Separating kids from parents

George Rebane

Now that the just released IG report about Russian collusion and Hillary’s emails took the wind out of Democrats’ sail, their next bag of hot air is blowing across the land from a timely pivot to blaming the Trump administration for separating illegal alien kids snuck over the border by their illegal alien parents who are now criminals according to longstanding US law.

When you are caught sneaking across our border with your kid(s), you are not an “immigrant” – now no longer adorned even by the politically permuting adjectives ‘illegal’ or ‘undocumented’.  You are simply an apprehended illegal alien fugitive.  That you broke our laws does not entitle you to an automatic smorgasbord of benefits and special treatment.

Having your offspring in tow does not suddenly make you exempt from the laws that prescribe how our native criminal parents are dealt with when they are taken into custody.  We don’t put their children in jail with them, and we don’t give adults a ‘get out of jail free’ card just because they have children.  What we do is take their kids and put them into appropriate foster care until their parents’ legal situation is resolved according applicable laws.  On any given day there are almost a half million children in foster care across America, and the turnover in that population is high.  Here is a summary of data on that from the Dept of HHS, ‘The AFCARS Report’.

Today, as part and parcel of the spread of national dumbth, progressives (and even some light thinking conservatives) are hyperventilating about Trump having invented a new policy for ripping children from the loving arms of parents who really did nothing wrong other than leave their shithole country, illegally transit other benign countries, and sneak across our border to live the American dream.  All they want is asylum, jobs and/or US govt checks, and amnesty.  What’s so bad with that?

The details of the applicable laws, the history of their enforcement, and the current situation is more complex than can be explained to attention-deficit audiences with other things on their minds.  All that they need to hear from lamestream outlets is that Trump is “cruel and immoral” and doing something never done before to jailed people, be they American citizens or illegal aliens.  Such reporting should keep the leftwing’s 'Resist Trump' pot boiling.

For a more measured and complete analysis of what’s really going on here, I recommend reading Rich Lowry’s ‘The Truth About Separating Kid’.

Comments

[Paul Emery]

Must be ok to seperate 8 month old children from their parents because, according to AG Sessions the bible told me so

"Addressing law enforcement officers in Fort Wayne, Ind., yesterday, Sessions defended the controversial policy.

“I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes,” Sessions said. “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent and fair application of the law is in itself a good and moral thing, and that protects the weak and protects the lawful.”

Trumps law is Gods law. Hmmm How about adultry, banging a Porn Star while the wife is home with a baby in the bath?

https://yubanet.com/usa/americans-united-criticizes-attorney-general-for-use-of-bible-passage-to-defend-border-detention-policies/

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2018 at 12:21 PM

Are you trying to say that Trump is a sinner?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1221pm - Is this really the best you can do to contribute to understanding and/or resolving this issue? Really?

[Paul Emery]

George

Responding directly to the comments of our Attorney General on the issue. What can be more direct than that? Are you saying his opinion is not relevant? Your beef should be with him.

Yes, I do admit to adding a snark about our Liar in Chief at the end.

[Paul Emery]

Fish

I would say so by Christian standards. To be continued on the Sandbox.

[Don Bessee]

Just more of the dems trying to change the subject in the face of the DOJ IG testimony today with fakenews.

However, the photo of the young boy was actually taken on June 10, 2018 at an event protesting the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy. The boy is not a detainee. The protest featured signs reading: "If you were separated from your child, what would you do?" and "Hey Trump, what if it were your grandchildren in those dog cages? What would you do then?"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/18/viral-photo-toddler-crying-miscaptioned-not-ice-custody/710396002/

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

This is a major issue and mess Trump inherited. It’s not a matter of blame, its all about pulling our collective asses out of the mud pit and fixing this huge problem.
Solution is to cross at a legal point of entry. Don’t blame us for the sins of parents with kids on hip and in tow sneaking into the US like thieves in the night. Its on the parents. Kindly use the front door. Please. We are begging you.

From 2014: problems have just got worse.

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/ms13-prostitution-rings-in-united-states/

2016, NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/politics/us-placed-immigrant-children-with-traffickers-report-says.html

2017: worse. 2018, worsening. When or how can we get a handle on this illegal aliens with kids monster of a problem? Remember, it took just one pic of a little Syrian lifeless boy to wash up on the rocks of Greece to lose an entire continent.

[Don Bessee]

Worsening -

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/06/18/rescued-migrant-woman-was-not-mother-of-children-she-brought-across-border/

;-)

[George Rebane]

PaulE 216pm - You 1221pm criticism of Sessions is either nonsense or not complete - what of the AG's statement are claiming is wrong, improper, or unlawful? On what basis do you bring 'relevancy' into the discussion, especially implying that my 136pm had anything to do with relevancy - you conversation seems to be all over the place instead of addressing the issue of how we should handle the kids of the illegal aliens we interdict within our borders. That seems to be a bit of a problem that you and yours don't want to address - so reverting to irrelevant snark it the answer. Do you really think RR readers are so dense as not to recognize your deficit, and think that your comebacks are really clever?

And in a reciprocal vein, why are you not addressing the fake news that the lamestream continues to spout (e.g. the 237pm, 239pm, 244pm above)? The illegal kids problem is real, what better solution do we at the grassroots level have than the one we are applying to our own incarcerated adults?

[George Boardman]

If this is such a terrific policy, why does Trump keep running away from it, blaming "obstructionist" Democrats when Republicans have control of Congress?

Just what I expect from a draft-dodging blowhard who loves to bully people but blames somebody else when he's being held accountable.

[Don Bessee]

Looks like boredgeorgeman needs a civics lesson with a focus on the Senate and the need for 60 votes @325. ;-)

[Paul Emery]

So George, are you are saying that Sessions comments are irrelevant and should not be part of the discussion? He is the Attorney General and his Christian justification of the separation of children was meant to be part of the discussion. Are we to ignore his opinion in this matter?

[Paul Emery]

George

What is your speculation as to why Sessions had to present a biblical justification for the action of separating children from their parents in this situation?

[Don Bessee]

And the beat goes on -

Solicitor General Noel Francisco asked the nation’s highest court for a partial stay on an earlier court order that blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold public safety grants from so-called sanctuary cities. While the exact specifications can vary, sanctuary city policies overall limit how much local law enforcement officials can comply with federal immigration authorities.
The Justice Department is asking the Supreme Court to limit that injunction just to Chicago, instead of the blanket nationwide ban, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. In the emergency request, Francisco said the injunction “reflects the increasingly prevalent trend of entering categorical, absent-party injunctions that bar any enforcement of federal laws or policies against any person.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/justice-department-asks-supreme-court-for-help-with-sanctuary-cities-injunction.html

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Now we are on to “what is your speculation? ” ROFLMAO. George, speculate! Georgeeeeeeee, please speculate why, why, why,. Sweet. That is worth a screen shot and a meme.

[Todd Juvinall]

George Boardman | 18 June 2018 at 03:25 PM

Seriously? You are the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks. We see why no one in the country, left or right, believes anything you lazy ass "journalists" report. I listened to the presser today and Neilson and Sanders kicked the idiot press's asses with the truth. And you, just like your bros and sisters in the fake news media made it clear no homework done here. You should be ashamed but alas, you just name call the President. What a transparent "reporter" you both are. Thanks, it really helps our side with the truth.

[George Boardman]

Re Bessee at 3:42:

Nice try, Donnie. Stephen Miller urged Trump to implement the policy in the early days of the administration but Trump backed off until recently. He can back off again any time he want to.

[Bill Tozer]

But, he just came here to better his life.

“Police say Cerda—who only speaks Spanish—was driving a blue Honda Odyssey minivan when he hit Justin, who was riding his bike to a friend’s house. Cerda was driving on the wrong side of the road at the time and immediately drove off from the scene of the crash, according to police and eyewitnesses.

Justin was left in a ditch and later died in a nearby hospital.”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/17/illegal-alien-from-mexico-charged-killing-14-year-old-boy-riding-his-bike/

Boy, this one gives Chucky and Cory and Jerry and Boardman a big ole woody after all these years.

http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/most-wanted/woman-dies-after-being-pushed-out-of-speeding-suv-by-previously-deported-illegal-alien/

That was too funny. There is a lot more where that came from. And the hits just keep on coming.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/17/merican-father-fights-justice-son-killed-illegal-alien/

Oh, how sweet. So caring, so loving, so Frisco Values

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1339418522858848/?type=3&theater

Love how the progressives got their priorities in line. The IG is trying and doing the best he can, but he has yet to find anyone from the prior administration with ties to America.

https://www.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343.55586.217926015008110/1339457866188247/?type=3&theater

[Don Bessee]

Its only bad when we do its but all ok when it was team 0 -

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/18/photos-obama-used-same-so-called-cages-to-detain-child-border-crossers/

;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Anyone ever wonder why the democrats never have any solutions to anything? They have a screw loose that keeps them from utilizing the thought process. Take Boardman here. Any recommendations on the issue? Nope, just namecalling Trump. That seems to be their schtick. Never solving anything as it can then be mischaracterized as a Republican problem that they can use their sycophant fake news people to spread.

My solution is to keep the family together, detain them for up to two days, and if denied entry, have a bus ready to take them back.

Turns out the MS-13 thugs have tried to use the little munchkins as a way to get in. And now we see the lies of the left about "cages". Simply chain link dividers. My goodness the left is corrupt and worthless.

[Paul Emery]

Thanks for your enthusiastic support for my rhetoric Bill -

re 4:20

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2018 at 03:53 PM

Are you saying that you’re employing two part questions now Punch?

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2018 at 04:48 PM

Are you saying that Bill enthusiastically supported your rhetoric in an earlier post?

[Paul Emery]

Yes. I appreciate his support

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 18 June 2018 at 04:58 PM

Are you trying to say that you appreciate his support?

[Bill Tozer]

Right now, a illegal immigrant national hiding behind some kid they picked up at the landfill from another country while coming to bust into America without permission, our knowledge, or even welcoming them can take up to 7 years to kick their sorry lying sneaky asses out of here. That is a de facto amnesty.

It might cost a wee bit of money, but IKE’s policy was never to bus them to the border. It was to fly them back to their native country (or Mexico City for the Mexican Border jumpers). That kept some of them from coming back for awhile. That’s a lot cheaper than caring for them p. which is equilavent to the yearly cost of tuition at our colleges our citizen children and adults pay each year. One illegal child for one year costs the same as tuition at our colleges for one year.
Find the foreign nationals, fly them back to their native countries and let them apply for entry from there. Hell of a lot cheap than having them poop and piss on our soil for a year. We have a backlog of 700,000 cases and that does not even touch DACAs.

The reason Boardman calls on Trump to fix this gigantic problem is precisely because he is desperately crying out for an adult to solve this problem knowing full well the Democrats cannot, will not, and are incapable with coming up with a solution.

Where was the media during 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016??? Where was the coverage of this horrific situation? Where, where, where??? The situation was the same then. Not a new problem.

Nevermind, a rhetoric question. We know where they were. They were busy going down on Obama and could not quite see beyond the task at hand. Loved all of Boardman’s columns on this very issue, each and every one of those pearls he wrote. Loved all his solutions he presented. Guess I missed that. Maybe the news director pounded on the topic for years and I missed that too. But, but, but they are just trying to provide a better life for their families! Have you no heart?

Trump, please fix it. Oh please, please, please. Boardman knows his ilk are impotent when it comes to ideas and devoid of viable solutions. Somebody be the adult in the room!

[Paul Emery]

Yes Fish. Bill writes: " Sweet. That is worth a screen shot and a meme." See, we really can get along.

[Paul Emery]

George writss:

"Do you really think RR readers are so dense as not to recognize your deficit, and think that your comebacks are really clever?"

Are you referring to the four of five chest thumpers who contribute 90 % of the content of your blog?

[Gregory]

Paul Emery, are you trying to say you've fallen and you can't get up?

[Bill Tozer]

The Left speaks. The leaders,of the Blue Wave speak in unison!

Love and tolerance: “F—k you, Melanie [sic]. You know damn well your husband can end this immediately…you feckless complicit piece of s—t.” —"comedian" Kathy Griffin, who posed with a severed head of Donald Trump, imitating Samantha Bee to respond to Melania Trump’s thoughts on separating parents from kids at the border

Braying Jenny: “The very hypocrisy of the attorney general to quote the Bible, the hypocrisy of all people of faith in our country not to clamor for what the administration is doing to end — whether it’s to deprive the dreamers of the respect they deserve or whether its taking babies away from their mothers and fathers.” —Nancy Pelosi

Non Compos Mentis: “In our hearts and minds today: all of the fathers and parents who have been separated from their children at borders. Keep families together. #FathersDay” —Planned Parenthood

Non Compos Mentis, part II: “He gave birth. He breastfed. Now, he wants his son to see him as a man.” —CNN headline

Non Compos Mentis, part III: “This Father’s Day, men are experiencing a crisis of masculinity. The solution? More feminism.” —Noah Berlatsky op-ed for NBC News

Yep, as jon smith would say, Fuck “that whore Melania.” As M would say, “Trump married an immigrant!. Unfit!” And Punchy would spend hours and hours losing his mind over, “Look at her shoes! They are the wrong kind of shoes to board a plane with!”

Yep, you guys rock. So very attractive. What a wealth of ideas and spoken so eloquently.

Bonus round for our highly respected media.

Well played: “Washington Post employees want to go on strike because [Jeff] Bezos isn’t paying them enough. I think a really long strike would be a great idea. Employees would get more money and we would get rid of Fake News for an extended period of time! Is @WaPo a registered lobbyist?” —Donald Trump

Children are in Dog Kennels!!!!! F*&k Trump!
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/cody-leach/2018/06/18/morning-joe-children-are-dog-kennels

Hey, as soon as your spit the taste of Obama out of your mouths, maybe you can speak something coherent. Oh. best chew on some breath mints first.

[Paul Emery]

Don't have a clue about what you're talking about Gregory. Please translate.

[Gregory]

Paul, so you're now claiming you "don't have a clue"? That's been obvious.

[Don Bessee]

Fakenewsmen notwithstanding the reality is -

NIELSEN: So I want to be clear on a couple of other things. The vast majority, vast vast majority of children who are in the care of HHS right now — 10,000 of the 12,000 — were sent here alone by their parents. That’s when they were separated. So somehow we’ve conflated everything. But there’s two separate issues. 10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone. We now care for them. We have high standards. We give them meals, we give them education, we give them medical care. There’s videos, there’s TVs, I visited the detention centers myself. That would be my answer to that question.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/18/http-www-breitbart-com-big-government-2018-06-18-dhs-secretary-kirstjen-nielsen-challenges-cowardly-congress-for-failure-on-immigration-laws/

;-)

[Gregory]

Boardman 420pm:
"Stephen Miller urged Trump to implement the policy in the early days of the administration but Trump backed off until recently."

Do you have a link for that?

[Don Bessee]

@538 - Gregory, he just wants to ignore that its been on the books and was used by 0. Don't fall for the deflection. ;-)

[Gregory]

I'm not "falling for the deflection", Don.

It's not a law on the books, it's following court decisions dating from late in the Clinton administration. I'm genuinely interested in Boardman's info about just what he was claiming Miller was urging Trump to do.

[Don Bessee]

Beg to differ -

The difference is the Trump administration is now taking children away from parents who are being prosecuted criminally
We cannot and will not encourage people to bring children by giving them blanket immunity from our laws," Sessions said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/years-backlash-obama-policy-on-illegal-immigrants-children-was-also-slammed-by-critics.html

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Don't have a clue aboput what you're talking about Gregory Please translate-2nd request. Perhaps you're trying to be cute or clever. AW

[Gregory]

You call that begging, Don? You can do better than that. The link you provided was useless in shedding light.

Punchy still has no clue... I'm just fighting fire with fire, Paul.

[Bill Tozer]

Are you advocating arson, Gregory? You want to burn children, Gregory?” Why? :)

[Don Bessee]

Crossing the border illegally is a crime and multiple crossing is a felony. Reality Check -

Smuggling cartels are making at least $500 million a year bringing migrants into the U.S., Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen told Congress on Tuesday, outlining the scope of the problem for lawmakers as illegal border crossings continue to surge.
Ms. Nielsen took a firm stand on the causes of the surge, saying economies in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala are growing and homicide rates are falling, suggesting the push factors back home should be easing. Instead, she said, the booming U.S. economy and lax American laws are enticing the flow northward.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/15/kirstjen-nielsen-cartels-make-500-million-year-smu/

;-)

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/15/kirstjen-nielsen-cartels-make-500-million-year-smu/

;-)

[George Rebane]

PaulE 353pm - Did you answer any of my questions? Are we having a discussion, or am I being interrogated?

And you also seem to be confusing RR's contents with its comment streams. Then again, who are the jons, M, GeorgeB, PaulE, RobertC, ... ?

[Don Bessee]

And today-

After taking the podium, Nielsen squarely challenged Democrats for grandstanding on the issue and accusing the administration of using the children as leverage to get Congress to act.
“I say that is a cowardly response,” she said. “It is clearly within their power to make and change the laws. They should do so.”
She also challenged Democrats for attacking law enforcement officials for doing their job to enforce the laws on the books.
“We will enforce every law we have on the books to defend the sovereignty and security of the United States,” she said. “Those who criticize the enforcement of our laws have offered only one countermeasure. Open borders.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/18/dhs-secretary-kirstjen-nielsen-challenges-cowardly-congress-for-failure-on-immigration-laws/

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Every day across our land some Americans are going to jail and if the arrested folks do not have a relative to take their kids in or if the authorities cannot locate some one to take those kids in, the arrested ones’ kids go to CPS, then to some government run child care facility. Most of the kids coming in are unaccompanied...literally. Crossed without family.

Bottomline: all this is just one big distraction to the mind blowing devasting IG Report. Wow, more is coming out. Couple the IG report with the Senate testimony today, oh boy. We had no idea the depths of corruption, lawlessness, rewriting law in real time for personal career benefit, benefit, Comey under open investigation for handling classified intel, slow walking and “losing” FBI records, , going all in for Hillary and then framing Trump. Holy Smokes.

Today, tomorrow, and the next few day all we will hear is 24/7 audios of the sound is screaming babies being RRRRIIiiiiiiiiiipppppppppped from the arms of their mothers!!!

Go pound sand, fakenews diversion.

[Paul Emery]

George

Here is a question you asked of me that I will answer

" what of the AG's statement are claiming is wrong, improper, or unlawful?"

What does the bible have to do about justifying a policy decision? Enforcement of the law is of course contextual. To justify a legal action by saying the Bible told me so is a violation of the concept of Church and State that is part of our basic being as Americans. The bible is up to many different interpretations as we all know and for Sessions to use it as a moral justification for separating young children from their parents is not the teachings of Jesus or the bible in the opinion of most Christians. In my view his position is highly improper. How is that different than Shariah law in cultures that observe that?

[Gregory]

Paul 730pm, I took it as a retort to the church leaders taking exception with the policy.

Do you think any adult alien appearing at the border with a child they say is theirs, asking for asylum, should be let into the country to live with the child while the asylum request is evaluated?

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

That situation is not an excuse for a blanket policy of separatist all children from their parents which appears to be the situation. .

[Paul Emery]

sp separating all children

[Gregory]

Punchy, that situation IS the heart of the issue at hand.

[Paul Emery]

So ALL children should be separated from their parents in your opinion as the solution to that possible situation.

[Bill Tozer]

The ones that arrive at a legal crossing are not separated from their children. It’s the iforeign nation’s that illegally cross whomare arrested...and theirnkiddies somdo go,to big people jail. Courts said so, No kiddies in mean. adult jails. It’s for the safety of the children.

That is the only issue here.

[Gregory]

Paul, if you had a minor child, sole custody, and were lawfully placed under arrest, would you expect the child to come to jail with you?

[Paul Emery]

Being arrested for what? Trying to find a save home for my family?

[Bill Tozer]

Excuse al those typos above. Come in the front door. Is that so friggin hard to understand?? He really does not have a clue. What, no arrresting illegals caught crossing out in the desert? Throw an ankle bracket on them and tell them to come to some facility in three weeks? Think the illegal crossers will show back up? Or do what Obama did and have certain man (pedestrian) gates at legal,points of entry left unlocked at night.

It’s the mother with 4 kids or mother and father who does not speak a lick of English who made the DECISION to cross illegally who is to blame, not us. They wanted to cut in line in front of those who are patiently waiting to have there aslyum or refugee requests processed in an orderly manner. Screw those who flaunt our laws.
I am sorry there is domestic violence and crime in their shithole countries. Want to see domestic violence and crime on a daily basis? Read the Nevada County jail media log.

I am sorry that the civil services are less than adequate where some folks call home, but local police matterssuchnas crime are not a legitimate claim for persecution due to religion, political beliefs, for being a minority, or being part of a targeted group (no, being a woman don’t count), fleeing a war zone, or will be killed tonight cause the jack booted government goon squads are coming for you and will kill you if you did not flee right now with only the shirts on your backs.

There are only two kinds of immigrants. Legal and illegal.

[Gregory]

"Arrested for what?" -Paul

It doesn't matter for what, Punch. Attempted murder. Grand theft auto. Illegal entry into the US. I specified a legal arrest. Assume for a moment the LEA is honest and earnest.

No one is arrested for "Trying to find a save (sic) home" for their family.

[Paul Emery]

That's why most of the families took the risk to come here
Gregory. Y

[Don Bessee]

I have to suspect the po' ol' fakenewsman only files taxes to get the earned income tax credit given the nature of his job at a public radio station. SO he does not see any problem with the laws that allow the US to pick chose who get in the line for the GOLDEN TCKET being ignored. All those so enamored with 0 phones and free stuff paid for by OPM have no real concept what being a debtor county means. They don't pay, they collect benefits so the more the merrier on OPM. You know like single payer for everyone including illegals. Yes they are illegal, that's the bottom line.

I would like that 70K per illegal family per year to help the kids in Del Paso Heights and Appalachia instead and not some illeterat socialist who drained their treasury just looking for another batch of OPM!

;-)

[Gregory]

Paul, the question you are dodging was:

"Paul, if YOU, Paul Emery (aka Punchy) had a minor child, sole custody, and were lawfully placed under arrest, would you expect the child to come to jail with you?"

[Gregory]

That's a YES/no question, Paul.

[Don Bessee]

I wouldn't be timing any eggs off that Gregory. ;-)

[Gregory]

Don B, I refer you to the concept of "recreational impossibilities" from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[Bill Tozer]

Arrestdd for what? ROFLMAO. Arrested for coming into the USA illegally. It’s is a crime to do that. Arrested on the spot when and where found. They are taken to a detention facility, not the Hospitality House. Adults go in adult jail, kids go to stay in a nice place like the Hospitality House for minors until the judge rules,on their parent’s case.
A minor crossing into the USA being a mule for some Cartel packing drugs is not even arrested for drug offenses. They be children. Precious angels. WTF?

Ever see all those hundreds of news clips of the Border Patrol arresting a group of illegals out in Texas or the Arizona desert, Punchy? All those pics of those Border Patrol vehicles? Wonder what those guys do?
Arrested for what?? They are being arrested for illegal entry. Being here illegally. The legal term in the federal statute is illegal alien. Think they should be picked up and dropped off at MacDonalds and given a free Happy Meal? We don’t even know their names.

Arrested for what? You are kidding, right? Same with over staying your visa. Says right on the back of the visa they signed to get one that if they overstay, they will be immediately arrested and deported and they agree to that in advance. Sign here. Thankyou, enjoy your travels.

Arrested for what? Entering the USA without approval. You get approval at legal designated points of entry. Can you wrap your head around that? Arrested for what? Mommie or Daddy go to Wayne Brown. Where do the babies go? Your house?
But, if they walk up to a legal point of entry and request asylum, they ain’t separated from their infants and crumb snatchers but for a relatively brief period for processing. That is who we are.

Once convicted of entering illegally, a foreign national is not eligible for legal entry and legal documents for 10 years. Best to come in the front door and not break in through a back bedroom window. Best to get the word out.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, guess Punchy is all in for open borders. Everyone is an exception to the rules, eh?

The bigger and more fundamental picture is this: It takes two to tango. One party requests to enter, the other party welcomes them in. It’s not a one party making the request and deciding to come in unilaterally, not matter what anyone says. Believe it or not, the USA has a say in the matter. We give the applicant a thumbs up or thumbs down.

One million, 50,000 a year Punchy. That is how many we grant legal immigration status and either temporary or permenant residency to each and every year. 1,050,000 every year. But...what about the unskilled and uneducated 40 something parents of 3 kids, all of which are illiterate in their native tongues. What about them? They just want to get out of their shithole countries.
Can’t we take all the aborable stray puppies and kittens in the house, Daddy? I promise to take care of them. I promise, Daddy. They are so cute. Look at those puppy eyes. Please, Daddy, please let me have a few more puppies and look how aborable those kittens are. Please Daddy, please.

[Don Bessee]

@918 LOL ;-)

[Bill Tozer]

The current backlog is adjudicating 700,000 foreign nationals’ cases who are already here in the USA.

If you don’t like the law, have Congress change it. That is their job. The Executive Branch’s job is to uphold and enforce the law. DI-Fi and others are busy crafting legislation. They are finally doing their job as Trump has requested. By the book and all that stuff.

700,000 is the current backlog.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

These are mostly poor and desperate people who don't deserve to have their children placed in storage camps for weeks. The vast majority are not criminals. I'm sure there is a way that families can be kept together. My family heritage on my mothers side are Greek and my grandparents came over here as poor folk seeking a better life before WW1. America treated them well. What you are saying is that we won't do that anymore which to me is very sad,

All for now.

[Don Bessee]

What a bunch of irrelevancies at 957. Oh gee it was ok a hundred years ago so why not now you mean, racist, homophobic, child haters! Let everyone in WITHOUT PAPERS!

Cue the demographic slide of population density 1909 v 2018 and the per-capita numbers. Oh never mind facts that just get in the way of the po' ol' putin party parrots narratives!

Ask the Strong Black moms in the hood and ask the wonderful immigrants who earned the right if this is BULL SHIT FOR THIER KIDS FUTURE!

Cue patriotic music that makes the resistance's heads explode!

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Did your Immigrant kinfolk come here illegally Punchy? Or did they come through Ellis Island? Many were turned away and sent on the next ship back. Did they sneak in and live in the shadows fearful they would get deported? Did they come in at night from Canada?

There are only two kinds of immigrants. Legal (welcomed by our government) and those that are illegal, entered without even letting us know or anything about them.

No immigrant has any right to migrate to the USA. Most have the right to apply for various forms of alyssum, refugee status....but none have the right to have their applicants accepted and none have the right to not be rejected. Goes for work permits, visas, temporary residency, attending our colleges, to visiting.

I am fairly confident that Punchy’s ancestors entered at a legal point of entry and received papers. Ellis Island folks on the boat. Millions came, millions entered, some were turned away for various reasons. This ain’t the 1800’s or 1918 when our cities and nation needed to be built post World War 1. They done got built.

We let a lot in on pure humanitarian purposes. We grant residency to one million folks a year, Punchy, from all over the world. Of course, Mexicans are granted the most entries and they are our largest immigrant group. Then OTM (other than Mexicans) have a higher priority than others if they are from Central America. 84 folks from Norway emigrated to the USA last year. It’s not fair!! We even let a bunch of Russians in. But not the whole world. I like the ones from Fugi. Them ladies know how to laugh.

If we dilute the law and make exemptions for everybody, there is no law. There is no immigration law, just open borders.

[Gregory]

" The vast majority are not criminals."

That *might* be true, Punch...
Until they commit a misdemeanor or felony by entering the country illegally, and then it's false.

[Russ]

THE COMPASSION IS ALWAYS SELECTIVE: No protest over 20,000 US kids separated from parents in jail.

Over 20,000 children a year are put into foster care because their American parents are taken to jail, 10 times the number of those separated when illegal immigrant parents try to sneak into the U.S. but are caught, according to a commissioner on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

However, unlike the congressional outcry over President Trump’s zero-tolerance policy targeting illegal immigration, there has been no mass protest of or investigation into the separation of children from those in jail.

[Walt]

Someone needs to "invite" a few homeless to "camp" in Paul's front yard. How fast do you think Paul would be calling the cops?
They would be there ILLEGALLY,,right Paul? How come I get the idea you won't defend their "right" to be there.

[Paul Emery]

Here's details as to how the children are being treated

"CBS News host Gayle King spoke to a group of children who were held in detention centers after President Donald Trump ordered a “no tolerance” policy, forcing immigrant families to be separated.

“Were you treated very well, were you afraid there?” King asked a 15-year-old boy named Renaldo.

“I was very scared,” Renaldo replied, according to a translator. “At midnight they wake you up to count everyone in the cells.”

After the interview, King revealed that multiple children told her they went hungry while in the detention center.

“Renaldo also told us that he did not get enough to eat,” King explained. “He said he was fed apples and water — and neither did other people.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/immigrant-kids-tell-cbs-go-hungry-trump-camps-fed-apples-water/

[Todd Juvinall]

Round them up and send them to their country of origin. Very humane. And the kids can stay with the parents. Besides, the parents are informed their kids will be taken to a holding area if they come across. So they are given a choice. No kid is "ripped from the arms" of a parent. Anyway, stop all immigration now and let's sort this out like we do as a nation of laws.

[fish]

Gentlemen,

While you have all made compelling arguments to counter Punchinellos insipid moral preening, you are wasting your time. Your efforts reminiscent of a man showing his dog a card trick, the dog doesn't get it and would much rather be outside barking at the neighbors.

The primary reason Punch wants unlimited immigration can be explained, by Wretchardthecat, thusly....

"The importance of the population shift issue to progressives is underscored by how hard they wil fight for it."

https://twitter.com/wretchardthecat/status/1008392986630078465

with a follow on comment by the ever prescient Instapundit:

"Across the West, existing voters won’t give the left the power it wants, so they’re importing new ones."

Again....these merely variations on Brechts.."Die Lösung"...."In that case for the government, To dissolve the people, And elect another?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Lösung

The childless Punch has no stake in the future of this nation and merely wants to feel morally superior now. His eventual mortality depriving him of witnessing the almost certain downside of this false "charity"!

[fish]

....and of course the "Deliverer of Coffee" weighs in with his usual empty prose.

What a joke (and how pitiful) listening to Rebane and the local rightwingnuts — always light on intellect but heavy on demagoguery — somehow try to justify this hateful action to separate parents and cage their children. It is totally unnecessary except for political bullying. Turning these kids into political pawns to negotiate immigration reform comes from a truly sick mind. Families, of course, can be detained together. Some context is here: (I will leave it to the reader to pursue jeffys link to Democratic Party house organ the NY Times)

Probably want steer clear of those immigrant camps jeffy lest you find yourself with a skewer up your ass and an apple in your mouth!

I'm sure that those poor folks will be hungry after their long trip!

[fish]

.....and speaking of heavy on demagoguery!

EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT’S A “YOU MUST HATE CHILDREN” MEDIA MELTDOWN: Desperate Democrats bedazzled at political prospect of crying kids.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/19/desperate-democrats-bedazzled-political-prospect-c/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

BORDER BATTLE HEATS UP CAMPAIGNS...

https://www.gjsentinel.com/breaking/border-separations-ripple-through-midterm-campaigns/article_7d7e46da-73c6-11e8-9e4a-03bd699ad789.html

Hillary fundraises off border ‘humanitarian crisis’

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-fundraises-off-border-humanitarian-crisis/

Journalist plays tape of sobbing children during security press briefing...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/18/propublica-audio-tape-crying-immigrant-children-pl/

Cable News: 22 Comparisons of Immigration Policy to Holocaust, Slavery...

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2018/06/18/cable-news-22-comparisons-immigration-policy-holocaust-slavery

Jeffy you should probably stick to talking about your unrequited love of the Clerk-Recorder and your most recent stay at the Kimpton. You're just embarrassing yourself otherwise!

[fish]

Oh my! Our little “fish” is having a meltdown on Rebane’s blog. Can you spell “scum of the earth”? lol.

Everybody is little compared to you jeffy! Can you spell “scum of the earth”? Yes....I spell it "j", "e", "f", "f", "y"!

You should let me post in your lefty catbox jeffy instead of having you dart down to RR's for material and "control the narrative" back at the "Fathills Report".

But we both know you won't do that....don 't we!

[Bill Tozer]

Agreed Fish. If nothing else, it shows the need for Border security.

Punchy’s kin were not illegal aliens. They also arrived at a time where there was no welfare, no unemployment insurance, no food stamps, no free medical, no social security. It was sink or swim. Work your tail off from dawn to dusk or starve on the streets. You, and only you, were responsible for taking care of your family. That how it was for millions of legal immigrants, including one of my grandfathers. There was no 3% down or 20% down or 40% down to buy a house. You saved and saved and watched every penny and bought a house with cash. That’s was the strength of America. No instant gratification.

The woman arriving illegally with 3-4 kids brings exactly what to the table? Who will feed her kids? Who is going to house them? Who is responsible for raising her kids? Exactly what skills does she bring? What exactly will she do to make this country strong? What happens if she is arrested? Evicted? Gets sick? Commits a felony by using a fake SS number or stealing someone else’s ID? What should happen to the lady when she gets caught being here illegally? Answer from liberals: nothing. Do nothing.

Far more American children are separated from their parents when their American parents go to jail or prison. The vast majority of alsyum cases are rejected for fraud or failing to qualify. Only 1 in 5 alyssum requested are found valid. 20%.

The VAST majority of alien minors come here without parents/family. Guess their parents were not concerned about being separated from their kids.
There are 3,000 beds available for children of illegals whose parents violated our laws, but need 11,000 to 30,000 more at this rate.
Half of the federal prison population are comprised of illegals.

Bottomline: Punchy and others do not want illegal immigration to be dealt with. They do not want enforcement of immigration law, period. They do not feel illegal entry should be touched. They oppose all deterrent policies. They believe economic refugees should be allowed unfettered access to our country. He and others look at illegals’ intentions, never their actions.

The hard cold truth is they judge illegals (and themselves) by their intentions while everyone else judges them by their actions.

https://www.facebook.com/lastamericapatriots/photos/a.235087906641439.1073741826.235086849974878/1072511716232383/?type=3&theater

Oh my. They did a head count at midnight! How scary. Apples and water? Sounds like a Michelle Obama’s school lunch. I feel fear. Make the fear go away!!

[fish]

I know you're lurking jeffy.....my computer is shaking!

[fish]

Like I said.....lurking!

Four posts in a row on Rebane’s blog from “fish.” Bring out the men in white coats to help this poor fellow!

Abandoned your Dr. Phil fetish eh, jeffy.....a restraining order will do wonders won't it?!

[Paul Emery]

Allowing children to be with their parents is not "insipid moral preening" Fish just basic human decency something you don't seem to understand.

[fish]

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 19 June 2018 at 08:55 AM

Like many have said Bill....both here and elsewhere.....eventually a reliable army of democrat lever pullers. You have to wonder why scumbags like Terry McAuliffe initiated a trial run with allowing felons to vote. I mean after all...if people who have been stripped of the franchise can have it restored who are we to deny some say in how this country functions to our newest Americans.

"Progressive Democrats....cheapening your citizenship for the last 85 years!"

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 June 2018 at 09:00 AM

Allowing children to be with their parents is not "insipid moral preening" Fish just basic human decency something you don't seem to understand.

Yes it is Punch....for years we had an immigration system that took in people from all over the world and did it in a controlled and reasonable fashion.

You stupid fucks, in an attempt to insure your permanent majority for the democrats and endless cheap labor for the republicans broke it and are now blaming us! Take a hike old man nobody here is buying your bullshit!

[fish]

I notice “fish” has a big, foul mouth that doesn’t match his cowardly use of “fish” instead of his real name. I suspect he tried it once and his house got egged! lol.

Lurking....always lurking.....!

Speaking of cowardly remember the time you said you were going to be down in my neck of the woods and you were "going to pay me a visit and teach me some manners" (paraphrased of course). Remember how you never did!

Next time you're down here enjoying room service at the Kimpton I invite you to make good on your offer. After all I've been ill of late....you might stand a chance now!

[Paul Emery]

You're response Fish saying " nobody here is buying your bullshit" verifies the obvious observation that this blog is inhabited by four of five desperate wanna be Conservatives who don't have a clue about basic human decency. It's a true circle jerk with no toleration for any other ideas other than predictable narrow Trump inspired rants. That's who the "nobody here's" refers too.

[George Rebane]

re the fish & FUE exchange. Were FUE to respond to Mr fish in the sense of his 807am and 834am, instead of in ad hominem retorts, then his comments would be welcome in this stream. It appears that Mr fish took the bait of the lavish ad hominems launched on the FUE's blog and decided to counter. An unprofitable exchange indeed.

[Paul Emery]

Speaking of wanna be Trumpers Gulliani takes the cake by imitating our liar in Chief then admitting he was lying

Rudy Giuliani said his recent calls for the Justice Department to suspend special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation were a bluff he never thought would happen, according to an interview with Politico on Monday.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/giuliani-bluff-mueller_us_5b287805e4b0f0b9e9a43c20

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 June 2018 at 09:23 AM

Well I'm sure you're well acquainted with "circle jerks" Punch!

Not a conservative Punch! Never claimed to be! Smoke your weed, Get Gay Married all you want, I don't care!

Remember Punch, People vacation in those horrible "war zones" that you think you are sparing these people from. Maybe it's time for the Mexicans to fix Mexico, the Salvadorans to fix El Salvador, the Hondurans to fix Honduras!

Stop making my and other citizens descendants clean up after your "generosity"!

[George Rebane]

The above exchange on separating kids is as doomed as all the others which proceed with neither side understanding what utility the other seeks to maximize. One side obviously values national sovereignty and the rule of law, the other argues emotional (humanistic) factors to promote the untrammeled entry of hordes of leftwing voters to end national sovereignty. Not clear what either side expects when their method of evaluating arguments and solutions is asymmetrically shared. Here an analysis of the logic of the Left would leave one somewhere between laughter and tears.

[fish]

Posted by: George Rebane | 19 June 2018 at 09:26 AM

Indeed George.....but when you are dealing with a "man" who's describes himself as a "journalist" but who behaves like little more than Louella Parsons sometimes you have to get down in the mud.

I take solace in the fact that since jeffy is really mostly focused on "food and fun" these little exchanges occur infrequently

[Paul Emery]

I'm sorry human decency is too messy for you Fish

[George Rebane]

From the repetition (discovery?) of the kids situation with incarcerated Americans in this comment stream, it appears that my post did not get a careful reading, and the linked AFCARS report was overlooked completely, else there would more recognition of what went on before instead of the repetition of whole-cloth citations. Gentlemen, let's build on what has already been revealed in order to advance your arguments.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 19 June 2018 at 09:35 AM

I'm sorry human decency is too messy for you Fish

How many do we take in Punch? What level of benefits do we provide them. We know and you intimated yourself that many of these people are economic refugees. Do we employ them for $4.00 an hour and let them undercut people here legally and need to work without Punchys benevolent eye gazing down upon them?

Your kindness is little more than a sugar high. You get to feel morally superior for 15 minutes and then it's up to others to make it work for the long term!

Like I said....take a hike old man your counsel isn't needed!

Go back to playing "Uncle Pauls Happy Fun Time Question Hour"...at least them somebody else might inadvertently provide you with something helpful!

[Todd Juvinall]

In America, if a parent leaves a kiddo in their car they can be arrested and the child taken by CPS . I have not seen Paul Emery speak of that as "child abuse". But these people from the south send little kids by themselves a thousand miles and that is not child abuse? The left has lost its mind and it is called TDS! Trump has these people foaming at the mouth. And it is hilarious! Now we see the left saying the holocaust results are nothing compared to this! And these little chillin, getting three squares and a roof and security by America is GASP! Child abuse!

you cannot make up this stuff. Americans are not stupid. Well, at least center-right people. The left is looking for future voters and their encouragement of parents south of the border to send those future democrats here is unabated.

[Paul Emery]

george

You neglect commenting on the statement of our Attorney General who believes that our treatment of children and desperate families is somehow Gods way and follows the teachings of Jesus. He stated that in an official statement as Attorney General My goodness.

[Todd Juvinall]

America has taken in 2/3rds of the worlds legal refugees in the last thirty years. I have no guilt at all about the left's attempts to shame those that want some security.

[Paul Emery]

Sessions was surrounded by the American flag when he made the statement. Separation of Church and State-no way with this crew.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/16/jeff-sessions-bible-romans-13-trump-immigration-policy/707749002/

[fish]

But is it? Does the Bible really preach to obey the laws of government? If so, was Sessions right to use this passage to defend the government’s actions?

I trust you will be as reasonable when huge swaths of America chooses to ignore the next round of gun control laws!

[Paul Emery]

So Fish was it Gods way and the teachings of the bible to support segregation laws in the South when they were to laws of the day? Please explain you're understanding of the Bibles teachings in this matter.