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12 February 2017

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George Rebane

Gregory 917am - I didn't know we were arguing, so what again am I supposed to be sore about?

Your 'making things clear' to me was a tacit statement that something about the Russian hacks was unclear to me. That is what I attempted to clarify in my 726am. And my apology for not making it sufficiently clear is always sincere, why else would I spend these years arguing a worldview based on my specific, and to most people obtuse, ideology and credo. Your cynicism betrays you.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2012/05/an-apology-for-all-occasions.html

Paul Emery

It's time for Trump to apologize and restore the position to then acting Attorney General Sally Yates who called it right About Michael Flynns illegal contact with theussians. She was rewarded by Trump for her good work by being fired. From Wapo

"The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.

The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that ­Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the ­Russian diplomat, had told Vice ­President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the ­information."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.507fa9400b13

Paul Emery

Trump should restore the AG position to Sally Yates who was telling the truth about Flynn as part of her job. Here's a link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.507fa9400b13

Bill Tozer

Well, this makes sense. Both hate Jews.

http://heatst.com/politics/kkk-figure-david-duke-endorses-democrat-keith-ellison-for-dnc-chair/

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 11:10 AM


No Sally Yates should stay fired.

Paul Emery

Fish

She was doing he job and was ignored. why should she be fired?

Kellyanne Conway will be the next one to go.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.507fa9400b13

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 11:17 AM

She serves at the pleasure of the President Paul. Apparently he was less than pleased.

Paul Emery

So the President fired someone who was giving him warning about the illegal conduct of one of his cabinet members that involved lying to the Vice President.

Hmmmm

Paul Emery

Headline

TRUMP KNEW FOR WEEKS

The end may be near for The Donald

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.507fa9400b13

Paul Emery

Watching Fox news blast Trump for the last 15 minutes This man has no friends

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

re:PE @ 11:38AM

It's pretty obvious that this 'Logan Act' fuss has little to do with the business at hand. It's been violated by scads US celebrities and political figures. If you care, I'd be happy to dig up a dozen or so references.

What this sounds like to me is a civil war within the federal government between existing members of the deep state vs. the new king. It's a textbook example of why third parties rarely succeed. There's simply too much money to be made and special interests to be pleased to ever turn off an open-borders, pro-militarism ruling class.

Hopefully we aren't blessed with any more Clintons, though.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/chelsea-clinton-future-run-for-political-shunned-b/

BradC

Police Officers: “We Didn’t Vote Republican To Get Stabbed In The Back”
February 13th, 2017
Police Officers: “We Didn’t Vote Republican To Get Stabbed In The Back”
In the highly contentious battle to extinguish public worker rights, Iowa Republicans have attempted a divide-and-conquer approach to pit unions against each other. Their legislation splits public workers into two groups, one that’s “public safety workers,” and one that isn’t. The idea was to strip away nearly all collective bargaining rights from most public employees, but keep most of it for police and firefighters, who are politically more difficult to go after.

It didn’t work.

http://iowastartingline.com/2017/02/13/police-officers-we-didnt-vote-republican-to-get-stabbed-in-the-back/

ScenesFromTheApocalypse

"splits public workers into two groups, one that’s “public safety workers,” and one that isn’t."

Hmmm. Sounds like the late great state of California.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 11:38 AM

So the President fired someone who was giving him warning about the illegal conduct of one of his cabinet members that involved lying to the Vice President. Hmmmm


Uh no Paul. Yates was let go due to her reluctance to follow through on the immigration EO.

Paul Emery

Fish

She was right about that as well. It has not passed judicial scrutiny so why should she defend it. Her job is to give the President legal council and she was fired for doing that.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 01:15 PM


She was right about that as well. It has not passed judicial scrutiny so why should she defend it. Her job is to give the President legal council and she was fired for doing that.


Thats not her call to make......and she was released for making it.

Paul Emery

She was ask to defend something that is her legal opinion was not defensible So far she shown to be right She also blew the whistle on Flynn and it was ignored by the president For that she got fired

Paul Emery

I mean is it conceivable that Flynn could've had those conversations with the Russians about sanctions and not told the president about it in advance ? If so then he's way out of bounds and if he did tell the president that means Trump has been lying all along about the nature of those phone calls It's a huge mess for the president and so early on in his term Pense and the conservatives are licking their chops waiting to get rid of this guy because they don't like him either. In fact he has virtually no friends in Washington It's going to be a short bumpy ride for the Trumper

Bill Tozer

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/uncovering-the-extent-of-global-warming-cheating/?utm_content=buffer0065e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=laura_ingraham_buffer

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 02:18 PM


I realize that when you're all excited like this you have......difficulties.


The proximate cause of Sally Yates dismissal was her refusal to enforce the immigration EO. She doesn't get to noodle it through in her head and just decide not to do it......unless she wants to get fired......which is what happened. She carries out the order, quits, or is dismissed at the presidents discretion.

Those are pretty much the only options available to Ms. Yates.

The "Judicial Scrutiny" you referred to comes later.


Really Paul....this isn't that hard.

Paul Emery

Fish

Sally Yates was the one who warned Trump weeks ago of the legal and political liability of Flynn. For that she gets fired instead of being rewarded for steering Trump in a proper direction. Now he has a huge mess on his hands and things are falling apart all around him.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 February 2017 at 02:47 PM


sigh........

Don Bessee

PE @ 115- That's a lie, the office of compliance in the dept. of justice DID sign off on the EO. Stop the fake news hyperbole. Pull up your pants, your paranoia is showing. ;-)

fish

"It’s hard to put into words how strange it is to watch the very same people — from both parties, across the ideological spectrum — who called for the heads of Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Tom Drake, and so many other Obama-era leakers today heap praise on those who leaked the highly sensitive, classified SIGINT information that brought down Gen. Flynn.

It’s even more surreal to watch Democrats act as though lying to the public is some grave firing offense when President Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, got caught red-handed not only lying to the public but also to Congress — about a domestic surveillance program that courts ruled was illegal. And despite the fact that lying to Congress is a felony, he kept his job until the very last day of the Obama presidency."


https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the-leakers-who-exposed-gen-flynns-lie-committed-serious-and-wholly-justified-felonies/

Paul Emery

Don

Are you saying she didn't warn Trump about the situation with Flynn? Refresh me as to what Trumps reaction was.

Paul Emery

For Don


"The acting attorney general (Sally Yates) informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.4e06cca47d13

Paul Emery

Fox News Shep Smith defending the Press for bringing the Flynn story to a conclusion. He claims Trump weould have done nothing without the headlines.

“They want this to be about trust, ” Smith explained. “When you find out he lied to the president of the United States, that’s where rubber meets the road. It does not meet the road when the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal all make it a front page story above the fold.

“Because, in this case, that’s what it took,” Smith continued. “It did not take the president, it took the headlines from WaPo

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/shep-smith-shreds-trump-he-wouldnt-have-done-anything-about-flynn-if-the-press-hadnt-busted-him/

Todd Juvinall

My understanding is there is no Logan's on Flynn as he was incoming NSA and the protocol was fine for hiom talking to anyone. He screwed up by lying to Pence. That is the reason he is adiosed. So Paul Emery, it matters not you have your panties up your crack and it hurts. Trump is fine.

Paul Emery

You are wrong Todd. At the time Flynn had no official capacity and was only Trumps nominee to the Cabinet. He was not official until three things happened:
1-Trump became President
2-he was voted in by the Senate
3-He takes the oath of office.

Where did you get that information Todd? Would you mind sharing it.

Don Bessee

PE- You lied about the EO not being reviewed by the DOJ, DOJ not 0's leftover lame duck acting AG. The office of compliance absolutely signed off the EO. So cut the crap!

Now we know this leak was orchestrated by honorary mullah, Ben Rohdes and his 0 buddy hold overs who helped facilitate the leak. Now we have people who have seen the transcript saying it was as expected, the Russians brought up the sanctions and Flynn said the new administration would be reviewing all policies.

Motive- Stop Flynn from releasing the iran nuke deal secret side deals and other dirty laundry as was expected. Take him down and take down the biggest anti-0 anti-iran senior player. It started as soon as team lefty lost. Another political hatchet job from all of the 0 lap dogs in the intel system. ;-)

Don Bessee

Since PE is our resident expert on the Logan act could he kindly provide a list of all the people convicted under the Logan act. ;-)

uote is happening

Not important Don. It's an accepted guide for behavior designed to prevent private individuals from subverting the policy of the President.

Are you defending Flynns lying to the Vice President about whether he talked to the Russians about sanctions?

George Rebane

Dear People - please continue your thread on Gen Flynn's resignation under 'Rumination - 13feb17' where this topic is explicitly called out.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2017/02/ruminations-13feb17.html

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