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24 November 2018

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Bill Tozer

Punch Drunk One, an older phrase used by a prior generation, appeared two to three times on these pages before the abbreviated a label “Punchy” stuck for good. I thought it was like what another generation used to called “rummy”. Punch Drunk, Or maybe one who drinks the Leftinista Punch....or the Jim Jones kool-aide.

English Language Learners Definition of punch-drunk. of a boxer : confused and unable to speak or move normally because of being punched many times in the head. : unable to think or act normally because you are very tired, excited, etc.

BTW, Popinjay is an antiquated word for parrot. Punch Drunk Parrot.

The ref jumps in, briefly stops the fight and asked the staggering boxer how many fingers is he holding up. The reply is, “All of them.”

Paul Emery

George

I didn't intend to mean your rants are boring. However it can become boring because without critical respondents it becomes just a chest thump with the four or five regulars. Most other critics have been driven away by insults and demeaning personal statements. Being a boxer I can take a punch and enjoy the sparing session.

Paul Emery

George

Would you consider a legitimate task of the press to examine whether indeed there were "“Three border patrol people yesterday very badly hurt, getting hit with rocks and stones,” as to whether that's true or not. Has Fox news looked into it? "Very badly hurt" is specific and detailed and there should be a record. I hope Fox and others get on it.

Todd Juvinall

Watched KDCRA last night and as usual, they announced the Gallup poll on Trump. I yelled at them that the Rasmussen has it the other way. But of course they have their bias.

Bill Tozer

Re: Fakenews.

Talk about spin. ‘I come over to make sure this site isn’t boring. Just helping out.’ Well, let’s all get down on our knees and thank our lucky stars! And Dougski got handcuffed and arrested at the Del Oro for simply trying to help poor children who could not afford to a ticket to see the Premier.

Play those tapes playing in your head. Spin them records

Todd Juvinall

KCRA

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 27 November 2018 at 10:27 AM


Not really, fish. That kind of brain damaged former boxer is more prevalent with the heavier weight classes. The little guys just can't hit as hard.


Tell that to Duk Koo Kim!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Duk-koo

Paul Emery

Todd

Rasmussen missed the mark in the election by claiming the the Pubs were up by one in the congressional but they actually lost by 8. Fox got it right when they called it for the Dems by 7. Rasmussen was not even close, they were the farthest off the mark of any major pollsters. thought you knew that.

Todd Juvinall

Looks like the democrats stole another one in Con Dist 21. Anytime it is close those darn democrats find enough provisionals to win.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 11:29 AM


Being a boxer I can take a punch and enjoy the sparing session.


Right……that's why you've stormed off in a huff on numerous occasions! "I refuse to respond to anyone who won't use my proper name"……"I refuse to discuss subjects that rely on anecdotal evidence'…..etc.


"….enjoy the sparring session" my ass….. you're as big a Prima Dona as jeffy!

Don Bessee

OUCH! @1204

;-)

Paul Emery

Part of an old boxing tactic of faking a hit fish. It invites a predictable response from your opponent that you can take advantage of. I'm amazed you don't recall the "rope a dope" used by Muhammad Ali.

As sparring partners the Circle Jerks are very predictable and boring. I'm just trying to liven things up for our readers

fish

Part of an old boxing tactic of faking a hit fish. It invites a predictable response from your opponent that you can take advantage of. I'm amazed you don't recall the "rope a dope" used by Muhammad Ali.


This may be the weakest response you've deposited here! Don't make me embarrassed for you Punch!

Paul Emery

Any documentation Todd for your 12:03 or can we assume you made it up? Looks like the Dems are up to 40 flips in the House. that's beyond anyone's prediction and certainly makes it a Blue Wave.

The Pubbers are extinct in California except for some deep country isolated pockets. I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north. That's about all that's left for the poor ol' Pubsters

Don Bessee

Well that's a perfect example from the po' ol' fakenewsman @ 1222 -

I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north.

;-)

Walt

Paul can't fight his way out of a paper bag. Besides. he has a glass jaw. When things get a little tough, he runs.(or hobbles off and changes the subject.) When on the ropes, he finds the trap door, and won't be seen till the heats off.

Paul hates America. He would rather see the Proggys run it into the ground, see everyone with crappy healthcare, pay huge taxes to be pissed away on deadbeats.
And legislation by poll, LIBshit mob rule.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:22 PM

I understand there are Nevada County Republicans that are consulting with relocation centers in La Malfa counties up north.


Any documentation Punch for your 12:22 or can we assume you made it up?

Paul Emery

Shows how little you know about boxing Fish. If you don't know that you shouldn't accept my bait to get into boxing analogies.

This is a blast guys,keep it up. Haven't had so much fun since the Golden Gloves in Spokane Washington. I would have won my last fight but the referee stepped on my hand.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:29 PM


Haven't had so much fun since the Golden Gloves in Spokane Washington.


Yeah…..I suspected as much about your sex life.


Paul Emery

So you're heading in that direction? Why are you interested in my sex live Fish? Todd is the one who likes to publicize his romps. He likes to share on this blog, blow by blows of his current computer hookups. He might even share some tips because he is sooooo successful, even surpassing Trump he claims.

Paul Emery

George

Do you have anything on topic to contribute. The boys are getting a little squirrely and can't seem to contribute anything to the topic of Fake News.

Don Bessee

So you must have been down on the mat for that to have happened -

I would have won my last fight but the referee stepped on my hand.

;-)

Paul Emery

Yeah Don, it just wasn't fair. I was lacing up by shoes which is hard with boxing gloves on.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:43 PM

….. can't seem to contribute anything to the topic of Fake News.


That's why you're here Punch….to fill the days "Fake News" quota.

Paul Emery

Weak jab Fish. You can do better. I even left you some openings but you missed out.

Walt

Paul should be singing praises to Trump.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/general-motors-shares-fall-after-trump-threatens-to-cut-subsidies-for-company.html
Paul loaths subsidies. (unless it involves his own paycheck signer)

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 12:51 PM


This is as lame as you "thanking" people for "agreeing" with you!

Gregory

The total congressional vote isn't a race, is it, Punchy? The Rasmussen error amounts to maybe one voter off per House district and they've copped to it, are reviewing their method. For that one number.

Paul Emery

So do you agree that Fox had the right methodology Gregory? they were right on the number. The Dems also had far more Senate votes even though they lost a couple of races. Approx 50 million votes for Dems to 34 million Repubs. Dems up by 19%. Combine that with the House votes and you get the total Congressional which is huge for the Dems and certainly not anything like the Rasmussen poll

Here is a link the Senate numbers.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-senate-elections.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=2F5CFAB2493C37401AD7C37A846D2B77&gwt=pay

Paul Emery

Do you collect any kind of government check Walt? Medicare, Social Security, Vets Benefits SSI etc.

George Rebane

PaulE 1243pm - Yes, I have an addendum to this piece in the works. But you're right, the conversation has gotten a bit putrid and off topic here - by their words (or was it 'works') shall they be known. Not everyone cares what kind of a trail they leave. In any case, I invite such tripe to be consigned to the nearest sandbox.

Bill Tozer

Re: fakenews

“They couldn’t find anyone to say “boof” means gang rape.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmrgnk3RIc

Fake news: current events

https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2236333876437452/?type=3&theater

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1486568904810475/?type=3&source=48

Paul Emery

I agree George

Pardon me for my comic interlude, Gotta have a little fun once in a while. the RR Circle are a blast to taunt and jive with.

Todd Juvinall

Why ius it that democrat socialists always ask if someone is getting SSN and Medicare as if to shame them? Please, that argument is bogus. People pay in what 15% of their income to SSN and some other amount to Medicare. Therefore it is a savings account paid for by the individual and if you are an employee the company pays half. So I would suggest Paul Emery etal need a better example for trying to tell us we are all complicit in socialism.

California democrats received and spent double what Republicans did and the R's were victors on election night. But as we have experienced before, over the days those bonus ballots come out and overtake the legitimate victors here. Democrats have mastered the theft of elections as good as Tammany did in NYC.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 01:25 PM


Like I said…..as sad as you "thanking" people for "agreeing" with you!

Paul Emery

Lets take this to the Sandbox Todd -Georges request.

Todd Juvinall

Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 01:25 PM

]Thanks for agreeing with me that you are unserious in your postings here. I always knew that and that is why I don't answer your ludicrous questions. But I do have fun taunting you and your bias.

Paul Emery

Very serious Todd. Are you? Your " R's were victors on election night. " is some kind of joke. Really cracked me up.

Todd Juvinall

Go look and get back to me after you self-flagellate for your denial of the truth.

Paul Emery


Denial of what truth
Todd?

scenes

Oh great. I leave for 8 hours and the Paul 'n Todd show manage to spew out a few pages worth of non sequiturs.

It's like watching an inexperienced RV owner empty their black tank. Anyone who was around USENET got that back and forth BS out of their system 25 years ago. I would give a lot for a blocking feature here, there's nothing charming about 12 year old 72 year olds.

re: Fake News. Just imagine the fun when the AIs get better and better at it. You can already test multiple markets simultaneously with a message and get real time results as to it's efficacy. Those social media propaganda sweatshops that the Five Eyes and Russkies run are going to look like buggy whips soon enough, the commercial interests will continue to stay way ahead. The thing that I didn't foresee was the shift at near-monopolies like Twitter from selling soap to selling the desirability of open borders and the 57 genders.

George Rebane

scenes 227pm - good points. And I'd love to see an AI plug-in app from TypePad that would automatically block those 12 going on 70 something. Maybe RR should have a new category labeled 'Name Calling and Other Shit', you think?

Todd Juvinall

And what pray tell did I write that got scenes panties in a wad?

fish

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 27 November 2018 at 03:42 PM


He's just getting tired of our charming hi-jinks (hows that for a word that's fallen out of favor) Todd! It happens!

Todd Juvinall

Hi-jinks? LOL! It is a travesty I tell you!

scenes

"And what pray tell did I write that got scenes panties in a wad?"

Because that back and forth bitchiness gets tiring after a while.

Paul dangles his worm in the water and everyone just latches on. and on. and on. The fact that a 'news director' acts like this in public is just flat wrong, but it takes two to tango.

"'Name Calling and Other Shit'"

I rather like it, go for it. Maybe call it 'alt.politics' or 'alt.tasteless'. Modern times are interesting in that at places like reddit, there's a strong segregation in effect.

Just thinking about fake news, in this case highly opinionated news, maybe the difference between now and 100 years ago is the monopoly that one party has in mass media. The days of two newspaper towns is over. Once news production is monopolized in major metro areas and politics is split between urban and suburban/rural balance is lost. AM radio being the exception of course. News was always opinionated, but now there's only one opinion. There's Fox, but even that just represents Chamber of Commerce Republicans I think.

The really interesting thing to keep an eye on is grassroots news sites and youtube channels. The push is on to remove them whenever possible, but I think that it's just as much the financial threat they represent to MSM as much as politics.


fish

Posted by: scenes | 27 November 2018 at 05:15 PM

The "name calling"…. the left started it…..reveled in it…….every lefty just certain that he was the next Lenny Bruce. This until…..until anybody "not left" got better at it. Then the whining for "proper decorum" and civilized discourse" started. These pleas always fall by the wayside when a Green Libertarian™ thinks he's stumbled on a new more effective type of snark, much like RR's resident dimwit attempted with his tedious boxing references this afternoon!

George Rebane

scenes 515pm - I think your point is on the mark, the competition of opinions is on the wane and has pretty much become a network of regional monopolies. And the internet has removed the 'regional' restriction but provided so many voices that for any one individual most of the web is realistically invisible. You have to become your own news and opinion assembler, and that is hard for most people to pull off in a way that gives them several viewpoints. When I was a kid in Indianapolis, the city had three major newspapers and a handful of minor ones that served the outlying county areas. Those days are gone forever.

Bill Tozer

@5:15 pm

“The really interesting thing to keep an eye on is grassroots news sites and youtube channels. The push is on to remove them whenever possible, but I think that it's just as much the financial threat they represent to MSM as much as politics.”

The TV guy is going to be dead. Sorry Acosta, you won’t be watched either. The new platforms are going to be social media and YouTube. With that said, social media platforms are now the old telephone service. From e-mails, to citizen reporter p to this blog, the platform has become the publisher. Like the original landlines to transmit information, today’s platforms are in really publishers and should be regulated. But, but, but they are a private company! Yeah, so is the American Telephone & Telegraph Company. Twitter and FB and You Tube are publishers....

Bill Tozer

Fakenews: The Picture of the Year, skeptic style

https://www.facebook.com/NoLapdogMedia1/photos/a.644924592343900/1125835310919490/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101882316779356&set=gm.520637711785066&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101882499418346&set=gm.520710558444448&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=290331664926668&set=pcb.520600485122122&type=3&theater

scenes

re: BillT

Compare PewDiePie (a youtube guy who is not a Green Libertarian) views vs. CNN. Dead man walking in the networks' case, although I expect they'll just evolve into something different. Or merely cut costs over time.

Political censorship is a real thing on the net (near) monopolies though. Given the expense of putting together truly large streaming services and the ability of MSM+Green Libertarian activist groups to shut down evil sites at various levels, I'm not sure if you'll see alternative mechanisms be successful. Look at the way Voat or Gab have been chased around the internet.

The thing is, MSM in combination with the 17 intelligence agencies, monied interests generally, and the crack KVMR news desk have a lot of resources and they fight dirty.

It would be ironic if the Russians subsidized Western free speech efforts but it wouldn't surprise me a bit. I'd say that the modern Western Left, which is larger/wealthier/urban that it's counterpart, will attempt to set up a velvet-gloved version of China's internet fist. The Right, so far as I see it coalescing, is still mostly a grassroots movement and simply doesn't have enough financial and organizational traction to overcome a descent into a controlled internet. Obviously, I could be wrong though.

Bill Tozer

Scenes @ 7:39 am

No doubt. I was talking down the road about the overarching picture of how we will communicate and receive information. The TV network news divisions may go the way of the drive-in movie theaters. If your method of communication is Twitter, FB, You Tube, or a future social media platform, you are screwed if you are a conservative. Deadnaming (calling Chelsea Manning by her legal name) can get your tongue cut out, your livelihood utmoff, and left as a voiceless unemployable dreg, scorned by friends and foes near and abroad. Big Bro is watching you. The only questionis will the 17 Intel agencies being working for the internet platforms or will we all be underlings of the internet platforms...doing their bidding to survive. Will everything be Propaganda?

Not surprising, those who make the rules are exempt from the rules. Freedom of thought is a threat to the common good. Dregs will not be treated kindly. The marketplace of ideas will be an antiquated term.

Bill Tozer

Re: Fakenews. Russian Collusion, Part 2.

Ah, the word ‘treasonously’ appears again. What is sad is how many journalists are in on the hoax because they want it to be so. The compelling thing about conspiracy theories is they can’t be proved, which makes conspiracy theories take on a life of its own...or time immortal.

“If this story had been true, it would have been proof of the conspiracy theory the Resistance/Media/NeverTrump has peddled without evidence for years, but being upset about it being false means that you're also guilty!”

“Many media figures have swallowed whole, without evidence, a conspiracy theory that Donald Trump became president by treasonously colluding with Russia to steal the 2016 election from its rightful owner, Hillary Clinton. The information operation that pushed this story turned out to have been secretly developed and funded by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic National Committee, a fact uncovered only through the tenacious digging of Republicans on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in the face of major opposition from the media and Democrats on the committee......

The information operation has been fed to an increasingly compliant and credulous media with nearly no resistance. Fusion GPS is the Clinton- and Democrat-funded group that initiated the Russia collusion story, although it is now, according to congressional testimony, being spearheaded by the Democracy Integrity Project and funded to the tune of $50 million. The Washington Post quietly admitted, buried the news, really, that the operation was funded by George Soros.”

Let the fun begin...again!

http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/28/manafort-assange-drama-proves-media-will-buy-any-russia-conspiracy-story-no-matter-its-flaws/


'''M'''

,,,at least he got his fat ass out of the basement,,,

https://tinyurl.com/yczlsw93

Walt

Is Paul drinking early? His "prediction" of a loss is wrong.
now back to spinning those Victrola records on K-OLD.

Bill Tozer

Man, it’s getting to the point where I don’t know where to post anymore. Fakenews on climate change goes under one topic, Fakenews on this or that topic goes under Scattershots or Ruminations, Fakenews under another topic goes under ‘Monday with the Union’. Guess I will throw this here under Fakenews Defined.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1487347288065970/?type=3&source=48

On the local scene:

5:13 p.m. — A woman from Oak Hollow Circle reported her neighbor threw a bucket of water on her burn pile and they are now in a physical fight. When the neighbor left to get another bucket of water she reportedly hit the caller in the hand with the bucket. A report was taken.

Todd Juvinall

53-47. I am waiting for all those glowing stories from the media about a white female winning a Senate seat against all odds. But all I hear are crickets.

'''M'''

,,,Bill944am,,,No Burn Day means no!!!,,,unless it is a burn day!!!

George Rebane

BillT 944am - Not to worry Mr Tozer, I'm sure with all the finely honed wheels between your ears, you will always figure out the best repository for your next dose of wisdom ;-)

But do be careful of Mr M. The man knows how to selectively endorse vigilantism - take care not to fall on his wrong side.

fish

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 28 November 2018 at 09:46 AM

I am waiting for all those glowing stories from the media about a white female winning a Senate seat against all odds.


They did Todd…..but it was about Krysten Sinema instead of the new one…..whats her name? Jekyll and Hyde……?


Anyway politics aside Sinema is far easier on the eyes!

***M***

,,,where fake news comes from,,,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtCSq9HWkAQOXJC.jpg:large

***M***

,,,Vigilantism, Hah!!!

It was a case a citizen -spark- arrestor!!!

Bill Tozer

Second verse same as the first. If Meuller can’t find the evidence, we will!

Despite Leftmedia spin, the news is a blow to the Trump/Russia collusion narrative. Lacking evidence to support the collusion charge, Mueller seemingly needs someone connected to both the Trump campaign and the Russians who is willing to testify to the allegation. Mueller may have determined Manafort is not that man.

However, like clockwork, as soon as another piece of the vacuous collusion narrative begins to fall apart, the mainstream media runs to the rescue by peddling the latest dubiously sourced “bombshell” report. This time it came from The Guardian, which reported that “unnamed sources” claimed Manafort held “secret talks” with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in the spring of 2016 — mere months before the organization released the hacked emails of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta. Boom! The collusion evidence we’ve long been waiting for!

So, once again in the era of Trump Derangement Syndrome, the MSM rushes to uncritically publish any story that promotes a negative story against Trump — especially when it’s directly related to the Left’s favorite narrative: Trump/Russia collusion. No need to waste time on checking facts or sourcing evidence. So long as there are unnamed sources, every bit of hearsay will be published as if it were the gospel truth. And media pundits wonder why the vast majority of people have so little trust in the MSM.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/59712-another-msm-bombshell-on-trump-slash-russia-collusion-falls-apart?fbclid=IwAR0z78h03kQbY9uLZ0SW_JUckvV54s_mqiLq0eqEutnns085ZEzX1k4XVx8

Hmmm. The soon to be Democrat House has already signaled that after the Meuller report, they will keep on investigating to find what Meuller missed. If Meuller can’t find it, we will!

George Rebane

re BillT 1059am - That "keep on investigating until we find the evidence (that must be there)" is a core practice of the Left against their enemies inaugurated by J.V.Stalin in the 1930s.

It now appears that had my escrow Mueller recommendation been carried out, the envelope would be empty of evidence, thereby confirming the continuance of the witch hunt.
https://www.theunion.com/opinion/columns/george-rebane-escrow-the-witch-hunt/

Walt

LIB "fake" news lives by "unnamed sources" to propagate their cancer.
The sooner "unnamed sources" are outlawed the better off legit press would be. "the press" should be held accountable for what they publish. They sure love their "freedom of the press" in the 1ST Amendment, yet continuously abuse that right, and people's lives get ruined.

***M***

,,,fake news,,,you decide

https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-excoriates-trump-apos-140551771.html

Walt

Ya Dougy,, "O" has been trying to take credit for everything great Trump has done. Trump has given back most of what "O" took away.
The 8 years "O" was in office would be the hardest.

Only Proggys like you would still back and believe Obummer.

He claimed no scandals. So what was Fast & furious gun running?
IRS weaponizing? Hillary's pay for play? A video was the reason for another 9/11 attack,, etc. etc......

No NONE of that happened o his watch.

Walt

NOT fake news,, for the VARY silent Buzzard of Broad St.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/27/mississippi-senate-runoff-espy-hyde-smith-1021285
"Hyde-Smith had 54 percent of the vote to Espy’s 46 percent with 95 percent of precincts reporting after the Associated Press called the race. The result means Republicans will hold a 53-47 majority in the Senate next year, and it makes Hyde-Smith the first woman elected to represent Mississippi in the Senate. She will have to run for reelection to a full term in 2020, after being appointed to fill Thad Cochran's seat earlier this year."

***M***

,,,way to change the subject Walter

Don Bessee

Talk about a massive narrative fail-

All the breathless reporting on Manafort having multiple visits with Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy before and around the email leak have melted like cotton candy in the rain.

His passports in the courts file show no entry stamps for any of the dates cited by the Guardian!

;-)

Bill Tozer

At last! A counter to fakenews.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296/1487783224689043/?type=3&source=54&ref=page_internal

Bill Tozer

More Fakenews. It’s hard to keep up. This one is a no-brainer: “one of “hate”.

“A group of nooses discovered hanging off trees near the Mississippi state Capitol were not a warning from a white supremacist group, but rather a "protest" by leftists against Mississippi Republican Senate candidate Cindy Hyde-Smith.

“Mainstream media organizations melted down on Monday after a number of nooses were found hanging in the vicinity of the capitol building, strung from trees as part of a "message" campaign — though the Associated Press, which first reported the story, didn't give much more information about the "message" the nooses were trying to send, only that it was one of "hate."

“Signs placed near the nooses but reported only as "hate" messages by the Associated Press and others, had plenty of information about who hung the nooses and why. But weirdly, the signs didn't appear on anyone's Twitter feed until late Monday evening, nearly 12 hours after news of the display went viral.

“The signs indicated that the nooses were part of a protest by Democrats, warning against re-electing Hyde-Smith.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38761/nooses-found-near-mississippi-state-capitol-turn-emily-zanotti

Don Bessee

And the beat goes on... Its not like there might be a war brewing in Europe or anything, oh wait -

The White House did not block CIA Director Gina Haspel from participating in a briefing on Wednesday for the U.S. Senate about the war in Yemen and U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia, a spokesman for the agency said.
"The notion that anyone told Director Haspel not to attend today's briefing is false," agency spokesman Timothy Barrett said in a statement.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-says-white-house-did-not-block-director-201519269.html

;-)

Bill Tozer

Re addendum: words and meanings

Let’s talk immigration. ‘Migrant’ is a good example, indeed. Read the transcript of some “journalist/commentator/panelist going off about the caravan in Tijuana. She only used the word migrant to voice her outrage. Then she made a slip when she said her parents migrated to this country legally and now she wonders if the migrants in Tijuana will have the same opportunity as her parents did. Then, of course, the reference to Ellis Island.

How many came through Ellis Island illegally? Hmmm. Please answer. I won’t hold my breath waiting.

By changing the characterization of those without papers living here not legally to undocumented immigrants, it becomes something akin to migrants just needing some documents or some missing paperwork or perhaps even clerical errors. It’s in the mail. What that term ‘undocumented immigrants’ does it take it out of the legal arena. The legal term is illegal alien. So, it’s not longer about a legal issue, it’s a document issue.

Couple that now with the policing of words by the thought police control freaks and “social justice” and we come to the point where calling anyone illegal or undocumented is dehumanizing. Dehumanization is a Bozo no-no. Hate speech. Degrading. Hurts ones feelings. Illegal immigrant? It’s Nazi time! Thus the only acceptable term to be used is ‘migrant’.

Bottomline: Censorship becomes free speech and free speech becomes censorship.

https://m.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10156041830570914/?type=3&source=48


George Rebane

re BillT 959pm - for more on 'immigrants bamboozle' see above commentary and these -
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2007/12/when-you-own-th.html
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2010/05/the-porous-borders-and-amnesty-act.html

Bill Tozer

@9:16.
Thanks Dr. Rebane. I should have addressed by comment more specially to you with my ‘Migrant’ is a good example, indeed“ comment. Reading your excellent addendum inspired more discussion (repeating) the topic. I found this one line able compelling.

– in short, you can’t think thoughts that your language does not support. The impact of such a deficit on the advancement of a culture should be obvious, as should be the persistence of such a deficit if custom or tradition in the culture makes expanding language a taboo.

Worth repeating: you cannot think thoughts your language does not support.

In the Australian movie “The Gods Must Be Crazy”, it was pointed out that the aboriginal language had no word for “mine”. Thus when a discarded soda bottle fell from the sky, problems arose with what to do with it and it’s ownership.

Words like hate speech have lost their meaning if it now means something anyone could take offense to. Assualt is now a sideways glance? Or not dropping everything, bending over backwards, and not going out of one’s way to make another not feel insecure is now “hostile.”
Well, excuse me, oh snowflake, for not being a mind reader....or being absent minded or thinking about something other than you and not addressing your feelings....you hid it well. Best to toughen up, Buttercup, and try to adjust to the world instead having the world conform to you...dear social justice warriors.

And immigrant is now becoming ‘migrant.’

George Rebane

BillT 1045am - Yes, indeed - agreed.

Gregory

"Worth repeating: you cannot think thoughts your language does not support."

I vigorously disagree.

It is NOT impossible... just a whole lot harder. Until you or someone else figures out the problem and invents a word or words to make the thought easier to have and to communicate to others.

George Rebane

Gregory 1213pm - If you have discovered some S-W workarounds, then I suggest that you vigorously publish ;-)

Until then, S-W has been a pretty good predictor of reliable communications and/or what's required to make them reliable. The tech world has seen the most ardent students of S-W, inventing/expanding language as if it were coming out of a fire hose. I have yet to see a techie struggle to express some new discovery/process/algo using existing language - he instantly (if not sooner) expands the language, defining it rigorously, and communicates to co-workers then the peers in his field. This instantly expands thought and the field explodes in the direction of the new language. Have you witnessed otherwise?

Gregory

It isn't a S-W workaround, George. It's the mother of speech invention. Otherwise we'd be communicating in gruntish and not getting much done.

The claim I was disputing was "Worth repeating: you cannot think thoughts your language does not support." You can. You just can't get others excited about those ideas until you figure out how to communicate them.

You certainly can think thoughts your language does not support... until you learn a new vocabulary or invent one. A friend of mine, in the late 1990's, was trying to help his daughter with her algebra homework only to find his A student didn't know such fundamental terms as numerator, denominator, minimum common denominator, etc. It made communication difficult.

Whole math (in that case, it was "CPM Algebra") strikes again. A few years earlier when I was trying to warn him about the math being taught in the Grass Valley School District, his point of view was that was all simple stuff being left out, and his kids would pick it up when they needed it.

George Rebane

Gregory 117pm - The strong point S-W makes that has been well corroborated by anthropologists, studying more primitive (especially isolated) peoples, is that the simpler their language, the more stunted are their societies compared to those with more complex languages. This has indicated to many (me included) over the years that S-W were correct, and their theory has had and continues to have great predictive power. As I said, this is science, so the opportunity for falsifiability abounds.

Bill Tozer

Gregory, ok, nothing is impossible. It’s just harder for us non-techies and “normies” as those who do not see math as the language of harmony. I see things in pictures I cannot express.

Nutshell: the bastardization of words for control of thought, speech, and power.


A point I was trying to make is the control of the meaning of common words and who controls their meaning to convey more than the word implies. Hate speech is more along the lines of the Supreme Court’s definition of pornography to my simple mind. You know it when you see it. If one can redifine or expand the meaning of a word to bastardize its meaning and implications, one controls the speech. Thus, free speech becomes censorship and censorship becomes free speech.
Example:
Is it hate speech to deadname someone? Is that really hate speech? This week alone one conservative and one Liberal were banned from Twitter for using “hate speech” via the new buzz phrase ‘deadnaming’. Deadnaming is calling someone by their name or pronoun before they switched their names, self identified gender, or preferred pronoun. Is it hate speech to say US government convicted Bradley Manning of crimes? The government did not try and convict Chelsea Manning and Bruce Jenner won the decathlon at the Olympic Games and got HIS face on the box of Wheaties, not Catayln Jenner. The unpardonable sin of hate speech the two banned twitterers were guilty of were one said “A man is a man” and the liberal woman who is involved in the oldest rape crisis center in Vancouver, B.C. said, “A man is not a woman.” She also referred to the man in question not by her preferred pronoun, thus doing the double whammy of deadnaming hate speech and hate speech.

Although former Evergreen State College professor made news by his refusal to go along with the “voluntary” participation in the Day of Absence of White People and label forever as a racist, his problems began when he looked at the science of biology....XX and XY chromosomes. If the racist label did not sink him, the “hate speech” would have in due time. :)

Words. A fine young lassie once asked be why I ave not asked for her hand in marriage. My answer was the wedding song has never been written that expresses the words I feel for her.....

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1489005781233454/?type=3&source=48

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1490953484372017/?type=3&source=48.

Bill Tozer

More on words....from SCOTUS’s 8-0 decision before Kavanaugh

The FWS designated the 1,544 acres a “critical habitat” even though (1) no such frog has inhabited them for half a century and (2) none could live long there unless the land were substantially modified (e.g., trimming the canopy, producing suitable undergrowth, and experiencing fires that the acres’ loblolly pines cannot withstand) and (3) the loss of the acres could cost the owners $34 million in lost timber-farming and development opportunities.

Writing in the manner of a schoolmarm whose patience has been sorely tried by a slow pupil, Roberts said: “According to the ordinary understanding of how adjectives work, ‘critical habitat’ must also be ‘habitat.’ Adjectives modify nouns — they pick out a subset of a category that possesses a certain quality.”.....

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/supreme-court-decision-dusty-gopher-frog-administrative-state/

Love the line “Writing in the manner of a schoolmarm whose patience has been sorely tried by a slow,pupil....”

George Rebane

BillT 1129am - Bravo! Keep 'em coming Mr Tozer.

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