Sandbox - 20nov17

[Can anyone give a cogent definition of an 'inappropriate sexual advance' or 'sexual harassment' that is accepted by more than two people?  If not, then what are we really talking about? gjr]

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[Walt]

A note to Boardman. My "permit" is known as the 2ND Amendment.
Care to define "just anybody"?
""if we're going to permit just about anybody to buy assault rifles and 30-round magazines, "

[Walt]

Lois Learner fears us in Nevada county.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/20/lois-lerner-wants-irs-testimony-sealed-fearing-death-threats.html#
"Lerner and Paz pointed to comments from Tea Party leader Mark Meckler that the lawsuit would “treat the IRS like the criminal thugs they are.” The court filing argued that his comments have created a “fertile environment where threats” against them have “flourished.” "

[Don Bessee]

Fresh kitty litter! Here is a lunch tid bit for the haters-

https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2017/11/20/u-s-growth-forecasts-are-on-the-rise/

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Poor baby!

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/20/kathy-griffin-complains-shes-unemployable-after-being-blacklisted-from-hollywood-for-trump-photo-scandal.html

;-)

[Account Deleted]

Boardman is continuing his ignorant tirade against the 2nd A.
We could invite him to post here about his latest outburst and he could provide details, facts and reason to bolster his opinion piece published by the Union, but we know that's not going to happen.
The whole gun-grabbing movement will go forward unabated, with its sails billowing full of hysteria, emotion and misinformation.

[Bill Tozer]

Sandbox opener:

“Can anyone give a cogent definition of an 'inappropriate sexual advance' or 'sexual harassment' that is accepted by more than two people? If not, then what are we really talking about? gjr]”

Bingo! Yep, unless we get a nice graduated list of offenses and their order of the seriousness of the dastardly deeds, how can we tailor the punishment to fit the crime? Like, ole George H W Bush, spinning around in his wheelchair at 90 years of age, buzzing down the hallways and slapping a 25 year old aid on the caboose as he laughs and heads for the kitchen. Should we fillet him, batter him up and dip him in the deep fryer, remove all reference to him in the annuals of history, of have someone say, “Now George, stop being so frisky for Pete’s sake. Stop it right now.”

Hey, we got everything from involuntary manslaughter in a darn near misdemeanor category to first degree murder and a bunch of degrees on murder in between.
So, without some like of easy to read pamphlet or something, how do I know when it’s time to say, “ Off with their heads” and give t the fatal thumbs down or say “leave the poor smuck alone, he has been punished enough. Spare his life.” Is a text worse than a feel? I would hate to come down to hard on someone who accidentally walked out of the office bathroom with his fly half down.....or was it accidental??? And what about intent? Was this the first time the supervisor walked around with his barn door wide open...or just in front of the new young fine female trainee.

Need a list

[fish]

Posted by: Scott Obermuller | 20 November 2017 at 01:00 PM

The whole gun-grabbing movement will go forward unabated, with its sails billowing full of hysteria, emotion and misinformation.

…..and failing wildly everywhere (except California)!

[ArchieBunker]

President Trump has his work cut out for him in his dealings with China.

Chinese Supremacy!
This article, though aimed at a U.S. audience, gives a scary insight into China's growing economic power.
A Little Known Reality:
In future China will employ millions of American workers and dominate thousands of small communities all over the United States.
Chinese acquisition of U.S. Businesses set a new all-time record last year, and it is on pace to shatter that record this year.
The Smithfield Foods acquisition is an example. Smithfield Foods is the largest pork producer and processor in the world.
It has facilities in 26 U.S. States and it employs tens of thousands of Americans.
It directly owns 460 farms and has contracts with approximately 2,100 others.
But now a Chinese company has bought it for $ 4.7 billion, and that means that the Chinese will now be the most important employer
in dozens of rural communities all over America.
Thanks in part to our massively bloated trade deficit with China, the Chinese have trillions of dollars to spend.
They are only just starting to exercise their economic muscle.
It is important to keep in mind that there is often not much of a difference between "the Chinese government" and "Chinese corporations".
In 2011, 43 per cent of all profits in China were produced by companies where the Chinese government had a controlling interest in.
Last year a Chinese company spent $2.6 billion to purchase AMC entertainment - one of the largest movie theater chains in the United States.
Now that Chinese company controls more movie ticket sales than anyone else in the world.
But China is not just relying on acquisitions to expand its economic power.
"Economic beachheads" are being established all over America.
For example, Golden Dragon Precise Copper Tube Group, Inc. recently broke ground on a $100 million plant in Thomasville, Alabama.
Many of the residents of Thomasville, Alabama will be glad to have jobs,
but it will also become yet another community that will now be heavily dependent on communist China.
And guess where else Chinese companies are putting down roots?
Detroit. Chinese-owned companies are investing in American businesses and new vehicle technology,
selling everything from seat belts to shock absorbers in retail stores,
and hiring experienced engineers and designers in an effort to soak up the talent and expertise of domestic automakers and their suppliers.
If you recently purchased an "American-made" vehicle, there is a really good chance that it has a number of Chinese parts in it.
Industry analysts are hard-pressed to put a number on the Chinese suppliers operating in the United States.
China seems particularly interested in acquiring energy resources in the United States.
For example, China is actually mining for coal in the mountains of Tennessee.
Guizhou Gouchuang Energy Holdings Group spent $616 million dollars to acquire Triple H Coal Co. in Jacksboro,Tennessee.
At the time, that acquisition really didn't make much news,
but now a group of conservatives in Tennessee is trying to stop the Chinese from blowing up their mountains and taking their coal.
And pretty soon China may want to build entire cities in the United States just like they have been doing in other countries.
Right now China is actually building a city larger than Manhattan just outside Minsk, the capital of Belarus.
Are you starting to get the picture? China is on the rise. If you doubt this, just read the following:
# When you total up all imports and exports, China is now the number one trading nation on the entire planet.
# Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars.
# China has more foreign currency reserves than anyone else on the planet.
# China now has the largest new car market in the entire world.
# China now produces more than twice as many automobiles as the United States does.
# After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, GM is involved in 11 joint ventures with Chinese companies.
# China is the number one gold producer in the world.
# The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China.
# 85% of all artificial Christmas trees the world over are made in China.
# The new World Trade Center tower in New York is going to include glass imported from China.
# China now consumes more energy than the United States does.
# China is now in aggregate the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world.
# China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined.
# China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe.
# China produces 3 times as much coal and 11 times as much steel as the United States does.
# China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements.
# China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of any national defense system.
# In published scientific research articles China is expected to become number one in the world very shortly.

[fish]

President Trump has his work cut out for him in his dealings with China.

I don't know why you think Trump has his work cut out for him…….after his 2nd term he gets to go back to being a billionaire. It will be up to the two established political parties to continue selling the country down the river.

[Walt]

Where is Paul? Has anyone rocked his van today to see if he's awake?
Hangovers at his age can be real rough.

[fish]

Oh no! Another progressive stalwart…….!

Eight women say Charlie Rose sexually harassed them — with nudity, groping and lewd calls

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/eight-women-say-charlie-rose-sexually-harassed-them--with-nudity-groping-and-lewd-calls/2017/11/20/9b168de8-caec-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html?utm_term=.b453a9018353

[fish]

Truly the happiest headline you'll see today!

Why Bill Clinton’s Legal Reckoning Spells the End of Hillary’s Career.

All that's left now is working as a frumpy pantsuit model!

https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/hillarys-idiot-decisions/

[Russ]

Nebraska approved the XL Pipeline, it was the last obstacle to finishing the pipe to the coast.

[Todd Juvinall]

The XL sure was an eco wet dream for stopping. Good for Nebraska. Charlie Rose? Say what! The guy that admitted he supported Obama just because his pants had a nice crease? Wow! And he is 75 and still doing his naked dance for gals half his age. These kinds of "journalists" are the ones dissing Judge Moore? Oh a NYT reporter same same. Hell next thing we will here is a KNCO person once was diddling a teen girl!

[George Rebane]

Gentlemen, gentlemen - will no one step up to the plate and take a swing at an operational definition of 'sexual harassment' and/or 'inappropriate sexual advance'?? Where are the great intellects that frequent these pages? Perhaps one of the ladies who comment here will show us the way with or from a unique perspective of the aggrieved.

Without definitions we just joyously tally the expanding allegations, and are no better than the unnamed gentleman who has regaled us with updated poll results for the last several years. Neither of these approaches have shed more light on their respective areas.

[fish]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 20 November 2017 at 03:21 PM

The guy that admitted he supported Obama just because his pants had a nice crease?

……David Brooks….token "conservative" at the NY Times.

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 20 November 2017 at 03:21 PM

Gentlemen, gentlemen - will no one step up to the plate and take a swing at an operational definition of 'sexual harassment' and/or 'inappropriate sexual advance'??

Neither term has any real meaning George. Sexual Assault is everything from a pat on the ass to forcible rape! Sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advance are exactly what the accuser needs them to be for any set of circumstances.

I'm going to play the Ben Emery card and refer you to this helpful educational video!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966?snl=1

I hope it clears up these questions for you!

[Bill Tozer]

1)This warms the cockles of me weary heart:
“There was nothing fast and easy about [negotiations with Ireland in the '90s]. [Bill] didn’t Tweet about it. He got to work about it and he actually got it done.” —Hillary Clinton (Twitter launched in 2006)

2) Gee, I guess I missed all that tough love.
“I’m trying to make up for the fact that I think I was too tough on [Bill] Clinton.” —MSNBC’s Chris Matthews reflecting on the change of heart other media figures are having re: Clinton’s sex scandals

3) Never change, Democrats, I am begging you, never change. And quit asking where are all the white women . Yes, that means you, too, Uncle Joe.
Wow, like I never heard that one before.

“It’s one of the most dangerous times in modern history. I think that there have always been voices in our country — and particularly in the 19th and 20th century in Europe — that have always tried to take advantage of pain and change. Do you think [Trump] really cares about the kids I grew up with in Scranton, Pennsylvania as far as their economic well-being?” —Joe Biden

4) Drum roll please........
“Radio host Leeann Tweeden came forward and said Sen. Al Franken groped her without her consent. And she posted a photo as evidence. In fact, it’s so bad Franken’s already a front runner for president in 2020.” —Jimmy Fallon

[Jaye Smith]

Sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advances are like porn, you know it when you see it.
Harassment is, in my mind, mostly verbal but could include leering, gestures, rubbing or pinching butts, etc. The example I am thinking of would be the stereotypical construction workers cat calls, whistles, sort of stuff.
Inappropriate sexual advances are where physical contact occurs in more of a foreplay mode, like forced kissing, or fondling, etc. in more of a private setting.

[fish]

Timely!

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/11/20/154150

[Todd Juvinall]

Sexual Harassment? If you watch this you will see what it is today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TErlkUyHY5c

[L Cluedarino]

What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall,,,Roy Moore???

[Todd Juvinall]

No it is L Cluedarino

Watch out the cops are after you.

[Bill Tozer]

Good Doctor @ 3:21 pm.

Hold your horses there, Doc. You sound like Punchy all pent up with frustrated sexual tension. What, you can’t wait to talk about when boy meets girl? Can’t wait the hear the details, all the ins and outs, eh? That’s all what you males think about anyway, so here goes....but first the disclaimer:

1). Since the libs own the media and the entertainment industries, it only seems logical (and most reasonable to assume) that the accused in the above industries are disproportionately represented as the poster boys of sicko pervs. Like, they won the gold medal in the Sexual Harasser Competion....their competitors are so far behind left in the dust that it will take many moons for them to catch up. Turn on the boob tube, you are going to hear about the “gag me with a spoon” icky stuff some male liberal or some male Dem lubber did to a single white female. Sick shit and no need to wonder what the common denominator is....libs. Rich libs. Filthy rich evil male libs! Disclaimer over.

Dr Rebane, I will start here to take a stab at it.

“Much has been made … of Louis C.K.‘s public apology for exposing himself and masturbating in front of women. While most of the attention has been focused on the imbalance of power … very little has been said about his rather bizarre behavior and its origins. … Some men have become so used to watching pornography that it is easier for them to handle matters on their own. These men don’t need actual physical contact with a woman — having her sit on the other side of the room works just fine. … Even in a culture where consent is the only consideration in sexual encounters, it is still useful for men and women to have reasonable expectations of one another. And just as most men probably don’t want to be compared to porn stars, most women don’t want to be treated like them.” —Independent Women’s Forum senior fellow Naomi Schaefer Riley

[fish]

Posted by: L Cluedarino | 20 November 2017 at 04:24 PM

What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall,,,Roy Moore???

What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall White House…..Bill Clinton

What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall New York PBS…..Charlie Rose

What is the working definition of older men stalking teenage girls at the mall on an airplane…..Al Franken

What is the working definition of an older man stalking teenage girls at the mall shuffling around the trailer in an adult diaper……Doug KKKeachie.

[Don Bessee]

I guess the dems going full blown left wing has hit its funding, Antifa and BLM are not putting their moms money where their mouth is. You can only sneak out of the basement and raid the couch for change so often. Almost half from donations under $200.00.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/rnc-raised-9-million-october/

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Fish

Correct me if I'm wrong but Monica Lewinsky was in her 20's- I believe 22- when she was an intern at the White House. Obviously not a teenager.

Also what was the age of the women you claim Al Franken stalked on an airplane?
Lindsay Menz was in her 20's.

[Walt]

@ J. Smith. Leave Us construction workers out of this.
We have licence to "look" and "catcall". It goes with the territory, and is expected of us.
Do you forget our place in society?

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 November 2017 at 04:56 PM

Allow me some poetic license when dealing with the manic Bun Bun Punch.

Regardless, any female who can be used to further the aims of the democratic party is by definition a helpless waif, babe in the woods, the innocent fruit of America youth!

[Robert Cross]

Apparently, according to Kellyanne Conway, whether or not sexual advances/harassment/misbehavior matters or not depends on how you will vote. After saying that “Whatever the facts end up being, the premise, of course, the principle, the incontrovertible principle, is that there is no Senate seat worth more than a child,” in reference to charges against Roy Moore. She has changed her mind. Now she says that voters should ignore that Moore is a child molester because 'we" (referring to wealthy donors not hard working Americans) need his vote to pass the tax bill. “I’m telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through,” said Conway. How quaint. Morals don't count when there is money to be made, which seems to sum up the new grifter economy of the Trump presidency quite well.

[fish]

Allow me some poetic license with the careless handling of HTML code!

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 20 November 2017 at 05:09 PM

Morals don't count when there is money to be made, which seems to sum up the new grifter economy of the Trump presidency quite well.

Said every big money democrat donor ever!

[fish]

Yeah…..I forgot about that guy!

Oh well……given their huge numbers it's tough to keep all the democrat sexual harassers straight!

DeGette says Bob ‘Filthy’ Filner sexually harassed her, too

http://www.trbimg.com/img-57cd0698/turbine/sdut-daily-show-bob-filner-single-worst-sentence-summer-2013aug16

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/11/20/the-hits-keep-coming-rep-diana-degette-says-bob-filthy-filner-sexually-harassed-her-too/?utm_campaign=twitchywidget

[L Cluedarino]

MyghtyFishy,,,didn't get enough gold fish flakes??? nobody is saying Libs are denying anything you say,,,Libs admit. Twisted up little partisan prolls like your ilk cannot admit that a DA trolling the malls for teens is a little bizzarro.

[Walt]

OK folks, Anyone been keeping score? From what I read, there is only one guy saying "F U!!!! I didn't do it!" Moore has stuck to his guns. And at this time, said "evidence" has yet to be forked over!( the yearbook a fake, and they know it? The gamble did pay off.)
Is the ruling class above this kind of smear? You tell me..

[Walt]

OHH what will be next? How the rich and powerful treat their servants? It's honest to goodness slavery?
Look at all the collusion that's taken place to keep womanizing under wraps.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, what does the age of the gal have to do with it? It is all about power. Like your power over the little secretarys in the office.

[Bill Tozer]

Paul, Monica in the beautiful blue dress and tong beneath was 19 years old as an intern,
When Bubba used her maidenhood as a cigar humidor. 20 years old when the story broke, and then 21 and know she be a beautiful woman who was once young, dumb, impressable, and under the spell of the most powerful man on earth, FYI. She might have been18 going on 19 she first landed the gig at the White House. Bubba said her breasts were too small, like Hillary’s.

[Bill Tozer]

Typos. Monica was 19 when Bubba was sitting in church on Easter Sunday with the First Family when he abruptly left to have the chrome sucked off his trailer hitch bal in the Oral Office, leaving his teen daughter and First Lady to sit throug the sermon.

[Paul Emery]

Well teenagers are teenagers so it does make a difference. Should be more accurate.

[fish]

Posted by: L Tardarino | 20 November 2017 at 05:35 PM

You're awfully defensive for a bunch of guys who have already admitted to these bad acts!? "Libs admit"….they sure do Keach, they sure do! 25 years after the fact and after sullying the reputations of the victims! But hey…..you guys ar the party of "The Woman"……did you pull a Nina Burleigh and offer to orally satisfy the last democratic presidential candidates husband!

Anyway Keach I'm already on record as saying that Moore won't be…and shouldn't be seated as senator so your beef is really with the voters in Alabama!

[fish]

Delightful…..

Some say that it’s so, so very wrong to take so much pleasure at a scandal in which the heroes of the Democrat Party are all being exposed as handsy, tonguey creeps. But if it’s wrong to laugh at the hilarious comeuppance these hypocrites are suffering, I don’t want to be right. In fact, I want to be super-mega-hyper wrong.

Liberals have always been a bunch of lying posers pretending to be allies of women, and some of us always knew it was a scam. To see the truth so gloriously revealed, and to watch their humiliating back-pedaling and equivocation, is wonderful. Get-me-a-cigarette-and-a-cuddle wonderful.

Sure, we have an issue of our own, but is it unfair to point out that Judge Jailbait was a Democrat back when he was cruising malls for teen action? Yeah, it’s probably unfair. Too bad. Own your perversions, Party of the Wandering Hands.

Roy Moore is a problem, but he’s just one problem. It’s probably easier to list all the Democrats who we haven’t recently found are positively Weinsteinian. Noted Clinton supporter Anthony Wiener was super-close to Chuck Schumer, who’s got to spend every moment he’s not lying about tax reform wondering which Democrat bigwig is going to be exposed as the next fern defiler. Thanks to his youth-oriented tendencies, Weiner just started an exciting new career in license plate fabrication. At least he’ll have some terrific reading during what he hopes are those lonely minutes right before lights out.

Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Saigon) was accused of grabbing a woman 40 years ago, which might be false, so he’s lucky he’s not at some college facing the kangaroo court rules his party imposed. Anyway, he’s got an ironclad alibi – at the time he was busy earning the Medal of Honor in ‘Nam.

Then there’s Senator Bob Menendez (D-Lolita), who considers his hung jury on federal corruption charges, which included underage hooker allegations, a big victory. His slogan, when he runs for re-election, should be, “You can’t prove nothin’!”

And Senator Al Franken (D-Medellin) continued his unbroken dumbness streak by actually letting someone photograph him while he made a play for the only kind of woman who digs him, an unconscious one. That made it a bit hard to deny, though he did troop out seven women to assure us that he never harassed any of them. Of course, most of us could probably round up seven people we didn’t molest. Not Bill Clinton, but most of us.

Oh yeah, did you get the memo? Just this week, the Democrats discovered that Bill Clinton was a sex abuser. Who knew? It’s nice the liberals finally resolved the tension between their competing clichés about “We must believe the women!” and “How dare you blaspheme our priapic demigod!” It was weird how this revelation occurred just as the Dem establishment was trying desperately to put the kibosh on Felonia von Pantsuit’s growing confidence that 2020 will finally be Her year. Gosh, if only someone had called Her out on a little watched cable news network as a sex abuse-enabling monster the last time she was running.

I guess you can only bet on the three-legged horse so many times before you figure out she’s never going to win and send her to the Jell-O factory. Noted Clinton supporter and Jell-O pitch perv Bill Cosby was unavailable for comment on advice of his lawyers.

We have yet to see if there is going to be some historical revisionism about the Lion of the Senate, Ted Kennedy (D-Atlantis), or about weather religion cultist and masseuse-tickler Al Gore. We’ll also have a chance to find out if voters will be intrigued by one Democrat’s campaign on an innovative “Vote for me! I am an unlikely sex machine!” platform.

And back in Hollywood, Pervgate continues. Recently, noted Clinton supporter (Is this a theme or what?) Lena Dunham raised her face up from the steam table long enough to claim the (very) young lady who just accused her producing pal of rape is lying. Apparently, the rule is that, “We must believe women … when they are making useful accusations.” But, don’t dismiss Lena’s insights out of hand; she’s an expert on people who make up stories about sexual assault. Don’t worry about Lena – though her unwatchable show is off the air, with her qualifications she can run always run for Senate.

In short, basically the Democrat Party is a Duke lacrosse team that actually did it.

This scandal poses some unique problems for our liberal friends. The Democrats spent decades telling women how Republicans hate them and now, well, it appears the Democrats like women, just the wrong way, and they like obtaining consent not at all. Pervgate is generating gross revelation after gross revelation, and basically America’s ladies are being asked, “Show me on the doll where the bad party touched you.”

They’re answering, “Everywhere, and also on my houseplants.”

The Democrats used to be able to exploit the fact that GOP voters actually have morals. But then the tyranny of the new rules arose and their ploy stopped working. Gloria Allred dragged out a bunch of accusers to try and get us to abandon Trump in 2016, and all she got was a “Meh.” People saw the math didn’t work.

“You are morally obligated to dump this guy based on the shaky contentions of a bunch of people a rabid liberal partisan who makes money off such accusations produced, and you must therefore vote for the woman who spent the last thirty years trashing the abused women her husband left weeping in his wake. Because patriarchy.”

Nope. No more. Republicans refused to allow their morals to be weaponized against them again, and it confounded the libs. That meant they had to rely on their candidate and their policy positions and, well, that went poorly.

See, that’s the problem with hypocrisy. It’s not merely that the idea that, “If you do it you lose, and if we do it, we still get to win,” is so galling, though it is. It’s that it can actually change the rules. The rule used to be that accused sexual abusers can’t be politicians. That stopped being the rule when the Democrats Move(d) On. So when they tried to invoke the rule in 2016, they found it was uninvokeable.

This is how you got Roy Moore, who should have arranged to be in a federal corruption trial right because then no one in the Senate would be demanding that he drop out. Alabama voters might very well choose the guy who dated babies over the one who wants to kill them, and if Moore wins, a good part of the reason will be, “The hell with you liberals.”

I keep telling them that they are going to hate the new rules.

But, of course, thanks to the giant hard left progressive faction within the Democrat Party, they have a problem. The crony centrist Clintonish contingent is perfectly happy to ignore Dem abuse of women because they don’t actually care – it is all a pose. But the prog wing has an incentive to continue to pretend to care about women because their faux outrage is a weapon they can wield in trying to win the party civil war. So now, they have Albatross Franken to deal with – some of the Democrats aren’t going to go along quietly with the usual three-act script that dictates a first act of fake concern, then a second act of fake contrition, and that climaxes with fake consequences. Franken may well be sacrificed on the altar of wokeness.

Gosh, I love blue-on-blue fratricide.

Roy Moore is a pain to the GOP for what he allegedly did back when he was a Democrat, but the Donkeys are doing all they can to neutralize the fallout. Franken and Menendez also provide the GOP with a ready-made response to all those Roy Moore ads the Democrats are slobbering to drop. Stuart Smarmy was dumb enough, and tacky enough to, doggone it, let himself get caught on film doing it. The GOP might be the Party of a Perv, but the Democrats are the Party of a Bunch of Pervs.

Here’s the thing everyone sees clearly now. The Democrats never actually believed all that stuff they shovel about women. It was a pose, a scam, a grift run on the suckers. And now, thanks to the likes of Al Franken being unable to interact successfully with women who are awake, the curtain has been thrown back. What it reveals is a pathetic collection of losers trying to leverage their positions to get a few cheap gropes.

That’s your Democrat Party. That’s who we conservatives will face in 2018. Sadly, the only people stupid enough lose to these creeps are the ones running the GOP.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/11/20/lets-all-savor-the-democrats-pervgate-pain-n2411633

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 November 2017 at 06:26 PM

Should be more accurate…….

Screwing up or manufacturing the details is practically a requirement for todays modern news or radio spokeshole Punch! NBC setting GMC pickups on fire, Brian Williams lying about "….rounds coming into the airframe", Stephen Glass of "The New Republic" and local SacBee fabulist Diana Griego-Erwin just plain making shit up….sterling examples of ethical journalism!

A little latitude for us amateurs!

[fish]

Yeah Keach….."Libs admit".

ANOTHER woman accuses Franken of grabbing...

SILENCE OF THE DEMS...

WHISPERS: NO RESIGNATION, NO OUSTER CALLS COMING…

#seniledementia

[Robert Cross]

MY oh my.. them, fish sho is jumpin'

[Bill Tozer]

Fish. That was CBS and Ford Pickups. Could not get the trucks to catch fire and explode oon impact before the cameras, so they rigged an explosive devise on the evil Ford Pickups. Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On the Road Dead, or First On Race Day. Multiple choice, you decide.

Punchy, Punchy, Punchy.
The latest accuser NOT FUNNY Steward Smilley Franken is of import. He was sitting US Senator in 2010. No worries. This coming out of the closet thang is just a passing fad and then the Dems can get back to yelling and screaming that Trump wants to throw Mama from the train and grap her putang as she is pushed to her death.

I think there are matters of degrees we have barely touched on. Groping a co-worker vs groping a suborinate or captive audience. Felling her up vs putting your hand down here, or grabbing her hand and putting on your warty tool.

——-If Moore is lyiing, he should have copped to it and said instead, “Was a horn dog once, but since I met, fell in love with, and married the most wonderful beautiful woman in the world, all that behavior stopped. We raised a family, are crazy about our grandkids, and I am still madly in love with my wife.after all these many many years. She is the best thing that ever happened to me.”
If Roy is being slimed and innocent, he should scream to high heaven he is being framed and they are bearing false witness against him. Which he is doing. I dunno. I don’t have a say in Alabama.

Let’s cut the crap. The Dems are going to throw Bubba under the bus and say, “See, we went after Bill and Huma’s husband and Charlie Rose, the the NYT guy, Big Kahuna Weinstein, and all these people....so we are now justified to do what we really want to do, which is called Plan B.
Plan A was the Trump-Putin collision story, but that unravel and fizzled out. A dud. . Plan B is to tie Moore to Trump and go after Trump on the sexual assault story. Hype it 24/7, shout it from the mountain tops, have the town crier proclaim it at midnight in the town square.....that Trump, Donald J Trump, preys on women and now we can impeach him! Hip, hip, hooray.
Sure, some coming forward had some person of power, prestige, and fame chase them around the desk or toss them on the casting couch have nothing to do with Trump or politics. But politics will in time the Leftists (after a few Sacred Cows are sacrificed on the Lib Alter) zero in on Trump. They want Trump taken down. If Russian collusion won’t work, shocking sexual accusations will. We are just watching Plan B unfold during this perfect moment and accuser movement.

Last thing. At first I said within myself that Not Funny Franken grabbed a boob and that is a relatively minor offense compared to these other Hollywood and media stories. Maybe calling him to resign is over the top, the punishment too severe. But, then I have reconsidered. Franken is such a coward, he fondled a woman’s breasts while she was zonked out from exhaustion on a long plane ride home.
That’s chicken shit. Like molesting a mentality disabled woman or slipping her a mickey and have his way with her. The woman was asleep or passed out. Franken could not get a date, couldn’t get a girlfriend, could not find a woman who did not want to vomit at the though of Al shoving his tongue down their throat....so he waited until she was asleep to fondle her, like a friggin Necrophiliac. Sick. He never gave her a chance to slap him in , the face and reject him and push him away as so many others probably have done to Weird Al Yankhertits.

Georgie Porgie.....kissed the girls and made them cry. When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie Franken ran away.

[Don Bessee]

Punctuationally challenged @733 oh cross one. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

Bill writes " Monica was 19 when Bubba was sitting in church on Easter Sunday with the First Family when he abruptly left to have the chrome sucked off his trailer hitch bal in the Oral Office, leaving his teen daughter and First Lady to sit throug the sermon.

How was that possible Bill? She was born on July 23, 1973. Lewinsky stated that between November 1995 and March 1997, she had nine sexual encounters in the Oval Office with then-President Bill Clinton. Doing simple math that would make her 22 at the time not 19. Where did you get those numbers Bill ?

[Don Bessee]

Its good to see the po' ol' party parrot is sticking to the script @ 746. So it was only every other month with the intern and the married slick willy, well that makes it ok. You do leave the question on the table about who was filling in the other weeks!? ;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery if the age of consent in a state is 16 do you agree or not that the gal is legally able to have sex with whomever she wants?

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[Paul Emery]

Todd
What state are you talking about? In California it's 18. In the case of Roy Moore he was messing with 14 year olds, I don't believe any state supports that.

Here's the rule in Alabama

Age of consent is incredibly important in Alabama. An individual who is 19 years old or older has sexual contact with someone who is younger than 16 but older than 12 has committed sexual abuse.

[Walt]

It might be today Paul, but what was it back then? Just say'n.

[Paul Emery]

Are you implying Walt that it might have been OK for Roy Moore to feel up 14 year olds? What's the point in what you're saying ?

[Bill Tozer]

Yo Punchy, go ahead and take the moral high ground on this Ray Moore thang. I have not read a story about him to this hour. Boring. Go ahead, Express that justified moral outrage. Run with it. Meanwhile, that popping sound going off everywhere from every direction are not exploding heads. That is the cacophony of the chorus of multiple sexual assault victims popping up all over the place accusing liberal men. Geeze, it’s not a wave, it’s a friggin tsumani. It ain’t no landslide, it’s an avalanche. A big honking pulverizing juggernaut of accusers are pointing fingers at libs and boy are those women pissed. Way too many scandalous tales popping up to keep up with. Need 3 of me to just stay abreast of all these stories.

Go ahead, Punchy, express your outrage and take the moral high ground. Its what Tiggers do best. Just remember, you point one finger forward, you have three pointing back. (Go ahead, make a pistol out of your hand with the finger pointing forward and the thumb up.). See, three fingers pointing back. In this current climate, you got 91 fingers pointing back with just Dem Mega Bundler Weinstein, not to mention all the liberl victims in the publishing world, print media, art auction world, Senate, Major networks, and a whole bunch more. It’s everywhere you turn. It’s like history started today.

So, take a bow and enjoy the sweetness of victory. You got one, You finally caught one. Don’t know how you did it with all that noise of popping heads going off around you. But, you focused and you caught one. Let’s not talk about anything but that one R.

Now, Trump campaigned hard for Moore’s opponent, even flew down there for Luther Strange. The RNC stopped all money and support to Moore, the R’s dropped him like a hot potato, and no one, even Trump, is coming to his aid. He has withstood everything the Liberal Media industrial complex has carpetbombed him with...so far. And he is still standing. So, how are you going to tie Moore to Trump and then impeach Trump the man who can grab pussies at will and women spread their legs further apart. That’s your plan? Tie the two together? Your quiver is empty.

Relax, birthday boy. Ok, day after birthday boy. Moore is going to get creamed. Toast. No way can Moore ever ever win now. Not a chance. So, Punchy, relax. Victory is assured. Hmmmmm. They said the same thing about Trump. Just imagine if after all this, Moore actually shows his face in public and wins. Wouldn’t that be one heck of a surprise. Boy, they would really be rioting in the streets and smashing Starbucks windows and burning stuff if that happened.

Today I was trying to recall all the R’s that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. I pondered and remembered the Senator from Idaho who played footsie under his stall in the men’s room at a passenger airport. Forget his name, but he came straight to mind. He tried to Weather the storm, but the R’s ran him out in days. The Dems were all upset and expressed their aghast, justifiable anger, and expressed their moral outrage. As I was dwelling on the Senator (R) from the Great State of Idaho, it hit me. The Dems were all a Twitter because the Senator was a homosexual and trolling for homos. Off with his head, he was trolling men! The was even too much for the libs to handle. Those heros of the libs like Che and the whole lot of them really really hate gays. Just like what Franken said. He thought it was funny. Not funny Al. I just can’t relate to that kind of thinking.

[Don Bessee]

Who else noticed that the po' ol' fakenewsman has multiple avatars in sequence. How many noms de plume does the druid have? He does seem absent when certain trolls with the same avatars come out. Enquiring minds want to know KVMR dude? Here is a little more left wing bile stirring for the trolls. ;-) https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/wall-streets-stock-market-forecasters-agree-2018-will-great-113450224.html

[Gregory]

Age of consent is for sex, Paul, and he hasn't been accused by anyone that I'm aware of having intercourse OR Lewinskys with the 14 year old. It was also apparently one 14 year old, not multiple.

Moore didn't actually have sex with underage girls. Sorry. He may well have been a sick f**k and he may still be a sick f**k, but let's not let our imaginations run wild, shall we?

[Paul Emery]

My goodness Bill sure takes you a lot of words to say something.

[Bill Tozer]

Punchy @ 746 pm

Why, I got those numbers by pulling them straight out of your posterior. That’s where I got the them. Now you can tweet #Metoo. Figured you and My Gal are the only ones that are left out of the fun of the liberal male unwanted fingering and horn diddlings, so I took pity on you and now you can say “It happened to me, let’s talk about my pain.” Yep, that’s why I pulled those figures out of your vertical smile. Gotta think of the less fortunate. Now, My Gal presents a more difficult challenge. I ain’t touching her with a stolen ten foot Longfellow. Nobody will. She is the only one left out of the party. But she sure is talking non-stop about her pain. Go figure.
You can thank me later.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery you did not, as usual, answer the question I asked. You are ridiculous.

[Bill Tozer]

@9:52
Here you go Punchy. A picture is worth a thousands words. Fact is stranger than fiction.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1204490819684953/?type=3&theater

Must be a Lefty thing. Keep it in the family and roll your own.

[Bill Tozer]

I bet it’s those meddling Russians behind this. Has all the marks of Russia trying to divide us and meddle in our affairs....no pun intended. You can’t teach an old horn dog new tricks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/report-bill-clinton-facing-fresh-accusations-sexual-assault/

.

[Gregory]

http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/20/is-donald-trump-of-all-presidents-devolv

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453896/donald-trump-separation-powers-solid-job

Reason and a Cato adjunct scholar on how Trump is twitting loudly while whittling down the Presidential big stick.

[jon smith]

Question for our serial alduterer. Todd, can you think of any sexual abuse, harassment, or cringe worthy act more debasing than screwing someone behind your wife's back? All that butt pinching, porn watching, and unwanted advances have no moral counterpart to cheating on one's spouse. Not sure how you can act so lily white and be so obtuse as to point blame at others.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Whether it is legal or not what is your view on whether a 33 year old should have sex with a 16 year old.

[George Rebane]

Well, from the above it appears that we've pretty much settled it; RR commenters have no higher standards for clarity and resolution when discussing sexual improprieties than does the rest of the nation. The upside of all this is that we can all continue to feel the warm fuzzies of being in the mainstream.

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 21 November 2017 at 08:08 AM

I'm rather surprised that you expected different George!

Two responses….mine and the following Potter Stewart version.

Sexual harassment and inappropriate sexual advances are like porn, you know it when you see it.
Harassment is, in my mind, mostly verbal but could include leering, gestures, rubbing or pinching butts, etc. The example I am thinking of would be the stereotypical construction workers cat calls, whistles, sort of stuff.
Inappropriate sexual advances are where physical contact occurs in more of a foreplay mode, like forced kissing, or fondling, etc. in more of a private setting.

Posted by: Jaye Smith | 20 November 2017 at 03:58 PM

Did you check to see if there is an extant legal definition?

[Todd Juvinall]

jon smith | 21 November 2017 at 07:55 AM

So you are telling us you are an adulterer Jonnie? What a dirtbag.

Paul Emery | 21 November 2017 at 08:05 AM
Still you refuse to answer. Why?

[fish]

Posted by: jon smith | 21 November 2017 at 07:55 AM

Question for our serial alduterer. Todd, can you think of any sexual abuse, harassment, or cringe worthy act more debasing than screwing someone behind your wife's back? All that butt pinching, porn watching, and unwanted advances have no moral counterpart to cheating on one's spouse. Not sure how you can act so lily white and be so obtuse as to point blame at others.

Yeah Todd…..if you're going to do these things you oughta at least publicly come out as a progressive democrat and stop confusing poor "jon"!

[Gregory]

Paul,what 33 year old has been accused of "having sex" with a 16 year old?

Not Moore.

[Todd Juvinall]

Any man that forces himself on a woman is a harasser. Maybe Jonnie Smoth knows this from first-hand experience and some gals will be popping up? Of course, he is a troll and no one knows his real name or residence so we probably won't see him in the police blotter anytime soon.

Regarding age difference. In Muslim nations they have a strategy like some Mormons do. Get those girls married and pregnant at the age they become women. 14 is not unusual. In California, we say 18. Other states 16. We may not like that but is it is the law in that state my guess is there will always be people taking advantage of that law.

[Todd Juvinall]

That Firebrand Mark Levin may get a FoxNews show. Wow!

[Bill Tozer]

Body cams......be careful what which you insist for.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23740/remember-when-civil-rights-groups-wanted-police-hank-berrien?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Sure, Hispanics are welcome, it’s our thing.....but not your kind of Hispanic

https://patriotpost.us/articles/52494

[George Rebane]

"Any man that forces himself on a woman is a harasser." So that shifts the focus from 'harassment' to 'forcing'. What constitutes forcing?

(BTW, those who attended grade school know that the male of almost all species initiates procreation by making advances on the female that range from distant displays to outright forceful, yet tolerated/welcomed, rape. How different is H. sapiens supposed to be in this regard?)

[fish]

…..and he's gone!

CBS FIRES ROSE

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-rose-gets-no-pass-from-cbs-this-morning

[Walt]

How come I'm not surprised?? The guy that running against Moore ain't so Lilly white.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/21/child-sex-abuse-victim-calls-doug-jones-hypocrisy-jones-said-victims-claims-without-merit-cynical-attempt-extort-money/
"“I find it to be the height of hypocrisy that he sets his campaign to be on the moral high ground against Roy Moore,” Benefield said.

The case was settled, and according to Yurkanin, Benefield said she is unable to discuss the details of court proceedings given the settlement. However, she criticized Jones for his behavior during the mediation process.

“He was not a victim’s advocate,” Benefield said to AL.com. “He was all for blaming the victim, honestly.”

She goes on to call Jones “uncaring” and “calculated.” "

[ArchieBunker]

Posted by: George Rebane | 21 November 2017 at 09:23 AM

Gone are the good old drag them back to the cave days. Those were the days!

[Todd Juvinall]

More troills eh?

[Bill Tozer]

While talking about the rules for engagement when boy approaches girl, let’’s not forget actions that make a female uncomfortable nor forget the age of technology. Add to the list sexting (Carlos Danger) or watching porn on the company computer in a shared space (awkward for those in the same space or room.).

In the old days a man who exposed himself to women was called a flasher. No physical contact ever happened, but very inappropriate. Probably not sexual assault in the tradition meaning, but definitely sexual harassment. What’s up with all these liberal guys dropping their pants and either exposing themselves to females (who must be thinking, “OMG, I can’t believe this is happening”),to the more current liberal male favored display of exhibitionism....masterbating in front of women once they get unaware females behind a closed door. Again, not physical contact....

Then there are the complaints by the female Secret Service agent not particularly delighted with Joe Biden walking around buff ass naked as soon as he gets poolside or exits his bathhouse/changing room. Joe does not even bother to cover himself with a towel. Strutting around with his thing swinging and what can the agent do? Her job is to protect the man and that means keep an close eye on his movements. Very sad for whoever is stuck with the Biden detail when Shotgun Joe goes home.

According to the rules of engagement published by various universities several years ago, you have to ask first. May I kiss you? Yes or no? May I rub your shoulders? Yes or no. Seems to me it kind of takes away the spontaneity and passion out of the famous “first kiss.” Well,guess it is better safe than sorry. What does a guy say next? “May I touch your sweet maiden breasts? Yes or no.” Mother may I? So much for sweeping a woman off her feet and the heat of the moment.

I was reading an article about internet dating once. Guess everybody lies, taking liberities to make their profiles more appealing to the opposite sex. Full figured may mean one thing to me, another may say “full figured” are not the words one for would use to capture the true essence of that description. Point is both sexes put their best foot forward when wanting to be noticed by members of the opposite sex (same with homosexuals seeking same), but I digress. The article contained a link to a dating site.

Some have gone to extreme lengths to get noticed when attracted to another. The ads used as an example in the article talked about “I love the outdoors, riding bicycles on a sunny day, find solace in moonlight walks on the beach, reading a good book and snuggling up before a warm fire, holding hands with a partner, neither talking, just relishing being with each other in silence.....blah, blah, blah. Guess that was how the author of the article saw perfect internet dating. Then I clicked the link and noticed one man seeking woman ad. It’s said:
“Do you like moonlight walks on the beach,? Camping by a creek in the Redwood forests and sipping good wine before the glow of the fireplace in a mountain cottage? Then don’t call me. It you want to get down, let’s hook up.” Hmmm.
Don’t think anyone could misinterpret that man’s signals, especially those who responded favorablely to his ad.
Boy meets girl is complicated enough. No means no or no means not yet. Or no means maybe later, or no mean yes. I am just a dummie on such matters.

So, what are the rules of engagement in 2017?.. Drag her by her hair into the cave is not how we do things anymore. Plus, misreading signals may lead to disasterous assumptions and punitive consequences.

Bottomline: I have nothing to offer. More than once I was a gentleman, walking her to the door and all that stuff, only to find out later that the date thought I was not interested in her because I did not make a move on her on the first date. In fact, being a complete gentleman and showing the date respect was interpreted as a rejection of her by her. And rejected people sometimes get angry. So, got an
woman angry at me, feeling bad about herself when we said our goodbyes for the evening and I was left wondering what I did or said that very pleasant evening to have it end on a sour note. It was what I did NOT say or do was the problem, lol. Seems women nowadays are much more forward than they once were, but I never have been able to figure it out. I do know what consensual means. It means she makes the first move.

[Paul Emery]

Todd asks

"

"Paul Emery if the age of consent in a state is 16 do you agree or not that the gal is legally able to have sex with whomever she wants?"

My response

Sure Todd, if that's the law so be it. I think the age should be 18. What's your view on that.

[Todd Juvinall]

What is lost in all this hysteria about boys being aggressive is what about those aggressive gals? I have met numerous ones that were what we call "gold diggers" and it is not unusual. However, the males that get put upon by an aggressive gal react the opposite way. They tell those stories in the locker room and get pats on the back for being macho. Women react the other way if they are not interested. (men are always interested) But the bottom line to all this is "Human nature". Men like women and women like men. And both have their ways of achieving a "coupling".

[George Rebane]

BillT 1235pm - A good and careful analysis Mr Tozer, but no cigar on any operational definitions. I will soon do one of my own, and will look forward to your comment as always.

[fish]

See I'm not a total monster……sometimes I bring the olive branch!

https://apologygenerator.com/

Run progressives, run Green Libertarians™……run to you leaders, your donors! Give them the gift of contrition!

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 21 November 2017 at 12:55 PM

Amazing, an actual reply. My view is there are laws allowing many things or disallowing many things and they are there for a reason. Follow the the law and you are safe.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

I think the age should be 18. What's your view on that subject.

[Walt]

Welcome to the world of contracts.
When your kids head out the door on a date, or just to "hang",,
better have the take a contact of consent in their wallet, right next to the rubber. Of course. Better pin a black ink pen to their jockeys as well.. Can't forget that either.( Uh,, you have something to sign this with????)

[Walt]

Now come on Paul,, I think you need to poll the high school.
They already think they know it all, and wise to the ways of the world.

[Paul Emery]

What is your view Walt about whether the age of legal consent should be 18?

[ArchieBunker]

I figure that if a woman in a bar looks at me for the count of one one-thousand it's game on, no holds barred party time!

[Robert Cross]

"(BTW, those who attended grade school know that the male of almost all species initiates procreation by making advances on the female that range from distant displays to outright forceful, yet tolerated/welcomed, rape. How different is H. sapiens supposed to be in this regard?)"

Anybody who thinks women "tolerate/welcome rape" probably stopped their learning and mental development in grade school. The recent spate of women coming out with sexual encounter stories is testimony to disgust not toleration or welcoming by any stretch of a rational mind. Your statement seems to subtly suggest the "boys will be boys" mentality toward sexual assault is somehow acceptable in a modern society because, well boys will be boys... It's in the genes and hormones. It is not. Unless you are the president... then it's OK as long as you belong to the same political party as the perpetrator.

[fish]

Posted by: Robert Cross | 21 November 2017 at 02:44 PM

…..then it's OK as long as you belong to the same political party as the perpetrator.

….and finally acceptance…..of the fact that you voted for Bill Clinton twice!

[Walt]

Like I said Paul, poll a high school. HELL! LIBS want to give those UNDER 18 the right to vote.

Besides. you didn't say a word about just what the age of consent was "back in the day" where Moore in concerned. Did you even bother to look?

My Great Grand parents were hitched at the grand old age of 15
(mid 1800s)

[Todd Juvinall]

Age of consent is decided by law. SO I will follow thw the law. I personally am attracted to women closer to my age. Paul Emery have you ever had a date?

[Todd Juvinall]

And I have been subjected to women chasing me Paul. Ever had that?

[Paul Emery]

Did you look Walt? Check it out if it's important to you.

Todd

I've never had to subscribe to dating services like you have. I know from one of your match ups that only lasted one date. She said to me "Do you know this guy Todd Juvinall? "

I refuse to print the rest of our conversation.

[Todd Juvinall]

Yeah she was a psychotherapist and one dingy person. She and you are tight. Good, you both need it. You should know what she said about you. I can't print it either.

So it appears you have never dated a woman. What does that mean Paul Emery?

[Robert Cross]

Yes little fishy... I did vote for Clinton twice.. both times before the Lewinski affair became public in 1998... Unlike you and yours who voted for Trump knowing he was an abuser and pervert.... oh, excusel me....I forgot.... all 14 of those women are liars...Besides when the whole thing was over Clinton's approval rating went up, unlike the perpetual downslide of Trumpy.

[Todd Juvinall]

And she was not above having me buy her dinner. LOL! Turns out she is quite a liberal like you and we had little in common.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

If you're such a sexy hulk as you describe yourself why did you have to subscribe to a dating service?