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29 October 2018

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Robert Cross

Yes, let's all recognize the tragedy of mass murder, once again. At the same time we should also recognize that our gun laws are woefully inadequate at preventing these deranged and lunatic killers from acquiring weapons. Trump's 4th grade reasoning that an armed guard at the synagogue would have prevented this latest massacre is not the solution. Arming churches and schools is not the solution. Turning America back into the Wild West where everyone is armed is only good for the firearms industry, not the country.

fish

Posted by: Robert Cross | 29 October 2018 at 09:48 AM

Well you just go ahead bobsy....just ban those nasty guns! Let us know how that works out for you!

George Rebane

RobertC 948am - America was armed - yes, even proper ladies regularly carried a Derringer in their purse or muff - until well into the 20th century. Anyone starting a massacre would be quickly gunned down by a legally armed bystander or target. Hence, it's instructive to count the number of mass shootings in the "Wild West" or anywhere else in America during those years.

However, your invitation to re-debate the issue is always relevant. We will immediately divide on the original intent of the 2nd Amendment.

***M***

'''A reliable sign of a corrupt and/or out of control government is when it increases taxes for 1) no other reason (benefit to the public) than that it can, and/or 2) because it must do so in order to pay for under-budgeted existing but politically critical promised programs that no longer are sustainable (if they ever were from the start).''' --- sounds just like the Republican administration and its relationship with the military and spending.

fish

Posted by: ***M*** | 29 October 2018 at 01:55 PM

2) because it must do so in order to pay for under-budgeted existing but politically critical promised programs that no longer are sustainable (if they ever were from the start).''' --- sounds just like the Republican administration and its relationship with the military and spending.


2) because it must do so in order to pay for under-budgeted existing but politically critical promised programs that no longer are sustainable (if they ever were from the start).''' --- sounds just like a democrat administration and its relationship with the Medicare, Social Security, Snap, CHip, EBT, plus a host of other “Gibs me dat” welfare programs!

Robert Cross

George -- for one, this is not the 19th century. There are way more people, thus increasing the number of nut cases out there. Laboratory rats in overcrowded situations often become cannibalistic. Other than possibly Native Americans, do you know of any school massacres or church massacres that occurred in the Wild West? Were teachers and school children armed? What about Pastors? Doesn't the 2nd amendment say something about "a well regulated militia"? Do all of these armed screwballs constitute a well regulated militia? To draw the conclusion that were fewer mass shootings because people were more armed back then is a little thin. Perhaps the cowboys got their killing itch scratched via the random slaughter of non-whites, which no one seemed to care about.

little fishy: yet another brilliant post.. now go outside and swing on the monkey bars for a while until recess is over.

fish

Posted by: Robert Cross | 29 October 2018 at 02:15 PM

.....oh bobsy.......feeling like devouring a neighbor or two? Well when you’ve finished you’ll probably want to jump right into your gun ban project!

Keep up posted on how it goes in mouse utopia!

scenes

RobertC sez: "George -- for one, this is not the 19th century. There are way more people, thus increasing the number of nut cases out there."

So you are saying that we should limit new immigration?

Bill Tozer

They way the Leftinistas have clearly and readily shown no love for the 1st Amendment, it makes sense they would have no respect for the 2nd Amendment.

George Rebane

RobertC 215pm - yes indeed, this is the 21st century with a lot more US population. But what you seem to forget is that what makes more nut cases in the tail of the distribution causes that distribution to have even more people qualified to legally carry concealed weapons. It only takes one CCW carrier to delay a massacre until the police arrive - what progressives don't appreciate is that the massacres take place in the first seconds/minutes, an interval during which ONLY another gun can make a difference.

The pabulum responses of 'shelter in place' (aka hide) and 'orderly exit' (aka run) for public consumption have amply demonstrated that they don't work - the killing continues until the police/SWAT get there, and then have guts to actually get into the building and engage the killer, instead of cowering behind patrol cars 'waiting for back-up'.

We need a practical approach with qualified and affordable guns (plural) in the buildings (plural). The Israelis and some precious few US school districts utilize armed/trained teachers. We can debate that, but hopefully by not imposing the perfect solution to be the enemy of a satisficing solution.

Todd Juvinall

The democrats are the violent ones. But they know who to call when their words turn into action. Those cops and ICE agents. What a hoot!

Bill Tozer

Guns
https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1465521726915193/?type=3&source=48

19th Century? Nah, let’s look at the 21Century

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10216959173640962&id=1514842570&set=p.10216959173640962&source=47

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10216959175641012&id=1514842570&set=p.10216959175641012&source=47

Bill Tozer

Re: Later on the Tree of Life synagogue.

Seems nobody is talking about Louis the hater Farrakhan calling Jews terminates just ten days ago. Neither does the Lamestream Media point out that the President has a Jewish daughter, Orthodox Jew son-in-law, and probably the first President to have Jewish grandchildren.

Trump was the one who sent Nikki Haley straight into the anti-Semitic den of Jew haters in the UN and told them that we will defend Israel with everything at our disposal. Within three weeks of Obama leaving office, Obama dispatched, as a parting shot, his UN Ambassador to vote ‘present’ on a resolution condemning Israel. The US has never before been silent on any resolution crafted by countries who are hell bent on wiping Israel off the face of the Earth. No one has stood up for the Jewish people more vocally and in deed than Trump.
Heck, FDR turned away a ship load of Jews fleeing Nazi German, and they really were refugees from oa war zone in which they were a targeted group. No come here, lol. The Lefties.

Trump was the one who beat the 500 hundred member Palm Beach Society and opened up the golf course for the first time allow Jews to become members, not to mention play a round or two.

— I have posted quite a few comments here dealing with the bigger issue of the growing anti-Semitism and their straight arrow connections to the Democrat Socialists. The shooter was pissed because Trumps loves the Jews...and Israel.

But, we are dealing with Lefties here. So, nevermind. Trump is a terrorist sympathizer.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1464896413644391/?type=3&source=48

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1465576220243077/?type=3&source=48

George Rebane

BillT 400pm - Thanks for that important addition Mr Tozer.

The Dreg

“Anti-Semitic shootings aren’t new, and anti-Jewish hate crimes have long dominated religious bias in this country. This ancient hatred comes from both fringes and runs through presidents of both parties and occurs in nations across the world. Yet what was the most vital lesson partisans could derive from the massacre of elderly Jews attending a bris in Pittsburgh? Stop saying mean things about billionaire progressive sugar daddy George Soros.

“As a Hungarian Jew who is a descendant of Holocaust survivors and victims, I am wholly comfortable attacking Soros, who is both a hard-left activist and a funder of the anti-Semitic boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement. Now, there are surely anti-Semites out there peddling conspiracy theories about Soros, just as there are people peddling anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Sheldon Adelson and other wealthy Jews who involve themselves in politics. It’s often overdone, and often by Republicans.

“But if you’re not upset about the vile accusations that are incessantly thrown at someone like Benjamin Netanyahu, while you think calling out Soros is de facto anti-Semitism, your main concern is liberalism, not the Jewish people.

“If you think Trump should bring down the temperature, you have a point. If you think Trump should turn down the temperature but you fail to mention that a progressive yelling about “health care” tried to assassinate the entire GOP leadership on a baseball field, you don’t really care about the temperature.


“If you fail to mention that Democrats have been accusing Republicans of wanting to the kill the poor and young, of trying to destroy the planet, of being “terrorists” after every school shooting, you don’t care about the temperature. If you rationalize mob behavior every time you don’t get your way in the electoral process, you don’t care about the temperature. And if your first instinct is to play politics with tragedy for partisan gain, you are part of the problem.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/10/28/the-lefts-response-to-the-mass-shooting-of-jews-is-an-act-of-bad-faith/

Bill Tozer

Bombings? We ain’t seen nothing yet. The Leftinistas never change.

After his slim victory, Nixon declared that his government would take as its theme the words on a girl’s placard that he had seen in the Ohio town of Deshler: “Bring us together.”

Nixon tried in his first months, but it was not to be.

“According to Bryan Burrough, author of “Days of Rage, America’s Radical Underground, the FBI, and the Forgotten Age of Revolutionary Violence,” “During an 18-month period in 1971 and 1972, the FBI reported more than 2,500 bombings on U.S. soil, nearly 5 a day.”

No, 2018 is not 1968, at least not yet.”

Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/is-this-worse-than-1968/#rUOJugKhODJmGQYl.99

The Estonian Fox

Three other compelling sentences from 'Are We Rome?'
1. Romans in growing numbers embraced the notion that voting for a living could be more lucrative than working for one.
2. Taxation ultimately destroyed the wealthy first, followed by the middle and lower classes.
3. In the Third Century, Emperor Aurelian declared government relief payments to be a hereditary right. He provided recipients with government-baked bread (instead of the old practice of giving them wheat and letting them bake their own bread) and added free salt, pork, and olive oil.

Referencing '- it is just the next taking' in the last paragraph-
A 2004 novel, "The Taking", was written by Dean Koontz. The crisis in the story included aliens boarding a human space station in earth orbit, without asking permission to do so. This lead to the comment "Boarding protocols ought to be universal." Hence the phrase could apply to aliens boarding our spaceship in another galaxy, or boarding one in our own solar system, or "boarding" our own country. Our country seems to be within a month or so of being boarded without the permission of many Americans. Note - It didn't work out well in Koontz's story for the 'boardees'.
So 'taking' does not refer to only monetary or physical items, but to freedoms as well. When a person 'boards' your house without permission, you can stop him because respect for private property is a part of American law. But we are forbidden by progressives in defending our country from alien invaders. Go figure.

And it's Pittsburgh, with an 'h'.

Bill Tozer

Re: Update; the informed voter, the stupid voter, and the informed non-voter.

Samantha, age 22, isn't voting because "2016 was such a disillusioning experience," she's crushed and can't bring herself to believe her vote counts because her chosen candidate lost. She's waiting for a "full progressive candidate." She has a ballot sitting at home because she asked for absentee ballots the last time she voted, but she's not mailing it in. She calls herself an "informed nonvoter."

Reese, 23, is "borderline socialist" or was, she's not super sure. "Talking of voting" is "really big" in her circle of friends, but she just can't bring herself to do it.

Tim, age 27, does not understand how the post office works. "I tried to register for the 2016 election, but it was beyond the deadline by the time I tried to do it. I hate mailing stuff; it gives me anxiety." He also has "ADHD" which he says makes it impossible to vote because the "payoff is far off in the future or abstract." His friends have told him that's "irresponsible," but he does not care.

Megan, age 29, has to print a form and mail it in to get an absentee ballot, but she doesn't own a printer and has no idea how to get stamps.

Drew, 21, is disillusioned. Laura, 21, admits she didn't know who Joe Biden was until after the election, and, anyway, she just doesn't "have the time and energy." Aaron, 25, doesn't like the fact that "climate change" isn't part of the Democratic Party platform.

Anna, 21, is just a basket case, because mailing something is hard. "Most people my age have zero need to go to the post office and may have never stepped into one before. Honestly, if someone had the forms printed for me and was willing to deal with the post office, I’d be much more inclined to vote."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/37783/millennials-explain-why-theyre-not-voting-i-hate-emily-zanotti

Paul Emery

George

A very basic question. Who is the judge as to whether someone is smart or stupid in their voting tendencies?

‘Vote Smart or Vote Stupid’ Susan Rogers

George Rebane

PaulE 855pm - In the US it's the franchised citizen who decides to cast their vote. Others may only criticize the vote (if the voter reveals his vote). But I think you already knew that.

Don Bessee

One can never tell with the pony tail of ignorance. ;-)

***M***

,,,how many people just vote the straight party ticket and vote no for any and all propositions???

,,,are they smart voters or stupid voters?

Todd Juvinall

Since the turnout is under 50% I would say the smart ones are the ones that voted. Screw the lazy asses that can't take that fateful three minutes to cast their "right".

Bill Tozrer

We will see how uniformed and stupid the voters are in these 5 states:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/midterm-elections-global-warming/

Hmmm. Of course government exempts itself from gas taxes in WA,

Todd Juvinall

Spend 27 minutes with Candace Owens and be inspired by this strong black conservative woman. She is a rock star!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvqjXxDDxOE

Ads pop up but you can blow thru them

Paul Emery

Don

Are you supporting Nevada County's Measure G ?

***M***

,,,no conservative laissez faire tea partier in their right mind would vote for such a prejudiced tax on MJ,,, but in the Age of Trump how many conservatives are in their right mind???

Donnie might not know how to vote yet if he has not received his marching orders from his horribly misnamed '''Smart''' approaches to MJ lobby.

,,,should be renamed Dim-witted approaches to MJ.

Todd Juvinall

I think I'll open a rehab center for MJ addicts and apply for money from the tax.

Todd Juvinall

The muderers who go into schools and churches to do their deeds are not new to this time. The Hundred Years War and others in Europe saw millions of civilians murdered by roving bands of soldiers and just plain bad men. During WW2 in the Ukraine and other places the SS and the German killers got the local to do their dirty work as well. Millions died. It is simply EVIL. And those who want to fight it must be prepared. A armed person at the places where these killers want to go might have saved many.

Bill Tozer

Re: Vote Smart or Vote Stupid......or Vote Your Hate!

Q: Is it possible to hate Trump but not the average America?

“All Americans are MUCH better off today than they were two years ago, but that notwithstanding, Republicans will suffer losses in the House. And here is why: This election is a referendum on Democrat voter IQ and the Demo/MSM chokehold on their opinion — not the considerable Trump record. The result of that chokehold and Demo voter delusion is, as Gelernter notes, one political theme: “We hate Trump.” All the Left has to offer is fear, anger, hate, and division.

Indeed, Gelernter observes, “What the left hates about Donald Trump is precisely what it hates about America.” They fear him because, “He has no ideology except getting the job done. His goals are to do the task before him, not be pushed around, and otherwise to enjoy life. In short, he is a typical American — except exaggerated, because he has no constraints to cramp his style except the ones he himself invents.”

Gelernter writes, “Mr. Trump reminds us who the average American really is. Not the average male American, or the average white American. We know for sure that, come 2020, intellectuals will be dumbfounded at the number of women and blacks who will vote for Mr. Trump. He might be realigning the political map: plain average Americans of every type vs. fancy ones.”

He concludes, “This all leads to an important question — one that will be dismissed indignantly today, but not by historians in the long run: Is it possible to hate Donald Trump but not the average American?”

https://patriotpost.us/articles/59224-why-they-hate-trump?fbclid=IwAR17xWNfjCdfVmq8zA1irW7VXsIgDM3RF8UlfKWSQ-8k9QP7HJTX-lTID6Y

Vote Your Hate!!

fish

Oh noes.......

The rabble apparently aren't showing appropriate deference to their Hollywood betters..................


"After Record Spending, Hollywood Dems Fearful Ahead of Midterm Vote..."


Gee guys you should probably spend more......maybe all of it!


Meh.....Amy Schumer.....as useless as her uncle!


https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/midterm-preview-2018-hollywood-key-races-1203016096/


George Rebane

re BillT's 930am - And here all along the local lefties thought that RR was the lone miscreant source of identifying and highlighting the deficits of "Democrat voter IQ and the Demo/MSM chokehold on their opinion". My heartfelt advice remains that they enlarge their reading horizons - all wisdom and knowledge does not gush from MSNBC, Huffpost, DailyKos, and the NYT.

'''M'''

,,,yes Bill,,,Trump is very average, your average American who is not smart enough to vote.
The better way to vote is to hold your nose and vote.

fish

Posted by: '''M''' | 02 November 2018 at 11:12 AM

The better way to vote is to hold your nose and vote.


Yeah .......for Trump! I didn't vote for him last time but I probably will this go round!!

Bill Tozer

The uniformed voter. Just the facts, ma'am.
https://www.justfacts.com/news_2018_poll_voter_knowledge.asp

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