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21 November 2018

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Scott O

I'm surprised you devoted a whole post for this topic. As you point out - much worse goes on all the time and will again soon, if not already. I've already posted my take a while ago on your blog. It comes under the heading of 'too bad, so sad'.
99% of the hand-wringing over Mr K is nothing more than Trump Derangement Syndrome. In other words - if this had happened when Obama was POTUS, Obama would have scraped and bowed before the House Of Saud.
Oh wait - actually he did, didn't he?
But that was OK because Obama was just sooooo cool.
I'll say it again - if you want America to start trouble over this then start trouble with the worst offenders.
But, but, but - golly! That might mean war with China!!!!
Oh, I see - and here I had thought you were all in for truth and justice.
Now go back to America's Funniest Home Videos and leave the world's affairs to the adults in the room.
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Todd Juvinall

8 Mexican journalist killed murdered this year.

Todd Juvinall

Here is a article on planetwide murders and rapes of media people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/journalist-murder-deaths-viktoria-marinova-khashoggi-press-freedom-reporter-a8575861.html

Paul Emery

When the truth comes out we will see the extent of business conducted by the Trump family through Saudi Arabia and the Royal Family specifically. Then we will see the reason for Trumps smooching up to a vicious killer and despicable human being.

Todd Juvinall

Oh Paul Emery you are so funny. If you want to see someone tell his personal story that you should emulate watch this Larry Elder piece. But you are no Larry Elder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oww-4wdrvgI

Bill Tozer

How dare you here or anyone call the agent of the Saudi Government and the dethroned Prince a journalist. How dare you. And Al Gore is a journalist, right?

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/jamal-khashoggi-the-man-and-the-myth.php

George Rebane

For those wanting to quibble about the numbers -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_and_media_workers_killed_in_Mexico

***M***

,,,As we put our hands to our hearts and pledge allegiance to the flag we try to tell ourselves that we absolve ourselves of all the dirty deeds and people Amerika has killed or let be killed in the name of the GNP!!!

***M***

,,,trumpski’s lover Putin ‘we think’ has poisoned many dissidents.
But we have video proof that MBS is a first degree murderer!!!
But that is ok with the local yahoos with their ‘murican’ flags pasted on the bumpers of their trucks
Ignorance is bliss!!!!

Scott O

Amazing how the left wing know-nothings flock in here to validate my post.
from Paul Emery - "...a vicious killer and despicable human being"
Oh, well said little coward boy! And what of the thousands of other such folk?
From little coward boy - "I didn't vote for them."
Say - I have an idea.
Why doesn't little coward boy go out and personally expose all of the same sort of folk in the world?
Answer - because he's little coward boy.
I'm just laughing at how these morons actually believe themselves to be virtuous.
Just what are they personally willing to do themselves about all of the injustice in the world?
Well, nothing - but desk pounding and virtue signalling is soooo much fun.

Bonnie McGuire

Ya never know what'll show up. Here's one today that's a good one to remember regarding the news etc. There are a number of YouTube versions of Rep. Nancy Pelosi as she outlines the smear tactic "If you say it and repeat it often, it becomes the truth." This dishonest political warfare's getting pretty obvious to those who pay attention. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GMBeUORJWj4
That's why Joseph Goebbels added that the technique works only as long as the people don't suffer any consequences from the lie. Truth is the mortal enemy to the lie...and consequently the mortal enemy of the state. Therefore beware when the state resorts to suppressing freedom of speech. Amazing that Pelosi claims "we don't engage in this." One of the comments below the YouTube is that they just did it to Kavanaugh.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

Bill Tozer

Saudi Arabia was formered when the House Of Saud conquered most of the four regions of Arabia (including Riyadh, the ancestral homeland of the House of Saud’s family) and made a deal with the warlords on the Arabian Peninsula, Those warlords were/are of the ultra conservative Muslim line of Wabbabi (Sunni), the dominate culture of Saudi Arabian life today. An absolute monarchy, Saudi Arabia has the largest economy in the Middle Easy and the only country whose shores touches both the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. But more importantly, the hereditary dictatorship that rules Saudi Arabia has an uneasy truce (understanding) with the radical ultra orthodox Wabbabi leadership. The 911 hijackers from Saudi Arabia were of this line of Muslim faith.
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“If the authoritarian faction with which Khashoggi was aligned comes to power, his execution may have some relevance. But even in that scenario, the U.S. will either be able make or deal with that regime based on mutual interests or it won’t. The new ruling faction is unlikely to let sentimental feelings about Khashoggi stand in the way.

“The Washington Post is, of course, outraged over Trump’s decision. Its publisher says:

“President Trump is correct in saying the world is a very dangerous place. His surrender to this state-ordered murder will only make it more so.

“For whom? As discussed above, the decision is unlikely to make it a more dangerous place for the United States.

“In an editorial, the Post concludes that the alternative to the U.S. holding the current Saudi regime accountable for killing Khashoggi is “a world where dictators know they can murder their critics and suffer no consequences.”

“The Saudi regime likely will suffer some relatively minor consequences. A world in which dictators suffer no major consequences for murdering critics is the world as it is and has always been.

“We’re creeping towards a world in which dictators sometimes suffer major consequences for mass murder. A world in which the murder of one critic causes another nation to reverse its national security policy and inflict economic damage on itself is another matter.

“There is no moral imperative that the U.S. try to usher in such a world, and the promotion of American interests militates against doing so in this case.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/205938.php

JeffPelline

This post is more sick than usual. On Thanksgiving, no less.

Don Bessee

The trolls and their feigned indignation wrapped in TDS is almost funny when you realize their depth of historical perspective is measured in microns!

Then there is the socialist liberals love of the muslim brotherhood that fits nicely with their hate for Israel and that's why they find themselves acting as willing stooges for team Iran/Turkey.


;-)

Bill Tozer

Too funny. Proposing sanctions against 12 people that are slated to be executed anyway. If a “journalist” from Pravda broke with President Putin and backed Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, would that make the government mouthpiece rom Pravda a journalist by our use of the word? Democracy is a foreign concept to Khashoggi, one he never advocated or embraced.

Bottomline: it’s a complex issue with many moving parts.

Round an round we go where it stops nobody knows.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutfeld-on-trumps-response-to-khashoggi

JeffPelline

It sounds like Don has his "undies in a bunch" (to quote Rebane, not me) this week now that Shannan Moon is Sheriff! As for this post, it's defending the indefensible — on our "community" radio station. What's up with that Paul Emery? Yuck.
;-)

Bill Tozer

Fat Boy @ 6:12 pm

It’s not Thanksgiving. But, I am grateful that any one who lays eyes upon you are instantly thankful that they are not a freak of nature like you. But for the grace of God....

Thank you for making me grateful.

Don Bessee

The Dark Lord of Liberal Lament Land @622 will be disappointed to learn that we are friends! LOL

;-)

JeffPelline

"Fat boy?" "undies in a bunch"? I guess that sums up the caliber of the commentary here.

Scott O

Jeffy P-Line at 6:02: Actually quite apropos in regards to our nation's Thanking God for our blessings. Better here than in any one of hundreds of other God-less S-holes. In our nation, even small-bit hustlers and grifters get full on protection of our laws. Not so in most other countries.
Get on your knees and thank God for the protections you have here vs the casual taking of life and liberty in other countries.
If you think Trump should take other measures against the House of Saud, remember that according our nation's 'equal application of law' we should then take equal action against all other nations involved in the same crime.
Got it, idiot?

JeffPelline

Don,
"Friends" with Shannan Moon? You use the term loosely. Your BFF, Keith Royal, endorsed the loser. And your name doesn't show up in her endorsements https://www.moonforsheriff2018.com/supporters/
;-)

Scott O

Oh Jeffy... You're off topic and changing the subject.
Jus' saying.
So much for what ever so-called education and upbringing you had.
Sorry, but here - your money buys no respect.
Try to push yourself away from the buffet and respond s'il vous plaît.

Bill Tozer

“What's up with that Paul Emery? Yuck.”

Perhaps you can throw your weight around and have Paul Emery censored. It’s your thing. No very true to democratic principles, but silencing others what makes you unique. Frisco Values on full display.
Surely you have some connections in high places and influence in Quainty Town to pull the strings and get Rebane off the air and Paul Emery severely punished. I reckon you are even more impotent that Paul Emery.

BTW, how did it go going getting the Bonanza Market to remove that ghastly Kangeroo Jerky sign? Horrible, just horrible. Ruined your scrumptious fruit smoothie and you had to cover your boy’s eyes so he would not have his smoothie ruint as well. Good job, freakazoid.

Don Bessee

A little perspective from the national interest -

Trump Is Right About Saudi Arabia

What the human-rights crowd—suddenly loud and proud after eight years of silence under Obama and his drone wars—has sought would have fundamentally hurt American interests.

At its heart, the Khashoggi affair is about the killing of someone who was not, at that point, a U.S. citizen in a country over which the United States has no jurisdiction. True, Khashoggi was an opinion writer and analyst for the Washington Post. At the Washington Post he wrote such gems as “The U.S. is wrong about the Muslim Brotherhood,” which the newspaper published not only in English but also Arabic. Many Arab governments make no distinction between the Brotherhood and Hamas, and view both as terrorist organizations.

In the real world, the conduct of the Saudis is startling but far from unique. Among other U.S. allies, Turkish president Tayyip Erdogan, who scored diplomatic points against his regional rival over the Khashoggi killing, has dozens of journalists and political opponents rotting in his jails. Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte wholeheartedly endorses extrajudicial killing by police. And among U.S. adversaries, journalists and other opponents of governments like those in China and Iran have short life expectancies.

The breakdown of relations that the critics of Saudi Arabia now seek, and which Trump firmly rejected with his statement of support for the alliance with Saudi Arabia, is not a novel concept. There’s even a clear example in the Middle East. In response to human-rights violations by the Shah of Iran, then-President Jimmy Carter went wobbly on his support for the Iranian monarch in 1979. The move helped usher in the Iranian Revolution and the Islamic Republic, which to this day throws political opponents in Evin Prison in Tehran and executes gays by hanging them from construction cranes. Oops.
More to the point, Iran challenges U.S. interests around the Middle East. In effect, we are still dealing with the consequences of high-minded but dumb decisions that created today’s Iran.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-saudi-arabia-180200209.html

;-)

George Rebane

Did anyone notice Pelline contributing to the topic of my commentary? OK, then did anyone notice Pelline dishing out the same old crap? Methinks the man again has less than nothing to contribute here.

Todd Juvinall

Did I read a condemnation of Pelline's fellow "journalists" on the eight murdered in Mexico? Crickets of course. No Trump in that.

And of course Pelline supports SF as a sanctuary city which made it possible for an illegal alien to murder Kate Steinle. Did I see a post by him on that?

Bill Tozer

7:17 pm

I was waiting for His Lardship to start going after Crabb and Boardman, in addition to you, Don, Todd, and Paul Emery. That’s Mr. Boardman and Mr. Emery, oh Whooper with cheese.
Figured he was just upset cause he couldn’t get his hands in the turkey cavity to pull out the package of giblets. Off topic, out of here.

JeffPelline

Whenever George starts to lose an argument, he deletes the comments. He's a dictator. No surprise there!

Todd Juvinall

BillT you are soooo funny!

Scott O

What about anybody being murdered in countries where murder is what happens when you get out of line?
I'd love to have these left-wing moralists list exactly what Trump should do vis a vis Saudi Arabia and then explain why we should not do the same against all other countries in the world doing the same.
Uh - because they'd kick our ass.
Well yeah - so be real brave against weaklings and cower in the face of power.
Sounds like a left wing type of deal.
Haven't heard one word in defence of anything else.
Lefties - it's your turn.
Tell us - just when is cold blooded murder bad and when is it not?
Waiting.

Paul Emery

I assume Don Bessee supported the Republican Party endorsing Bill Smethers for Sheriff. Support from the Republicans is now a kiss of death for anyone running for office in Nevada County.

Did you support the endorsement Don? A simple yes or no will do. If she is your "friend" Don why didn't you support her? by the way are you a member of the Nevada County Republican Central Committee?

Bill Tozer

Oh Scott, the only thing that is good is virtue signaling....and some satification f claiming moral superiority. That’s the whole ball of wax.

It’s up to the King to rein his son in. Those ‘freedoms’ for women being allowed to drive met with heavy resistance from the Wahhabis.

The United States allowed the Saudi Arbarian goverment propaganda minister K-hash-hoggie (a Saudi citizen) to live here. He had protections here. But, if the man decided to go walking around that bastion of human rights nation Turkey, well that’s a different story. And to step foot on Saudi soil via the embassy in Turkey....well, can’t fix stupid. Nothing personal, it’s just business.

Don Bessee

The pony tail of ignorance is going off thread again but a little education is a good thing, Shannon was a Republican until April. The NCRP has to endorse an R in contested elections.

It sounds like the handbook for socialist liberals does not let you be friends with anyone who is not a socialist liberal. We have no such restrictions!

;-)

Paul Emery

Did you personally support Shannon for Sheriff Don?

Paul Emery

George


Do you really believe Trump when he says has no business deals with Saudi Arabia? How about his family
Trump quote:
"I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia."

George Rebane

PaulE 839pm - Yes, until proven otherwise.

Don Bessee

We all have financial and security interests in the Kingdom. Greg Gutfeld summed it up nicely;

If you say the prince is guilty, you're committing poker suicide by folding, while holding all the best cards. Sure, playing your moral ace might please the media.But winning their approval wins America nothing. It just wastes a great opportunity.

But hold off and say, "maybe, maybe not," and you come out ahead. And the pot you want to win impacts your country’s happiness.

If you've spent your life playing this game, keeping your cards close and waiting, you know: America has the Saudis over a barrel. Millions of barrels, really. And in negotiations, that means you can get something big from them, that you couldn't get before.

Like what?

Middle East progress? A chance for peace in Palestine and Israel? The ability to influence oil prices?
Who knows?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutfeld-on-trumps-response-to-khashoggi

;-)

Paul Emery

George

His family as well I assume and that would include Kushner. What would you propose if it's shown conclusively that he does have financial interests?

Tricky McClean

Juvinall?
Juvinall?
Juvinall?
Juvinall?
Juvinall?
Juvinall?
Juvinall?
I didn’t previously ask Todd a question, but I thought it would be fun to utilize some of the idiomatic idioms often used on this blog to feign sophistication.

Bill Tozer

Tricky, please try to stay on topic. Yes, not all can muster the discipline or self control at all times to accomplish such a feat, but keep trying until you get it right. To the Sandbox with you.

Peace out bro, dig your fro. Gimme five on he white side.

fish

Posted by: Tricky McClean | 21 November 2018 at 09:10 PM

Feign sophistication....?


A line from Ferris Buellers Day Off......? You should try harder!

Todd Juvinall

Where do these trolls come from GeorgeR?

Bill Tozer

Whole lot of assuming going on.

“I assume Don Bessee supported the...” @8:09 pm

“His family as well I assume and”. @ 9:07 pm

At least our Popinjay took it over to the Sandbox. Fish and Todd don’t need to stay on topic. A little personality goes a long way. :)

Jeff Pelline

Bill,
You need counseling.

Gregory

Jeff, you need sleep.

Gregory

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" -attr. to Henry II, of the soon to be assassinated Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas à Becket, in 1170.

Compared to Stalin, the House of Saud and Henry II are, or were, rank amateurs.

scenes

Former editor
Looks up from a piece of pie
To share his wisdom

re: Khashoggi.

Given who his uncle is, his ties to the Saudi Royal family, and opaque nature of Arab politics, it's hard to get worked up by a foreign national murdered in a foreign embassy by foreign agents in a foreign country. There's more important fish to fry and is likely just more business as usual. Of course, somehow blaming Trump for this is business as usual.

Like Kipling sez: "East of Suez men do not build towers on the tops of hills for the sake of the view, nor do they stripe the mountain side with bastioned stone walls to keep in cattle."

Middle Eastern politics is best left to it's practitioners.

Gregory

Scenes, it's a Saudi national being murdered by the House of Saud on Saudi soil within the old borders of the former Ottoman Empire who were the perpetrators of the Armenian Genocide just a century ago.

Nice guys all around.

fish

Posted by: Jeff Pelline | 22 November 2018 at 02:36 AM


“.....and there are people who post late at night!! “


Paraphrased from yet another of Pork Linkersons frequent complaints! 2:36 in the morning.....what’s up with that jeffy?!

Paul Emery

Nice guys right Gregory and pals of Trump and his family. Do you believe Trump when he says he has no business deals with the Saudis?

Paul Emery

Todd

Do you believe Trump when he says he has no business dealings with the Saudis?

Todd Juvinall

Yes

Paul Emery

Got you on the record for that. thanks

Does that include his family members as well?

Paul Emery

Direct quote from Trump Todd

"“Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million,” Trump told a crowd at an Alabama campaign rally in 2015. “Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

Todd Juvinall

Only you TDS types care. He was a provate citizen then and had investments all over the worls. That is what it is to be an entrepreneur. My goodness you must be off your meds.

Bill Tozer

Iran or Saudi Arabia? DC Establishment gets everything wrong about Tump’s stance on Saudii Arabia.

The rise of Trump and his foreign policy is noteworthy in part because it wasn’t that long ago that dissent against the elite foreign policy consensus was treated as unacceptable, with National Review famously and viciously calling those of us who questioned the invasion of Iraq “Unpatriotic Conservatives.” On the left, the anti-invasion activists were treated more favorably during that war but they mostly disappeared when, instead of Bush, it was Barack Obama overseeing the continued wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the invasion of Libya, and the killing of untold numbers via drone strikes in faraway lands. It was a broadly bipartisan group of elites who agreed on when and where to go to war “spread democracy and American values.”

http://thefederalist.com/2018/11/21/dc-establishment-gets-almost-everything-wrong-trumps-saudi-posture/

Keep up with those fake scandals, Punchy. Foreign policy is not your cup of tea. One needs to contain multiple issues and multiple circumstances and multiple concepts in one’s noggin simultaneously. It’s not for linear thinking.


Paul Emery

So Todd you are convinced he no longer has any business dealings with Saudi Arabia as he was quoted in saying on Tuesday "no financial interests in Saudi Arabia."

Todd Juvinall

Jeeze Paul Emery I already answered you. Since you are so sure Bush lied to get us into war in the middle east and you espouse outrage about the American deaths there I would guess you'd be happy with Trump keeping us out of a war there. But alas, you are in the throes of TDS and can't make any sense.

Gregory

"Nice guys right Gregory and pals of Trump and his family."

Paul, how typical of you to completely misrepresent a statement of mine, followed by an inane leading question.

Only in The Wizard of Id in the Sunday comic pages does an unguarded cry of "The King is a Fink" lead to a survivable and funny interlude in a dungeon, without loss of life or limb. Absolute power and all that. Kings are leftovers from medieval times.

"I'ma getting Medieval on yo' ass" means what to you, Punchy?

Paul Emery

Sorry Gregory. I thought you'd appreciate a bit sarcasm. Do you believe Trump when he says he has no personal financial dealings with Saudi Arabia?

Gregory

Punchy: do you know what the difference between ignorance and apathy?

Gregory

an "is" is missing from my 1252

Paul Emery

Gregory certainly the end results can be the same. For example blindly accepting anything Trump says as true,as do Todd and others on this blog and apathy, meaning having no interest in involvement or action, do the same disservice and allow the liars and manipulators to run free with no resistance.

Paul Emery

Definitions I agree with

Apathy is a state of indifference, or the suppression of emotions such as concern, excitement, motivation, or passion. An apathetic individual has an absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical, or physical life and the world.

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. The word ignorant is an adjective that describes a person in the state of being unaware, and can describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts, or individuals who are unaware of important information or facts.

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 22 November 2018 at 12:52 PM


Punchy: do you know what the difference between ignorance and apathy?


It appears that Punch doesn’t know......and doesn’t really care!


Really Gregory......You would get a better response showing a dog a card trick!

George Rebane

PaulE 107pm - I wonder how you perceived the ‘blind acceptance’ of and ‘apathy’ about Obama’s and his administrations statements during 2009-17 period. Thoughts?

Paul Emery

I didn't vote for Obama second time George and not for Hillary last time. That was my personal reaction. You seem to accept Trump and his lies and disgusting personal demeanor as acceptable because the end results please you. We have had this discussion in person many times. Things have reached a crisis now where I welcome divided government as a desirable stand in till something better comes along.

Paul Emery

Off to a family gathering

Cheers

George Rebane

PaulE 123pm - You didn't answer my 116pm and changed the subject instead. Perhaps I was unclear. My question was about your perception of how the Left perceived the public claims of Team Obama.

But as I've stated many times before - I do overlook the bluster, braggadocio, and showmanship copy (i.e. his talk) coming out of Trump. I don't consider his bodacious claims of 'best', 'most', 'first', ... as lies any more than I do a detergent braying that it is 'the best for all your pots and pans'. But I pay a lot of attention to his walk that results in his executed policies, passed legislation, regulatory rollbacks, securing the border, ..., and in general his unabashed promotion of 'America first' which you and yours lie to your poorly read constituents as being 'America über alles!'

Todd Juvinall

After Paul Emery brown nosing Obama and the democrats for eight years it is refreshing to see a change at least in the Senate and with Trump. He cracks me up. But dimwits in America don't get his humor and if they did they could start weaning themselves of their sourpuss.

Paul Emery

So Todd you have now reduced Trump to being a comedian. I agree completely. As a President he is a joke.

Todd Juvinall

Smoking the ganja again there Paul Emery? Is your nose still brown or did you clean it off after Obama left office?

Bill Tozer

Todd
Sounds like somebody did not have a good Thanksgiving evening last night with family. I am so thankful for meat. Bet Walter is in hogs heaven today....and yesterday.

TDS is the new normal.

Topic? Oh yeah. Trump did not articulate the outrage strong enough (not even close) or the way ‘they’ wanted him to. Obama had just the right tone and demeanor and eloquence of words.

Let’s see. We have KKKavenaugh, KKKaravan, and KKKhashoggie. It is a threat to our democracy. Say what?

George Rebane

A bit of gratuitous pedagogy - In the English vernacular, a person being a 'comedian' and being a 'joke' have widely different meanings that the learned never confuse. Being a comedian denotes a person's skills in the delivery of comedy and humor. A person being ascribed to be a joke means that the person himself is the embodiment of comedy and the source of humor without making the conscious effort to be so identified. To be called a joke is a common pejorative, to be a comedian is not.

Gregory

Like all too many of Punchy's comments, his 1028am is based on an intentional mangling of someone else's words and intent.

Paul, why do you do that? Is twisting the words of others into straw men to pummel the only way you can "win"?

Paul Emery

Oh George you know what I mean. I thought you had a sense of humor.

Never got your deeper analysis of the Rasmussen Polls Gregory. Still working on it?

George Rebane

PaulE 1222pm - And here all along I thought that you have never gotten President Trump's humor. TDS is such a burden.

Todd Juvinall

Mark Steyn let that idiot Judge Tigar have it today. He pondered why this Judge forces all of us law-abiding Americans to remove our shoes and pumpkin pies before flying while allowing 6 billion planet earthers to come waltzing across out border without scrutiny. It is pretty amazing hubris of that loon judge.

Todd Juvinall

I see Paul Emery when he is caught being dopey tries to claim humor. Doesn't work.

Gregory

Punchy 1222pm

I never promised "a deeper analysis of the Rasmussen Polls", Punch. What did I write that you twisted into that pretzel?

Paul Emery

Sorry for the misunderstanding Gregory. Since you are not into justifying Rasmussen missing the mark by 7 points in the election I assume you accept their incompetence in not even coming close in their polling. Fox was right on the money with Dems up by 7.

Paul Emery

George

Somehow Trump is not very funny to me when he makes jokes about pussy grabbing and bragging that woman cannot resist him because he is rich and famous. Do you consider that humor?

Paul Emery

George

Do you equate his infamous pussy grabbing statement with
detergent ads " braying that it is 'the best for all your pots and pans'?

George Rebane

PaulE 223pm - These interests of yours are off topic here. Please take them to the sandbox. My fault for letting things get away from the topic.

Walt

So the Arabs had a family squabble, and they dealt with it like they always have. That's the way things work over there.

Gregory

Punchy 217pm, you are confused and evaded my question.

Todd Juvinall

Walt is correct, this is how the Arabs deal with people. I recall them slicing off the heads of our people and not a word of condemnation from Paul Emery and his ilk. Pearl was a journalist. Paul Emery give us all a copy paste of your words then. Thanks.

Gregory

Walt is correct. That is also how monarchs deal with people.

"Consider this a divorce"- Henry VIII to a few of his wives.

Todd Juvinall

LOL!

Don Bessee

A final word on the topic -

In fact, the situation is exactly the reverse, and Gabbard should be praising Trump for advancing the cause of peace.
Trump now has the Saudis exactly where he wants them. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), once the toast of the world’s elites, is now widely portrayed as an accused murderer. President Trump could join the attack, perhaps even pushing MBS out of power and destabilizing the Saudi regime itself. Instead, Trump has positioned himself as MBS’s last and best friend. Without Trump’s support, MBS might not survive long — and he knows it.

That puts Trump in a position to make demands. He has already engineered peace talks in Yemen between the Saudi-backed government and the Iranian-backed rebels. He claims to have convinced the Saudis to increase oil production to keep prices low. And he may be able to achieve bigger things yet — such as Saudi support for an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan that would conclude the conflict on terms favorable to the United States and Israel.

Trump could, for example, instruct the Saudis to accept, and to pressure the Palestinians to accept, a peace plan that recognizes both Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and Israel’s sovereignty in Jerusalem. He could tell MBS that the burden of bankrolling the Palestinians — including the so-called “refugees” — is now his. And he could sweeten the deal by giving the Saudis some authority over Muslim holy sites in Jerusalem. MBS would be foolish to refuse.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/11/23/blue-state-blues-trump-has-the-saudis-where-he-wants-them/

;-)

Bill Tozer

Khashoggi and Trump. More to come.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=288843658408802&id=100018495094290&set=gm.518339998681504&source=48

Bill Tozer

Trump is right. The world is a dangerous place.

Saudi Arabia, friend or foe? There are no good guys over there. Ali Babba and his forty thieves.

https://buchanan.org/blog/are-the-saudi-princes-true-friends-130667

George Rebane

Who said that 'nations have interests, not friends'?

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