Ruminations - 13feb17 (updated 14feb17)

George Rebane

Americans have always been told to keep their powder dry; well, the Democrats want you to let government take over that job.

Systemic unemployment, in conjunction with the Singularity a much discussed issue on these pages over the years, is now beginning to draw the attention of more and more analysts, commentators, and media outlets.  A reader and correspondent picked up this piece from PJ Media that acknowledges (here) that the disappearing jobs (even for the middle class) will not be replaced by new jobs to re-employ the growing cohort of the permanently redundant.

[update]  Mr George Boardman, our intrepid columnist in The Union, today echoes (here) the liberal line that longtime school choice advocate and now SecEd Betsy DeVos is “unqualified” for her new job; so unqualified in fact that progressive punks physically denied her access to a school she was scheduled to visit.  But the real question for Mr Boardman is ‘If DeVos is an unqualified SecEd, what did all her qualified predecessors accomplish for America’s public education during the preceding decades?’  Take your time.

[14feb17 update]  A passing note on retired Gen Flynn’s resignation.  He did the right thing to resign.  And he did the right thing to talk to his Russian contacts as a member of the duly elected incoming president’s team – such a conversation was neither a first in our history nor a violation of the Logan Act.  And he was unbelievably foolish to lie to VP Pence about the affair; it was for that that he had to go.

Comments

[Gregory]

Teacher's salaries comes to mind. Here's the top ten states for *average* salaries... from today's Education Week.

The 10 states where teachers get paid the most:

1. Alaska: $77,843

2. New York: $76,593

3. Connecticut: $75,867

4. California: $72,050

5. Massachusetts: $71,587

6. New Jersey: $70,700

7. Rhode Island: $67,533

8. Maryland: $65,257

9. Illinois: $65,153

10. Virginia: $63,493

[Michael R. Kesti]

I can find no justification for a federal Department of Education.

[George Rebane]

MichaelK 200pm - Mr Kesti, clearly you are not trying hard enough. If all else fails, consult your friendly neighborhood progressive s/he'll explain the matter to you ;-)

[Don Bessee]

Hey Kesti, we agree! I saw that one of the guys arrested for obstructing her vehicle was an Afghan refugee. ;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

DonB he was doing a job Americans don't want to do.

[Todd Juvinall]

Trump plus 4.

[Account Deleted]

Systemic unemployment is something few wish to even mention.
It's a lot like the coming freight train of under and un-funded govt and social liabilities. There is no happy cure and the results down the road will be disastrous for modern society as we know it.
A guaranteed income will probably be phased in as it is just a simplification of what we are doing already. The perverse twist to employing that sort of scheme is that it will cause even more unemployment in the social service sector. And once the permanent unemployment era begins to set in, it will feed on its self and cause a rapidly accelerating downward cycle. Less folks going to work mean less need for transportation, car sales, car repair, child care, uniforms and wardrobes for one's job, etc. Anyone who thinks a large segment of the permanently unemployed (we need a modern acronym - PU is already taken) will blossom into creative flowers has a poor understanding of human nature. Sloth, crime and a general debasement of society will take hold.
On top of all of that cheery news, we have this to deal with as well:
https://www.rt.com/business/377307-jim-rogers-currency-control-cash/
Jim is hardly the first to predict this but this article is a nice summation for those not familiar with something that is already being implemented bit by bit. (unintended pun)
Once you ponder this future, it brings into focus quite sharply how idiotic most govt programs are. They cost billions or trillions and prepare for a future that will never be.
The only action by our govt that I've heard of that addresses this bright and sunny future is news that the military is shifting its focus more towards urban warfare and general unrest.
Cheers!

[George Rebane]

Re Flynn's resignation etc - liberals really do have bad luck when they try to think. On this topic in the last Sandbox they keep getting the various orthogonal factors dealing with Flynn's 'resignation' and Yates firing all mixed up. Flynn resigned because he lost the confidence of POTUS and VPOTUS. Yates was fired because she disobeyed a direct order from her boss. The subsequent factors are not established and will be revealed pursuant to ongoing investigations and planned litigation. Passing judgment on the direct precursors to these departures in no way implies the acceptance or rejection of any of the other TBD factors of the cases. Capice?

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, sorry you are wrong on Logan. Ut is called "transition" and there were many people involved and many were talking to other countries leaders . Hit the job running. You are foolish to keep yapping your position.

[Paul Emery]

Just published by the New York Times 12 minutes ago. My goodness this is getting close

"WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said........... "

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

[Don Bessee]

Carlos Slims NYT, Madam liar liar pantsuits on fires NYT. You must be transparent about these things, right PE? ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Can you explain what you're trying to say Don?

[rjohansonn]

The countdown to Trump's impeachment has begun. 2 years max. The orange idiot is losing at every turn now and he's flustered and not in control.
This is going to be fun to watch.

[Paul Emery]

There is a gusher of leaks coming out of Washington right now Trump must think somebody upstairs doesn't like him Just remember Nixon was brought down by FBI weeks specifically deep throat That was a trickle compared to this Fasten your seatbelt it's going to be a rocky ride

[Paul Emery]

That's FBI leaks.......

[Don Bessee]

That dementia must be acting up tonight eh PE @ 652? Carlos Slims NYT used to be known as the grey lady, now its known as madam liar liar pantsuits on onfire's whore. No cred with real people anymore, its just a tool of the DNC that caters to safe space seeking snowflakes and anarchists. No wonder it has hemorrhaged advertising and had massive layoffs.

@655- Oh boy, comic stylings, it must be open mic night on RR! One handed claps all around. ;-)

[Don Bessee]

The NYT is almost as credible as a NOAA global warming report! ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Don what you have is a major breakdown in security Information is gushing out of Washington don't Underestimate the power of the press Trump doesn't have many friends anywhere not even within fox news with the exception of Hannity and a couple of the other night time yappers

The implication of Trump campaign l staff communicating and working with Russian intelligence during the election is huge

[Don Bessee]

I don't have a breakdown in security, its your 0 dead ender zombies who are ripping out the drapes and carpet on the way out. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! cry the losers. Innuendo and BS are driving your teams last minutes in federal positons soon to be purged and downsized.

For a real topic, who heard about Secretary Tillerson's comments at the Netanyahu dinner? Two state solution is not the solution to peace in the middle east. My God, someone who is willing to admit that the 'palestinians' refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist has got to end. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Well, if there was any question to as if there is a shadow government, that question has been answered. Somebody in the NSA tapping the Prez's phone, leaking classified Intel to the press. Very coup like. Interesting, but all in all a slow news day.

[Paul Emery]

Bill

How can you be so naive. You were sure Flynn was not going to be dumped a couple of days ago.

[Don Bessee]

Do not forget that the DOJ was under 0's proxy control until they fired the insubordinate biatch which means FBI, NSA etc. all full of dead enders with axes to grind. ;-)

[George Rebane]

rjohansonn 655pm - Does that mean that the president will be impeached by a Republican House? And then what, tried and found guilty by a Republican Senate?

[Todd Juvinall]

Hey Paul Emery, are we at war with Russia? Were we at war last year? The year before?

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, what are the laws governing the allegations you say the NYT makes?

[Todd Juvinall]

Reading that "stellar" NYT story, all the people making the claims are anonymous. My goodness Paul Emery have you no shame. But here is the conclusion of these anonymous sources. Read the last line. So just more liberal media bullshit.

"American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation."

[Paul Emery]

He's not likely to be impeached George. Most likely he'll quit. Word is he hates the job and he has very thin skin and has no skills to deal with the craft of government. He doesn't have a clue what's coming after him George, much like what Hillary warned Obama about in "07. I mean Trump didn't even tell his VP Pense that Flynn lied to him for three weeks after he knew. That does not inspire loyalty and instead indicates chaos within the white House.

What we have is the beginning of a coup much like what happened with Nixon when he was left slowly twisting in the wind by his own party. His popular support is dropping at an alarming rate.

He'll be out within two years that will give Pense time to solidify his position as a true Conservative President. In the Repubs favor is the total disarray of the Dems making them a very weak opposition party.

[Don Bessee]

MARK THE TAPE!

[Paul Emery]

Todd

"DEEP THROAT" was also an anonymous source as well and look what happened to Nixon.

[Don Bessee]

Hey PE, did you hear that ICE is snatching up so called 'dreamers' ? What say you my friend? ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Paul @ 7:48 pm.

Well Nancy, there he goes again. Paul, no, no, no! I said yesterday that before I could answer your "Yes or No, Yes or No, Yes or No" silly demand, I needed this story to play out for a couple of days before I could answer a premature "yes or no". I needed to hear more information and hear two sides of a story, any story.
I was surprised that Flynn resigned last night and the story moved quicker than I anticipated. I also said if Flynn did a bad thing, then he will be gone. Lying is a bad thing, He is gone. Surprised he did not do the "I don't remember, I do not recall, as best as I can recollect" song and dance that we always heard everytime from anyone close to the previous administration.

Flynn will be remember as the first one assisinated by the shadow government in 2017.
Still, all in all, very slow news day. Like watching the dam lower 3 inches an hour. Yawn.

Dr. Rebane: nice meme about the confused. Looking at Spreading Bull Lizzy, I can only say, "Talk about Cultural Appropriation!"

[Paul Emery]

Flynn also was interviewed by the FBI early on and denied speaking with the Russians about sanctions.

"Two law enforcement sources confirm that the FBI interviewed National Security Adviser Michael Flynn in the early days of the Trump administration about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, CBS News’ Pat Milton and Jeff Pegues."

If he lied to the FBI all bets are off about what his future may be,

[Don Bessee]

Now PE is having flashbacks to his middle age in the Nixon admin, that must have been some bad ass LSD PE. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Is that the same Don Bessee that believed Measure W was going yo easily win?

[Bill Tozer]

Ok, Flynn is gone. Basically, this story simply does not capture my interest. Some things do, other things do not.
What caught by interest a few days ago was every leftist publication (and to be redundant) as well as every MSM was foaming about Bannon and Kellyanne and anyone close to Trump. All of them are in the Alt-Left bedwetters' sights. Site after site, same story. Even Brad popped over yesterday to repeat the mantra, but included Maddog Mattis to the list. Yo Brad, his new beloved name is The Warrior Monk. Rather spiritual, is it not?

So, I see Flynn as the first to go under the latest stomping of feet, pounding the spoons in the highchair, and chanting "Kill the Beast, Kill the Beast." Pick 'em off one by one. Trump needs his wingmen to get it done. Much work to do and our President needs his team in place. So, Flynn is of interest, but not for the reason Paul is creaming his jeans over. Yo Paul, you got a few pearls on the corner of your mouth. Best wipe it with a napkin before heading out in public.

What concerns me is leaks that threaten our nation security, all for political gain. Any President should be able to talk with foreign leaders without having his phone bugged. Any and all Presidents. Put Sessions on it. Poor guy Sessions is stretched to the max cleaning up the corruption Obama put in place. This Swamp is huge. Draining it will bring all the knives out. It's being played out. Still, a slow news day.

[Paul Emery]

Yeah slow news day Bill. Tomorrow will be a gusher with little things like the Trump Campaign being in constant contact with Russian intelligence during the campaign. This is unraveling at such an alarming rate that it is hard to keep up with. I was gonna take a couple days off from this blog but the incompetence and arrogance of Trump and the Trumpettes has me working overtime.

[Don Bessee]

What a lame deflection from your pummeling on the facts, so was it a flashback or just a short term high that muddled you PE? 24 days and the 0 'legacy' is floating down the sewer just like PE's fantasies. No yo for yo PE. That's as intellectually effective as yo mama. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Pace yourself Paul. It will all work out whether we follow the news or not. Taking a couple of days off will not change one thing concerning events we have no say over. Heck, I took a day off today (basically) and did not miss a thing. Felt good to watch my wildflower slope grow in such abundance. It will be a good year for flowers....and weeds. I like growing flowers. It's kinda gay, but gives me great wonderment and awe at Creation.

Paul, never hurts to stop and smell the roses. Might refresh your fluids. You been putting your nose to the grindstone from dawn to dusk, then on into the night. You deserve a breather.
Oh, more on Flynn. From the Wa-Po

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/14/fbi-needs-to-explain-why-michael-flynn-was-recorded-gop-intelligence-chairman-says/?utm_term=.21d30f28b5f9

[Paul Emery]

I guess it was another Bessee that promoted Measure W as a final solution to the MJ problem. If you recall it was a total failure losing 60-40. Very embarrassing to the Sheriff, Board of Supervisors and the other Bessee. Sorry I confused you. I can appreciate how insulted you must feel to be compared to that weak thinker.

[Don Bessee]

Gee Pe you keep teasing and promising to take time off from RR but you keep holding on like a sucker fish. What does doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome mean? ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Paul @ 9:39 pm.

Yep, you best take a couple days off. Head to the ocean or up to the snow country. Maybe a nice drive to the desert.
Boy, you are getting cranky. That 9:29 pm of yours was pushing the envelop.

I was worried about you for the last few days as you were really getting more rummythan usual, but I never have seen you cranky. Very uncharacteristic of you, Mr. Emery. Strike that. You got real cranky when they were going to outlaw private parties with live music. Not the large private parties, just that gawd awful live music. Too bad this great area lacks good talent. Oh well. Now stop being cranky. Go play your mouth harp or something and refresh your bodily fluids. You need that break more than you realize. Odd how we are the last to know.

[Don Bessee]

Poor Pee's memory is so selective now, to remind you PE, in that cycle my crew won in 6 of 7 County and municipal elections on the issue in CA. I do regret that I did not focus enough on my home county. Mea Culpa. That does not change your failures my old friend. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Paul. When I'm feeling blue all I have to do is take a look at you, then I'm not so blue. Love ya, buddy. Our thoughts will be with you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b3kXqlJhGuE

[rjohansonn]

The most important thing to remember is that Trump is losing, and losing bigly. He's losing at all of him main campaign promises be it immigration or Obamacare. The mental illness he carries with him cannot tolerate that status in his mind. Ryan and McConnell hate him personally so they will bail when they see the Congress going blue. We are within weeks of that. So whether he is impeached or he quits within 2 years, doesn't really matter. Michael Pence who is a real conservative will be finishing out the first term, that much we know.

[Todd Juvinall]

No he is not losing. But the system alows the democrats to slow things down and golly after 20 days you would think he should have built the space program! The left and his detractors are cracking up. Either Trump is stupid they say or just not a politician or whatever dejour today. Schumer and the democrats are going to lose "big league" not biglee, and the R's will govern for a generation.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you are cracking up. Imagine if you lefty commies put as much energy into something positive. You would own the country. But you just can't help yourselves.

[Bill Tozer]

"that much we know." Well, the mark the tape. I will put down rjohnansonn down as Trump not finishing the first of his two terms and....get this..."Congress going blue", ROFLMAO! The Snowflakes are so adorable. This reminds me of a story I read about a young co-ed after Brexit. The young lassie was stunned and confused. She said, " I have 6,000 friends on Facebook and no one supported Brexit. How did this happen?"

Congress turning blue. Best one of the week! Precious. Can you say "echo chamber" Good, I knew you could..

[Bill Tozer]

O rj., no worries. We hate Paul Ryan more than the voilent hate filled Alt-Left could ever image. And half of us don't trust McConnell much. At least Mitch grew a pair and stood his ground on Obama's wacky SOTUS pick. No biggie. Obama figured he would let Hillary fill the vacancy with his handpicked buttboy.. A nice gesture for the Coronated One. How did that work out?

Good job Mitch. You saved your job with that one. The Deplorables were eating chucks of raw meat with their claws and chanting "Ditch Mitch the Bitch, Ditch Mitch the Bitch" before he grew a pair. We ain't your old fashioned Grand Ole Party. We be Irredeemables and piss on Snowflakes just t o watch them melt. Toodles puddle.
Going blue. Where do they these people, lo

[Gregory]

RJ 1002

Do you know Michael Anderson? He obsesses on some of the same themes.

[Gregory]

Toes 1034

Garland was a very qualified judge and would be a competent high court justice.

The problem the GOP had with him was the same problem Dems had with Bork... The Senate always considers judicial philosophy... which is akin to political philosophy... and they have every right to do so. And Garland would have changed the balance of the court in virtually the same amount as Bork, in the opposite direction.

Reagan ended up nominating Kennedy instead of Bork... A moderate replacement for a retiring moderate justice. Obama missed an opportunity to play chess instead of checkers... had he nominated Gorsuch himself he would have repaired much of the Bork animosities and removedwhat may have been the winning margin of victory from Trump... voters who did not want HRC picking justices.

I think Garland might still make it to the high court, the perfect replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsbergwhich would move to move the same amount and direction as Bork had he been confirmed... but how could dems trash him without being transparently hardball partisan?

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Exactly.
https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/831858565535129600

[Bill Tozer]

All quiet on the Western Front.

https://patriotpost.us/posts/47467

Lol.

[Bill Tozer]

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1027780614022642/?type=3&theater

[Todd Juvinall]

Trump rising now up six.

RL Crabb is doing the old NAZI gig on Miller from Trump's staff. I went to the link Crabb used to justify this outrage and could not find anything in the compilation that would warrant a NAZI comparison. The Crabb is unhinged.

[Robert Cross]

Liar liar pants on fire… Trump is the biggest liar of them all. One after the other after the other. Don't you know that he would have won the popular election if not for voter fraud.. LIE -- They never had contact with the russians during the campaign LIE..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-russia_us_58a3ca36e4b03df370dba994?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Where does it end? The greater problem is how many lame brains actually believe and support the such a liar. Compulsive lying is a psychiatric personality disorder. Is this who you really want in charge, a chronic liar?

And what about McClintock.. another liar --

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article132765444.html

The righties just make stuff up and call it alternative facts, when actually it's all a bunch of lies.. The sad part is that you all believe it to be true, or do you just double down on the lies to save face over how gullible you are? How do you sleep at night knowing Trump and his people are scamming the country. Is WW III next? Let's see where is a bunch of oil.. oh yeah the middle east.. let's ban Muslims and then start a war and take their oil.. the sequel.

A bunch of billionaires are going to save our country from the problems they themselves created.. go figure and hold on to your wallets all you little people who thought you were going to be saved.

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 15 February 2017 at 10:30 AM

Is this who you really want in charge, a chronic liar?

Yeah...good point Bobby.....Hillary Clinton was well known and widely respected for her dedication to the truth.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

TJ @ 9:10AM

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/200/368/147.jpg

[Paul Emery]

Liar in chief

Trump is on record numerous times denying his campaign had any contact with the Russians Well it appears that's just not true

George at one time you told me if there was evidence that Trump and his campaign cooperated with the Russians in the coordination of campaign material Trump should resign or Be impeached. Do you still believe that ?

[Paul Emery]

Watching Fox news blast trunk This man has no friends sept for a couple of people on this blog

[Gregory]

Let's revisit someone who is rich, gay, and past and current FOB:

Here's the NPR Fresh Air interview that left wing self styled lovers of freedom should be happy with:
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/01/512851970/if-confirmed-would-neil-gorsuch-rule-contrary-to-trumps-policies

Confirmed, it appears he would be the most libertarian Justice on our high court in my lifetime.

[Gregory]

Damn, my David Geffen quote didn't take... my apologies
"Everybody in politics lies, but they [the Clintons] do it with such ease, it's troubling".

[Gregory]

Paul 1158

Paul, are you once again relying on anonymous sources of classified information, illegally shared only with journalists known to be hostile to Trump specifically and the GOP in general?

There's a reason for the usual oath taken by a witness to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, under threat of prosecution for perjury, not to mention your mom sending you to bed without supper.

[Paul Emery]

No Gregory For sure virtuosity of lying nobody tops Trump Liar in chief

[Gregory]

Punchy 1227

A lie is a false statement represented to be true; meaning you have to establish the facts, determine their point of view, their understanding of the facts and their state of mind at the time of the suspected lie.

That's often very hard to do to legal standards (Pacifica Radio has double standards you might agree with). Most "Progressives" have a hard time distinguishing lies from errors, or their delusions, as the case may be.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

Fox news is all over it. Is Fox news also part of the hostile news media trying to bring Trump down?
How about Deep Throat, was that illegitimate information about Nixon and should it have been rejected by the press?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1158am - Am not sure what you are attributing to me, especially since I don't know what "coordinating campaign material" means and would never have made such an ambiguous statement. You know me better than that.

But if any successful presidential candidate did/does use a foreign nation to illegally promote his candidacy, I would support his removal from office. We know that foreign leaders and officials have long given their opinions pro/con on other countries' candidates, so I wouldn't waste any hot air claiming that such endorsements are grounds for hyperventilation. Now comes the question - where is the threshold of illegality and who defines it. Chuck Schumer in Washington and you on RR don't qualify.

[Todd Juvinall]

No Paul Emery, I already debunked your NYT links and their "story" about Trump's people. Keep trying though you are too funny!

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

re:12:45PM

This is the only Fox article on their (all over it) webpage.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/trump-reportedly-kept-pence-in-dark-about-flynns-russian-phone-calls.html

So, as I understand it, the whole kerfuffle is that a Trump factotum, a few weeks before the inauguration of a new President, talked with a Russian diplomat about some potential policy matters. The inauguration occurs, and then a week later Trump found out that the underling talked with the Russians a few weeks before the swearing-in. Maybe I'm missing something here. It all seems so unimportant (and commonplace) that I suppose I'm missing the main point. If the whole thing is just about the 'Logan Act' (never charged, probably unconstitutional, regularly violated), then it all strikes me as pure political posturing.

[George Rebane]

scenes 1253pm - Agreed.

[Paul Emery]

George

Here is a Pense quote on campaign contact with the Russians. There are many more. Should Trump be held responsible for the quotes of his VP? :

On January 15, then-Vice President-elect Mike Pence went on Fox News and was asked by Chris Wallace whether there had been communication between the Trump campaign and Russian officials before the election.

“Of course not,” Pence replied. “Chris, this is all a distraction and it’s all part of a narrative to delegitimize the election and question the legitimacy of this presidency. The American people see right through it.”

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

from the 'all over it' Fox News.

"President Trump was reportedly told six days into his presidency that his former national security adviser Michael Flynn misled the vice president about his phone calls with Russia, but did not tell his second-in-command."

Seems pretty clear to me. I do agree on Pence's 'all a distraction' quote. This is 100% politics and about 0% reality.

I keep wondering when the real arguments about policy will actually break out, this all reminds of the stupidity of the Obama birth certificate outrage. Both sides can froth about non-issues evidently.

[Don Bessee]

In spite of the screaming snowflake class (that's you PE) the world moves forward and the DOW is still going up significantly. It closed over 20,600 which is a reflection of people betting their money on a positive future for the US economy, its the economy stupid I have heard said. ;-)

[fish]

From Instapundit:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Fascism not what you think it means.......

WEIRD THAT THE DEMOCRATS KEEP SCREAMING “FASCISM,” BUT THE NOMINEES THEY FOUGHT HARDEST AGAINST ARE THE MOST LIBERTARIAN: Labor nominee Puzder calls it quits.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/labor-nominee-puzder-drops-out/article/2614920

[Paul Emery]

George

Mostly on he afternoon news program with Sheppard Smith.

Would Flynn be out of line if he talked policy with Russian intelligence before the campaign without instructions from Trump? For sure exact details of the conversation will eventually come out.

If Trumps campaign was in consort with Russian intelligence that would make Trump a prime candidate for blackmail.

Here's Smiths Fox report

"Fox News host Shep Smith harshly criticized President Donald Trump for hanging on to National Security Adviser Michael Flynn long after he became aware that Flynn had lied to Vice President Mike Pence.

Flynn tendered his resignation late Monday night, hours after the Washington Post reported that the former acting Attorney General Sally Yates said Flynn was a security risk due to blackmail concerns.

Addressing the fall-out, Smith told guest Andrew Napolitano that Trump appeared to dismiss the concerns until the media dug into the story and busted Flynn.

“They want this to be about trust, ” Smith explained. “When you find out he lied to the president of the United States, that’s where rubber meets the road. It does not meet the road when the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal all make it a front page story above the fold.

“Because, in this case, that’s what it took,” Smith continued. “It did not take the president, it took the headlines.”

[Bill Tozer]

So sad. They put all their eggs in one basket. They can't prove Trump campaign collusion with the Putin. Collusion. They can't prove collusion and they can't prove Moscow had any influence on the outcome of the election. So, we are now at the buzz word 'coordinated.' Too easy, too transparent.

I figure there is a reason the full transcripts of the US tapping the Russian Ambassador's phone and caputuring Flynn's plotting with the Rooskies had not been made public. Considering the 2016 NSA is chock full of Obama's operatives and are alive and well to this very day, you can bet your sweet petunias that it would have been released by now. No there there.

This is just a continuation of the recount and begging the electoral college voters to stop Trump. Once Trump gets settled in the office and starts rolling out his policies, the Left is doomed. Full frontal assualt to stop Trump now! Now or never. Yawn.

Well, give them an E for effort. Bless their little hearts. Boy, the shadow government really really wants conflict with the Rooskies. They are obsessed with it. Well, the shadow Obama government filled with Islamophiles really hate Flynn. He said the JV team is alive and well, directly contracting Barry's Sugar Frosted O's. Here is my Obama and the NSA went after Flynn.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/12/bombshell-obama-never-once-met-with-his-defense-intelligence-chief/

http://www.infowars.com/intelligence-head-obama-didnt-want-to-hear-about-rise-of-isis/

Heard Trump 's meeting with smaller business leaders this morning went off great. Making America Great Again.
Yo Bedwetters, try going out there and win an election. That is what needs to be done. Ah, screw the ballot box, right? ROFLMAO

[Don Bessee]

I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED that shep is still a Trump hater. ;-)

[Robert Cross]

Fishie 10:43-- good one fishie -- Is that all you have? The only problem with your stock in trade "hillary is a liar too" response is the, in case you missed it, trump is the person in the white house not hillary. trump is the liar in chief.. hillary is old news and most likely all the the alleged hillary lies, given how the righties do business, were alternate facts anyway.

[Don Bessee]

Why so cross Robert? Someone invade your safe space snowflake? I hear there is room at Hillary Hodges. ;-)

[Gregory]

Paul, you're about 10exp2 answers in arrears, try answering a few first?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Give it a try.

[Bill Tozer]

Now they will go after Vice Admiral Robert Harward. That man liked the Shah of Iran, an unforgivable offense. Trump has surrounded himself with those who know the real threat.

This is Trump's War against the Deep State. The Democratic Party is currently impotent and a joke, so it is the Obama Deep State teaming up with the media to fight on. Add a couple of bend over and take it Neo-Cons and Chucky Boy, and the picture grows clearer. Boy, they sure went ape when Trump said Pocahontas was the face of the Democrat Party, but I digress.

The Deep State NSA forgets that we don't work for them, they work for the people. At least in theory. Bust their "America is Bad" chops, President Trump. Then stand on their cowardly throats. Beautiful day today, despite been another painfully slow news day. Oh well.

[George Rebane]

re RobertC 135pm - Not judging the merits of bringing up Hillary's notorious history of lying, but I do find it strange that liberals now talk about the past iniquities of their brethren and cistern(sic) as simply bygones to be ignored. These pages contain the entire record of the Obama years during which our leftwing friends could not shake themselves from ruing every word out Bush2's mouth as excuses for the lies of Team Obama. A little symmetry would be refreshing.

On another topic - I have to reach for the barf bag every time one of the media heads or politicians castigates Trump for pushing back against the Deep State's intelligence apparatus, characterizing his words as impugning the very people "who are out there putting their lives on the line for us." Trump has done no such thing - he has said nothing against the people in the field, a different breed, who do risk everything to gather this country's intelligence.

But he has taken to task the turkeys (i.e. 'intelligence analysts' like Snowden) who work in cloistered offices, answer to no one who is known or elected, and go home to a warm safe bed every night. It is these faceless people whose work and leaks support the agenda of the Deep State, and who may be violating every security law on the books to no one being the wiser. Where are the FISA warrants that allowed ANYONE to listen in to Flynn's (and now Team Trump's) communications?

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 15 February 2017 at 01:35 PM

Bobby.....presumably you're a democrat.....one who willingly pulled the lever for Hillary so it's a little late to be whining about "politicians who don't tell the truth" at this juncture.

Next time nominate a better candidate and we won't have to suffer the Tangerine Tornado in the White House.

[Bill Tozer]

Chucky sez they have six days to Sunday to get back at you. Breaking news! Chucky spoke the Truth.....finally.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-VsfGHO5Mk

[Robert Cross]

Who gives a crap George? The past is just that, the past; water under the bridge, over and out. Do you really think bringing up supposed lies of the past justifies trump, the psychotic liar and his team of corporate goons, lying to the country again and again about almost every subject imaginable? Your "they lied too" rebuttal is fallacious and does not condone the current situation.

"These pages contain the entire record " of your interpretation of events spoon fed to the ideologically impaired by the right wing noise machine's bureau of alternate facts. It should be obvious by now, given how bad trump and co. are at lying, that the far right's entire rationale for their policies is based on alternate facts created ex post facto to cover their asses.

[BradC]

Uh oh, the fast food king is bailing out of the Good Ship Trump - "Trump Labor Nominee Andrew Puzder Withdraws, First Cabinet Pick To Fall".

[fish]

From Marmadukes site....

Dan Skeahan says:

February 15, 2017 at 11:38 am

Interesting that rabid Rebane, and all his pals are silent about the latest transgressions of Cheeto and all his pals.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but the conversation surrounding the Flynn Affair has been going nearly non-stop since the news broke.

Apparently another sock puppet with reading comprehension issues!

(SHOCKED FACE ON!)

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

BT 1:51PM

..."Trump has surrounded himself with those who know the real threat.

This is Trump's War against the Deep State....."

Seriously, that isn't a bad way to frame the current situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWRVyaKnGcA

[fish]

Who gives a crap George? The past is just that, the past; water under the bridge, over and out. Do you really think bringing up supposed lies of the past justifies trump, the psychotic liar and his team of corporate goons, lying to the country again and again about almost every subject imaginable? Your "they lied too" rebuttal is fallacious and does not condone the current situation.

"These pages contain the entire record " of your interpretation of events spoon fed to the ideologically impaired by the right wing noise machine's bureau of alternate facts. It should be obvious by now, given how bad trump and co. are at lying, that the far right's entire rationale for their policies is based on alternate facts created ex post facto to cover their asses.

Wow.....verbatim from the DNC marketing materials!

Hat tip!

[Don Bessee]

Yes indeed, bobby is perpetually cross. So now Mia Farrow is saying she wont pay her federal taxes because of President Trump. She is encouraging others to not pay their taxes..... wait a second now, Mia Farrow is a has been who does not work. She has no income so she pays no taxes. What a waste of oxygen. ;-)

[George Rebane]

RobertC 220pm - I'm sorry to say you understood NONE of my 154pm - a condition I'm sad to report is endemic among you and yours. (I understand from other readers here that Exhibit A of this assertion is available at FUE's where NO ONE has detected my posts and the hundreds of comments covering the Flynn et al affair here. They hang on every word in RR and yet comprehend nothing.)

Had you understood, then it would have been clear that it was the leftwing readers and commenters who very much gave a "crap" about the past during Obama's years. I never brought up the "they lied too" argument, that was your fabrication.

And the referenced "entire record" of the Obama years was not my "interpretation of events spoon fed to the ideologically impaired", but instead the interpretations of the leftwing contributors in these comment streams.

I had no idea that the first paragraph of my 154pm was such a challenge, and do apologize that I was not able to say it well enough for you to understand.

[Don Bessee]

Dr. R @ 231- There seems to be an epidemic of reading and not comprehending among team lefty. Willful? I will leave that up to the readers but you know we will get more talking points for lefties in reply, appropriate or not. ;-)

[BradC]

More Rooskie connections and reasons for Trump to like them? XL pipeline steel produced by Canadian company with ties to Russia,

"One of President Donald Trump’s first actions in office was to sign an executive order on January 24 expediting the approval of the Keystone XL. Owned by TransCanada, this tar sands oil pipeline was halted by former President Barack Obama in November 2015. Trump signed another order on January 24, calling for steel for U.S. pipelines to be made in the U.S. to the “maximum extent possible,” and two days later TransCanada filed a new presidential permit application for Keystone XL with the U.S. Department of State.

Critics, such as John Kemp of Reuters, pounced on the caveat language in Trump’s steel order and noted that it appears “designed to preserve lots of wiggle-room.” In fact, a DeSmog investigation reveals that much of the steel for Keystone XL has already been manufactured and is sitting in a field in rural North Dakota.

DeSmog has uncovered that 40 percent of the steel created so far was manufactured in Canada by a subsidiary of Evraz, a company partly owned by Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich, who is a close ally of Putin and a Trump family friend. Evraz has also actively lobbied against provisions which would mandate that Keystone XL's steel be made in the U.S."

[Don Bessee]

So the already manufactured pipe is in storage, what's your point? ;-)

[Paul Emery]

George

Flynn was only the presumed Security chief at the time of his now infamous phone calls to the Russian Ambassador. Why shouldn't the transcript of his conversation be released? Trump can straighten the whole thing out by demanding it be released. Why do you think he he doesn't do that? Do you think he had Trumps ok to make that call and say whatever he said?

[Don Bessee]

Poor ol' PE, never any answers just a chain of why, why, why. See Gregory @ 142. ;-)

[George Rebane]

PaulE 248pm - Who's saying the transcript should be withheld? Paul, a suggestion, offered once again, in friendship, and sincerely - why don't you just once pair an answer from you to ANYONE'S previous question with a new question that you ask. That would still leave you woefully behind, but it's a start. We really are interested also in your opinions.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Well, this might explain any leaks from here on out.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/

[uote is happening]

Then George lets urge Trump to release the transcript. It will prove there is nothing to hide and Fynn's encounter with the Ruskies was nothing more than a little chit chat.

[uote is happening]

Don ok

Ask me three questions and I'll get back to you.