Texas Massacre and Gun Control (updated 11nov17)

George Rebane

When some dysfunction or disaster occurs in our land, first look to government as the cause or guilty party until proven innocent.

In various forms this aphorism has been a Rebane Doctrine tenet in these pages and the recent Texas killings by a deranged military outcast is again the latest case in point.  The killer bought his semi-auto rifle and fifteen 30-round magazines very recently as he was planning the murder and mayhem within which he intended to shoot his in-laws.  Had the Air Force followed regulations in a timely manner, and placed his name in the national database intended to stop such people from arming themselves, he would not have had the firepower to kill 26 and wound 20 more in the brief interval of time it took.

After the attack was in progress it required the heroic actions of a neighbor to quickly take his own rifle, put himself in harm’s way, wound the killer, and bring an end to the carnage, thereby saving untold additional lives among worshiping congregants.  As is often the case, it was fortunate that a legally armed neighbor was there when seconds counted and the police were minutes away.  After being hit twice by the NRA-trained civilian, the killer fled only to be pursued until he crashed and took his own life, thereby ending the rampage.

The Left’s gun confiscatory cohorts predictably rolled into action across the land, again prescribing additional laws constructively rolling back the Second Amendment, laws that would only limit the legal possession and use of guns.  The actions of the armed neighbor are of the kind replicated in uncounted occasions daily during which legal guns prevent murder, mayhem, and lesser crimes, often before the acts are even attempted.  And this also in countless and unreported times where the perpetrator is deterred by the strong likelihood that he will be confronted by a legally armed citizen – intended victim or bystander.

While the news media (most certainly its lamestream component) overlooks or purposely ignores these occurrences, the NRA documents some of these in their monthly American Rifleman column titled ‘The Armed Citizen’.  For an additional commentary on this tragic incident that addresses the above, please read ‘A Plumber With a Rifle’.

[11nov17 update] ... and had the existing gun laws been enforced, the 'Current Gun Laws Should Have Made it Impossible for Texas to Buy Gun'.  Such considerations make no impact on those whose agenda includes a disarmed America, and can also serve as a litmus test for reliably identifying gun banners.

Comments

[Gregory]

The news today is the Texas shooter had escaped from a New Mexican psychiatric facility (loony bin in the vernacular) in '12:
From the WaPo

The gunman who opened fire in a church outside San Antonio, killing at least 26 people, escaped from a mental health facility in 2012 after he was caught sneaking guns onto an Air Force base and “attempting to carry out death threats” made against military superiors, according to a police report

Looks like Trump was right, it's a mental health story, not a gun story. Or should be.

[Don Bessee]

This guy fit the profile to a t. He abused animals, he gave a toddler a skull fracture and beat his wife. Spent a year in the AF brig then was put in a mental hospital. The AF screwed up by not listing him as a felon which allowed him to pass the national background check. The secty. of the AF said they have already initiated a review of in service felony convictions to ensure they were all reported properly.

God bless the good guys who shot and chased him into that field where he finished himself off after tell his dad he was shot and was not going to make it.

[Bonnie McGuire]

Whenever another shooter pops up I check on whether there is a history of being prescribed pschyc drugs. Usually they're connected. Devin Kelly's classmate told Fox News that Kelley had a history of mental illness, and had been on psychiatric medication for a period. “His parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade, the time I knew him,” said the student, who only wished to be identified as Reid. He added that Kelley’s aggressive posts about atheism caused many of his former classmates to stop talking to, or unfriend, him. Another classmate who spoke to Fox News and wished to remain anonymous described Kelley as a quiet student, though he had his share of friends. “He recently added me on [Facebook]. I accepted hence we went to school together, and any time I saw him on my timeline he was sharing stuff about guns and being Atheist,” she said. “He was pretty negative. The last post I remember was of a rifle."
Kelley abused his Christian wife who left him...and his uncontrollable emotions probably motivated him to blame and go after what he regarded as the cause of his misery. It's too bad someone in church wasn't carrying a concealed weapon. It's getting like the ol' Wild West where outlaws were everywhere. As always it's a moral problem in an unhappy society addicted to alcohol and drugs to subdue the mental pain. There'll never be enough policemen available to save us from those like Devin Kelly. It's nice to know that there might be someone nearby who has a gun to protect us. Nature's way of survival of the fittest...

[Todd Juvinall]

That government that wants to protect us did a crappy job with this shooter. He escaped or walked out of a mental health facility and that was not reported just like the Air Force thing. Both would have kept him from purchasing a gun from legal means. But my guess is he could have obtained one anyway. Maybe from a Fast and Furious supplier.

[Walt]

Yet in the mean time Gov. Moonbat keeps decriminalizing gun offences. A stolen gun is no longer a felony.(if it's under 800 or so bucks in value.) The same goes for using a gun in a crime. Not as much time as it used to be.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/01/california-eases-up-on-gun-crimes-while-restricting-gun-rights/

http://ktla.com/2017/10/11/gov-brown-signs-law-giving-judges-discretion-over-lengthening-prison-sentences-in-gun-crimes/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/12/california-deputys-murder-blamed-on-gov-brown-backed-prison-reform.html

Where is are yapping Lefty ankle bitters on these????

[jon smith]

GR??? "Had the Air Force followed regulations in a timely manner, and placed his name in the national database intended to stop such people from arming themselves, he would not have had the firepower to kill 26 and wound 20 more in the brief interval of time it took."

Sounds as if you are a gun control advocate. This very database and POS background check has been fought tooth and nail by the NRA, yet you blame the lack of proper implementation of the database on a mass casualty incident. How many MCI's have been averted by the proper use of background checks?

[fish]

Posted by: jon smith | 07 November 2017 at 03:21 PM

This very database and POS background check has been fought tooth and nail by the NRA, yet you blame the lack of proper implementation of the database on a mass casualty incident.

I don't know where you have been for the past 25 or so years but the NICS database has been in place and accepted (for the most part) by US gun owners and the NRA during that time. Air Force has already admitted their error in the matter.

Next time you are in Russia earning those Kopecks you might want to stay away from the back alley distilleries!

Mess with your head man!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System

[Todd Juvinall]

Jon Smith and Bunnyboy, guess what? There has never been a mass shooting by a NRA member in America. Now go to your room and flagellate.

[fish]

flagellate.......?

Don't remember ever doing that as a teen!

[Todd Juvinall]

It means flog yourself. LOL! With a switch.

[Account Deleted]

Have no idea where JS got his idea that the NRA was against certain folks not being able to legally obtain a firearm.
It might have been from this little bit of mischief -
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/6/1713254/-The-2nd-Amendment-Isn-t-Stopping-Us-We-Are
Worth a read to see how twisted left wing thinking is. Starts off by the usual reasoning that we can limit our rights since we can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. But that is not a limit on our right to free speech. This is what the 1st A actually says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Free speech pertains to being able to openly and freely discuss issues and criticize other people and ideas. Yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater is not free speech. That is not a limit on our rights as the 1st A clearly states 'Congress shall make no law...'. We do not and shall not 'limit' our rights.
The article then pivots to the 2nd A and points out that we don't allow felons to legally obtain firearms. Again - this is not a limit on my rights. If I become a felon, I have forfeited a lot of my rights including possibly my freedom, my ability to vote and my right to possess and bear a firearm.
The article clearly wants to get people indoctrinated to the idea that the govt can legally limit our Constitutional rights wholesale at their whim.
The Constitution states quite clearly to the contrary.
The rest of the article is a mess of lies, nonsense and blather. The clear target of the article is not so much firearms, but the NRA. While trying to assure the reader that no one wants to take away any guns (a lie) or limit our 2nd A rights (more lies) the author asserts: "Finally, it's long past time that we deny the NRA the power to dictate gun policy in the United States."
Obviously the NRA has no such power, so what exactly are we supposed to 'do' with the NRA? It's never stated, but you can be sure it's something that despots and dictators the world over would do in a heartbeat. The NRA is a gun safety group that also helps to safeguard our Constitutional rights. Makes you wonder what kind of person would be against them.

[George Rebane]

jons 321pm - Mr smith, as the commenters above have explained to you in detail, you are again mistaken. Apparently you have not understood much of what the NRA has been promoting. If your ideological cohorts are similarly afflicted, then that explains the almost insane opposition that all of you have against the reasonable gun control measures the NRA supports which maintain our Second Amendment rights. Perhaps a little more attention and a short volume on critical thinking would set the matter right.

[Todd Juvinall]

Here is a screed by "jon smith" on the Pelline blog. This gut is truly a looney tune.

"Over on Mr Rebane’s page they are doing somersaults trying to paint the NRA as a pro gun safety lobby. The troglodyte Todd Juvenal somehow defends the NRA by stating that none of the recent mass murderers were NRA members! This is following George’s admission that if the Texas gunman hadn’t slipped pass his background check he wouldn’t have been allowed to purchase the guns he used in the church slaughter. Some level of gun control does work as intended. I’ll be the first to admit however, that many of the regulations such as prohibition against pistol grips, folding stocks and long gun suppressors are nothing more than feel good measures and would have little if anything effect on gun violence."

[fish]

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 08 November 2017 at 09:47 AM

Over on Mr Rebane’s page they are doing somersaults trying to paint the NRA as a pro gun safety lobby.

No. I don't believe that any of the regulars here did somersaults to try and convince the hot polo that the NRA was primarily a gun safety organization but the NRA lives rent free in "jons" head so you really couldn't have expected him to say anything else!

"jon" claimed; "This very database and POS background check has been fought tooth and nail by the NRA, yet you blame the lack of proper implementation of the database on a mass casualty incident.". Showing that he really had no clue that there was a background check system in place.

He's right though, the NRA fought its implementation at the time……nevertheless, it is in force and both sides have learned to live with it.

C'mon Todd….you didn't think that a little thing like facts were going to stop a full blown, pearl clutching hissy fit by one of your local progressive stalwarts?

[fish]

"hot polo"…..??

Jeez typepad autocorrect is stupid……"hoi polloi"

(The second time it tried to change it to "hot polio" which made me laugh)

[Account Deleted]

"Over on Mr Rebane’s page they are doing somersaults trying to paint the NRA as a pro gun safety lobby."
Somersaults?
Just stating the facts. The NRA has for decades trained millions of people in the safe use and handling of fire arms.
And they have always been an effective lobbying force to help uphold our Constitutional rights.
You'll notice the author provides no evidence to the contrary, but of course since it comes from a leftist it all boils down to how he 'feels'.
And a big shout out to Loony Lieu for showing how he feels about whites being murdered in a church. During a moment of silence for the victims, he walks out.
Can you imagine if a Rep did that during a moment of silence for black victims?
Lieu thinks it should be all about him and his plan to ban 'assault rifles'.
No details, of course. Just make sure the spotlight is on him.

[fish]

Oh Walt……click on the link and laugh yourself silly at the USAToday!

https://twitter.com/usatoday/status/928343873000054784

[Walt]

W,,T,,F,,???? I see SO many people making fun of USA Today..
Yes.. "we" saw it.
Someone even posted the Bunbun attachment.

[Account Deleted]

Chainsaw bayonet? Aren't chainsaws illegal?
I'll bet he used that red dot sight quite a lot since he was shooting people at point blank range. And a flashlight!!! Gasp. Can't we ban them?

[Walt]

A gun saves another daughter. Too bad he didn't send one or two to the morgue.
http://nypost.com/2017/11/09/hero-dad-stops-attempted-kidnapping-of-daughter-police/

News anti gun folk hate.

[Bill Tozer]

We need more laws! How about a new law that says government must follow the law, on top of the other laws that government must follow the law.

For those who cry out for “Do something! Stop the violence, stop the killings, stop the crazies”, the Texas little church shooting is not the best example to rally around. Murder has been illegal all my life, as well as my father’s life, his father’s life, and his father’s life, as well as their ancestors’ lives.
With that said, I have a niece that volunteered to work at an orphanage in Monrovia, Liberia. Rape is not a punishable crime there in practice, so the volunteers from Europe, Asia, and America hired big strong heavily armed black “security” men donning Sam Browne belts, complete with a nice machine gun mounted on a pickup to keep them from getting raped while in transit for materials (brick and mortar).
Liberia sounds a lot like Liberal Hollywood, but I digress and will focus on crazies murdering crying infants in the loving arms of their mothers at point blank range....and gun control. More laws would have stopped the senseless murder.....righttttt.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/52274

Interesting to note that among the official count of the massacred sitting in pews, an unborn child was counted as one of the victims among the death toll. Just wish we heard the same outcry as when that crazy liberal shot Congressmen at a practice game of hardball. Go figure. Guess the ballfield in Liberia, DC, does not rise to the level of “Stop the killings and blame the NRA!”

[jon smith]

Must wonder when an unborn child is considered a human rather than a fetus? Can one murder a blastocyst?

[Walt]

I see "jon" hasn't kept up with laws on that subject.

[George Rebane]

jons 125pm - "In human development, a fetus or foetus (/ˈfiːtəs/; plural fetuses or foetuses) is a prenatal human between the embryonic state and birth. The fetal stage of development tends to be taken as beginning at the gestational age of eleven weeks, i.e. nine weeks after fertilization."

[Bill Tozer]

jon smith @ 1:25 pm.

Don’t know. Best to ask Scott Peterson who is rotting in jail in California for double homicide. First degree murder for killing his wife Lacy and 2nd degree murder for killing the unborn child in Lacy’s womb. Must be a legal thing.

Fun facts: Name one English term commonly used everyday that has reverted back to its Latin name. I can, I can! The word fetus. Fetus is Latin for “unborn child”. See, to say you are going to terminate the life of an unborn child sounds rather brutal and not to be discussed in polite company. But, if you call an unborn child by its Latin word “fetus”, why then you are just talking about a blob of cells with a heartbeat and fingers. Ain’t a unborn child, ain’t nothing but a gooey mess floating like a little astronaut in a woman’s womb. Now, that Latin word fetus is A-OK to discuss in polite company, like shooting the breeze about some science experiment.

What the Scott Peterson double murder conviction meant in legal terms for Lacy and her unborn child named Connor Peterson is that by killing Lacy, Scott murdered two individuals.
Ah, it’s just a blob of cells....with a 50% chance of having a penis inside a woman’s body. Guess women grow penises inside their bodies or grow another vagina as well.

Thus, until the libs catch wind of it, that blob on cells inside the womb of a pregnant woman murdered while sitting in a little Texas church is also counted among the dead. Wonder what his or her name is....was.