Sandbox - 15mar17

["Which is more important: Building more dams – or protecting the lives of millions of folks living below the dams we already have?" asks Darrell Berkheimer in today's Union (here). That's an OR question?!  The gentleman attempts to explain California's dams to us and cites the horrible danger they all pose because "high hazard" dams abound here and across the country.  "A high hazard rating means at least one or more persons could die if a dam were to fail."  And therefore we shouldn't build any more of them in California and take down those we have. The socialist mind is incapable of such infrastructure trade-offs, especially if the involved utility has multiple attributes like cost, safety, agricultural support, flood control, ... .  Our highways are also a critical component of our infrastructure that regularly takes over 30,000 lives a year and injures over 2,200,000 more, taking their comparative ratings to a 'hyper hazard' level.  Should we also abolish our highways?  gjr]

Comments

[MikeL]

And we should take down the Golden Gate Bridge to prevent suicides...

[BradC]

FYI - here is one link,

FEMA Publication No. 333 has adopted three hazard potential classification categories for dams as follows: LOW, SIGNIFICANT, and HIGH HAZARD POTENTIAL, listed in order of increasing incremental adverse consequences. When loss of one or more human lives is probable, High Potential Hazard classification if required. Some regulators use numbers or letters in lieu of these titles and may have more than three hazard potential classifications based on legislative requirements or agency history.

If the dams did not start out with a high hazard rating, and have that rating now, I would say they qualify for Trump era public works projects he keep talking about.

http://www.damsafety.org/resources/?p=b45f9cb5-dd10-44be-ae8c-ab7df92693e0

[Walt]

Build the Auburn dam just to PO the anti dam crew.

[Robert Cross]

That is real intelligent Walt. Did you know the dam was on a fault line and after pouring millions of tons of concrete down cracks in the bedrock, they gave up realizing any attempt at building a dam there was useless and dangerous beyond imagination.

[Paul Emery]

To all interested:

As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

[Paul Emery]

Now that's deep thinking Walt. ( Walt 1:24)

[Paul Emery]

Well so much for Obama wiretaps accusations from our Liar in Chief.

WASHINGTON ― House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) conceded on Wednesday that he had found no evidence to substantiate President Donald Trump’s claim that former President Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower.

Nunes, a fierce White House ally, told reporters that absent such evidence, he could conclude only that no wiretap had ever been put in place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-obama-wiretapping_us_58c95cd1e4b01c029d78088c?

[BradC]

Fox Headline -

Trump's First Full Month in Office Sees Biggest Jobs Gain 'In Years': Report
http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/03/08/trumps-first-full-month-office-sees-biggest-jobs-gain-years-report

Yeah, right...like magic, employment increases with Trump at the helm- even though he has done diddly squat. I guess Fox (pronounced 'faux') News neglected to check the trendline. The employment level has been trending upward since 2010. Trump/Fox is taking credit for a party started 7 years ago.

https://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12000000_768932_1489616873404.gif

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

[fish]

Posted by: BradC | 15 March 2017 at 03:42 PM

Trump/Fox is taking credit for a party started 7 years ago.

Oh Jughaid.....you really need to learn how this game is played......Odummy is still turning victory laps over a "recovery" based on 10 trillion in conjured money!

Recovery.....hah!

[Paul Emery]

Better economic conditions than what he inherited from good ol whats his name

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 March 2017 at 04:14 PM

Do you have children Paul?

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

FWIW, this is the set of charts that are usually offered up to show the fruits of the Obama administration.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/05/31/20160301_obama_1.jpg

Personally, I don't blame him all that much. There are a lot of prevailing winds in these kinds of numbers and honestly I can't say that he was either smart enough or a good enough politician in terms of Congressional arm twisting to do more than read speeches off of a teleprompter. It could well be that no one is wise enough to really steer the boat.

If he had a problem, I'd say that he was the first post- (and perhaps anti-) American President. Western civilization has withstood a lot of models of government and economic system in the last 2000 years, and my guess is that Obama will be a forgotten figure sooner than you might think.

[Walt]

Back to that? (fault line) So was the Oroville dam. Just because a small fault is there, by NO means makes it unbuildable. You want to bitch about anything unstable? (NOPE can't inhabit that place.) Take Grass Valley for instance. Built on top of hundreds of miles
of mine tunnels. It's hasn't fallen in with only the penthouse of the Bret Hart hotel above ground.
But go ahead and listen to the fearmongers. LIBS are great at eating up those troughs of BS.
BTW. PLEASE get Frisco to drain Hetch Hetchy. They are dumb enough to do that, all in the name of ECO, and "pretty". And stupid enough to turn a valuable resource into a liability and a money pit with no bottom.

[Walt]

Since I'm still living rent free inside PM's head,(Ol' Paul drops my name in reference to someone else's post the other day,LOL)Uh,, Paul,,,,, I didn't even make one comment on that thread.
" AS usual Walt you don't have a clue as to what I'm saying. I'm in favor 0f FOOD subsidies not SHIT subsidies.
Subsidize good healthy food for those in need.
Posted by: Paul Emery | 13 March 2017 at 10:13 PM"
let me say to Paul,, you need a cleaning crew in here. It's a mess. Pictures asque, cobwebs, something gray and shriveled up over in the left hand corner. But the ecco is great.

[Paul Emery]

ESly

I was referring to this

Posted by: Walt | 15 March 2017 at 01:26 PM

[Walt]

That's supposed to mean something to me? I still didn't make one comment "over there".
Thanks.

[Paul Emery]

Once again George and anyone else interested

As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

[Paul Emery]

Okay Walt this makes it simple

Build the Auburn dam just to PO the anti dam crew.

Posted by: Walt | 15 March 2017 at 01:26 PM

I responded

Now that's deep thinking Walt. ( Walt 1:24)

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 March 2017 at 02:13 PM

[Paul Emery]

Breaking news on the polls-Fox disapprove of Trump 8% 9 point slide in three weeks.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 543pm - I can't believe that you are an opponent of 'eminent domain'. But then again, I've been wrong before. Are you?

[Don Bessee]

How come our poor ol' pollhead PE and politico are suppressing politico's own poll showing the Prez with a 52% approval rating? I know, it does not fit the party parrot line of the sky is falling. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Don

Politico is not considered a major poll by RCP or Polling report. Fox and Rasmusse,for example are.

George it depends on the situation. I am not convinced of the necessity of the Dam. This potential dam displaces an entire community of families and forces them to sell cheap their home and property and they will not be able to replace their homes because of high housing costs. Many will be forced to leave their jobs and move elsewhere. . Are you supportive of eminent domain this situation?

[Robert Cross]

Walt 4:40 --

Yes, the Oroville dam was built on fault line and in the August of 1975 the weight of the water behind the dam generated two 6.0+ earthquakes a few hours apart on a previously unknown (like in Auburn) fault. Stuff fell off shelves as far away as Nevada City. I watched it happen. That's two dams and two previously unknown faults in the area. I think NID needs to do some extensive research into the seismology of the area first and foremost.

http://www.chicoer.com/20100801/oroville-remembers-35-year-old-quake

[Russ]

The problem with the ani-dam folks is they are not familiar with the history of drought in the West, including California. The left ant-dam folks are promoting conservation as the solution to more dams. We should not dismiss this approach, as conservation is necessary, but it is not the final answer. Only more storage could assist California to survive a 20-25 year drought, which the region has experienced in the past. In addition to longer-term droughts the region as experienced clusters of droughts 4-6 years in length, separated by 1 to 2 damp years. It is during these wet years that we need to collect and store all the possible water to weather the next 4-6 years of drought, by applying conservation measures the left is promoting.

It was a cluster of droughts that forced the cliff dwellers of the SouthWest to leave their cliff dwellings to seek life-saving water higher in the mountains in the 1100s. We do not have the options to move to the mountain, as there is more population now than the local tribal communities had during the regional drought clusters from 1100 to 1200 BC. Look at the charts in this post: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2017/02/18/california-drought-report-83-california-drought-history/ to see the drought cluster lasting 50 years and the long-term droughts lasting over 20 years.

Conservation is important, but more storage is vital, so we have something to conserve.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery is confused about eminent domain. The government ios required to pay fair market after appraisals. And the owners can do their own and also challenge the governments. I am no fan for things like Peter Van Zant did for the Eldeberry beetle on the creek on Dog Bar. The beetle was not found in our county but was used for what I consider nefarious purposes favoring some over others. Anyway, sometimes it must be used to build things and that is why we are protected by the Constitution regarding it.

[Paul Emery]

So Russ let me ask you the same question

As far as the Centennial Dam on the Bear River is concerned what are your words of condolence to those who are going to have to sell their homes and property cheap in order to build the Dam?

[Todd Juvinall]

Don Bessee, I got the memo. And the one from the NCRCC. Let's rock and roll!

[Todd Juvinall]

The Wild and Scenic designation foisted on the Yuba placed a cloud of federal and state "zoning" over the river and up to ine mile on either side over the lands along it. Why would you support this zoning cloud over the rights of the 500 plus property owners Paul Emery? Is that not something you would say is overreach?

[fish]

So Paul.....any kids?

[Todd Juvinall]

I think he is unable. Jus guessing of course. LOL!

[Russ]

Readers, if you really want to understand the water issues read The West Without Water, it is available in hardback and ebook online at Amazon. It is highly recommended if you are really interested in the water issues. Another resource is David Stuart's Anasazi America. Archeologists have identified droughts lasting 50-75 years in the Southwest, which includes California. Archeologists have identified a 200-year drought in the Lake Tahoe Basin, 5000 years ago. Drought is a common mode of the region, we are just living in a 200-year wet period and the sooner we recognize this is the better off we will be. We are on the cusp of the next long-term drought. If you disagree, then show me your evidence.

[Russ]

Paul@06:33 PM

My dad's family lived in Patras Washington. The family homestead in currently at the bottom of a lake in Washinton built to provide hydro-power. Life is a bitch and this dam is needed for the public good, to ensure the survival millions of people when the region experiences a long-term drought like those the region has experienced in history. If it happened in the past, it can happen again. We need to prepare for the worst. We are living in a 200-year wet spell. Drought is the mode of the region.

See drought history here: https://sierrafoothillcommentary.com/2017/02/18/california-drought-report-83-california-drought-history/

[fish]

Paul.....any offspring.....grandkids!?

[George Rebane]

Note that PaulE avoids my question about eminent domain, and that the whole progressive pushback on the dams subscribes to the Tragedy of the Tails paradigm that I have described before here as it evinces itself in the expression of caudophabia.
http://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2015/06/caudaphobia-the-tragedy-of-the-tails.html

This kind of analyses have in the past been beyond the ken of most liberals, but it's always worth giving them another crack at it.

Regarding dams, we need to store the water for droughts and prevent floods which happen much more frequently than dam failures due to unknown fault lines. Asking NID to do a thorough investigation of possible fault lines under proposed dams is a forgivable ignorance when first proposed. But continuing to insist on it is beyond butt stupid.

Consider that the world's foremost quake geologists who continue to study the bejeezus out of California's deep geology. They have been and continue to be constantly surprised by faults they find out about only after a revelatory earthquake. NID has no resources to either perform such investigations or commission the Caltech Seismology Lab (q.v.) to do one.

The only solution to our real problems is to build the goddam dam, enjoy the benefits, and take the consequences if/when they come. This policy has made California great, and its obverse will contribute to our current downward spiral. But stopping dam building is just what is called for in Agenda21.

[fish]

Paul E avoids lots of questions! "The Green Libertarian" has superpowers.....question avoidance....only the most obvious!

[Paul emery]

Why is it important for me to let you know whether I have any children or not ?

[BradC]

Posted by: fish | 15 March 2017 at 04:02 PM - My dear Fishlips, yes, Trump is taking credit for 'that recovery'. Obama's 'oh, so reviled recovery' did not magically end with his administration - just as Bush's 'gifts that kept on giving' did not end with his administration.

[Paul emery]

George I thought I answered about eminent domain. I am not convinced that this damn is important enough to make the threshold to take people's property and force them to leave their homes Is that a good enough answer for you ?

[Paul emery]

No nobody here has any words of condolence to those who will be forced to move sell their property cheap and maybe move outside our community to change schools and lose their investment in their property in homes

[Bill Tozer]

Tear down Hetch Hetchy, like today already. The water goes to Pelosi's district, none is diverted to protect fish habitat, and even has an exception from The Engagered Spieces Act! Tear it down!

[BradC]

Looks like Don Bessee is trying to control the upcoming LaMalfa dog and pony show. I wonder if it was his idea to get all the conservos to dress up in red, white, and blue - how cute- and how typical!

From a post by another, found on Reinette Senum's Facebook page, seen on Pelline's blog...

“Just had a long chat on the phone with Don Bessee. I tried to sign up as a volunteer for the Town Hall. He would not provide any details or information unless I provided him with proof that I had personally received the email addressed to me from Nevada County Republicans. I was asked to send back the email to him showing my name and email address. I suggested that it was unethical, undemocratic and unamerican to limit volunteer slots to one political party only. He replied that he was only interested in allowing people who got the email to volunteer. He stated there would be plenty of room for all to attend the meeting, even those who did not volunteer,. I asked him how many volunteer slots he was designating for Republicans. He would not tell me.”

[Todd Juvinall]

Go DonB go. The leftwinnuts like Senum would only disrupt things anyway. And if she wants to volunteer she can sweep up her ilk's crap they toss all over the place.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul emery | 15 March 2017 at 07:38 PM

Just curious.

[Walt]

Well at least the Bear River folk will get something for their land. Grand Dad wasn't as lucky when the first dam went in on the Merced River.(Exchequer dam) The house, property and mine were deep sixed. I guess Paul and friends won't miss a minute of sleep over that.
Buy HAY! Frisco has water!

Yup Oroville had a quake. ONE... And no damage.(imagine that) Now how come there hasn't been a "big one" since? It's easy to blame it on "the dam". I remember that day well.
Hell! Even our two dams withstood the rolling landscape here in PV. 80 acre feet of water sure got sloshing.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 739pm - Didn't see your answer, nor did you point to it. But now I do understand that you support eminent domain selectively, which is OK. For example, I don't support eminent domain seizures that go to benefit private parties (e.g. Kelo) or none at all (e.g. Cahuenga Pass). You don't seem to like an eminent domain that does provide for a common good - drought and flood abatement in a land of droughts and floods. I wonder how you felt about the interstate highway system, and the local Hwy 20/49 freeway.

[Don Bessee]

Found on Senums... Seen on the dark lord of liberal laments land. That's not much of an introduction there BC.

When was the last time the dem boss Furth asked R's to help set up the First Tuesday educational forum? ;-)

[Paul Emery]

George

I wrote at 6:21 "I am not convinced of the necessity of the Dam."

There's lots of information still to be researched before I'm ready to personally support this project. I assume you know all you need to know and have made up your mind despite the massive disruption of an entire community of people.

[Gregory]

Punchy 621
"forces them to sell cheap their home and property"

Only if the owners of the properties are poorly represented.

And the modern notion of "no, a shopping center isn't really for a public use like a school, a highway or a dam, but it will mean gobs of money paid in taxes in the future so it's worth evicting the widow McGuillicuddy" has to go. If you want to buy out the local peasantry for the new MegaMall's parking lot, do it the old fashioned way... pay the holdouts.

Gorsuch deserves a quick confirmation by the Senate.

[Walt]

Paul and friends need to look at this another way. The Eco gang LOVES to "protect" the lands. And that "land" would be protected from human use. Protected by water. Not long ago "O" land grabbed hundreds of square miles. No bitch from the Lefties there.

The Spenceville wildlife aria was set aside for a future water storage a long time ago.
That plan got shot down not long ago. Same excuse. "It's pretty", etc. But no rivers would be dammed.

[fish]

Posted by: BradC | 15 March 2017 at 07:39 PM

Obama's 'oh, so reviled recovery' did not magically end with his administration - just as Bush's 'gifts that kept on giving' did not end with his administration.

There is no recovery Brad.....what Obama did is akin to keeping a corpse alive so the organs can be harvested.

[Todd Juvinall]

:ppls ike a showdown looms on "Big Bird" and GeorgeR's favorite radio network, NPR. And more. We will see if the R's will put their votes where their mouths have been for many years.

http://www.thewrap.com/trump-budget-killing-funding-pbs-npr-national-endowment-arts-public-broadcasting/

[Bill Tozer]

I thought the last gas hike was going to pay for the bullet train and homeless housing. Silly me.

California Cap and Trade is here to stay. But, but, but what about our roads and bridges?

"Brown's administration said extending cap and trade is "necessary to meet the statewide climate goals” and reduce “significant volatility” in revenue generated from the sale of permits. The governor is counting on the money to help finance the bullet train from Los Angeles to San Francisco."

http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-california-gas-prices-cap-and-1489617386-htmlstory.html

[BradC]

Drain the Swamp- ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) keeps trying to fill the swamp. What is ALEC up to these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHYOB5uptc

[Todd Juvinall]

I like ALEC. At least they care about America and its values.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1059pm - Indeed I do, and it acts, walks, and talks like another progressive econut strike against California that has successfully mobilized local NIMBYs along with other poorly informed people. We need water, flood control, and an increased tax base in Nevada County. If Rood Center allows, there will be pressure to build an order of magnitude more homes here after the new reservoir fills.

[Bill Tozer]

What few people mention is that there is only so much water on average through thick and thin. People consume water, be it in lean or fat years. Now, if we keep allowing foreign nationals into our State, it stands to reason that they will drink our water and even bathe in our water. Then there is the local organic farming issues everybody seems to love in concept, even if it is but a mere Victory Garden. And who likes driving around with a dirty windshield? Not to mention CA's agricultural business and water recreation activities that draw CA tourists and local natives alike.

There are studies that suggest that it is not a matter of droughts, but more of a matter than CA's water averages can only sustain so big of a population. If there was ever a fool proof agrument to build the Wall, this is it. We already had a rash of water thefts the last couple of years. Why let people from around the Globe come here to live here illegally when they will consume our precious water, which is a finite resource?? Why? Crackdown on illegal entry. It's for our fish.

[BradC]

Help send a message to Trump to 'Remove health-care subsidies for Members of Congress and their families' -

https://www.change.org/p/remove-health-care-subsidies-for-members-of-congress-and-their-families?recruiter=11487616&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

[BradC]

Health Insurance Execs just can't get by without Trump's help,
This article is from 2014,

http://khn.org/news/report-health-law-ups-taxes-on-insurers-with-big-pay-packages/

[fish]

Posted by: BradC | 16 March 2017 at 10:35 AM

Now this is one that I can get on board with.....

[Paul Emery]

Headlines today-

The Republican chairman and top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee said in a joint statement Thursday they have seen no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claim about Trump Tower being wiretapped.

“Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016,” Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) said.

Great fun to watch our Liar in Chief weasel out of this.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

re: PE @ 11:55AM

I need a little help here. If transcripts of Trump phone calls to Australia, Mexico, etc. were leaked to the press by unknown government sources, how were they obtained?

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

re: BT @ 9:57

Not a bad point, but it will fall on deaf ears. A more pure play on that is the greenhouse gas emissions caused by any increase in first world populations. Immigration = global warming.

Remember what happened to the Sierra Club.

https://www.noozhawk.com/article/021712_joe_guzzardi_sierra_club

To the Green Libertarians, unlimited immigration has become the Prime Directive. All other policy questions are negotiable aside from that one goal. It's a strange thing, and I'd be interested in hearing a real, underlying reason for that drive.

[Paul Emery]

Good question Scenes. I'm sure it will be asked and responded to.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

and I'll finish up with a nice graphic.

https://i.redd.it/50anbdq8ntly.png

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Another take on Trump surveillance.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-wiretap-claims-are-bogus-but-he-s-still-onto-something

[Bill Tozer]

Paul,
You can read Scenes's link here or go to The Progressive Swamp in DC and read the last comment. That comment mentions you specially. You don't need no FISA requests, silly. Unless the NYT did not mean what they said about the Obama White House and chose to publish fake news again.....and again.

Yep, everything the Leftists do blows up in their faces. Senate Intelligence Hearing start soon to find out who at the Obama White House published names such as Flynn. A very serious offense. Bet that former staff is lawyering up as we speak.

"I don't recall. Best as I can remember is I don't remember squat". Boy, the Fake News spinners and spewers will be wishing this story would simply disappear like quick. Someday they may catch a break, but it's kinda hard when they keep walking into their own snares.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-wiretap-claims-are-bogus-but-he-s-still-onto-something

[fish]

Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 16 March 2017 at 12:36 PM

Like I said.....you always seem to find the best links!

[fish]

Posted by: ScenesFromTheApocalypse | 16 March 2017 at 12:18 PM

To the Green Libertarians, unlimited immigration has become the Prime Directive. All other policy questions are negotiable aside from that one goal. It's a strange thing, and I'd be interested in hearing a real, underlying reason for that drive.

To establish a large, captive, and reliable voting base for the democrats since the white working class was abandoned in favor of the "Coalition of the Fringes".

[Bill Tozer]

Geeze, is that McCain off his rocker or what??? Yesterday Johnny (the guy who shot off a missle by accident while sitting in his jet on the aircraft carrier and destroyed 5 of our jets, opppps)....er...yesterday John Trigger Happy McCain said Rand Paul works for Putin, ROFLMAO.

Now, who keeps quoting Lost Marbles McCain the war hero like the Arizona Senator is some kind of Republican guru???? Who could that be? Oh yeah, that guy who can never ever admit to a mistake, some local yokel who thinks Nevada County Pot is the center of the universe.
Punchy, admonish us all with more snark and more McCain quotes, please,please, oh please. "The Maverick" is right...right out of his ever loving mind. And he believed Yellow Shower! Sweet. Open borders guy and bomb Iran!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/16/rand_paul_john_mccain_unhinged_and_past_his_prime.html

[George Rebane]

How come the Liar-in-Chief salutation was ignored by liberals during Obama's regime?

And PaulE, re your 1155am, I'm willing to bet you even money that before 1jan18, evidence will emerge that Trump's campaign communications were 1) recorded, and 2) monitored by at least agents from our or one of our allies' intelligence communities. What say you?

[Paul Emery]

Once again Bill this is where we stand as of today whether you li9ke it or not.

"“Based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016,” Sens. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.) said."

[fish]

CRAP!

[not to worry Mr fish, I moved your 'terminate bold' syntax up where it belongs, gjr]

[Don Bessee]

Poor ol' pollhead PE is slipping again. I come for the daily laugh and good ol' party parrot PE has failed to deliver his daily poll giggles. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Punchy @ 1:39 pm

So, no FISA requests per my telling y'all that it is all fake? No paper trail? No secret agent men? Crap!!

Does "no evidence" means we will nowhear the cacophony of sceaming heads calling for a Special Investigator, right Paul?? Those Presidental phone calls to foreign heads of state just did not get up by themselves and mosey their way into the Alt-Left Media,did they?

Who done it? The Russians, the British, or that former community organizer from Kansas (suddenly a multimillionaire) whose has that funny middle name...Hussein or something.....or maybe it was the one armed man on the grassy knoll warning us about Chemtrails and saying Sandy Hook never happened as cops roam the streets looking for black kids to kill. The plot thickens. But, it had to be Putin, we just know it.

[fish]

Uh Oh......sounds like Nancy has sand in her gears!

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/pelosi-galore-slams-stupid-economy-repeats-words-bursts-laughter/

[Paul Emery]

Well Bill the Russians have been indicted for hacking Yahoo so it's not an outrageous thought that they might have hacked the Dems for information favorable to the Trump campaign who they obviously favored over Clinton. What we do know is someone hacked the Dems and gave the material to Wikileaks which they released and it was favorable to the Trump who used it in his campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/politics/justice-yahoo-hack-russia/

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 16 March 2017 at 02:44 PM

So Paul......about those kids?

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, if you want to see big time hacking, substitute the word Russian for the word Chinese. Our trade secrets are where the real gold is, not some dofus whose password is password who worked for the worse ran campaign with the worse candidate in history. Boy, Trump shot himself in the foot weekly and still could beat any lefty alive, but I digress.

Now, as far as state secrets go, having Hillary "What difference does Grass Valley's own Chris Steven's body Make" running all State Department affairs from a privately owned server in her towel closet was a goldmine from all comers, friend and nasty foe. Another goldmine.

Paul, has anybody hacked KVMR yet????....you got one crazy DJ that is a real psycho that lives up above Cape Horn outside of Colfax....boy, that is an accident waiting to happen...anyway, anybody bother to hack you guys yet? Give it time. The internet is a blessing and a curse.....boy, is it a curse and a playpen for evil hands.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1046605262140177/?type=3&theater

[Bill Tozer]

Hmmm. Visual images:

Mystery solved!!
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1045993588868011/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/814469175369973/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/813494288800795/?type=3&theater

Sorry Mr. FISH , no Nancy pics. Ok, maybe one, but after this one, no more picking on the mentally disabled. It's a hate crime nowadays and they are watching us.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/813300275486863/?type=3&theater

[Bill Tozer]

Wikileaks!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4e5TuBhyvi4

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 16 March 2017 at 01:39 PM

OK, so you believe there was no hacking by Obama on Trump but yu believe Trump and his people are Russian moles and hacked the democrats and swayed the election. Now I get it. And what do both of those theories of your have in common? No facts, no proof. So you are a partisan hack and nothing else. No credibility on this at all Mr> Paul Emery.,

[Paul emery]

You never answered my question as to why it is important whether I have children or not

[fish]

Posted by: Paul emery | 16 March 2017 at 03:51 PM

Mere curiosity Paul.....I don't want to know their names, I don't want to know where they live.....I'm simply curious to know if they exist.

Another piece in the Paul Emery political motivation puzzle.

[Paul emery]

Good enough fish why do you want to know ?

[fish]

Posted by: Paul emery | 16 March 2017 at 04:00 PM

Good enough fish why do you want to know ?

???

[Todd Juvinall]

We are in the middle of some substantial changes in America. The election of Trump has placed a man in the White House who is unafraid of the actions he takes and the blowback he gets. You have to at least respect that you liberals/democrats, right? Not them. I truly think listening to the left of America and their leaders that they don't have our best interests at heart. This goes for the Judiciary as well.

The loons on the bench of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals are a prime example of what happens when personal agendas trump the law. The President has the Constitutional power to issue and enforce the "Travel Ban" yet a idiot judge stayed it. And without even citing the law! This is what it has come too. We cannot even trust the top legal beagels to read and understand the law.

So now we see a Trump budget proposal that is making the left go apoplectic. He wants to reduce a lot of the domestic programs and tranfer the money saved to defense. After all, if we cannot protect America what good are these programs?

I watched the Trump Rally in Nashville yesterday and I can see the enthusiasm for the man and his proposals. Working Americans are excited by him because he cares about them. The loons on the left really don't care but say they do in order to get your votes. When you see the left living in gated communities and running our government with security, armed guards and limosines, we see them for what they are. Hypocrites. Common folks like all of us don't have the freebies these pinheads get. They say they work, you know, the University professors making six figures and maybe putting in 10 hours a week in the classroom. Then they rile up the chillin to protest and break things just like they did in the 60's.

So this Saturday the 18th our Congressman Doug LaMalfa will be holding a Townhall at the Nevada County Fairgrounds. And the liberals/democrats are busing in people from all over to come and harangue Doug. But we will be there in support for him. We will hopefully not see the left committing violence as we listen. But their track record is not good. They scream and drown out those they say they want to hear from. Hopefully the police will keep order.

[Todd Juvinall]

FISH, we all know Paul Emery never answers us. That is why I resist engaging anymore. He is here to poke you, nothing more.

[Bill Tozer]

Todd, this budget will get both the Democrats and the Republicans up in arms. Don't be surprised. The Republican Party (or hunks of it) is not a Conservative party. Neither can Trump pass the true conservative test. Of course the Alt-Lefters will be up in arms more than anyone else, led by their Maoist leaders via their mouthpiece the MSM and its parrots.

But your point is spot on. Trump is on a mission to make government work, make it mean and lean, and hold it's feet to the fire. The bureaucracy thinks we work for them. Not.
President Donald. J. Trump had little interest in pleasing the Left, right, or in between if they stand firm for the broken status quo. The biggest threat to Trump is the Establishment RINOs and particularly the Neo-Cons. The Democrat Party currently is a impotent cluster of chickens running in circles with their heads cut off and are little concern, save for amusement and objects of ridicule. They are like ants on hot pavement thinking they have power over the curious humans looking down watching their confusion and discomfort.
The Democrat Party leaders are toothless yap dogs trying to bite your ankles. Nah, the RINOs and Neo-Cons are the real threat. Gore all their oxen, President Trump.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

The plot thickens:

http://ijr.com/2017/03/826494-judges-9th-circuit-just-torched-courts-decision-trump-travel-ban-correct-many-obvious-errors/

https://d3bsvxk93brmko.cloudfront.net/datastore/general/2017/03/15/17-35105%20en%20banc.pdf

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

re: Fish said (in reference to my question on why Green Libertarians are so radically pro-immigration):

"To establish a large, captive, and reliable voting base for the democrats since the white working class was abandoned in favor of the "Coalition of the Fringes"."

I've heard that before, and it actually makes sense when speaking about the Green Libertarian nomenklatura, but I don't think that the rank 'n file view it that way. It really would be interesting to dig deeply into the causes of this. It might simply be a couple of decades of modern political propaganda, but I couldn't say and really would like to know.

[Bill Tozer]

6:42 pm

One never wants to place his arguments, case, nor his fate in the hands of the 9th Circuit Court. It's a gamble that even the most versed in Constitutional and case law have learned to avoid. They aren't known as the Numbnuts Nine for nothin'.

Was it Professor Walter Williams that said around 2003 that "someday the 9th Circuit Court would declare the Constitution unConstitutional"? I believe it was, but the year could be wrong. Maybe 2006.

Anyway, it is good for even the Know Nothing Nine to acknowledge that that abortion called a ruling was too far out into left field to be considered part our solar system.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Fake news news:

https://i.redd.it/7s45m8d2luly.png

[Walt]

A song.. JUST for our LIBS.
http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-03-16/new-country-song-parody-ive-got-friends-in-safe-spaces/

Bill,,, your going to LOVE it.

[ScenesFromTheApocalypse]

Move along. Nothing to see here.

http://circa.com/politics/alfa-bank-in-russia-said-donald-trump-computer-connections-may-have-been-hacker-hoax

[Bill Tozer]

@ 7:17 am

Got milk?

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/16/is-milk-racist-a-millennial-writer-thinks-so/

Deport bad fashion.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1047059898761380/?type=3&theater

[fish]

Your radiant socialist future.......

Venezuela seizes bakeries amid bread shortage...

Arrests brownie and croissant makers...

Funny.....P.J. O'Rourkes reflections on his inability to find a South or Central American town that wasn't ankle deep with chickens....a nod to the fact that they weren't starving there......except for Nicaragua!

This has been another chapter in......"Progressives Fuck Up Everything!".

[fish]

Hey "jon"....you useless chickenshit bastard.....come smell the cultural enrichment!

Australian Teacher Quits After Islamic Students Threaten to Behead Her

I mean after your Turkish friends have had their fun with you!

https://heatst.com/life/australian-teacher-quits-after-islamic-students-threaten-to-behead-her/

[fish]

Uh Oh.....full meltdown mode at the Former Union Editors site today.....the Jill Stein hate is flowing like the spillway over the Oroville dam!

Any reason why....today of all days??

[Todd Juvinall]

RL Crabb and his posters (not FISH though) are going bonkers about Bessee and the R's for tomorrow's townhall. Kinda says it all. Those people are truly mentally ill.