Great Divide – Yes Virginia, we really are very different

George Rebane

Today’s headline again corroborates what those who have paid attention have known for some years now.  The latest WSJ/NBC poll out today reports the stark differences between the country’s Right and Left as represented by their respective Republican and Democrat party affiliations.  The important part here is that the “WSJ/NBC News survey indicates a wide (and widening) split on cultural, economic issues.”  The best I can tell is that the only ones who have been in denial for years, and refuse to acknowledge this divide are the lightly read local lefties, which even includes their leading lights.  Limiting your input to the offerings and interpretations of DailyKos, HuffPo, CNN, MSNBC, … leaves a pretty big hole in a person’s understanding of what’s happening now.

The data-filled 6sep17 WSJ report begins with –

Divisions in America reach far beyond Washington into the nation’s culture, economy and social fabric, and the polarization began long before the rise of President Donald Trump, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey of social trends has found. … The findings help explain why political divisions are now especially hard to bridge. People who identify with either party increasingly disagree not just on policy; they inhabit separate worlds of differing social and cultural values and even see their economic outlook through a partisan lens.  (emphasis mine)

Among the polls highlights are the drastic drop since Eisenhower of the opposite party’s support of the recently elected president.  That percentage has dropped from Eisenhower’s 60% to 8% for Trump.  The only reversals in the downtrend were for Bush1 and Bush2.

A really significant change of attitudes in how confident Americans are that their children will have better lives than they have.  From August 2010 to August 2017 the Dems’ confidence fell from about 42% to 25%, and the Repubs’ confidence rose sharply from 12% to 48%.  You need to read the article to get the significance of this latest survey on the national attitudes.

And today most of us see only the other party as doing all the bad things for/to the country.  Here’s part of local leftie Ms Nancy Eubanks’ outrage in her 6sep17 letter to The Union.

After Trump's outrageous news conference in the aftermath of Charlottesville, many of you "say" you are against racism and bigotry, that you disavow White Supremacy and Neo-Nazi groups and what they stand for. But actions speak loader than words. You could do several things to show you really can put country above party. Stop voter suppression laws that disenfranchise minority groups. Support a new Voter Rights Act. Stop gerrymandering districts to discriminate against minority voters. In addition, take actions to show you won't compromise principles of openness and fairness. Pass a law requiring all presidents to disclose their income taxes. Require all presidents to divest themselves of any business interest so that presidents can't have any conflicts of interest. Take away the lease on the Trump Hotel in Washington D.C. so Trump can't continue to profit from that enterprise.

You can’t make this stuff up; the schism is really real.

Comments

[Todd Juvinall]

Eubanks refuses to tell the readers she is a Democrat Central Committee member and activist. Maybe she knows she comes across unhinged and does not want to taint her party? LOL!

We have seen this divide grow and grow. The left education, the bureaucracy, media and Hollywood have dubbed down the generations while the "right" was out creating jobs and working 60 hour weeks. The takers of society are given the megaphone to yell across the land how those in opposition are the devils and after many years they have succeeded in an almost equal division of ideology.

Paul Emery is a perfect example of this. He does so much obfuscation and twisting of words and meaning that a reader has no clue what he is saying or what the truth is. And the left has no sense of humor either. The FUE has a story about the "fake news" forum last night. He uses a "report" from Reinette Senum to describe the meeting and then her early exit is disgust. No hunmor from her or him but only derision. Hell the NC Scooper made fun of me and I certainly ws honored. Senum though doesn't get it at all. After her "cops are all assissins" diatribe, she became anathema to rational people on the right. But loved by the left.

[Russ]

Tom Sullivan at KFBK 1530AM will be discussing the great divide on the 3rd hour today the 6th of Sep 2017, 1400 to 1500. If you missed it he has POD casts via iHeart Radio. Webpage is TomSullivan.com

Another indication the divide is coming more evident as it comes to the attention of national commentator and their listeners.

[Robert Cross]

Limiting your input to the offerings and interpretations of Breitbart, Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, New York Post, Fox news, and WSJ … leaves a pretty big hole in a person’s understanding of what’s happening now.

[Robert Cross]

In FACT, according to Politifact, 60% of statements on Fox are rated "mostly false, false, or pants on fire." That same figure for one of your sources, NBC is 43% false or worse. For CNN the mostly false or worse rating was only 27%. So whose version of the facts seems to be more accurate?

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 06 September 2017 at 03:57 PM

…..thanks Bobby.

[Don Bessee]

oooooooh politifact, isn't that special. Why so cross all the time bobby? ;-)

[Walt]

Cross.. I will pass on the Mother Jones and Snopes "offerings and interpretations"
That goes for MSNBC,CNN and most of Lefty news as well. They did a fine job of fellating
"O" and the Progressives for eight years. Even their slanted polls didn't help Hillary win. The days of the sucker vote is over. "OH the polls say this guy is the leader. He;s the one I want to vote for. Who wants to vote for the loser?" LIBS my take that bait. They can't think for themselves.

[Paul Emery]

Todd writes " And the left has no sense of humor either."

Well Todd I have to admit you are nothing but a bunch of laughs. Lots of humor there. That's why no one takes you seriously and regard you only as a relic from the old days.

[Don Bessee]

Aren't you older than Todd ya po' ol' fakenewsman? ;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, oh a lot take me seriously. But you, nope, you have proven your fake news credentials are real. Good job.

[fish]

From the other side of the divide……

Next we have the scope of his vision. De Blasio would like the government to control as much as possible, and not just about real estate development. He says “[People would] love to have a very, very powerful government, including a federal government, involved in directly addressing their day-to-day reality.” And if Bill de Blasio and his cronies have anything to say about it, that’s exactly what would happen—for your own good, of course, because you know it’s really what you want. When Orwell wrote in Nineteen Eighty-Four “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever,” it was a dystopian and horrific vision. De Blasio thinks it’s what we all secretly—and maybe not-so-secretly—want. And he thinks that he’s just the guy to do the stomping, only he’ll call it a love tap.

There's a reason that New Yorkers call DiBlasio "Mayor Cuckold"…..so in addition to really enjoying his own personal brand of humiliation and debasement now he wants you to have the opportunity enjoy it too!

http://neoneocon.com/2017/09/06/mayor-de-blasio-you-know-you-want-the-heavy-hand-of-government-and-so-do-i/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/bill-de-blasio-in-conversation.html

[Gregory]

Regarding Politifact...

How do they score the networks?
"The scorecards measure statements made by a pundit or a host or paid contributor on a particular network. They do not include statements made by elected leaders, declared candidates or party officials."

So, CNN with Obama on a frequent play loop saying "If you like your plan you can keep your plan", got a pass. Fox News which, as a channel, is mostly opinion, gets judged as liar liar when they contradicted the President, by their people who come to the judgment exercise with their own set of biases.

Journalists, in print or video, are not well-equipped to be "fact-checkers" especially when it's one of their sacred cows being gored.

[George Rebane]

robertc 357pm - Ah, but there you err significantly. I and other readers here do keep track of your favorite sites to see what the progressives are dishing out. (In fact, it's almost impossible to avoid the lamestream media.) It is your side that doesn't peek over the fence. For what other reason can there be when you constantly err so badly about the national mood, thinking that ideas familiar to half the country are forged and languish only here in the foothills on RR? It is easy to demonstrate (even from these comment streams) that you and yours are some of the most poorly read on history, international affairs, national mood, human behavior, and most disastrously on science. But other than that, you all are right on top of it.

[Don Bessee]

HAHA @ 557! ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Here's a fact the Trumplets is meeting with the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow. Lots of questions, lots of fun.

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, is set to meet with Senate Judiciary Committee investigators behind closed doors on Thursday to answer questions about his June 2016 meeting with a Kremlin-connected lawyer, committee officials said.

Committee aides said the interview, Mr. Trump’s first with congressional investigators, will be transcribed and could last for much of the day. It will largely focus on the meeting in Trump Tower, which appears to have been set up to deliver harmful information about Hillary Clinton to the Trump campaign, according to emails disclosed in June.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-senate-investigators-russia.html?mcubz=3

[Bill Tozer the Deplorable Me.]

Ok Cross.
I read the Wa Compost, a formerly great paper, for their nature stuff, like the gorillas some Dr.Livingston found in the Lost Valley of the Mist in deepest darkest Africa, over the Forbidden Mountain. Cool stuff. At least we know what to expect from MSMBC and the Huff-n-Puff Post. The former delivers on salivating infomercials delivered as red humus to their frenzied faithful, and the latter has gone full blown crazy.

I will take what I learned from my Irredeemable Clinger sites against what you have learned by reading and watching your Trump Derangement Syndrome sites.
For example, it you believe that extreme weather events occur because of man made Climate Change, I would say you are doing a rather poor job controling the man made extreme weather stuff, not to mention the non-manmade shenanigans of Mother Nature. Boy, she get temperamental at times. Ok, bad example. Hmmm.

What did you learn last year?
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1161660340634668/?type=3&theater

What did you learn last week?
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1160634054070630/?type=3&theater

What did I learn today? Something not found on your list of reading material. Enjoy mine.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/05/2139-daca-recipients-convicted-or-accused-of-crimes-against-americans/

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/915598585257031/?type=3&theater

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 06 September 2017 at 06:25 PM

Well we all know how disappointed you were that Hillary lost the election.....you make sure to keep hope alive!

[Don Bessee]

So why do you think that are more Americans who think shrillary is criminally guilty than people with TURDS like the po' ol' fakenewsman? ;-)

[Walt]

Poor Liberal. NO special treatment.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/06/emotional-sen-menendez-accused-selling-his-office-for-glamorous-lifestyle-at-trial-opening.html

I will be fun just to watch him get raked over the coals, and to see all the dirt that gets thrown up for all to see. But I believe in the long run the bastard will skate.
(never mind all his rides on pediflight1) It's already been established that selling your position as an elected official is fine and dandy, and no longer is considered corruption.
It's business as usual, and "what politicians do".
I would love to see the A-hole get convicted, lose his seat, and spend his deserved time in the slammer. But Nope,, Ain't gonna happen. ( OH LORD,, I beg to thee that I'm wrong.)
But any vote he misses is good for America.

[Walt]

Hay Cross. This is YOUR LIB news you speak so highly of. Care to comment?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/06/nbc-news-wrongly-claims-sen-menendez-is-a-republican/

You sure clammed up all of a sudden.

[Gregory]

"So whose version of the facts seems to be more accurate?"
-"Robert Cross" 3:57PM

Why, my version of the facts, of course. I'm well read in history and philosophy and read four newspapers regularly... the 'frisco Chronicle, SacBee, The Union and the WSJ which is particularly enjoyed as it's at least written at a 12th grade level, unlike the Chronicle, SacBee and The Union. I also listen to NPR, the BBC Worldservice broadcast and, often Limbaugh but more often Tom Sullivan. Then there's science which none of the periodicals have any business writing about especially when the science in question is as politically charged as climate and meteorology has become. When the Pellines of the world talk about climate or science "deniers", substituting "heretic" for denier reveals the intent and makes their thoughts on the matter clear.

I never voted for Ronald Reagan, but when he said "You have to consider the source" he was never more spot on.

In short, "Robert Cross", every sniping pronouncement of yours has fallen short of truth. Just another idiot parroting his party line.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt @ 7:10 pm

If all goes to plan, the Dems should be one Senator short come critical voting crunch time. If Sen. Pablo Chavez Hugo Pancho Menendez is not convicted by then, he should be in no position to vote. Thank Putin for that one. Thank you Vlady. Never get tired of winning. Which reminds me. 2018 is just around the corner. Paul thinks Trump won't be here in a year, based on the R's dropping The God Emperor like toxic radioactive tofu. Glad the Deplorables do not blink.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296.63999.217926015008110/1161981073935928/?type=3&theater

[Gregory]

Bessee 637

My take on Punchy isn't that he was sad Hillary lost... I think he voted Gary Johnson because he saw the two former governors on the LIB ticket as being closer to his own politics than the kleptocratic Hillary ever was... but what Paul was really looking forward to is the GOP being utterly destroyed, a crushing of his cultural foes... only to wake up Novermber the 9th with not only the designated (by Podesta) Pied Piper candidate pushed by the Clinton campaign to lead the GOP astray having won, but waking up to the fact that over the Obama years, the Democratic Party had been hemorrhaging offices across the country for the past eight plus years.

[Don Bessee]

Oh now bobbie is going to be cross again Gregory. ;-)

[Account Deleted]

R Cross at 3:46 - "Limiting your input to the offerings and interpretations of Breitbart, Daily Caller, Washington Examiner, New York Post, Fox news, and WSJ … leaves a pretty big hole in a person’s understanding of what’s happening now."
And sticking scissors in your eyeballs will blind you. So what?
Can you name any actual people that post here that this would apply to?
Obviously you can't - so what are you trying to accomplish here?
Left wing intelligence on full display here.
Keep 'em coming Cross - you are the amusement of the day when Paul can't deliver.
Clearly we have our own opinions, but I like to understand reality.
And reality does not care a whit for our opinions.

[Bill Tozer]

While I cannot bring myself to read the Eubank's Letter to the Editor, I will trust that I saw enough reading her prose on Dr. Rebanes's post.

"You could do several things to show you really can put country above party. Stop voter suppression laws that disenfranchise minority groups. Support a new Voter Rights Act. Stop gerrymandering districts........". Hmmm. Gerrymandering districts? You mean like Obama's stated post-presidency life's mission is to gerrymander districts? I thought so.

Oh my. Ms. Nutcy Eubanks is not going to like this one bit. They really hate it when things don't go the way they want them to. Makes them really wig out. Big time bug eyes popping out.

"The judges castigated U.S. District Court Judge Nelva Gonzalez Ramos for exceeding the scope of a previous ruling instructing her to assess whether or not SB5 cured problems with SB14, another voter ID measure passed in Texas in 2011. Ramos ruled the original measure was an effort to discriminate based on basis and that SB5 didn’t solve the problem."

“The district court went beyond the scope of the mandate on remand,” Smith and Elrod wrote. “Simply put, whether SB 5 should be enjoined — as opposed to whether it remedies SB 14’s ills — was not an issue before the district court on remand.”

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/5th-circuit-texas-voter-id?utm_source=FBLC&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=LC

And what exactly is Ms. Eubanks doing to show us she is putting country ahead Party? I thought so. Never get tired of winning.

[Paul Emery]

Don B

Can you show me a link to verify your 06:48 PM observation about Hillery?

[Don Bessee]

There you have it folks, a full blown po' ol' party parrot in the mold of Schultz and Brazil @ 9 who poses as a fakenewsman. Did you hear that the swamp rat DNC Debbie had one of her minions flip and come back from Pakistan? Was that tech team referred to her by muslim brotherhood princes Huma Weiner? Time to loosen your scrunchie our favorite druid. ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Don, allow me to help our po polling fakenewsman out. He just never heard of such a thing, living in the Broad Street Bubble and all. Living the dream.

Sept 5, 2017
http://www.newsweek.com/most-voters-believe-clinton-broke-law-emails-and-want-see-fbis-files-her-poll-659843

Various dates and links:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-disapproves-decision-charge-clinton-emails-poll/story?id=40445344

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/poll-majority-disapproves-of-fbis-clinton-decision-225352

Hmm, this one was from right before the election. It's all Putin's fault!
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article112635048.html

But, THE MOST TELLING POLL OF ALL, aka, The Mother Of All Polls (MOAP)......drum roll please....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/01/poll-71-percent-dems-think-clinton-should-keep-running-even-if-indicted.html

Welcome to the Great Divide

[Bill Tozer]

The Great Divide: I do wonder about poeople who are offended at the drop of a hat. Like some kind of arrested development at an early age. All emotions and no frontal lobe.

Upright: “Democrats love to say that Trump is violating constitutional norms. Well, Obama violated them when he unilaterally implemented DAPA and DACA. The Supreme Court threw out DAPA and — if Gorsuch had been on the court — it probably would have quashed DACA too. By winding down DACA — slowly — and asking Congress to find a legislative fix, Trump is returning us to a constitutional norm. That liberal congressmen are scandalized by being asked to fulfill their constitutional duties tells you more about the expediency of contemporary liberalism than it does about Trump.” —Jonah Goldberg

Confessions: “DACA was [an] executive order. … It is [on shaky legal ground]. That’s why we need to pass a law, and we should do it.” —Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

Braying Jenny: “To say nothing of his use of the word illegal aliens, which is offensive to a lot of people, and not correct.” —NBC’s Andrea Mitchell’s retort to the DACA announcement (The term “illegal alien” is exactly the correct legal term, and it’s only “offensive” because leftists politicized it.)

Alpha Jackass: “The organizing and activating of these extremists, these white supremacists, really could have a detrimental effect on the entire culture of New Hampshire.” —Ray Buckley, chairman of the New Hampshire Democrat Party, on a new voter registration effort aimed at working class New Hampshirites

Pompous Jackass: “When I think about how crime’s gone down for four years, graduation rates up, test scores are up, more jobs than ever in our history — I think, ‘Wow, just that quick profile, any candidate anywhere would want it.’ You’d assume they’d be having parades out in the streets. But that’s not the time in history that we’re living in.” —Mayor Bill de Blasio, who in the same interview bemoaned, “I think Trump is much more than a New Yorker. Trump is a spoiled brat.”

And last… “By the way, does the statue of Union Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman qualify for removal? He once explained his reluctance to enlist former slaves, writing, ‘I am honest in my belief that it is not fair to our men to count negroes as equals … [but] is not a negro as good as a white man to stop a bullet?’ It’s difficult to determine where this purging of the nation’s history should end.” —Walter Williams

[Paul Emery]

thanks for the poll results Bill. Not suprised at the distrust in Clinton. Didn't trust her my self. By the way that same Rasmussen Poll shows only 29% of those polled strongly support Trump. That's means less than a third are core supporters which is pathetic. Here's the link

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

[Bill Tozer]

The Great Divide:

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913.80726.51560645913/10155022383410914/?type=3&theater

Hmm. Does that Nevada City wing nut councilwoman, former Mayor of Oz City, and Mexican restaurant cultural appropriator have a sister?? A conspiracy!!!.......or maybe not. Wonder what her major malfunction is today?

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/915443048605918/?type=3&theater

The Great Divide is alive and well.

[Piper Laurie's Former Shrink]

It warms the cockles of my hear to see the same old pathetic old, lonely and bitter deplorables waxing on and on about "winning". Sad, but funny all the same. Maybe you tired old fuckers missed the news about Trump blowing off the GOP today to support Pelosi and Schumer and the Democrat strategy, then flying to North Dakota to give true love to the Democrat Senator Heitkamp. That is the way to build the GOP coalition for "winning" and its all part of Trump's brilliant plan! A trillion dollars now needed for record hurricane damages caused in large part by the carbon emission industry. Which these very same conservatives have subsidized over so many years! Oh, and don't you forget guys, M.U.E.L.L.E.R (pronounced MULLER) is coming for Team Trump, he and all of his 36 all star prosecutors are a comin' Donnie and will be sweet to watch close friend Paul Manafort and loyal "Lock Him Up" Flynn sing like canaries. The Steele Dossier never goes away guys, it is the roadmap.

[L]

One assumes Piper Laurie is dead. L

[fish]

Posted by: Piper Laurie's Former Shrink | 06 September 2017 at 11:03 PM

I suggest you seek competent psychological help for your anger issues.

[fish]

Is every self identified democrat in your fair burgh mentally defective?

"Require all presidents to divest themselves of any business interest so that presidents can't have any conflicts of interest."

No conflicts of interests? Sounds like Nancy needs to see an overwrought mental health "professional" who claims to treat C-List celebrities!

[George Rebane]

Both Lenin and Mao considered a required qualification for party and government leadership to be the renunciation of material goods and gain. All collectivist ideologies, based on the broad practice of altruism, see private property and its facile acquisition as the mortal sins of political leaders. The more such property a person has, and the more expert he is in acquiring same, the more unqualified he is for public service. And then we come to putting all this into practice - both now and then.

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 07 September 2017 at 08:40 AM

Here……the rare point of agreement between the arch capitalists and the devoted Marxists!

"The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything."

- Rockefeller

[Gregory]

It sounds to me like "Piper" is channeling Agent Mandersonation fresh off the playa and angry about the time he'll have to spend in Reality before the next Burn.

Just a quick note that even Michael Mann doesn't make the claim that CO2 causes these storms... just increases somewhat the amount of rainfall contained in them. Exaggerating the causal chain beyond all scientifically valid observations is left to the useful idiots willing to slog it out in the trenches.

[Bill Tozer]

Re: Nan Eubank's Outrage

"Require all presidents to divest themselves of any business interest so that presidents can't have any conflicts of interest. Take away the lease on the Trump Hotel in Washington D.C. so Trump can't continue to profit from that enterprise."

Oh my. Ear plug time. Ms. Nannie is not going to like this one bit. Hate to be around her tonight. Hope she does follow My Gal's lead and start throwing lamps at the first person who makes eye contact with her. Bad Republicans, bad. Very bad. Mega bad.

http://www.oann.com/house-gop-blocks-dem-proposals-to-ban-federal-spending-at-trump-businesses/

[Bill Tozer]

And never the twain shall meet:
https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1162556353878400/?type=3&theater

Full quote:
"Here at Planned Parenthood, we firmly believe that every person has the right to live, work, and raise a family freely and without the threat of deportation or separation.” —Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood. (Well, not EVERYONE......)