

99.7% of the 11,944 science papers did NOT say recent warming was mostly manmade. Only 0.3% did that is not a scientific consensus.

Now if Lord Monckton is wrong, please let me know, so I can alert him that he made an error in his analysis and calculations.

[Paul Emery]

Looks like the Trumps have taken lessons from the Clintons.

A new Texas nonprofit led by Donald Trump’s grown sons is offering access to the freshly-minted president during inauguration weekend — all in exchange for million-dollar donations to unnamed “conservation” charities, according to interviews and documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

And the donors’ identities may never be known.......

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12/19/20564/donald-trumps-sons-behind-nonprofit-selling-access-president-elect

[Gregory]

Paul 11:39 for the same reason I voted for Johnson rather than Obama or Romney four years ago, or the reasons I voted for Clark and Koch over Reagan or Carter in '80. Or the reason I accepted the invite of Dr. & Mrs. Leary to a reception for Ron Paul in '88. Voted for him, too.

You have a vision of Libertarianism unlike all self identified libertarians I have personally met, but I celebrate your vote noneless. Still, "green libertarians" embrace the personal freedoms OK but delight in coersion all too similarly to the Greens and Democrats for my liking. Coersive Utopians will probably never be at home with libertarians.

[Paul Emery]

Green Libertarians believe in government only when absolutely necessary. We believe environmental concerns are universal in their impact and should be managed by an enlightened culture that appreciates those universal values. Then if essential matters such as clean air and water are not tended to we have to resort to governmental solutions. Bad air and water for example are equivalent to a bear shitting in his own back yard.

Gregory

can you refresh me about why you voted Libertarian rather than for Trump whom I assume would be your second choice.

[Todd Juvinall]

Trump is a pretty good businessman it appears. Go Trump! and sons.

[Todd Juvinall]

Regarding Paul Emery and AGW. The man dances naked on rocks at the Yuba River I hear. And all for the GAia. So that may explain things?

[Paul Emery]

So that was you Todd lurking in the bushes? Join us once the weather warms. I'll give you the secret bonding code and special handshake.

Don't need any ganja. Old age is making me goofy enough.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, it looks like you are suffering from "Trump Acceptance Resistant Disorder". TARD. There is no need to talk to you any further unless you receive help. Same for global climate change.

[Paul Emery]

Here's the quote of the day from Ken Burns

"“Asking this man (Trump) to assume the highest office in the land would be like asking a newly minted car driver to fly a 747,” he declared.

“He is an insult to our history, “Do not be deceived by his momentary good behavior. It is only a spoiled, misbehaving child hoping somehow to still have dessert.”

[Todd Juvinall]

Did you misread my "i hear" on the fact you are dancing naked on the boulders at the Yuba River? Please read more carefully. And I have no interest is seeing your naked figure scaring the hell out of the small animals and fish/

[Bill Tozer]

Is it just me, or did the Russian story kinda deflate after yesterday's Electoral College vote? Off the front page. Hmmm. The Russian hacker story built and built and built up into a feverish 24/7 endless loop played by MSM and left leaning press since the election until....the let down yesterday. Call me skeptical, but it seemed the media was still in the campaign mode with the goal to stop Trump at any cost. Last chance to give it the ole college try.

In all candor, I stopped following the hacker story. My sense is the Russians tried and tried, but probably were denied more often than not, to put it as kindly. The Russians are not that good at hacking and not anywhere in the league as the good hackers that attack our systems. Not to say the Russians were not as successful as others. With that said, here are open questions I have for anyone that is up on the issue:

Has a link been established directly between Russia and Wikileaks .....yet?? Did the Russians hack any files outside of the Wikileaks documents that we know of? If Russia hacked non-Wikileaks material, what were they and who was the target??? Did Russia hack government docs found of Former Secretary of State Clinton's privately owned server? And finally, what other Democrat Party documents were hacked/leaked outside of the DNC and the Clinton Campaign staff, or was it just the private entities of the campaign and the private institution DNC that was targeted?????

Back to the first question for anyone. Has a direct link been established between the Russian State and Wikileaks??? Thanks for doing my homework for me. Bill.

[Paul Emery]

Gonna to be lots of fun actually with the Trump. I'll offer my daily commentary on this blog to warm your hearts.

[Todd Juvinall]

And we will destroy your points with logic and data.

[Paul emery]

Good luck Todd. You've already given the OK for trumps family to do the same things that you were accusing the Clintons of. Good start. Pay to play

[Gregory]

"Green Libertarians believe in government only when absolutely necessary. We believe environmental concerns are universal in their impact and should be managed by an enlightened culture that appreciates those universal values."

I think the Spanish Inquisitors thought much the same, they also believed they knew the important universal values.

This is a recipe for authoritarians/totalitarians to take the reins because the rabble who are resisting the direction of the enlightened are not acting in the best interests of Gaia.

The Constitution, which is actually rather easy to lawfully amend *when* there is broad consensus across all the States (you know, all those Red State hicks) for the amendment, constitutes the "consent of the governed" and the deal is, the Congress needs to conform to the restrictions as to their powers (they are Enumerated) and the basic rights of the people, as a whole and individually, as specified in the several Amendments.

It isn't about social justice or giving climate nazis power to stave off environmental disasters both real and imagined. It's about limiting governments from top to bottom to the powers they have been granted by the People as a whole.

I would have held my nose for Trump over Clinton only as a lesser of evils, and only if my vote would have a finite chance for making a difference, primarily to get a Scalia not another GInzberg or Sotomayor on the SCOTUS.

[Bill Tozer]

Today's news:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/congress-obama-admin-fired-top-scientist-advance-climate-change-plans/

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, pay to play? I think you misunderstood what is happening. Apples and oranges.

[Walt]

LOL.. Paul is for less government? And yet lives in Ca.? What about all those draconian ECO laws Paul? The Commies in Sac. can't pass those laws fast enough. Just a necessary satan Paul?

[Gregory]

"What about all those draconian ECO laws Paul?"

Perhaps he will pipe up and correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like Paul thinks the "enlightened" among us, perhaps functionaries within the EPA, should have the power to regulate in the ECO sphere without oversight by the Congress. If the "enlightened" think we need draconian, they'll give us draconian.

Libertarians generally see that along the lines of "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance." Jefferson sure could turn a phrase, couldn't he?

[Paul Emery]

Too many regs Gregory especially building codes. That's largely a tight coalitionist between the the building industry known as the Universal Building Codes and the insurance companies that automatically adapt any of their regs so you have to incorporate them in your building plans or you can't get insurance therefore no financing. that's just a start. My friend is a barber who doesn't have a shop because where he was workingt shut down. So he's been making house calls for his clients but guess what? that's illegal. You'll get the barber cops after y ou and yes they do exist.

That's a couple of examples.

Don't know the details about the eco laws you refer to Gregory. Give me a little more substance to look at.

[Paul Emery]

Todd or anyone else read this and follow the link and tell me why this isn't pay to play much like the Clinton Foundation which I agree is a scam.

"A new Texas nonprofit led by Donald Trump’s grown sons is offering access to the freshly-minted president during inauguration weekend — all in exchange for million-dollar donations to unnamed “conservation” charities, according to interviews and documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

And the donors’ identities may never be known.

"Prospective million-dollar donors to the “Opening Day 2017” event — slated for Jan. 21, the day after inauguration, at Washington, D.C.’s Walter E. Washington Convention Center — receive a “private reception and photo opportunity for 16 guests with President Donald J. Trump,” a “multi-day hunting and/or fishing excursion for 4 guests with Donald Trump, Jr. and/or Eric Trump, and team,” as well as tickets to other events and “autographed guitars by an Opening Day 2017 performer.”

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12/19/20564/donald-trumps-sons-behind-nonprofit-selling-access-president-elect

[Bill Tozer]

I just heard that Trump will be taking a hard long look at the FCC. Seems many licenses on the further ends of the FM band will not be automatically renewed and sold to the highest bidder for much more money to be put in the people's Treasury. Starting bids of the People's Airwaves with be 10-20 times the current price of the licenses. FM only from Trump's last tweet.

Gotta think of the deficit. :)

[Walt]

Paul. Nice try. There are PLENTY of states that have no building codes. The same goes for building PERMITS.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, you might know. You need a permit here to move a yard of dirt, or is that 3 wheelbarrows of dirt moved in the backyard that needs a permit?

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 December 2016 at 04:17 PM

I'm sure you were every bit as indignant when Sugar Frosted Barry O's did the same thing for his inauguration.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-inauguration-planners-soliciting-1m-donations-article-1.1236317

[Walt]

That's pretty close Bill. I'm surprised the county and State don't have "sales officers" at just about every hardware store, and rental yard. " Lets me zzeee that permit?"

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, the TV News just reported that what you claim for Trump and his sons is FAKE NEWS! Jeeze you fall for anything.

[Walt]

This ain't fake news,, Mass executions by the LIBS.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/20/blame-messengers-dem-boss-schumer-fires-staffers-after-november-rout.html

[Gregory]

Paul, you were the one who claimed [green libertarians]"believe environmental concerns are universal in their impact and should be managed by an enlightened culture"... if you wouldn't rely on an EPA Gone Wild! to do this, please do tell. The EPA we have is pretty much a power unto itself but then to really shut down the use of carbon based fuels will take the power of a virtual worldwide police state to enforce.

Cold kills.

Libertarian libertarians tend to craft environmental law based on property rights... ie you can't pee in the stream your downstream neighbors drink from. How would Paul do it?

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Can you tell me the network or station. I'd like to check that out

[Paul Emery]

States have no building codes or permits Walt? Which ones. Love to know

[Paul Emery]

Walt

Here's a start point. A random look reveals that all states have building codes Such a wild assumption is yours to prove

[Todd Juvinall]

CNN

[Paul Emery]

Here's a start point link

http://www.buildingsguide.com/blog/resources-building-codes-state

thanks Todd I'll check it out

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Here's from the CNN article. Shows the two sons were part of the initial effort.

"The Trump family is distancing itself from a January 21 fundraising event after press reports that attendees could get a meeting with President Donald Trump for $1 million.

The Trump family is distancing itself from a January 21 fundraising event after press reports that attendees could get a meeting with President Donald Trump for $1 million.
The "Opening Day" event, scheduled for the day after Trump's inauguration, is being put on by a foundation devoted to conservation and associated with Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump.

A document filed with the state of Texas lists the two sons as "initial" directors of the Opening Day Foundation, the organization behind the event.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/20/news/trump-opening-day-fundraiser/

[Paul Emery]

Todd

The bottom line is this was not Fake News

[Walt]

Yes, Paul,, there are places. Most states do have mandatory building codes, but there are still 15 states where the existence of codes is a matter of local jurisdiction. Often it is the larger cities that opt for control of building practice, while the the more rural areas are freer. This is true in Alabama, Arkansas,Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
Unlike HERE,, where the county demands you pull a permit to replace one damned board.
There are PLENTY of lawbreakers in Nevada county. If government can pick and choose just which laws to enforce, and or follow, why not everyone else? The dopers have been doing it for how long now?

[Paul Emery]

I agree with you on this one walt. I replaced my toilet and actually needed a permit to do so legally which did not do. Built my own deck as well, the bottom line is you can kinda do what you want as long as no one complains. By the way can you imagine what things would be like if everyone was forced to move out if they lived in an illegal structure or rental?

The "dopers" are a special case. All they are doing is providing a consumer item that is in demand and acceptable to a majority of California residents. They are just being good capitalists providing for profit what the market will offer. No harm in that. No demand, no pot grown. Pretty basic capitalism the government chooses to interfere with.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you said they were involved. Then yu had this quote. Don't you think you are disingenuous with your posting. So I still say this is fake news as reported by YOU!

""The Trump family is distancing itself from a January 21 fundraising event after press reports that attendees could get a meeting with President Donald Trump for $1 million. "

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, your toilet replacement? Were n't you part of the attacks on my little housing project for the middle class in 1993? What a hoot!

[Don Bessee]

What's number for Code Compliance? Hmmmm, I had it here somewhere......... ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, replacing a toilet is one thing, but a deck is quite another. I don't have a problem with someone building a deck as long as it is up to code. I myself always go above and beyond code for footings and even add metal straps for longevity (even when not required) on the supporting framework, but that is just me. I thought as most people do when we replace a window without a permit or build a 2 step riser leading to the front door.
One day I met a real consciouses man building a house to call his home. . He told me something I never forgot. He said codes aren't really for this house I am building, it's for the safety of the next family who buys this house after I am gone.
Build your deck, but keep the next family who buys your house in mind.

Now, as far as the black market goes, you can't say they are not hurting anyone...but themselves. The black market robs the Treasury, thus all of us. Gotta watch the deficit.

[Paul Emery]

Bill

It's the government that makes it black market. Calif is trying to go legit with taxation etc. Lets see what the
Trump team thinks of a little states rights in this matter.

Actually just enhanced the deck that was already there.

Yeah Todd yours was a trashy subdvision without adequate roads or bus stops for kids. Something like 25 units and less than 5 acres. Do you really want to open that discussion again. Died when Dave Tobiason , a Republican, refused to support it.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

It was not fake news.
the Trump bros were involved in the original incarnation of the idea.

from the CNN article you used as a source:

"A document filed with the state of Texas lists the two sons as "initial" directors of the Opening Day Foundation, the organization behind the event. "

did you actually read the CNN artcle that y9ou quoted?

[Paul Emery]

Todd

check this out

Here's a link to the filed document in Texas showing the brothers involvement in thefiling with the state.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3243182-BUSINESS-ORGANIZATIONS-INQUIRY-VIEW-ENTITY.html

[Todd Juvinall]

Fake News, per Paul Emery. Shameful.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, that Trump is something else. Bet he charges a fortune to rent the Lincoln Bedroom. Maybe he will give Putin a discount for the night.
Might as well since he will be sleeping and working in the Tower anyway. DC is a sewer while the House that Donald built is a much nicer place. That will also lower the White House electric bill. Besides, Obama kicked the can down the road and the Oval Office will be in remodeling for a friggin year. Thanks Obma, you really take care of business, not!

No one forced anyone into the black market. It was a choice, period. It's called illegal and it's called greed. 100% responsibility falls on the person, not the State. Moot issue heading into 2017, but one thing stands the test of time: The love of money is the root of all evil. Money is not evil, the love of it is. I have known guys who justify by saying they want to help starving artists or some bull puckey. Nonsense. They just want money and more money and spend more to eat out more often and go on more vacations and buy shiny cars....more, more, more. Greed. They don't go into the black market for their health or to live on the altruistic plane.

But, I too have my shady past. I have even a gross polluter to Nevada City and smoked cigs in downtown, and behind KVMR just for kicks.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, here is the link to the corporate filing. Can you point out the allegation's assertion within the documents. Maybe I just can't see them.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/12/19/20564/donald-trumps-sons-behind-nonprofit-selling-access-president-elect

[Todd Juvinall]

And the Center for Public Integrity ois a liberal "non-profit" So it's veracity is in question. And its founder is a Professor of rather leftwing creds.

[Don Bessee]

Anyone who spends any time following the Soros snail trail will find the worlds biggest sources of FAKE NEWS. It was all in for madam liar liar pantsuits on fire, just like the 'press'. One front group issues a press release about some goal oriented research, also funded by Soros and another in his spider web of benign sounding groups makes a cause celeb about it.
Soros learned well when he was selling out Jews for the haters back in his good old days. ;-)

[fish]

Glorious.....simply glorious!

"Hillary Clinton didn’t lose Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and most importantly Florida because a small percentage of voters switched from her to Trump in those states. She lost those states because millions of Sanders voters nationally, and hundreds of thousands of Democrats and independent progressives in those key states decided not to vote for her because they were disgusted by both her and the Democratic Party.

In other words, even if the Russians did hack the DNC and Podesta emails, and even if the leaked emails (all of which by the way were true and accurate, not fake or doctored!), did manage at the last minute to persuade a few thousand Clinton voters to switch their votes to Trump, or to simply not vote for Clinton, that only had an impact because so many hundreds of thousands of more progressive voters had already written her off as a voting option. The races in those states never should have been that close in the first place, and wouldn’t have been had the Clinton campaign not played so dirty in the primary, and then been so patronizing and vengeful towards the Sanders campaign and Sanders voters after gaining the nomination.

Leaving aside the reality that there is no evidence that Russian government hackers did obtain those emails and handed them over to Wikileaks to release during the last weeks of the campaign (the evidence is really that they were obtained by insider leaks, not by Russian hackers, the truth is that mounting evidence of Clinton corruption and of cheating in the primaries led millions of furious Sanders backers to decide they would never vote for Clinton."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/20/it-wasnt-the-russians-hillary-lost-because-she-blew-off-sanders-and-his-voters/

[Bill Tozer]

Another map.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/766060623544162/?type=3&theater

[Paul Emery]

Yeah that's the link (10:19) Todd with the Trump bros name on it. thanks for verifying my observation that they were into profiting off the Opening Day Event. Here's one we agree on.

[Paul Emery]

Fish

Even Mitch McConnell believes that the Russians interfered in the election,

"“There’s no question that the Russians were messing around in our election,” McConnell told Kentucky Educational Television on Monday night. “It is a matter of genuine concern and it needs to be investigated.”

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I see that if M McConnell says something, it's now the gospel for Paul. That's still not proof, Paul.
"...needs to be investigated."
Actually, they tried to investigate and the CIA apparently has nothing.
And what happened to the Republican emails that were 'hacked'?
Every bit of actual evidence points to an inside leak.
But Paul suddenly has the night sweats over the Rooskies a'comin' to git us.
The Dems can't get their own story straight. Obama claims he frightened Putin into the straight and narrow by lookin' him deep in the eye and a'tellin' him to "cut it out".
Oh course, Obama had his dirty ol' Mexican poncho pushed aside so's he could whip out his nuke'ler arsenal quick draw like and had his Clint squint.
Putin trembled in terror. He remembered about that 'line in the sand' in Syria and was a'skeered.
The DNC claims they were being hacked right up until election day.
Oh dear, what story will Paul go with?

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 21 December 2016 at 08:55 AM

Even before this incident I didn't put much stock into what Mitch McConnell had to say.....

[Russ]

Twitter is ‘toast’ and the stock is not even worth $10.

The microblogging platform’s chief technology officer, Adam Messinger, tweeted that he would leave the company and “take some time off”, while Josh McFarland, vice president of product at Twitter, also said he was exiting the company. Both executives announced their departure on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, last month, Adam Bain stepped down as chief operating officer last month to be replaced by chief financial officer Anthony Noto, who has yet to be replaced. Twitter has also lost leaders from business development, media and commerce, media partnerships, human resources, and engineering this year.

The departures prompted Trip Chowdhry, the managing director of equity research at Global Equities Research, and a noted “uber-bear” on tech stocks, to issue a note on Tuesday claiming Twitter is “toast” and “not even a $10 stock”.

Twitter was fun in its freewheeling early days, a sort-of 24/7 cocktail party you could visit when it suited you. But it never was useful at driving web traffic, and its signal-to-noise ratio got way out of whack, just as the company was making ham-fisted efforts at monetizing a platform where there wasn’t much money to be made.

The social justice warrior stuff of the last couple of years was really just the stale icing on a badly made cake.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/21/twitter-is-toast-and-the-stock-is-not-even-worth-10-analyst.html

Now that the Social Justice Warriors have wiped out Twitter, this solves one of Trumps problems "Twitter Addiction" The real questions is, what will be Twitter's replacement. Trump uses it to by pass the lame stream press, which is a clear need and purpose. Something will be found to replace Twitter once it is gone for good.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul
Yes, let's investigate it. No problem. A nice Blue Ribbon Commission should do the trick and make it all better and make everyone happy. Meanwhile, I am disappointed we still have McConnell breathing air. He has to go, but it will be awhile until we get the opportunity to grind his RINO face across broken glass. We have just started to rid our Great Nation of the Wretched Establishment. McCain, limp wristed Grahm, and McConnel. They are War Mongers just as much as the Dems. Our anger did not go anywhere. The anger is what put Trump in charge, not the Republican Party or the Democrat Party.

First, we had to grab Hillary and stomp on that hideous voicebox. Now that Trump is standing on Hillary's neck, we can turn our attention to cleaning our side of the street. The calander just made us put Mitch on hold and deal with the election. McConnell is not on the top priority list for awhile. We have a couple of years or more to get to him. Haste makes waste.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is still keeping an eye of Russia so we can relax until the bi-partisan Blue Ribbon Commission is appointed sometime next year. Report should be ready by fall.

[Gregory]

"Even Mitch McConnell believes that the Russians interfered in the election,“There’s no question that the Russians were messing around in our election,”" Paul 855

Paul, was that Felony messing around or Misdemeanor messing around?

If this "messing around" turns out to have been hacking in Democrat's poorly secured computers and networks, followed by release of faithful copies showing bad acts by said Democrats, I suggest a civil action suing Putin might be your best bet. If it's just "messing around", like the "messing around" the NSA was doing with Angela Merkel's phone at one time before she was issued a secure German mobile phone, just gathering intelligence like EVERYONE does, there might not be any action to take other than getting mad and stomping your little feet at yourselves for being stupid.

We will have a President Trump in about a month. Get used to it. The more "you people" throw tantrums over Trump and the election, the easier Steve Bannon's job will be.

[Bill Tozer]

Here is the question:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMnZB0gCuSo

Answer: The White Supremists! The Electrol College! Because the Press treated me unfairly! Fake news! The MSM did not get the truth about Trump out! Because nobody likes me! Because of dodging sniper fire in The Balkins! The FBI!, Misogyny, I tripped!, Huma's Weiner, Talk Radio!.
Nah, it was the Russians..... or that voice.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

You seem to be condoning our enemy interfering with our election by distributing stolen private correspondence to their desired political selection to effect the outcome. Am I wrong in that assessment?

[Gregory]

fish 938

McConnell is doing a far better job for Republicans than the rabble gives him credit for. It isn't easy to get things done when you don't have 60 votes, a President in the opposition and a free press that's free to write anything against you that it wants without much regard for fairness, virtually always siding with your opposition.

[fish]

Posted by: Gregory | 21 December 2016 at 11:24 AM

Still just a bit too much stench of the RINO wafting off Senator McConnell for my liking.

[Bill Tozer]

The Russians gave Wikileaks the docs?

[Gregory]

Paul 1121, your question is too grammatically and logically flawed to give a good reply, and just assuring you that you are once again wrong in your assessments is probably the most true reply possible.

We don't know *what* the Russians were doing, and that includes you. Wikileaks is adamant that the Russkies aren't their source.

If some leaker gave Wikileaks the true information that pulled back the drapes to reveal the levers of corruption being pulled in and around the DNC, they should get a medal. It it was Putin's flying monkeys, well, someone is going to get a tongue lashing.

[Paul Emery]

The Russians or their agent yes.

[Don Bessee]

The real problem for PE's hysteria is that the Russian hacking started before President Trump entered the race. The dem staffer who took 5 to the back and was left with his cash and phone in DC is the most likely provider of docs to wickileaks. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

More confirmation of a Trump-Putin deal to remove sanctions. No wonder Putin tried to swing the election. Here's the perfect motive.

At the same news conference, Mr. Trump also appeared to leave the door open to accepting Russia’s annexation of Crimea two years ago — which the United States and its European allies consider an illegal seizure of territory. That seizure, and the continued efforts of Russian-aided insurgents to undermine the government of Ukraine, are the reason that the United States and its allies still have economic sanctions in force against Moscow.

When asked whether he would recognize Crimea “as Russian territory” and lift the sanctions, Mr. Trump said: “We’ll be looking at that. Yeah, we’ll be looking.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4022826/Concrete-barriers-erected-German-Christmas-market-Birmingham-stop-terror-attacks.html

[Todd Juvinall]

I am getting used to the humor Paul Emery brings to this thread and blog. Keeps me laughing. And knowing he believes all his little conspiracy theories makes me laugh even harder. Thanks.

[Paul Emery]

No conspiricy Todd just logical deduction as to why Putin would prefer
Trump rather than Clinton who would never propose such a deal. You must be in approval then as to possibly letting Crimea be annexed by the Russions.

Watch out George Estonia could be next on your guy Trumps barter list.

[Paul Emery]

By the way Todd did you read the link you posted showing the Trump Bros as Registered Agents in Texas for the "Opening Day Event. that is not fake news unless you believe the documents are forged.

[Bill Tozer]

My, the plot thickens. Trump is building a terrific Tower with reindeer meandering about the grounds in the heart of Red Square. They might need to move the Kremlin. Dunno, we are looking at that. Meanwhile, Putin has booked a lovely honeymoon cottage in the Urals so the two men can get get to know each other better.

The election is not rigged, it's oil rigged.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/766055056878052/?type=3&theater

[Paul Emery]

Good one Bill

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery where on the link and the legal docs does it say that? I seem to have missed that.

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“We’ll be looking at that. Yeah, we’ll be looking.”
Oh yeah, that is a straight out admission that Trump will present his hind end to Putin once in office.
Paul - that quote from 2 years ago doesn't make it clear as to what action if any, Trump was talking about.
Look - China and Russia only understand one thing. A base ball bat laid out across their face good and hard.
We've just gone through 8 years of a presidency that signalled to the whole world that the US isn't going to do anything to anybody with the exception of a few drone strikes out in the desert.
Paul, please tell us exactly what you would have Trump do re Russia and China claiming and occupying neighboring sovereign countries. If he starts a fight, he'll be the war-monger we were warned about. If he doesn't, he'll be the puppet we were warned about.
We know you lefties don't like him, but it's obvious you want to pick a fight with him 24/7 no matter what he does.
Here's a swell idea Paul - wait until he's sworn in and see what he actually does. I'm sure I'll have complaints against him as well as you, but mine will be based on reality against your non-stop bitching based on the fact that your hair's on fire.
BTW - if anyone, and I mean anyone, wants to leak emails that are truthful that expose how corrupt my govt is, I'm for it.
The problem is, apparently, that only the Dems have to worry about such leaks.

[Todd Juvinall]

All I see is "Opening Day Foundation" on the header Paul Emery. There is no reason to nake the stretch you and the other conspiracy folks made to pay to play. Where did you get that anyway?

I do recall you never said anything about Hillary Clinton's thank you dinner to her donors the other day. Trump was out thanking "Joe Sixpack" while she was raking in millions from billionaires. So why nothing from you on that?

Regarding Bill Clinton and his little mommy-wife. They set up a non=profit for their inaugurations as well as a couple of defense funds when he lost his law license and was being sued by Paula Jones and others. I don't recall you getting all aflutter about that.