Mueller Mining the Russia Collusion Confusion (updated 5nov17)

George Rebane

It may well be that the ongoing ‘Russia collusion’ investigation will turn out to be a bigger affair than was Watergate, even if it doesn’t connect Donald Trump to any culpable act.  Special prosecutors must needs eventually find something to prosecute, and find it they will as Robert Mueller has already demonstrated with the trio he currently has in his crosshairs.  And it may soon become a quintet if he adds the Podesta brothers.

But what continues to amaze me is the absence of journalistic professionalism on both sides of the common political spectrum.  As a conservetarian (see Glossary) ideologue, I have no trouble identifying the errors, omissions, and bigotry apparent at the lamestream media outlets.  But in recent months the performance of the right-of-center outlets, some claiming to be “fair and balanced”, has further piqued my concern.  Daily they commit errors of semantics and logic that leave us shaking our heads as we consume our daily diets of political intrigue, inanities, and investigations.

A case in point that now pops up regularly is the entire idea of people (on both sides) being accused of or ascribed as ‘colluding’ with the Russians for divers purposes, with not all of these supposedly nefarious deals having the goal of favoring one or the other candidate in the 2016 election.  These collusions are supposed to be bad because they tried to, could have, or actually did throw the election.  Ferreting out such bad collusions was the original commission of the special prosecutor.

Now ‘to collude’ has a very definite meaning which seems to escape the worthies of our Fourth Estate.  Specifically, collude is a verb that means “to act together through a secret understanding, especially with evil or harmful intent.”  The careful reader will note that this is a two-part definition that requires the inclusion of the second part, characterizing ‘intent’, as the conditional which makes a collusion nefarious.  Of course, everyone knows that people, businesses, and other social units constantly collude to achieve ends that are simply prudent and in no way “evil or harmful”.

However, in today’s reporting all these nuances are either too complex for the media reporters and editors, or they are using ‘collusion’ with the unspoken objective to meld both parts of the definition in the minds of their lightly read minions – in short, they’re promoting an agenda.

But to reasonably allege criminal intent as part of any collusion calls for establishing the so-called MOM – motive, opportunity, means – requirements.  The alleged motive part for either side is easy enough to understand; they wanted to win the election.  However, neither the opportunity nor the means parts are addressed in today’s breathless media reporting.  Making the case for ‘evil or harmful intent’ to collude must involve some description of the means for the parties ‘acting together’ to execute a ‘secret understanding’, neither of which have been described within any plausible scenario that would have had any reasonable basis for a measurable effect on the election.  So all we hear today is reporters and talking heads blithely telling us about X or Y colluding with Russia to accomplish what?  Nothing in these reports and subsequent blather make the case beyond use of the word ‘collusion’ – no description of means and/or opportunity scenarios are included.  All these reports and ‘analyses’ simply leave the rest of the considerable blanks to be filled in by carefully fashioned imaginations of the great unwashed.

The Republicans have an easier job of demonstrating the two-part definition of Democrats colluding, because the MOM requirements for the uranium deal, Clinton Foundation corrupt contributions, Hillary’s email transgressions, the manufactured Steele dossier, and the DNC screwing one of its candidates are all a matter of record, no doubt, with much more to come.

But to date, the nation’s Left is doing its best to delude Americans about Team Trump having criminally colluded with the Russians – no evidence for such collusions has yet to be presented, and that definitely includes the indictments and confession of the first trio that got tangled in Mueller’s widely cast net.  No doubt more are to come, but in the interval the astute reader should (1) discriminate between empty allegations and substance when ‘collusion’ is part of the report, and should there be substance, then (2) determine if the discovered substance is actually a criminal collusion tied to Team Trump.

[5nov17 update]  On the WSJ Editorial Report yesterday, I was happy to see that former federal judge Michael Mukasey (also Attorney General under Bush2) agrees with my above analysis of the collusion confusion.  In sum, collusion per se is not against any law, and specifically Mueller’s “collusion against the United States” does not exist as a crime under US Code or in the Constitution.  The empty charge against Manafort and Gates was just thrown in there for political purposes to convince inattentive minds of a connection to the Trump campaign.

Comments

[Paul Emery]

George

What is established fact is that Trumps Campaign manager has been indicted for Conspiracy Against the United States. I'm sure we can agree on that for a start.

[Russ]

OK, you lefty fable makers here is some reality from someone with far more experience in Washington, the Diplomad 2.0

When all the spinning, talking points, and bad/fake news reporting ends, one is left with the irrefutable fact that the Democrats lied about Trump's links to Russia. They lied BECAUSE, in fact, they were the ones in cahoots with the Russians. Bill and Hillary aided Vlad's effort to corner the world's uranium market in exchange for, (drumroll, shocked face) money! Lots of it. Some (around $145 million or so) funneled to the odious criminal organization known as the Clinton Foundation, and other large amounts handed directly to Bill as "speaking fees."

The Clintons and Obama were dead certain Hillary would win the election, and all this grotesque corruption and selling out of the nation's interests would be buried and ignored. Hillary's campaign and the Democratic Party leadership paid millions to a shady outfit (Fusion GPS) to develop a narrative about Trump being the Ruskies' Pet Poodle. In violation of US election laws, the Dems paid millions to foreigners, including Russians, to cook up the salacious but very fake "dossier" on Trump and help ensure the election would go Hillary's way.

It's all coming apart now, a massive train wreck.

Popcorn has never tasted so good . . .

[Russ]

Paul Emery | 31 October 2017 at 02:20 PM

Paul, did you read the charge? Here’s how the indictment related it, saying Manafort and Gates are charged with --

"knowingly and intentionally [conspiring] to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offensives against the United States."

The indictment currently relates to the work Manafort and Gates did in support of a Russia-friendly political party in Ukraine and does not have anything to do with the Trump election or indicate anything done wrong by the Trump campaign. The "conspiring" was done years before the Presidential election!

Do you know how to use a search engine?

[Barry Pruett]

Paul...you are right but that's about the end of it. Manafort is indicted for laundering money among other things long before he was involved with the Trump campaign. Shoot, Trump was not even running for election when this all went down. That said, have you read the indictment? "Company B" in the indictment and the company who was actually doing the lobbying on behalf of Russia/Ukraine is the Podesta Group...as in the same Podesta who was Clinton's campaign manager. Mueller is just getting started and he will be taking down a lot of lobbyists from both sides, but as we sit here and watch today,there is still absolutely no evidence that Trump's campaign did anything remotely close to being illegal. Clinton/Podesta? Another question to be answered in due course.

[Steve Frisch]

Actually Barry, not "the same Podesta who was Clinton's campaign manager." The Podesta of Podesta Group is Tony Podesta. John Podesta who was Clinton's campaign manager left the company in 1993.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group

[Paul Emery]

Don't forget about Fynn Barry, high on Muellers list for sure. He's been real quiet and there is some speculation he might have flipped so to speak. And then there's the Trumplet with his weak excuse for meeting with the Ruskies that Papa Trump tried to cover up.

Trump did hire Flynn while he was under investigation by the FBI which makes his judgement questionable.

Buzz Feed today reports on Flynns vulnerability by reporting:

"Flynn is arguably responsible for the exact same kinds of crimes as Manafort — that is, acting on behalf of a foreign power and not registering,” said Neal Katyal, a former acting US solicitor general and a professor at Georgetown Law School. “One way of understanding the Manafort indictment is that Mueller is saying to Flynn, 'I haven’t indicted you yet, but you know you’re as guilty as Manafort is, you better start cooperating'."

[Barry Pruett]

Yes Steve I agree...but I think that is a distinction without a difference.

Paul...so what if Flynn did the same thing? Mueller is tasked with bringing cases for illegality. This whole thing will end with a truckload of people getting indicted for failing to register as foreign lobbyists (Clinton camp and people associated with Trump). Nothing will lead to Trump and "collusion," because even if it did happen (and there is no evidence to suggest that it did), it does not matter legally. "Collusion" is not illegal. In that sense, this whole thing is a witch hunt.

[Paul Emery]

Russ

The first charge against Manafort is Conspiracy against the United States. Here's a link to details of the crime

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap19-sec371.pdf

[Russ]

Paul,

Read the words of the charge very carefully, and note who he as conspiring against, it was for not registering, money laundering and tax-evasion not for political collusion. And it all happened before the election, nothing to do with Trump.

[Paul Emery]

You are accurate Russ. That's enough to put them away for years. Why do you think Trump didn't know that about Maniforts past before hiring him to run his campaign? Ever hear of vetting Donald?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 535pm - Is that an adroit change of subject Paul?

[Paul Emery]

Has to do with Manifort George and the nature of charges against him and Trumps judgement for hiring him with that as his background.

[Todd Juvinall]

Obama booted a few in his first term long after the campaign was over. Manifort was sent packing during the campaign. I'd say Trump did just fine.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 633pm - Well, if that duck gives you comfort. I suppose your implied allegation against Trump has now equivalent for Hillary's staff choices, right?

[Account Deleted]

"...Trumps judgement for hiring him with that as his background."
Do you have any proof that Trump knew about possible criminal activity that Manafort might have engaged in, Paul? If not - then you have nothing.
Paul must be exhausted with all of his goal post moving. I could have sworn this all was about Trump's collusion with Putin to cause Paul's secret gal Hillary to lose.

[fish]

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 31 October 2017 at 07:10 PM

It doesn't matter......Punch seems to think that if he heaps enough crap on Trump that somehow, magically Hillary will be installed as president!

[Robert Cross]

The writings put forth by the right appear more and more like a game of backgammon. You know where someone keeps doubling down and doubling down until all hope is lost then they concede at the last second. Excuse after excuse and Bullsh** lame 'Hillary did this and that' or 'Obama screwed the pooch' responses that are unrelated to the current state of affairs. Face it boys, Trump is a bust. The sooner you stop defending the slouch the better for the country. If you are true patriots and not just ideologues you should recognize, by now, that Trump is bad for the country and the world.

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 31 October 2017 at 07:33 PM

........thanks Bobby.

[Todd Juvinall]

Wow, if Trump could turn lead to gold and hand a golden turd to Bobbie he would still diss him. No Bobbie, the economy is humming and the business of America is business and it is coming back under Trump. The reason you can't agree is simple. For eight years the slobbering press hid Obama and the left's foibles from you. So I don't totally blame you for your ignorance. Now that Trump is in and the press is in their hate a conservative mood, it is rubbing off. All your heroes in Hollywood are either coming out and/or raping young boys and girls. I would say your ilk is on the ropes, not mine.

[Don Bessee]

Cross as usual bobbie, so we are to give 0 a pass for the mullahs on the march? Lame try there.;-)

[Robert Cross]

Obama is not in office any more Bessee.. you just made the exact lame excuse I was referring to. You are just deflecting the obvious.
The Hollywood folks are't my heroes Todd.. too bad your heroes are the nazis. How many wives have you had Todd? I'd be willing to bet they all divorced you instead of the other way around. what does that tell you? Are you like your hero Trump.... a grabber?

Your welcome fishy. always happy to get your attention.

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 31 October 2017 at 08:29 PM

......thanks Bobby.

[Don Bessee]

The disastrous results of 0 front loading 150 billion before any performance by the mullahs is going to haunt us for a long time, so that's not gone. 0's immigration disasters are just being attenuated and we have yet to get a full disclosure on his wiretaps and illegal disclosures. Then we have all the 0 swamp creatures yet to be rooted out of their rat holes. NO bobbie, what's lame is that you are part of the koolaide drinkers who are happy about the heavy socialist hand that still oppresses the US. Fire all the 0 holdovers and cut the staffs now. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Fish you are so full of shit. I don't like Hillary and didn't vote for her. How can you be so superficial and shallow in your thinking.

[Don Bessee]

Now that's funny @ 1039, just not how the po' ol' fakenewsman wants @ 1039. ;-)

[Gregory]

DB 1046, yes, Paul has a blind spot for self parody. Superficial and shallow indeed.

Paul, you may declare your dislike for Hillary from the hilltops but it was clear you were celebrating her win in the weeks ahead of the election, and wanting Trump's win reversed in the weeks after the election.

[George Rebane]

Some people have the ability to concurrently walk on both sides of the street without ever feeling the stretch.

[Todd Juvinall]

There is that duck again Paul Emery.

[Jaye Smith]

Russ@330, Diplomad 2.0, is that where you get all your information? Show us some facts please on uraniumgate (birthergate 2.0);

“The United States, like Russia, also “already has all the highly enriched uranium we are ever going to need,” says Owen Cote, associate director of the Security Studies Program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. With a surplus of highly enriched uranium, both countries stopped making it in the 1960s, Cote notes. (Since 1993, the United States has also purchased highly enriched uranium from decommissioned Russian nuclear weapons as part of a nonproliferation effort. Those ongoing purchases are more significant for nuclear safety than the ownership of Uranium One.) It is not access to raw uranium that makes countries dangerous, but rather the technical capability to enrich it into weapons-grade material and build missiles capable of delivering warheads. “It really doesn’t matter where uranium comes from,” Cote said.”

‘Uranium One is a Canadian company. Uranium One has exploration projects in Wyoming, Arizona, Colorado and Utah.’
“The Uranium One deal required multiple approvals by the U.S., beginning with the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States. Under federal law, the committee reviews foreign investments that raise potential national security concerns.
The Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States
The Committee on Foreign Investments has nine members, including the secretaries of the treasury, state, defense, homeland security, commerce and energy; the attorney general; and representatives from two White House offices (the United States Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy).
The committee can’t actually stop a sale from going through — it can only approve a sale. The president is the only one who can stop a sale, if the committee or any one member “recommends suspension or prohibition of the transaction,” according to guidelines issued by the Treasury Department in December 2008 after the department adopted its final rule a month earlier.
For this and other reasons, we have written that Trump is wrong to claim that Clinton “gave away 20 percent of the uranium in the United States” to Russia. Clinton could have objected — as could the eight other voting members — but that objection alone wouldn’t have stopped the sale of the stake of Uranium One to Rosatom.
“Only the President has the authority to suspend or prohibit a covered transaction,” the federal guidelines say.”

“It is also important to note that other federal approvals were needed to complete the deal, and even still more approvals would be needed to export the uranium.
First, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission had to approve the transfer of two uranium recovery licenses in Wyoming from Uranium One to the Russian company. The NRC announced it approved the transfer on Nov. 24, 2010. But, as the NRC explained at the time, “no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.”
As NRC explained in a March 2011 letter to Republican Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, the Russian company would have to apply for and obtain an export license and “commit to use the material only for peaceful purposes” in accordance with “the U.S.-Russia Atomic Energy Act Section 123 agreement for peaceful nuclear cooperation.”
In a June 2015 letter to Rep. Peter Visclosky, the NRC said it granted RSB Logistics Services an amendment to its export license in 2012 to allow the Kentucky shipping company to export uranium to Canada from various sources — including from a Uranium One site in Wyoming. The NRC said that the export license allowed RSB to ship uranium to a conversion plant in Canada and then back to the United States for further processing.
Canada must obtain U.S. approval to transfer any U.S. uranium to any country other than the United States, the letter says.
“Please be assured that no Uranium One, Inc.-produced uranium has been shipped directly to Russia and the U.S. Government has not authorized any country to re-transfer U.S. uranium to Russia,” the 2015 letter said.
“That 2015 statement remains true today,” David McIntyre, a spokesman for the NRC, told us in an email.
RSB Logistics’ current export license, which expires in December, still lists Uranium One as one of its suppliers of uranium.
Uranium One, which is now wholly-owned subsidiary of Rosatom, sells uranium to civilian power reactors in the United States, according to the Energy Information Administration. But U.S. owners and operators of commercial nuclear reactors purchase the vast majority of their uranium from foreign sources. Only 11 percent of the 50.6 million pounds purchased in 2016 came from U.S. domestic producers, according to the EIA.
Although Uranium One holds 20 percent of currently licensed uranium in-situ recovery production capacity in the U.S., the company was responsible for only about 11 percent of U.S. uranium production in 2014, according to 2015 congressional testimony by a Department of Energy contractor.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 31 October 2017 at 10:39 PM

Fish you are so full of shit. I don't like Hillary and didn't vote for her. How can you be so superficial and shallow in your thinking.

Sorry Punch but Greg is right.

"Paul, you may declare your dislike for Hillary from the hilltops but it was clear you were celebrating her win in the weeks ahead of the election, and wanting Trump's win reversed in the weeks after the election.

.....and so delightfully transparent in your biases too!

[Paul Emery]

Never celebrated her win Fish. If you read what I wrote at the time you would see that I repeatedly characterized the elections as a failure of our election system to present us with two such disgusting options. Failure of the two party monopoly of our so called Democracy. did I think she would win? Yes, odds were 75% in her favor at the time of the election.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 November 2017 at 09:17 AM

Well you can take the celebration issue up with Greg Punch. Frankly it sounds like your schtick!

I reiterate that your protestation notwithstanding, had Hillary managed to pull it off you wouldn't be breathlessly delivering poll results daily and offering "It's gonna be fun…." everytime some slack jawed media yokel thinks they've found the newest scandal that's going to bring down the Trump administration!

As a self declared Green Libertarian™, when presented with the choice of two evils you should have been mildly relieved when the lesser managed to win the election!

[Paul Emery]

Fish, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 November 2017 at 10:31 AM

Fish, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

….and your point is?

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery the duck. We all see it and read your trip[e and biases all the time yet you deny it. Bi-Polar?

[Paul Emery]

Speaks for itself Fish

[Paul Emery]

Trump is now reported to be turning on his family. How low can he go?

"Speaking to Steve Bannon on Tuesday, Trump blamed Jared Kushner for his role in decisions, specifically the firings of Mike Flynn and James Comey, that led to Mueller’s appointment, according to a source briefed on the call. When Roger Stone recently told Trump that Kushner was giving him bad political advice, Trump agreed, according to someone familiar with the conversation Trump said . “Jared is the worst political adviser in the White House in modern history, I’m only saying publicly what everyone says behind the scenes at Fox News, in conservative media, and the Senate and Congress.”

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 November 2017 at 10:53 AM

Speaks for itself Fish

Whatever Punch……!

[Paul Emery]

Looks like hollywood is following the lead of our pussy grabbing braggart Commander of Chief.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brett-ratner-accused-sexual-harassment_us_59f9be37e4b0d1cf6e91b8af?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

[Paul Emery]

Wow

126 million saw Russian ads on Facebook designed to support Trump

"Elliot Schrage, Facebook’s vice-president of policy and communications, said on 2 October that the advertisements appeared to focus on “divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum, touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights”.

Update

In today's Congressional hearings the number has been upped to 150 million

[Paul Emery]

link
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/30/facebook-russia-fake-accounts-126-million

[Paul Emery]

Oh Oh Sessions may be guilty or perjury.

"Papadopoulos told other committee members, and Trump himself, about his contacts with Russia during a March 31, 2016, meeting — and proposed arranging for the Republican candidate to meet with Russian president Vladimir Putin.

According to a CNN report Wednesday, Trump “didn’t say yes and he didn’t say no.”

But Sessions, then an Alabama senator and chairman of his national security team, shut down the proposal, according to one person present for the meeting and confirmed by another source.

The guilty plea shows Papadopoulos continued trying to arrange a meeting between campaign officials and Russia until at least August 2016.

J.D. Gordon, a former Pentagon spokesman and Trump campaign national security adviser who attended the meeting, told CNN that Papadopoulos “obviously went to great lengths to go around me and Sen. Sessions.”

There’s no evidence at this point to contradict Gordon’s claim — but the new revelations still leave Sessions in a position where he’s damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t.

“The good news for Sessions is that he can plausibly claim to have opposed any Russian collusion,” writes the New Republic‘s Jeet Heer. “The bad news is that, in making those claims, he opens himself up to charges of perjury.”

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/trump-putin-meeting/index.html

[Don Bessee]

Still burdened by lack of comprehension issues in the above, do you even read your own links ya po' ol' fakenewsman? ;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery has a derangement syndrome.

[Paul Emery]

Pretty simple Don. If sessions agrees that he vetoed the Russia proposal he admits he discussed it with Staff and therefore committing perjury. Can you comprehend that?

"But Sessions, then an Alabama senator and chairman of his national security team, shut down the proposal, according to one person present for the meeting and confirmed by another source."

[Paul Emery]

Boring response Todd. Come on. You can do better than that.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1128am - Your TDS dominates Paul. Hollywood led the way to "pussy grabbing" even before Trump was born. If anything, that wayward Trump comment caught on tape was also made on a Hollywood lot to a member of the fellowship. You seem to have a habit of reversing the timeline of events when your ideology is ascendant.

[Paul Emery]

Oh Oh More bad news for Trump this time from Fox News and RR's favorite judge.

"Fox News' Judge Napolitano told Shep Smith that he believes George Papadopoulos wore a wire to get a reduced sentence, noting his belief that this is the tip of the iceberg in Mueller's investigations.

In a very long and detailed segment with Fox News' Shepard Smith, Judge Napolitano was very candid about what the plea deal George Papadopoulos reached with the FBI might mean for the Trump administration.

Smith said, "Analysts say Robert Mueller's decision to reveal all of this now sends a message that Papadopoulos could be giving the special counsel some key information. Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano is here. You think he wore a wire."

Judge Nap replied, "I think he wore a wire.

Smith replied, "You're not alone."

The judge explained that his was a very unusual plea agreement because "it occurred in secret."

[Paul Emery]

Well George, Trumps comments certainly shows that he condones such behavior and that he is a braggard about his personal exploits as a celebrity who can take advantage of women because he's famous and they are helpless to deny him. He certainly verified he is part of the club.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you really are deranged. I sat next to three older babes at the LaMalfa townhall and all three had a pussy hat on. How do you feel that is something young girls should see? And Sessions cannot be tried for anything if he breaks his "recusal". Not a legal issue.

[Todd Juvinall]

And a braggart that says something like he did, "locker room talk" is simply a male with a high testosterone level. At least he was just talking. All your Hollywood heroes (now including Dustin Hoffman) actually did the grabbing. Yet nothing from you about them. Why is that?

[Walt]

Paul links to CNN? LOL!!! Fake news source for a fake news guy. Keep up that substandard work Paul. One more thing. Leave they lawyering
to the experts. Christ! You can't even get the second hand news right.

[Paul Emery]

So ypou claim Trump was lying when he said he was a pussy grabber. Todd, lying or not he's bragging about abusing women. What kind of example is he setting for young men? He is President of the United States.

[Walt]

One more thing Paul,, Trump NEVER said he "did". His EXACT words are,,"you COULD". Get it right for once in your twisted Lefty life.

[George Rebane]

Oh my, the mental machinations of progressives. What a person did/condoned way back when is inevitably something that he does/condones now. There's simply no way that people could change when political purposes need to be served.

And what does all this have to with Mueller and Russian collusion??

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Lying during a Congressional hearing is a felony. You do know that don't you?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 119pm - Apparently not Paul, else Clapper would now be in jail, followed by Brennan, Comey, and almost every other national security service and law enforcement leader. Lying at a congressional hearing has long developed into a fine art that is prosecuted only when the correct political winds are blowing. Naifs believe otherwise.

[Paul Emery]

Here's the transcript Walt. Trump says "I did try and fuck her. She was married." How explicit do you have to be. I assume you condone that kind of behavior

Donald J. Trump: You know and ...

Unknown: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.

Trump: I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it.

Unknown: Whoa.

Trump: I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.
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Billy Bush: Sheesh, your girl’s hot as shit. In the purple.

Trump: Whoa! Whoa!

Bush: Yes! The Donald has scored. Whoa, my man!

[Crosstalk]

Trump: Look at you, you are a pussy.

[Crosstalk]

Trump: All right, you and I will walk out.

[Silence]

Trump: Maybe it’s a different one.

Bush: It better not be the publicist. No, it’s, it’s her, it’s —

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Bush: Uh, yeah, those legs, all I can see is the legs.

[Paul Emery]

George

Are you saying it's not against the law to lie at a Congressional hearing or that it's just not enforced?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 141pm - It should be clear to everyone that in my 124pm I said that any such laws are only haphazardly, gratuitously, and politically enforced. And lately, they have not been enforced at all, especially against those on the political left. You should understand that if you can relate to the enforcement of federal MJ laws pertaining to Class 1 narcotics.

[Walt]

LOL Paul!! Just change a word here and it fits what you want it to.
I read it a LONG time ago, and repeatedly after that just to make damned sure. You didn't even source where you got it.(CNN?)
But all you want to do is stay stuck on stupid. Keep trying to make something out of nothing.. Good job Paul.
That accusation has gone nowhere, and won't go anywhere. Time for some fresh material old fossil.

So old man,, just where is the crime? There is no crime in talking to anyone. Even in Russia.
Ask the guy at SBC who "talks" to people in China. He has even flown there. There must be a crime in there somewhere,,, right Paul? He set foot on Commie soil.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

Trump repeatedly to the American people that his campaign had no contact with Russia prior to the election. It appears that is not true. What does that make Trump ? -a Liar

[Walt]

Paul. ALL those LIBS who lied to Congress. Your memory that short?
Eric Holder ring a bell? Most of the "O" administration lied to Congress at one point or another. Not one charge to date.
It seems it's only Repubs you care about doing ANY lying. No matter how slight or lost in history.
Kinda like the LIB reporter demanding answers from Trump on slavery and the civil war.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/01/sarah-sanders-takes-question-april-ryan-about-trump-administration-slavery

[Paul Emery]

It's just a testament to the character of our President Walt, someone you respect and admire.

[Paul Emery]

For your reading pleasure

Trump nearing all time low in consensus poll. 17.8 disapproval. Record lows in polling history for a new President at this stage.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

[Paul Emery]

So George if it is found that Sessions blatantly lied during his confirmation hearings he should, in your view, be able to stay in his position.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery has a derangement syndrome. It is truly sad.

[Paul Emery]

Boring Todd. You can do better than that. Give it a go.

[Walt]

Yup, He's a lot like me! Takes no shit, and sure ain't no politician. Get the damned job DONE!
Still no " I grabbed'm" Paul. A big diff between "I did",, and "you can".

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 November 2017 at 02:45 PM

….still president Punch!

(and you seem overstimulated…..maybe a nice glass of warm milk and a nap would help?)

[fish]

Read a laugh out loud story about somebody else with an unhealthy obsession with the president

"That could have been it – a single-day, perfectly executed protest starring two products of Hollywood. But it wasn’t to be just a one-day soiree…it was scheduled to last the entire length of President Trump’s term. There are possibly only two people with the composure to keep a protest of that length civil.

The Dalai Lama was busy.

Shia LaBeouf wasn’t – and he was destined to show Hollywood the lengths to which some on the right are willing to go to seek revenge.

After Jaden (Smith) kicked off the protest, Shia joined in, setting off the kind of media fanfare that we’ve all come to expect for anything anti-Trump. “Shia LaBeouf Launches Four-Year-Long Trump Protest Live Stream With Jaden Smith,” screamed a Variety headline. “Shia LaBeouf Kicks Off 4-Year Anti-Trump Live Stream,” added Deadline. Instead of just pointing out the usual “what if we did this to Obama on the day of his inauguration” hypocrisy, the opposition reacted more aggressively. In a matter of just twenty-four hours, Trump supporters from 4chan, the wildly (and sometimes perversely) politically incorrect online chatroom that gave birth to the infamous hacker group Anonymous, coopted the live stream and began triggering Shia so hard that by day five the confused actor was arrested for reportedly attacking a man that was his own supporter.

The live stream trolling was so effective that the museum hosting the protest ended the exhibit after just three weeks. It was an undisputed win for Trump supporters, and it looked like the end of the shenanigans. But the web series sensation got renewed for a Season Two when Shia LaBeouf moved the live-stream from New York to Albuquerque, New Mexico.

It was doomed from the outset.

With the humor instinct of Sinead O’Connor, Shia stepped to the camera in a rage that was something to behold – talking with such fervor that he had to wipe the saliva shooting out of his mouth from the camera. “You’re our president, but we’re watching – you fuckin’ liar! He will not divide us…He’s working with fuckin’ Russian spies!” (Sound familiar)

With an 18th Street gangsta – thought to be the largest transnational criminal gang – by his side, Shia taunted the “Nazi” trolls to come down to the protest. Within the first few days, two people flashed guns, two others flashed genitals, and there were several near fistfights. But despite the intimidation tactics, the trolls kept arriving to trigger the celeb. In less than a week, gunshots were heard off camera. Shia’s tweet was soon to follow. “We have taken the stream down after shots were reported in the area.”

Game over, right? Not quite.

With Jaden now nowhere in sight, Shia came up with the brilliant idea of continuing the anti-Trump protest by placing a flag emblazoned with the words “He Will Not Divide Us” in an undisclosed location, with a camera live streaming it for the remainder of Trump’s presidency.

It goes on and gets better (goes national…then international…uses flight track software….employs volunteers, literally Tennesseean's for a high tech game of Capture the Flag)…truly the feel good story of the year!

http://www.breitbart.com/tinseltown/3/

[Paul Emery]

Well how about this Walt Is this sexual assault in your view?

Trump: I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul; Emery is consumed with a derangement. Sad.

[Paul Emery]

Still boring Todd. Sounds like you're fading as an astute commentator. Just like your flop in politics after your little winning streak.

[Don Bessee]

Where is the assault @ 327, furniture shopping? That must have been some ugly furniture. ;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery resorts to Todd Derangement Syndrome now. Sad.

[Paul Emery]

Assault ? What does "I moved on her like a bitch" amd "I did try and fuck her" mean to you Walt?

By the way I appreciate your interminable interest in this matter Walt. Lets me keep posting disgusting Trump quotes.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery cracks me up. When I whip his ass he always comes back with some dumb stuff. What a hoot! You need to go to a bath house bub.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 November 2017 at 03:53 PM

The last refuge of the scoundrel…….Concern Trolling.

[fish]

The last refuge of the scoundrel…..neglecting to close html tags!

[fish]

Now what?

[Walt]

Paul. You get like this every so often. The bottle running dry?
Because there is NOTHING on Trump, your going to your old standby?
LOL! The ONLY person still yapping about this is you.
But how bout your counterpart at NPR? Miss that news, or just ignoring it? All you guys in media out doing a little "grabbing" of your own. So which hippy chick just might be pointing the finger at you? All it takes now is "he did "X" to me 30 years ago(in your case 50) No proof required! It's all about "me TOO!!" right now.

OHhhh.. Now what do you think about slaves and the civil war Paul?
Did Lincoln secretly hate the idea of freeing the slaves?
Because there is NOTHING on Trump, your going to your old standby?
LOL!

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Everyone that has followed RRs over the years can vividly remember Paul Emery complaining constantly about Bill Clinton's sexual assaults. Right?
Now all he has to complain about is Trump taking a woman furniture shopping.
Must be tough.

[Paul Emery]

Taking a woman furniture shopping Walt? You have forced me to re post Trump quotes:

Trump: I did try and fuck her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.
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Also this:

Trump

"I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

Trump is on tape admitting to assaulting women and saying because he's rich and famous he can do whatever he wants. Why don't you admit Trummp is a sexist Pig so we an move on. You keep trying to defend him Walt and it's a losing proposition.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery give it up. You are deranged.

[fish]

Why don't you admit Trummp is a sexist Pig......?

He is! We don’t care!

Shit Punchy you are dense!

[Don Bessee]

It sounds like the po' ol' fakenewsmans stash of old playboys are all worn out @ 607. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

For our occasional readers Don Bessee was the originator and spokesperson of the infamous Measure W in 2015 that would have banned all outdoor cannabis growing in Nevada County. The effort lost miserably-60-40 and cost Nevada County taxpayers over $70,000. His political opinions have no credibility in Nevada County.

[Paul Emery]

That was 2016

[Paul Emery]

Well Scott at least we both agree that trump is a Sexist Pig, How about you Walt, do you also agree?

[fish]

I think you’re confused as to who you are addressing again Punch!

[Don Bessee]

CHA-CHING @ 639! When there is no po' ol' party parrot talking point left, retreat to tired spin. We can certainly review the facts on the ground about W but I would point to my interview on your show post election in the KVMR archives for the facts of the matter, or have you purged that because it does not fit your narrative? ;-)

[Walt]

Paul,, I really think you like making those quotes. No one "forced" you to do anything. Now your no better than the "me too" folks.

AHH yess. Now on to dope. You sure stayed quiet when I informed you how Mom and Pop weed grower just got screwed.(Like I said... Told you so.) Big dope is cutting you out of the picture.. "But HAY!! THANKS!! You did the work for us. We just make a few campaign donations so the politicians write what we want. You guys went to jail, and paid the fines. Thanks for taking one for the team. Big dope will take it from here...."

[Bill Tozer]

What is the topic? Mueller goes into court with an empty hand and tries to call your bluff. Only the suckers, bedwetters, and the obvious stark raging insane falls for that song and dance.

So far, ar big nothing burger. Yes, their is mountains of corruption coordinating with Wolf B, Anderson Cooper setting the narrative in connection with the Psychopaths running the DNC, Deep State, Progressive leaners in Congress and Even In Trump’s circle...all colluding to do a political coup of a fairly elected President.

Been that way since they came up with the whole collusion cover story the day after he election, then paying off Jill Stein, then intimidate the electors, then Yellow Shower, and so many waves of strawmen and false narratives I lost count.

Before this is vet, the entire Left will have no credibility. Many have lost all credibility in the eyes of millions, yet they refuse to believe it, lol.

It’s true, it’s true. You can’t shame a sociopath. Or is that a psychopath? No matter. All the Democrat Socialists, Alt-Left, and off the rail insane fakenews dudes have crossed the point of no return. Just yesterday CNN (could have been ABC) reported that the NY Islamic Terrorist attack was a road rage incident. That is how friggin lost in their own Ozone bubble they are.

[Paul Emery]

Oh I get you guys confused Fish you are all the same. Anyway thanks for agreeing with me about Trump being a sexist Pig.

Don

Measure W lost miserably and cost Nevada County $70,000 Are you denying that?

[Paul Emery]

I mean Don you're sounding like Hillary. You're both bad losers. At least whe won the popular vote instead of losing by 20% like you did.

[fish]

Measure W lost miserably and cost Nevada County $70,000 Are you denying that?

Yo C-Nile….you asked me to drop the "Paul is off his meds" bit…..you need to quit the Matlock routine!

And of course if we all sound the same you could spout off over at Pellines!

Wait they all sound the same over there too!

Never mind!

[Don Bessee]

Asked and answered counselor fakenewsman. Again the recording of my interview on your show is anything but your screech @ 715. I was very gracious and honest about the outcome, especially the R turnout issues. Seems your memory and talking point fails you, now I know for sure you purged it from the archives! Lets not forget measure S went down just as hard in a full turnout on both sides vote. You all wanted a special election on that one and screwed it up. How much did all your teams failed lawsuits cost us? You know that they have playboy online now since your paper ones are all worn out. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

I thought S was a bad idea Don. You don't know me very well.