An Early Take on Trump (updated 22jan17)

George Rebane

Yesterday’s early snowfall left our rooftop satellite dish glommed up and dysfunctional.  So Jo Ann and I, with our puppy, watched the inaugural doings at our neighbors who also happened to be close friends and more wisely had their dish installed at easily accessible ground level.  What we witnessed was and continues to be an historical transfer of power and change of governance, most certainly in its style but hopefully also in its execution.

President Trump’s inaugural speech painted a decidedly dark and depressed state of our union that he ascribed to years of power accumulation toward a hubristic center that is distant from most Americans.  The basis for his offered solutions to the categorical problems we suffer from is to “give power back to the people.”  This echoes the national perception that our government is supposed to be Lincoln’s ‘of, by, and for the people’.  But today our country is so deeply divided that even this universally accepted shibboleth has a radically different interpretation for the socialist/collectivist Left and the conservative/libertarian Right.

Those like me heard ‘power back to the people’ as Trump’s intention to devolve a goodly number of federal tentacles with the accompanying reduction in the sheer size of inward-facing, people-controlling government, and pass these functions back to local control or even do away with some of them completely.  In short, it was a herald for a rebirth of federalism.

But that is not the Left’s view of ‘people power’ which received its perennially persistent form from Comrade Vlad the Former that is still practiced by Comrade Vlad the Latter.   These worthies teach us that the goal of collectivist governance is universal democracy.  Nothing shall come between the people and their central government.  All things of moment shall be determined by the wholesale will of the people executed in the form of national referenda, initiatives, and plebiscites.

Our social engineers of whatever hue all promote such application of universal suffrage because they know that when herded, the controlling majority becomes very controllable.  The herd has always allowed itself to be stampeded in desired directions and soothed by siren songs even as they amble to their own slaughter.  The hard fast rule is to excise any tendency toward dispersed discussion and decisions, but instead restrict dialogue to be between the directed masses and the center.  In that form of social organization dissenters can be quickly dispatched before their cries are heard.  Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, … have been expert at such purposely shaped and carefully managed ‘socialist democracies’.  Given this, even today’s mildly attentive American has no problem in distinguishing which kind of democracy is the goal of his leftleaning neighbors.

Our Founders knew through brute force intellect the philosophical arguments against the inevitable tyranny of centralized control.  And they knew that it was easier to herd sheep and nigh impossible to herd cats.  Therefore they gave us the mechanism by which the independent minded states could be barely herded and then only under defined dire circumstances.  They based their social model on the free individual abiding by a social contract constrained by his common God, shared culture, and universally recognized greed.  Practicing self-interest and understanding it in his neighbors gave rise in America to a working paradigm that needed only a modicum of monitoring and management through a few powers relinquished to the collective (i.e. government).   And even that collective to be trusted had to be local enough so that the individual citizen could keep his eye on the doings of power.  All of that is and has been outside the ken of and completely foreign to the logic of the Left for whom the greater good always comes from the greater government.

In recent decades our constitutional republicanism has received the added imprimatur of science.  We can now explain in mathematically precise terms why nature has only evolved life forms with distributed control structures.  Stated another way, there is no known plant or critter whose life – i.e. bodily functions that enable survival – is controlled from one supreme centrum or master controller.  Our bodies, through our diversely purposed organs down to our individual cells, are controlled locally, employing inputs through local interfaces that convey two-way information and transmit resources.  The overarching paradigm here is ‘Keep it Simple Stupid!’

Nature (i.e. the structure of our universe) ‘knows’ that the bigger and more complex a system is, the more difficult it is to monitor and control.  The relationship between a system’s input, its environment, current state, and its output (response) is determined by what we now call its transfer function.  The truth of the matter is that transfer functions of large complex systems are not only unknown, but unknowable in Nature and within our current state of knowledge.  Our Founders and their intellectual descendants knew this before science confirmed it.  But the anti-intellectual Left continues to wallow in their hubris of central control that hearkens back to the misery of monarchies and theocracies (both ancient and contemporary).

So without access to a computable transfer function we cannot reasonably relate any system’s (e.g. government, economy, home heating system, MRI, environmental policy, …) gazintas to its comzatas, and without that ability we cannot determine the gazintas needed to get the desired comzatas – we don't know what comzata here if we make something gazinta there, capice?  And here’s the ideological litmus test, if you understand this you have a chance of being a classical liberal.  And if you don’t, you most likely believe that there exists a body of elite experts who can fashion and enforce behaviors (aka public policies, laws, regulations, …) that deliver the ‘greatest good to the greatest number’.  The more devout of you leftwingers also believe that Comrade Josif Vissarjonovich was correct when he observed that “you need to crack a few eggs to make an omelet.”

Many people of the Left in the US and across the world are in a pre-hysterical froth, today demonstrating across the Earth against what they know in their hearts, that Donald Trump will not only destroy their quality of life, but also deny us a future in which mankind will finally find its altruistic destiny of universal happiness and contentment within the embrace of a nurturing and unspoiled Gaia.

But the observable logic of these women (and their “girley men”?) is both revealing and regrettable as their signs with emblazoned “Stay Out of My Uterus!” testify.  They still don’t understand that that is exactly what the Republicans want the government to do, is to stay out of their private parts.  It should be up to women everywhere to determine what goes into their private parts and what comes out of there.  However, what those leftwingers in the streets will never understand is that we want neither to subsidize nor direct the traffic that women encourage through those conduits.  Your sexual plumbing is your own business, so don’t demand that I maintain it from my earnings.

I believe that President Trump will do his best to get that message out and then implement its financial provisions.  And that is only one aspect of the across the board insane worldview that the hundreds of thousands today on the Mall share.  By any measure not one of their touted grievances about America’s women hold water.  And there is no evidence that our new president will do ANYTHING to denigrate the country’s women (past private pussy grabbing conversations aside, which were just testeronic braggadocio that really did not denigrate womanhood per se).  However, that cannot be said about the output continually delivered by our leftwing entertainment media.

So the conversation from Trump’s inaugural address comes down to his proposal to henceforth put ‘America First!’ in the minds and energies of Americans.  I and mine interpret this new and strongly stated objective as the intent for the federal government under Trump and the Republicans to reinstate America’s national interest as the prime directive for implementing policies that increase the quality of life and future prospects for America’s citizens.  ALL other interests are to be suborned to America’s national interests.

Those who have globalist aspirations or simply seek to denigrate President Trump on a partisan basis will attempt to convince the pre-educated that America First is code for America Űber Alles.  There is no evidence for this and such an argument is false on its face.  However, America First does promote policies, both foreign and domestic, that increase the common weal of the broad population of American citizens.  In the domestic domain this involves policies that enable individuals to maximally achieve their potential with a minimum of imposed wealth redistribution.  Contrary to leftwing dogma, reality dictates that a lower Gini Index (here), indicating more equality, does not guarantee a higher quality of life.  No measure of QoL should include covetous envy of your neighbor’s property.  But sadly that is the very foundation of socialist thought, and the inevitable policies that ensue.  I believe President Trump also believes that.

On the foreign scene President Trump’s message is consistent with a policy that encourages us to negotiate win-win trade arrangements with all sovereign-nation states that already pursue their own national interests.  How well he and his team will do that remains to be seen.  But I take heart in that the people he has nominated to fill those slots are people who understand the real world and have a demonstrated success working in such an environment.

And the message to our enemies, both declared and still in the contemplative phase, should be that memorably proclaimed by JFK – “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”  And the first liberty that we will take will be to return to a government that is of, by, and for the people wherein we understand that ‘for the people’ means for the benefit of all America’s citizens.  And further, that no one should mistake that ‘for the benefit of all’ in any way demands such benefit to bestow equal outcomes for all – such an imposed equality does everything but “assure the survival and the success of liberty.”

Now let’s let President Trump get his team in place, give him some time and space, and see what he can and will accomplish on our behalf, and what kind of greatness is he really talking about.  It is clear that today’s demonstrators will have none of that.

[22jan17 update]  We need to remind readers new to the socio-political doings on Earth that yesterday’s worldwide women’s marches had little to do with women or women’s rights.  It was simply the global Left flexing its considerable bought and paid for (here) muscle, and for the time presenting itself as adherents of socialism.  They have correctly identified growing global nationalism in the defense and continuation of Westphalian world order as their mortal enemy.  Here the only naivete opponents of socialism may embrace is that socialism is the destination of such marching hordes.  Their real objective to the rest of us is much more grim.

Comments

[BradC]

Trump gave no assurances of helping allies in his speech. He has said about NATO that, basically, it may be obsolete, and it is all about dollars and cents and cost sharing. If a country cannot pay, they are out (Let the Rooskies have those countries?)

Equating a JFK quote to what Trump 'meant'? I don't think so.

President Trump needs work as 'Leader of the Free World".

[Gregory]

I learned long ago that to have a negotiation, the others need to believe you are capable of stepping away from the table. If they don't think you can you are at a disadvantage.

I think Trump is just establishing that can walk away. Maybe the other NATO members will actually pay up what was previously agreed to and maybe even a wee bit more.

It would probably be healthy for the POTUS to be seen as the President of the USA first and the "leader of the free world" as a not too distant second.

[Todd Juvinall]

Spicer chastising the lamestreams today was great. I hope it starts them on the road to finally doing journalism rather than opinion pieces. We will see.

[Todd Juvinall]

Oh and I wonder when the Secret Service will call on Madormat for wanting to blow up the White House with I assume, Trump in it. She never gave thsoe true believers their BJ. Broken promises and she says that about the Trumpster.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

I like this picture. The conflation of grrl power and subjugation of women.

https://i.redd.it/2212kjxjy3by.jpg

[George Rebane]

Scenes 624pm - anyone else note the clear genuflection to sharia in the posters of American women with their hair covered by Islamic hijabs?

[Russ]

George,

A water hose with a nozzle to produce a stream strong enough to reach the satellite dish is more than enough to solve the snow on the dish problem.

[George Rebane]

Russ 654pm - thought of that years ago. Can't reach the front of the dish from on the ground. Will put in electric heater.

[Walt]

I saw that picture today and said to myself, " Self,, just what is up with that? That's wrong on SO many levels."

[Don Bessee]

Dr. R, A hypo squirt, pressure pump water gun filled with warm water is a blast on those kind of snow days! Give the dish a good blast of WD40 when its dry, that's a big help. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Or, live without your magic picture boxes. And horseless carriages. And.....

[Bill Tozer]

& 6:57

Did you try calling the cops? I like those entries in the Police Blotter about some lady's Dish TV is not working. Usually in an ice or snow storm. It can be a real emergency. Hmmm. Better have the lovely bride call unless you want to be the first male in history to report such a calamity. Or, just pull out the old peace maker and blow that sumbitch to Kingdom Come.

[Todd Juvinall]

For Frisch and Paul Emery. Scenes from a pu**y riot. The women at that march were pretty narly and nasty. Check them out.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/scenes-from-a-pussy-riot/article/2612595

[Bill Tozer]

Back to the topic. I heard America First as our new policy, both foreign and domestic. I heard a call to patriotism as our source of unity. I also heard about tombstones across the land, decaying infrastructure, and school systems flush with cash failing the pototenial of our next generation. I heard Trump sum up failed policies and broken promises as carnage.

Let our overseas friends and foes decipher what that means to them.

Brad: Here is how one man sees NATO. And Russia. And ISIS. What is that phrase the Social Justice Warriors use for common ground among the various identity politics factions? Intersectionality I believe.

http://buchanan.org/blog/new-president-new-world-126437

[Account Deleted]

"He has said about NATO that, basically, it may be obsolete, and it is all about dollars and cents and cost sharing. If a country cannot pay, they are out (Let the Rooskies have those countries?)"
Brad can be excused for his ignorance as he probably has no awareness of the conditions of that time when JFK uttered those words.
Those 'other countries' are far more prosperous than they were then and can pay far, far more than they do now. Germany and most of NATO are welfare slackers that are coasting on Uncle Sam's dime.
We are talking about countries that have developed some of the most advanced weapon systems in the world, but will not foot the bill for their own defence.
Trump is simply giving notice that if they don't care about their own defence, why should we?
But Brad thinks Germany is poor and suffering under an onerous socialistic system thrust upon them by unseen forces and shouldn't have to pay to defend them selves. Am I correct, Brad?

[Norm Sauer]

I take a very different view of what Trump said. He told we the People that power is now transferred to us. This is our Constitutional right. But, with each right there is a corresponding duty. It is our responsibility to use what power we have to help President Trump achieve his goals for America. We must step up and be vocal. We must write our senators, our representatives, etc. and do our part in as many ways as imaginable to exercise what power we have. STEP UP! BE HEARD! DON'T TAKE "NO" FOR AN ANSWER. TOGETHER WE CAN GET IT DONE. Without such an attitude Trump may be stalled to death and not accomplish what he has set out to do. Believe!!!

[Russ]

Spot on Norm. It is our responsibility to hold our elected officials "feet to the fire" to make sure they get done what needs to be done. We all have to Step Up and Be Heard.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

A policy statement by (at least some of) the Women Marchers.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/58796773414fb52b57e20794/1484351351914/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pdf

"We believe migration is a human right and that no human being is illegal. "

[Todd Juvinall]

Honestly, doesn't Frisch look like Michael Moore?

[stevenfrisch]

osted by: Todd Juvinall | 22 January 2017 at 09:30 AM

It is almost like you possess the mind of a child.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yes I am young at heart. Thanks.

[Walt]

You can ALWAYS tell a LIB protest was held. "Let someone else clean it up."
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/liberal-women-march-trump-leave-trash-heaps-someone-else-clean/

[Bill Tozer]

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154381825835914/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10154382168195914/?type=3&theater

[Bill Tozer]

Just replayed some clips from "The Dark Speech". Eye opening to me the second time around. I think I will rephrase the speech as an ANTI-communism/socialism/redistribution of wealth speech.

Nature Law? Explains why Trump was asking legal scholars about Nature Law behind the scenes for awhile now. They probably just confirmed and validated what he initiatively knew and felt. Who knows......

[Russ]

DRIANA COHEN: No hats off to rallies’ huge double standard.

Of course none of these women were up in arms and protesting when Hillary “went low” by calling Republicans “deplorables” and comparing conservatives to “terrorist groups.” Liberal women everywhere gave her a pass. They also looked the other way when she didn’t walk the walk when it came to advocating for equal pay for women while serving as a U.S. senator for New York. Senate financial expenditures show Hillary gave the majority of the top-paying jobs to men.

Under Hillary’s watch, women made 72 cents on the man’s dollar — a fact that didn’t result in widespread demonstrations.

These “pussyhatters” also gave President Obama a monumental pass for failing women economically.

Under Obama’s watch, more than 2 million women fell into poverty, according to 2014 Census Bureau reports. The Obama administration also failed to put “equal pay” into practice over the last two terms. But these left-wing women — with their blatant double standards — chose to turn their rage against Trump instead.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/adriana_cohen/2017/01/adriana_cohen_no_hats_off_to_rallies_huge_double_standard?

[Todd Juvinall]

What I took from the babes speechs was simple. Obama and the left really screwed them over and they are now venting. So it was about Obama! Otherwise how can they blame a man who just arrived?

[Todd Juvinall]

Well heck Aaron and GB are out.

[Todd Juvinall]

Russ 327

It is fruitless to cite the facts that are contrary to the bias of the left and their press. Trump pays women equal to men yet get no press credit. He promotes them as well. But all these lefty babes think about is him squeezing their privates (which I think they might really want) So no matter what the truth is, Trump will never get the credit for doing exactley what those gals say they want.

[Bill Tizer]

Hey, we all know it was one big pro-abortion rally presented in an anti-misogynist wrapping. Domestic violence and BLM got pushed to the back of the bus. They have better spokespersons that that elderly 59 year old slot beyond her years Madonna and the Jugs Lady crying that the relative newcomer Scarlett O'Hara got paid less then the leading man in a movie made in 30'some. There are a lot more articulate and thoughtful speakers on women's issues than those whack jobs that made the headlines in the media. As far as the wage Gap goes it is usually misconstrued as income gap not wage Gap between two people doing the same job over the same period of time. Men are more apt to volunteer for overtime then women as a woman has the terrible job of shuttling back between work and home where as a man generally is dedicated to the workplace. Yes this is an oversimplification but the real issue was "let me kill babies let me kill babies let me kill babies and you are going to pay for it" . I say go ahead and kill all the babies you want just don't expect me to condone it or pay for it. But that's just me.

[Todd Juvinall]

Ashley Judd's disgusting tirade at the Women's March. Who would give this any credence?

http://sierradragonsbreathe.blogspot.com/2017/01/ashey-judd-is-mentally-challenged-and.html

[Todd Juvinall]

Rush made a great point on this crowd stuff the lamestreams are all aflutter about. When Trump has his rallies the media would not report the numbers or even show the crowds. Doing their best for Hillary to diminish his appeal. Now they think we give a shit that they report on the crowds in DC or anywhere.

[Paul Emery]

Sorry to rain on your parade George but Trump's polls for his first weekend are the lowest in recorded history. History has shown that it's downhill from here.

"Trump’s approval rating in the Gallup survey, conducted last Friday through Sunday, opens at 45 percent — the same percentage of Americans that said they disapprove of Trump’s first weekend on the job.

In fact, Trump is beginning his presidency with the lowest initial approval rating in the modern polling era, according to Gallup.

But while Trump’s first approval rating is improved from the poor reviews Americans gave to his presidential transition, it is also lower than previous presidents — a sign Trump has entered the White House without the same support from Americans that others have enjoyed. Barack Obama’s opening approval rating in January 2009 was 67 percent, George W. Bush’s was 57 percent in 2001, Bill Clinton’s was 58 percent in 1993, George H.W. Bush’s was 51 percent in 1989 and Ronald Reagan’s was also 51 percent in 1981.

Jimmy Carter’s first approval rating in 1977 was 66 percent, Richard Nixon’s was 59 percent in 1969, John Kennedy began his presidency in 1961 with a 72-percent approval rating and Dwight Eisenhower’s first approval rating in 1953 was 68 percent.

Trump’s initial approval rating is also lower than the scores for Gerald Ford (71 percent) and Lyndon Johnson (78 percent), who entered the Oval Office following – respectively – the resignation and assassination of their predecessors."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/01/poll-trump-approval-rating-post-inauguration-234048

[Bill Tozer]

@one minute before one pm:
ROFLMAO. Polls? Like does anyone care. Oh Paul, you are so adorable! Well, in a ever changing world, there is comfort that somethings simply stay the same. A silver lining. Whoever said the cnly constant in life is change has been proven wrong.

By all means, carry on. Polls, lol. Paul is one wild and crazy dude. Funny man.

[Paul Emery]

Just reporting on the facts Bill. No honeymoon for the Trumper

[Bill Tozer]

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/784185995064958/?type=3&theater

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, no one here cares. Trump won. The besy poll there is.

[Thomas Masles]

George,

I believe what you have written so eloquently is a succinct description of Mr. Trump and his vision. I am having fun watching him take the whell of the executive branch. I take him seriously but actually find humor in his antics with tweets and comments fighting back I believe he is a good and honest man. Nobody owns him. He has built a fabulous business and has a wonderful family. Thus I think he'll do much of what he promises. I'm ready for the left to diminish everything he does because it's what they do. It's all they can do. I don't believe in polls so I am not bothered by whatever or wherever his opening approval rating is. So be it. God Bless America. I think He just has.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

I don't care if you care so we're even. Hows God doing? Had a talk with him lately. You seem to have an inside track.

[Todd Juvinall]

Oh Paul Emry, how is that goat sacrifice working for for you. It really brings you closer to your nirvana?

[Paul Emery]

I'm Greek Todd. We sacrifice lambs and eat them on Easter Sunday. An old Christian thing Greek Orthodox style.

[Todd Juvinall]

Thought so. Heathen.

[Paul Emery]

So Greek Orthodox are all going to hell right Todd.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yes they are. Appears you will have some company in the hot spot.

[George Rebane]

Oh, how I love these theological discussions ;-)

[Gregory]

I understand Mozart went to heaven but is the only one there who gets weekend passes to Hell. I expect he also grabbed women's private parts on a regular basis.

It has been established by the theologians at South Park Studios that it was the *Mormons* who got it right. The *Mormons*. Please remember that.

One must give the Progressives their due... they've managed to trash the beginning of the Trump administration, even managing to put on a Women's March that effectively excludes the majority of white women who voted Trump and a very large minority of all women who voted Trump, more than 40%.

[Bonnie McGuire]

When they first started making an issue using political polls I thought it was a disgusting, dishonest way to manipulate minds. It's interesting that this election made it obvious, and how misleading and corrupt so much of our major media has become. Inciting division and violent unrest. It's not nice to encourage vile, ignorant people to riot and burn down their country because when they don't get their way.

[Paul Emery]

George

You should be thrilled to have as one of your contributors someone who has a direct connection with God. I'm hoping Todd will give me an advance on the Second Coming. That would be a scoop for KVMR for sure. I mean God and Country in one package. b

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery I would rather you post your sheep sacrifices here for all to see. Maybe all that rock dancing with your pals could be a hit on Youtube. But alas, my connection with GOD is no better than any common Christian. Enjoy the toasty land you are headed to.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Speaking of private parts.

http://imgur.com/jf3DqyE

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

The lines of battle are shaping up. Choose your side.

https://i.redd.it/ntull3bmphby.jpg

[Don Bessee]

PE- A lot of people have a personal relationship with God. You are a self proclaimed druid, its not complicated.

Jimmy Carters rating sure helped his 1 term be successful, NOT! ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Mozart was a Mormon?

[Walt]

I wonder if this guy's wife went to a march?
http://www.kansas.com/news/nation-world/article128286869.html
Rob a bank for the felony jail time? It's really going to suck if he get's
house arrest. Judges love alt sentencing.

[Don Bessee]

I find it interesting that while poor PE is frantically posting any poll he can find that's anti-Trump he ignores the gallop average of polls during a whole administration. Their numbers have Nixon above 0 in the average of their polls. Keep spinning your wheels PE, its fun to watch you hyperventilate. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

God? Religion? Spirituality?

Actually, we are on topic. The Inauguration did have more prayers given by men and a woman of the cloth than usual. I picked up on that right off. As Don Bessee pointed out, I heard someone reply to a NeverTrumper that we already elected a Sunday School teacher and that did not work out very well.

I recently replayed a clip from then Illinois State Senator Obama's famous No Blue State, No Red State speech at the 2004 Dem Convention. What I never picked up on before was the younger Obama beaming, raising both hands up above his uplifted head, and exuberantly saying 'We have an Awesome God!" He looked enraptured. I said within my self, "Whatever happened to that guy?" "God Bless the United States of America!" he boomed to the crowd going crazy.

BTW, he had to borrow the money to get to the Convention to give that speech. 4 and a half years later he was sworn in as President. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

Christians do not have a corner on the good deeds market, not by a long shot. Liberals have some real hard core God haters in their numbers. The "G" word is like fingernails on the blackboard to some of them. Especially the ones coming out of college with a Liberal Arts education. Some have been damaged by organized religion for sure. I said some....no broadbrush, just my observations.

I used to read Proverbs back in the day. Somethings stick, and somethings are long forgotten. But one verse just popped in my head. A great irony if you will:

From memory, may not have it exact....."A fool says there is no God, yet his heart rages against God." I have seen that a lot in my observations.

I will take all the prayers I can get. I need them as much as the next guy.

[Gregory]

Tozer 526,

All Mozart needs to be a Mormon is for someone to claim they are related to him and retroactively make him a Mormon, but no, I was not claiming that has been done. Yet. I wouldn't bet a'gin it.

I'm waiting for a valid procedure to retroactively make someone an a-gnostic. As if any a-gnostic really cares :)

[Bill Tozer]

Ok, here is a stab at the main thrust of Dr. Rebane's post. I assume you all read it since it was up high on the right column on the Drudge Report a couple days ago. Pretty good after you scroll down past the first 5-7 paragraphs.

We are in unchartered waters. Neither the Establishment, the Republican Establishment, the Democrat Establishment, nor the Media is behind Trump. Just the Deplorables and no one else at this time. No one but those who rooted for him had Trump's back. That is why polls and crowd size mean little at the moment.. He is talking to us, the people, and not the other movers and shakers. Look to what he said on the campaign trail to figure out where this is all going. There is no roadmap when you are in unchartered waters.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-declares-independence-1484956174?tesla=y

[Paul Emery]

Trump today was quoted as saying he lost the popular vote because of 3-5 million votes cast by illegal immigrants. Good Grief this guy is a pathological liar. Where did he get those numbers? Is there an investigation going on? What states did they come from?" Are those states investigating voter fraud?

[Don Bessee]

When you post PE its all starting to sound like why, why, why from an 8 year old. Get some new material. Snooozeorama! ;-)

[Walt]

Right Paul,, Voter fraud usually occurs in LIB strongholds, where LIBS control everything.
A LIB investigating a LIB, and then actually admitting there was a skunk in the works? LOL!
Forget the blatant voter intimidation by the Blacks with clubs? What did the head LIB of the DOJ Holder do about it? Let's hear it from you.

[Walt]

Looks lie the DNC figured out why they lost. Hint.. (White people)
https://news.grabien.com/story-dnc-chair-candidates-bash-white-people-racially-charged-foru

[Walt]

"LiKe".... My "K" key is on it's way out......

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, without your K key how will you ever be a member of the KKK in good standing? :)
Darn Walt, without a K you can't go into the kitchen. That sucks.
https://www.facebook.com/baconfun/photos/a.218197521682737.1073741826.215795535256269/726469640855520/?type=3&theater

More on topic: General Mattis caught on camera on his way to his first day at work this morning

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f4CizzE-zZo

[Paul Emery]

New material Don. He said that today. Walt, if you agree with Trump can you show me some documentation of an investigation or source of the information? What States did the fraud occur in?

[Don Bessee]

Why, why, why? Waaaaaa! Can someone please send PE a weed flavored pacifier and some play dough? ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Don

Don't be an idiot. Do you Believe Trump of not and if you do what is your source of information.

[Walt]

I'm pretty sure everyone else here knows exactly what I'm referring to.
A Black guy with a bat, in front of a voting station. Look it up. All caught on tape.

[Don Bessee]

Poor PE seems to be scurrying so fast because he does not want to have to suffer through watching the Union bosses at the White House cheer President Trump about his speech resonating with the working people. Real working people in the States that elected him including lots of union members and i suspect a few Bosses too, on the low down of course. ;-)

[Gregory]

Good grief Paul, are you gullible to the party line! There are serious observers who suspect a large single digit percentage of non-citizens actually vote and have been a winning margin for some in Congress, including Senator Stuart Smalley (aka Al Franken).

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/391474/non-citizens-are-voting-john-fund

This is also chock full of claims made in testimony to Congress
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20150212/102975/HHRG-114-GO06-Wstate-vonSpakovskyH-20150212.pdf

Neither party (especially Dems) have shown a desire to crack down on this whether it's one or a million. Trump's people may be headed down a more confrontational path.

It's amazing what doesn't get found when the justice dept really doesn't want to find it.

[Don Bessee]

Gregory, lets not forget the recent poll of immigrants that showed plenty of those with green cards who admitted voting. How many voted and did not admit it to the pollster? ;-)

[Gregory]

Don, I'm guessing it wouldn't take rocket scientists to cross reference green cards with voter registrations, and registrations to precinct records, with some shoe leather spent to track down which ones are actually indicative of criminal action. If any, but I think to believe it's zero is akin to belief in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Paul, do you believe in the Easter Bunny?

[Gregory]

What else? When an illegal alien gets arrested, see if they are registered to vote at any of their past and present known addresses.

[Todd Juvinall]

I heard in the ether that a couple of million illegals voted in California. Paul Emry, please check that out.

[Don Bessee]

Gregory 827- It wouldn't take a rocket scientist, just someone in government with the will. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

@ 7:57. Oh my, Paul sounds quite stern and I think he really means it.

Oh Paul. We all know it is CA. Sneak into this country unlawfully, get a driver's license and register to vote. Documentation forthcoming any week now. Just sit still and wait. We all have to sit here in the waiting room together. Read a magazine or something. We all will know what the Doctor says went he comes out to tell us. Oh, aTrump already e-mailed his tax returns to Hillary.....last year.

Oh Paul, Paul, Paul. Can't we sub-human Deplorables have a little fun in our tree fort for once? Let Trump do his Errol Flyn thing, a swashbuckler swinging from the rigging high above the entire Spanish Armada. One little man with a knife in his mouth, alone, wind in his hair as every gun on deck is taking aim at him.
Letsus have a few yucks before you shoot him to pieces, impeach the lad, and throw his entails to the fowl of the air. Then blindfold him, try his writsts behind his back, and make him walk the blank. Oh, the water has been chummed with the blood of Englishmen. The sharks are circling. Please, let us play make believe! Please?

Oh Paul, Paul, Paul. What harm can he do? We are never going to win. We will be here all glum and heads bent over our chests soon enough. Come on, no use piling on. Let the children play, for goodness' sake. Let us play Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn and I will be Injun Joe. Have you no heart? Are you that cruel? Just a few minutes more and we will come inside and wash up. Look into your heart, man. Let Trump pretend he is a President for a few days.

Wanna play with us?

[Walt]

So our "news guy" forgets a big moment in "news"? Selective memory loss Paul?
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2014/5/justice-department-blind-to-virginia-voter-fraud
And from Berkeley U of the net,,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party_voter_intimidation_case
A little more?
Holder's Black Panther Stonewall
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430

Maybe now you can find it.

[Walt]

There is only ONE Bill T.,,, and he's ours. Good GOD man.. Just where do you come up with this stuff? Is there a book of yours out there? If not, there should be.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, you don't even have to back that far. Remember Jill Stein and the recount in Michigan and all those bags of money from anonymous donor she was raking it in? All the court battles? State and Fed Courts. On again, off again in Michigan.

Well, the recount started up again and they dove straight into Detriot as the smoking gun prize to invalid the election. They got a few precincts counted there and found out there were more Hillary votes than registered voters the rolls. Courts shut it down, but for t reasons, so they said, ha!). And that twas not even the tip of the iceberg.
It was a long post-election period, was it not? Maybe not wise to take off our amour off just yet. They are coming at us like and endless swarm of locust.. .

Never get tired of winning.

[Walt]

As usual when Paul gets overwhelming evidence dumped on his screen,,, it's splitsville for him. Like sneaking out the back and not paying the bar tab.

[Don Bessee]

The Washington Post reports that the WSJ was wrong about National Security Advisor Flynn being under investigation for calls to the Russian Ambassador. The real story is that Flynn's scheduling call to the Russian Ambassador was recorded as regular surveillance of the Russians. The contents of the call have been reviewed and were unremarkable. Poor PE. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

9:04pm.

Soon PE will reach out and do the tag team hand off.

Fake News from The Union!!!!! Fake News Alert!! Man the battlestations.

11:12 a.m. — A caller at Commercial Street and North Pine Street reported Trump supporters blocking the roadway and causing a disturbance.

A) There are no Trump supporters in Quaintytown.

B) Caller needs glasses. Those were anti-Trump signs they were carrying. The Mangina March, duh.
The part about them making a disturbance is correct.

[Bill Tozer]

@ 9:04pm
Simple explanation. They meant our Flynn, Errol Flynn. Not Tom Flynn, the other Flying Flynn. Hate has fogged their minds. Never get tired of winning.

[Paul Emery]

Show me one credible investigation conducted by any State. Three and a half million illegal votes....

How many million illegal votes came from California Bill? Do you have an estimate or did you make this up? Show me one credible investigation or complaint.

Oh here's proof from Todd "I heard in the ether that a couple of million illegals voted in California. " Todds hearing voices again. Call the medic.

Don writes about " recent poll of immigrants " What poll Don. I thought you didn't believe in polls. Give me a link

[Don Bessee]

Why, why, why. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College."

— Donald Trump on Sunday, December 11th, 2016 in an interview on "Fox News Sunday"

Oh Yeah Trump still claims he won a "massive" electoral vote total when this is the actual number

Trump won 30 states, gathering 306 of 538 electoral votes. There have been 45 presidential elections in which the winning candidate won a larger share of the electoral vote. That includes both of Obama's wins. This man is delusional and doesn't have a grasp on reality.

[Paul Emery]

Don

Is it at all important to you that the President is an honest person?

[Don Bessee]

The WH website has a list of 6 focus issues, one of them is Standing up for our Law Enforcement Community. The Force is in balance again. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Blue Lives Matter. Blue lives Matter. Blue Lives Matter.

Yo boy toy, go back in your yurt and pee in the corner. Yes, you can pee standing up. Geeze.

[Walt]

Paul. There will be knock on your door soon. Please go peaceably with the gorillas in those
clean white uniforms. they will be there to help you. Please don't make them put the straight jacket on you. They will take you to a safe place where you will get the help you surely need.
What part of LIBS won't investigat, let alone charge a fellow lib with vote crimes don't you understand? You wanted proof, and you got it.. In spades.
A "credible" investigation? Right... And I'm sure you would put a weasel out to guard the chicken coop.

[Bill Tozer]

Ah, music to my ears and I don't even have to read the link. Brings big smile to my face when the Tectonic Plates collide. Keeps their eyes off the bouncing ball Perfect.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/morning-joe-blasts-trump-first-day-white-house-164957842.html

[Gregory]

Paul, do you think real journalists only report stories cleared by government agents?

Paul, do you know what hyperbole is? What is the definition of a "landslide" victory? What is a "massive" victory? Do these terms have a set definition?

I was listening to NPR for most of the election eve... boy, they sure sounded like they thought the ground was shifting under their feet... is that a landslide?

Massive... did the Clinton campaign fight in court... or did they capitulate in short order on the election night? Outside of California, Trump actually did have a majority. Does that make a difference?

biased: "unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something"

Paul, are you biased?

[Don Bessee]

PE 1006- Do you think at all before posting that kind of thing? Honest as compared to which Politian, 0? Harry Reid? Poor PE. ;-)

[Walt]

And "O" says his Presidency was scandal free. A real truth teller there..
Honesty is not a high priority for those you defend.

[Walt]

OK folks,, some new dirty laundry. Someone takes a page from Hillary's playbook.
Better have a stiff drink on hand.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/exclusive-cfpb-head-cordray-used-private-device-didnt-create-records-of-messages/
"A recent court decision in October 2016 ruled that the structure of the CFPB is unconstitutional because the president doesn’t have power to fire the director. The CFPB was a creation of Elizabeth Warren and created so that directors can only be dismissed with cause."

[Bill Tozer]

@9:03 pm.
By Jove, Walt. You were right again. He did sneak out the back without paying his tab.

@9:50
Hold yer horse there Paul. Here is credible evidence of 2.78 million fraudulent votes in California. Hang on a second, almost got them. Yes, I can fell them. Pheeew. There, I just pulled 2.78 million illegal votes out of your arse. I sure you will recognize them.

Now go back in your yurt and next time ask nicely. Geeze, kids nowadays.

[Walt]

LIBS are trying to make violence acceptable.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/trump-is-president-and-now-the-left-justifies-political-violence/

[Bill Tozer]

Walt, the Bernie Bros and the greenies have turned their firepower on Squatting Bull Warren. She endorsed Hillary only after Hillary won the primaries. Leaks of her Wall Street ties have really pissed off the Bros. Bros before Hose. Then, she never gave a word of support to the Native Americans and the horde of Greenies and assorted freaks at Standing Rock until the day he Army Corps of Engineers pulled the plug. That really pissed off the Alt-Left and Green Libertarians like Whatz His Name in Nevada City. She is toast.....in the near term.

They want the forked tongue sunshine patriot out. Can't count of her to stand with you in the trenches. She is only good for bringing out to bark at the banks. A one trick pony. Figured she thought Hillary was going to win and made all the wrong bets.

This should get very interesting. The Bros (nasty internet trolls that they are) have taken control of the CA Dem Party. As the rest of the nation settles down, CA will still be in full blown hyperventilating meltdown. Immigration and Sanctuary cities coming to a CA town near you. At that point, the battle lines between Trump and the Alt-Left will move to the Republic of California where the real fireworks will be going off.

I figure that we will be right in the middle of the firefight. Finally, we in politically forgotten California will be front and center of every news cycle for months. The civil war starts here and we will be the only ones the libs know and who they can vent at in these parts. Our time has come. We will be fighting on our turf and their turf. Urban warfare.
We must form a wall of Meat. Together we can. United we can. Yes we can!!

[Gregory]

Paul Emery

Don't forget the questions...

http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2017/01/an-early-take-on-trump.html?cid=6a00e54f86f2ad883301b8d2578961970c#comment-6a00e54f86f2ad883301b8d2578961970c

[Paul Emery]

What questions Gregory? I just asked for credible evidense that there is a legitimate investigation going on into the massive voter fraud that Trump claims shifted the popular vote in Hillary's favor. He repeated that claim today.