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17 January 2018


Don Bessee

Its not just the colleges and industrial technology theft-




re: The OP.

I ran into that a while ago but didn't think much of it. I can't say that it's much different than the exporting of pro-US media and education programs over the entire post-war period.

Getting down to the nitty-gritty, I wonder if those Chinese programs have been designed to weaken the West somehow, or just to promote Chinese values and language? If the latter, what should the Green Libertarians make of exporting the model of a highly nationalistic ethnostate?


Posted by: Scenes | 17 January 2018 at 12:52 PM

If the latter, what should the Green Libertarians make of exporting the model of a highly nationalistic ethnostate?

I'm sure that on the progressive scorecard ethnic Pokemon points negate their Chinese nationalistic impulses!

Paul Emery

What freedom of curriculum do you support for Charter School? Should that be left up to the parents whose children are in the Charters?

George Rebane

PaulE 130pm - Charter schools are also staffed by professional educators. These should be sensitive to any ideological preponderance of their students' parents when designing cultural curricula (e.g. history, civics, literature, ...). In the more 'objective subjects' such as in STEM education, they should devise curricula that gives their students skills that enable them to have the most choices in continuing education and/or careers, given the academic preparation and intellectual measures of their student body.

Paul Emery

What if the parents desire something different such as a Waldorf influenced curriculum or a spiritual directed influence. Should the parents have the ability to influence the Charter in that way under the umbrella of public education?

Robert Cross

One would think that since China is now a major trading partner, and soon to be the global economic leader (especially in alternative energy while the US drowns in good old boys making a lot of bucks with no future fossil fuel) learning the language and culture would be wise especially in the business world. When Japan became important to American commerce and corporations began doing business with the Japanese the early cultural blunders led to the "ugly American" effect and did significant damage to early business relationships.. Shortly thereafter Japanese became the language and cultural studies subjects de jour in colleges, especially for business majors. Nothing new here just a new player.

Painting this as some form of commie plot (as suggested by the common associations related to the word "indoctrination") is beyond naive and paranoid. China is no longer a communist state. It more resembles the hybrid nordic model of part socialism part capitalism.

Global capitalism is creating world market places where the same goods appear all over. Multi-culturalism and racial homogenization are the direct result of global marketing. People see other cultures and adopt aspects of them. Mostly this is a west to east movement as western consumerism and products are being sold and adopted globally as standards of living rise in the third world. Most of these goods are manufactured in China.

George Rebane

PaulE 205pm - consistent with my 141pm, yes, if the constitute a significant majority of the students attending.

RobertC 209pm - "(China) more resembles the hybrid nordic model of part socialism part capitalism." That is such an ignorant assessment that it leaves me gasping for air. Is that what they are teaching you on MSNBC and CNN?

Paul Emery


I agree with you on this.


My son got less Catholicism at Mount St. Mary's Academy than a Yuba River Charter kid would get Steiner's anthroposoporrifics embedded into the curriculum. YRCS, one of the worst schools in California by the STAR/API testing, is getting rewarded for its mediocrity with a brand new physical site costing a ton o money with anthroposopothy designed into the classrooms.

So, should the money follow the student to whatever school they attend? Four years after my kid left MSM, his class in primary school was overrepresented among the kids with above 4.0 GPAs all of whom are called valedictorians, a very strange practice relegating the kid with a 3.99 the class salutatorian as a cruel booby prize.

I wonder... how are kids from Yuba River Charter doing in their classes at NUHS... no, don't bother answering with anecdotes, Paul. Public data.

Paul Emery

Why not contact Yuba Charter Gregory. they have the data and would be willing to share it. I haven't been directly involved with the school for 10 years.


Note to Paul. They don't listen.(or really give a crap)
I sent one of mine there years ago. I see outcome based education is still alive and well.


They have the data of student GPA's four years after graduation? I don't think so, Paul. They have the same anecdotes you've shared here.

There's also the problem of their cherrypicking of students with accomplished parents, at least on paper. Income and education. So if they produce graduates that are 6th decile accomplishment, if they started with 10th decile expectation kids, they're holding their students back.

That's the sort of data that is needed... the STAR results, the Academic Performance Index, the 100 Similar Schools list. It doesn't exist past about 2013.

Paul Emery

You should contact the school Gregory. I haven't had close associations with them for 10 years. Most of the kids I knew breezed through NU many in two years.


George R 216pm

To be specific to the Yuba River Charter and the Grass Valley Charter schools, neither disclose to parents their piss poor past performance in math, possibly killing the chances for their students to hit the ground running at a University of California in a math-based curriculum, from math, physics, chemistry and engineering. Assuming they even get into a good school.

I think a better way to ask the question is "should tax money be given to schools that do NOT provide an curriculum demonstrated to lead to grade level competence in mathematics by the end of the 8th grade (12th grade for high schools)?"


Seems Gregory and myself have first hand knowledge Paul.
My kid was there 10 or so years ago. It sucked then.
So "we" lived it. Did you have skin in the game? Or just a salesman for the joint?

George Rebane

Gregory 336pm - I think you're having this conversation with PaulE. My 216pm was an answer to his question.

Paul Emery

Family involved yes, my Stepson.

Paul Emery

Looks like you're asking for more regulations Gregory. Hmmm

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