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23 November 2018


Todd Juvinall

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 15,897 57.5%
Joseph Crowley* 11,761 42.5
Audrey Denney(Party Preference: DEM)129,48245.0%
* Doug La Malfa(Party Preference: REP)158,159 55.0% So you can see that someone as ignorant of life and politics can get elected in a liberal district.

Bill Tozer

Compassionate Extortion: The Homeless-Industrial Complex

Regarding one of Seattle’s 400 “homeless” encampments, this one comprised of “tiny houses” run by SHARE, Rufo writes: “Even worse, the organization that runs the Licton Springs encampment, SHARE, effectively uses taxpayer money to lobby the city for more taxpayer money. They operate their encampments on a system of ‘participation credits,’ requiring residents to attend political rallies, campaign events, and city council hearings. At last year’s city income tax hearing at the King County Superior Court, I spoke with a homeless woman who lived in a SHARE encampment who explained that if she did not show up to the court proceeding, she would be kicked out of the camp for one week.”

She [Owen] explained that DESC’s focus has gone from “helping the homeless to securing government contracts, maintaining a $112 million real estate portfolio, and paying a staff of 900 people.”

Further, about DESC’s mission, Owen said, “When we started, we kept our costs low and helped people get back on their feet. [Now] It’s more important to keep staff paid than to actually help the poor become self-sufficient.” This explains how a billion dollars a year can be spent on the Seattle area’s homeless problem, it only gets worse.

So, if you ever wonder how those leftist groups get people in the streets so quickly and so often, now you know. The formula is easy: Issue “homeless” folks some fake outrage, pre-produced signs, and slap a little cash in their hands.
Or, better yet, just threaten to take away their shelter for a week if they fail to show up for the protest of the week.”


Don Bessee

How refreshing -

Mexico says it has deported nearly 100 Central American migrants a day after they tried to storm the US border.
The group, among thousands of migrants heading towards the US, was rounded up after trying to cross the border "violently" and "illegally" on Sunday, said the interior ministry.



George Boardman

Bessee, here's one for the losing column:

Bill Tozer


Oh Don, Don, Don.
Big deal about the caravan. Small potatoes. The Rio Grande Valley sector says that’s nothing, we have 5,000 crossing.....per week. The Border Patrol agent’s association said this morning that if Congress had given POTUS the 5,000 Border Patrol agents he requested two yerars ago, the military would not have beeen necessary at all. But no. The Rio Valley sector was the perfect choke point, but since Texas is undermannened, other sectors now like Lorado are now experiencing thousands of illegal crossing rivaling Rio Valley’s 5,000 per week. After waiting to be caught on the US so they can say “asylum, asylum,aslylum” they are proceeded and given a bus ticket. He said they have loaded folks up on buses with full blown HIV and folks couching blood to take for medical treatment. He said that if they tried to come in legally, we would not let sick people in, especially those with contagious diseases. How appetizing.

Anyway Don, you missed the real story. The real horrors. The real shocker. How could not see the big picture? Addicted to outrage:

“Some have even pointed out the odd decision to decorate with red Christmas trees, instead of the usual festive green, saying that they look “bloody” or reminiscent of the dystopian series The Handmaid’s Tale.”


Guess tear gas and gas chambers are synonymous. Must be a Nazi thing.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 1148am - Mr Boardman, please pay attention to my meager efforts at such coverage ;-)

George Boardman

Dr R, the Trump tax cuts were supposed to save these jobs, along with the tariffs he was going to slap on imports. It looks like the Arvil Runyons of the world have been conned again.

Meanwhile, the 1 percent are laughing all the way to their yachts.

George Rebane

GeorgeB 134pm - Mr Boardman, your reckoning on American jobs would be appreciated as a positive addition to these pages. How would you 'bottom line' (new verb) the impact on American jobs (especially for the minorities) that Trump's policies have had viz today's historic unemployment lows? Or does your Trump tally include only the jobs lost in the ongoing dynamism of the country's job markets?

BTW, good column in today's Union.

Paul Emery

Well it looks like NID's assertion that we need a new Dam because of Climate change is being verified by the the Fourth National Climate Assessments report that:

"The world's leading scientists agree that climate change is human-induced and warn that natural fluctuations in temperature are being exacerbated by human activity."

George Rebane

PaulE 256pm - Whatever it takes to build the damn thing.

Paul Emery

So George it appears that you are in agreement with NID that we need the Dam because of Climate Change.

Don Bessee

Is it going to blow big?



battlefront Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko claims Russia is preparing a GROUND INVASION as he declares martial law hours after naval clashes spark war fears



George Rebane

PaulE 308pm - A textbook example of the faulty logic you frequently apply in these pages - thank you!

Paul Emery

Just trying to point out the irony in your positions George. If NID is wrong about their view that Climate Change is the essential reason for building a Dam then you should point that out. If they don't really believe that then they are guilty of fake news by using a false reason to justify building the Dam to gather support.


Well,, "O" "saved" GM. (at a HUGE cost to us taxpayers, and not to mention screwing over bond and stock holders)
Trump made it even easier to sell cars. Maybe if GM built cars that people actually WANT TO BUY,,, things would be better.
Imagine that GM is pulling the plug on the Volt.

I have always been a GM guy. They made good trucks.(Pre-Obummer) The one I have today is 17 years old, and still runs just fine. Just one or two minor issues in all these years.
Lets see your electric ECO buggy last that long.

Paul Emery

For your reading pleasure


trump is down -22 in latest poll by the Right on the money Gallup poll.



George Rebane

PaulE 336pm - For whatever reason would I (or any other reasonable person) ever start debating with anyone who is willing to do the right thing, if even for the wrong reason? If I lose my argument re climate change, and they build the dam, it doesn't matter what I said. However, if I win and that removes their basis for building it, we all lose. That's like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Readers here know very well my positions on both the dam and on 'climate change'.


See a Doc for your O.C.D. Paul. And for your P.E.C.D., T.D.S. B.D.S., and any other D. or S. I have missed.


"Just trying to point out the irony in your positions George."
-Punchy 336pm

Bullpucky, Punch. We've been over this and it's clear as clean spring water that you're intentionally misrepresenting George's words using logical fallacies to get his goat.

There is no irony there.

Bill Tozer

“So George it appears that you are in agreement with NID that we need the Dam because of Climate Change.”

Changing gears: The source of the devil weed has been traced to the central CA coast.


Helpful hint # 447:



"Maybe if GM built cars that people actually WANT TO BUY,,, things would be better. "

It strikes me that they just have the same problems as the other companies.

. Too many car manufacturers and overproduction
. Average age of car fleet continues to increase
. Everyone is a bit lost as to what to do right now. Battery and self-driving cars aren't quite there yet, but you dont want to spend billions of dollars on a new gasoline line that might be quickly obsolete.

Answer? Back off, sell only what you know you can sell, wait a bit for any big bets.


Scenes, I remember Doug Keachie, back when the Chevy Volt was just released, taunted me with it saying I'd be buying one within a year or two. At the time I looked at the range and the fact that running the heater really drained the battery, and thought no bloody way would that ever fit my needs.

Looks like my reaction to it was shared by many.

I'm continuing to drive an ancient Saturn L300 sedan, a boring bloody four door with iffy parts availability (thanks to Obama's killing of the Saturn side of GM) but it's reliable. The wheels have not yet fallen off. Someday they will.

Bill Tozer

Oh Canada. Goodbye to the Impala. Once had a 63’ Impala I bought off a used car lot for 200 bucks, tax and fees included. Front panel smashed. Turned the key, it fired up, and drove that thing across several states from the northern border to the southern border, to the Rockies to the Pacific Ocean. Finally gave it away to a impoverished single mother with child...still running fine. :)

“If GM Canada is indeed turning its back on 100 years of industry and community — abandoning workers and families in Oshawa — then this is a callous decision that must be fought,” she said in a statement.

The Oshawa operation became a Donald Trump talking point during Canada-U.S. trade negotiations, according to a Toronto Star report about an off-the-record aside during an interview with Bloomberg News over the summer.

“Every time we have a problem with a point, I just put up a picture of a Chevrolet Impala,” the U.S. president was reported to have said. The Impala is built at the GM plant in Oshawa.


GM is closing a plant in Japan as well. At least the Cadillac will survive to live another day.

George Rebane

Administrivia: Gentlemen - did anyone notice this morning's update to Ruminations re GM? Please keep your topical comments under the relevant RR posts. Thank you.

Paul Emery

Fair enough George (4:22) So that sounds like a case of the end justifies the means. Either that or you believe that NID sincerely believes in climate change and the necessity for a Dam based on that. If that is the case then NID has joined the overwhelming numbers of climate change believers.

From NASA:

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position"


Paul Emery

Looks like the Repubs are gooing to lose another House seat-making it 40!!!

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Democrat T.J. Cox has edged ahead of Republican U.S. Rep. David Valadao in California's Central Valley, where votes continue to be counted.

Cox trailed since election night but pulled ahead by 438 votes Monday, according to new tallies in the 21st Congressional District.

The Associated Press had declared Valadao the winner but votes counted since Nov. 6 narrowed the race, and the AP retracted its race call after Monday's updated vote count gave Cox a lead.

Democrats already have seized six GOP-held House seats in the state, delivering another blow to California's long-struggling Republican Party.

Cox made the race a referendum on Valadao's support for President Donald Trump.


Bill Tozer

Q: Should those not ‘born women’ (people with testicles) be allowed to bunk and shower with women who have just been raped by people with testicles in rapeshelters?

A: That’s hate speech. Ban me.

“Twitter also recently banned “deadnaming”—the practice of referring to a trans person by his or her legal name, or birth name. This also likely played a role in Murphy’s suspensions and ultimate ban.

“Even Amnesty International voiced real disgust with Twitter’s lack of policing actually awful tweets: “Twitter’s inconsistency and inaction on its own rules not only creates a level of mistrust and lack of confidence in the company’s reporting process, it also sends the message that Twitter does not take violence and abuse against women seriously – a failure which is likely to deter women from reporting in the future.”

“Yet instead of clamping down on things like pornography, unwanted sexual advances, threats, and crude imagery, Twitter started suppressing accounts of people who didn’t embrace its preferred version of progressive ideology......”


Bill Tozer


The Gipper: “I urge you to beware the temptation … to ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of any evil empire, to simply call the arms race a giant misunderstanding and thereby remove yourself from the struggle between right and wrong, good and evil.”

For the record: “I think the [special counsel] report is going to be devastating to the president and I know that the president’s team is already working on a response to the report. … I still don’t think it’s going to make a criminal case, because collusion is not criminal.” —Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz

Non Compos Mentis: “That’s not the law. They should be allowed to come in [and] seek asylum. That’s the law.” —Rep. Elijah Cummings rejecting Trump’s plan to make caravan migrants wait in Mexico

Non sequitur: “Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime. It wasn’t for Jewish families fleeing Germany. It wasn’t for targeted families fleeing Rwanda. It wasn’t for communities fleeing war-torn Syria. And it isn’t for those fleeing violence in Central America.” —Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Hot air: “People are going to die if we don’t start addressing climate change ASAP. It’s not enough to think it’s ‘important.’ We must make it urgent. That’s why we need a Select Committee on a Green New Deal, & why fossil fuel-funded officials shouldn’t be writing climate change policy.” —Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

The BIG Lie: “We do not have Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges.” —Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts

… “I wish Chief Justice Roberts were right. I wish there were not a politicization of the judiciary. But it’s not just politicians. … It’s been happening for 50 years that we have used political terms to describe judges.” —Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC)

Don Bessee

There's the culprit in the volts demise -



Bill Tozer

Don the closet sports fan:

Shifting gears to Mississippi. Boy, this must be a prelude to the special election for Senate. For the first time in my memory, unsportsmanlike conduct was called on every player from both teams.


Bill Tozer

Twitter bans another one for no reason given, which BTW, is against Twitter’s own policy,
lol. The Iraq vet and former R canidate for Congress had the classiest response I have ever read.

Taking the high road with class, grace, and the truth.


Paul Emery


Dems win house by the most total votes in history.

The raw vote margin, which is slightly over 9 million, is the largest gap between the two parties in the history of midterms, according to Wasserman. And the 8.1% spread between Democrats and Republicans is, according to Princeton professor Sam Wang, a larger percentage-point differential than in any recent wave midterm election including 1994 (R+7.1%), 2006 (D+8.0%), 2010 (R+7.2%) and 2014 (R+5.7%)


Paul Emery

Todd writes:

"the R's were victors on election night"

Huh? the Dems flipped 40-yes that's 40 House seats and flipped 8 Governorship's. The Pubs are up 2 in the Senate. You consider that a Victory Todd? Goodness you are delusional.


Take THAT ECO nuts.
"A unanimous Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Fish and Wildlife Service was wrong to designate a 1,500 acre tract of land in Louisiana as a “critical habitat” for the endangered dusky gopher frog, even though the species has not lived there for decades.

“I am really overjoyed that an eight to nothing court agreed with me that the service’s decision was absurd and nightmarish for property rights in the United States,” landowner Edward Poitevent told The Daily Caller News Foundation in a Tuesday interview."


Keep sniveling Paul.. LIBS lost PLENTY more when "O" (the SOB you voted for) was around.
Keep digging for that pony.


,,,Sieg Heil!!!


George Rebane

M 236pm - While your "Sieg Heil!!!" does not reflect well on your historical knowledge, the report you link to is appreciated. I think Trump is off his gourd with a suggestion like that. All kinds of other countries have and continue to run state-sponsored news stations, but one dimension of America's exceptionalism is that we don't. Well almost, NPR comes real close to being the premier trumpet for all things leftward.

Paul Emery


So are you contending the Republicans "won" the mid term elections?

Paul Emery

Just speculating on what the State News Service would be like. Would the reporters and writers all be government jobs? State sponsored TV, Newspapers, Radio, Internet, Movies ??? How far would it go?

Todd Juvinall

George Rebane | 27 November 2018 at 03:11 PM Don't we already have that? Radio Free Europe and all the other ones transmitting into those crappy countries?

Todd Juvinall

Walt we actually were ahead of the democrats here in California on election night Congressional races they had targeted. But as we have seen here and across America, those late counts and delayed counts and found ballots seem to always favor a huge democrat advantage.

Paul Emery

News update

RR's favorite Judge Andrew Napolitano paints a grim picture for admitted crook Paul Manifort that will make it impossible even with a Pardon to stay out of jail.

" Napolitano explained that Mueller designed the plea agreement in such a way that it is “pardon proof.”

“The guilty plea is 175 pages long. In my career, I have never seen one like this. It was so carefully crafted by Bob Mueller and signed by Paul Manafort, that at the time he pleaded guilty to the charges he was indicted for — which was basically bank fraud, money laundering, and some form of commercial bribery of foreign officials in federal court. He also pleaded guilty to uncharged state crimes in New Jersey, in Virginia and in California.”

He added, “Why did they do that? To make it pardon proof so if President Trump, which he can do, does pardon him for the federal crimes the state prosecutors in those states already have his guilty plea.”



,,,George@311pm,,,lol,,,I have been watching '''Man in the High Castle on Amazon'''...


,,,you know it's bad when even Geraldo Rivera '''the token tortilla''' thinks FN reporting sucks,,,



,,,Watch out GM,,,Trump might cut your allowance you bad boys,,,


Don Bessee

Something tells me this guy is not long for msncbc -




Posted by: Paul Emery | 27 November 2018 at 03:32 PM

Just speculating on what the State News Service would be like.

No you're not…..you're doing your faux Larry King bit again! Just speculate if you want explore the topic Punch.


Posted by: ***M*** | 27 November 2018 at 03:50 PM

,,,George@311pm,,,lol,,,I have been watching '''Man in the High Castle on Amazon'''…

What a coincidence…..I've been watching "The Man with the Full Diaper" on the Depends™ channel. Impressive performance dugsKKKi.


Fake news Paul rides again. "RR's favorite Judge Andrew Napolitano"
You can't help making shit up, can you J.Acosta of Nevada City?
Hes been wrong more than he's right. Besides. He's a damned Lefty.
He might be your "favorite". I don't really recall anyone here other than you singing his praises.


So now their victims. Everyone is a victim these days. Every Proggy is claiming to be a victim of some sort.

Not "repression",, REJECTION.

George Rebane

M 353pm - This may really come as a surprise to you, but Geraldo is a flaming liberal - one of several on FN that speaks highly of their willingness to host opposing voices. Care to compare it to MSNBC?

George Rebane

The war in Afghanistan - we now make a big deal when now and then a few of our troops get killed in that 15+ year war which has claimed a bit over 2,300 lives in toto, less than the numbers we lost in the first twelve hours of an assault in our Civil War, WW1, and WW2. What today we call a 'war' has changed significantly. And in those days the surviving loved ones just hunkered down, grieved, and then went on with their lives knowing that their sons, husbands, and brothers had died gloriously for their country. Today I'm waiting for relatives with the ACLU to file a lawsuit against the government (and Trump personally) for a 'wrongful death'.



You can argue that aversion to risk (along with xenophilia) is the largest underlying source of changes in modern society. You can see it in 100 ways.


,,,fishbrain,,,at least get the title right,,,it’s Full Metal Diaper!!!


,,,sorry trumpski,,,no to Trump News Network,,,and kicking reporters out whom you don’t like. Nixon then sounds just like trumpski today.

The Founding Fathers gave the free press the protection it must have to fulfill its essential roll in our democracy.

The press was to serve the governed not the governors.

Justice Black Supreme Court decision on publishing the Pentagon Papers


Posted by: ***M*** | 27 November 2018 at 05:32 PM

I give you a lot of……wait for it……shit! But that's a pretty good line! Kudos!


Posted by: ***M*** | 27 November 2018 at 05:40 PM

A no talent hack like Jim Acosta……please…..Trump should have stood his ground and made CNN send a different no talent hack! It's not like they don't have plenty to send.

No threat to a free press by banning lil Jimmy Attention Whore!

Don Bessee

Tell em brother -

This is how old I am. … Old enough to remember being told that by now…
We would be living through a new Ice Age by the year 2000.
We would all die when the ozone layer disappeared.
The oceans would be dead.
Global Cooling would destroy the world.
Acid rain would destroy our forests.
Overpopulation would result in worldwide famine.
We would deplete our natural resources.
We would run out of oil.
The polar ice caps would melt.
Manhattan would be underwater.
People who live in cities will have to wear gas masks.
Nitrogen buildup will make the land unusable.
“Decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.”

And that is just the Big Stuff, the world-shaking predictions the oh-so holy scientific consensus got horribly wrong during my lifetime. Yes, that science was also declared settled.
Now… Imagine if we had declared the science settled on all the little stuff, on the small pleasures of life that the Holy Scientific Consensus tried to strip away from our lives, wonderful things like coffee, salt, fat, and eggs over easy — all of which were labeled poison within my lifetime, but now (thank heaven) no longer are.

You see, I am also old enough to remember when Climate Change was called Global Warming and then had to be re-branded because God made it snow every time Al Gore gave a speech.

Those 13 items listed above are not a joke, are not sarcasm, are not an exaggeration on my part. Each and every one of those now-debunked doomsday prophecies were not only taken seriously by scientists and the media, but by left-wing authoritarians at home and abroad as a means to control people through the horrors of central planning.



George Rebane

Amdinistrivia - please post your appropriate comments under the next Scattershots.

Robert Cross

George 5:02: One of the largest problems in communicating on message boards, blogs, etc. is that there (emojis aside) are none of the other aspects like tone of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc. that provide additional information when trying to attach meaning to words. So it becomes difficult to separate, for example, sarcasm from sincerity. If your statements were meant in sarcasm, they aren't very funny. If they were sincere, they are frightening.

"we now make a big deal when now and then a few of our troops get killed". It is a big deal when one of those few killed was your husband, wife, son, daughter, friend, or any other human being killed in a war, especially when the reasons for such a war are a matters of politics and economics rather than survival. No war since WWII has been worth a single life or tax dollar. To make light of any soldiers death by characterizing it as "no big deal" as your statement implies, is simply wrong, and to try and butter it by couching it in terms of the glory of war is even more wrong.

"died gloriously for their country." There is no glory in war.. only death and destruction and to glorify such a horrible endeavor is to trivialize those deaths by cloaking them in some patriotic mystic that only perpetuates the myth that somehow war is acceptable. I find it odd that since the very beginning of this country no butcher, baker, or candlestick maker ever started a war. Wars were/are started by politicians who are urged to war by those who would profit the most from regime change. One only need to review the media hysteria and drum beating prior to Bush's wars that still go on. Seldom do those who blow the horns of war actually participate in the blood and guts and devastation that is war. Never is death in war glorious. Sometimes it is necessary as was the case in WWII, but never glorious. War is only glorious in a John Wayne movie or to chicken hawk politicos.

Don Bessee

How many flags from fallen hero's caskets have you folded troll? You know nothing of the professional military. @ 724


Bill Tozer

The California Democratic Party announced Monday that chairman Eric Bauman will take a leave of absence until an outside investigation concludes examining allegations of sexual misconduct against him.


Don Bessee

Putin cuddling?

America's secretary of state Mike Pompeo, had assured him in a phone call that his country, had the "full support, full assistance, including military assistance, full coordination, what we [need] to do to protect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity”, Mr Poroshenko said.

Addressing a suggestion that Donald Trump had been slow to back Ukraine over the stand-off, the Ukrainian leader told CNN host Christiane Amanpour, that the president “in his speech, also supported Ukrainian territorial integrity and [has] been on our side”



Bill Tozer

Quotes from this moment in time.

Flashback: “A group of about 100 [migrants] trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico.” —San Diego Union Tribune, Nov. 25, 2013 — during the Obama administration, so no Democrat objections

Non Compos Mentis: “Why tear gas? Is this consistent with the Conventions on Chemical Weapons?” —Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI)

Bad predictions: “Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on, but they’re not going to be doing that.” —CNN’s Jim Acosta to Donald Trump on Nov. 7

Hyper hypocrisy: “This is wrong.” —Hillary Clinton on a pic of a mother running from tear gas on the border (When the same thing happened under Obama, Clinton said, “____.”)

Braying Jenny: “This administration has jailed children and violated human rights. Perhaps we should stop pretending that authoritarianism + violence is a historical event instead of a growing force.” —Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

The Clinton Perjury Machine: “[Attorney] Frank Carter explained to me if I’d signed an affidavit denying having had an intimate relationship with the president it might mean I wouldn’t have to be deposed in the Paula Jones case. I did feel uncomfortable about it but I felt it was the right thing to do. … So, the right thing to do, to break the law.” —Monica Lewinsky

Village Idiots: “A lot of women vote the way their husbands vote; they don’t believe enough in their own thoughts. Maybe that woman who’s so articulate, so experienced and so fit for the presidency was too intimidating.” —Barbra Streisand (Actually, they refused to be captives of the Democrats’ dupe-women-voters operation.)

The BIG Lie: “Iran has never threatened to attack Israel, but has vowed to retaliate if it is attacked.” —Associated Press reporter Nasser Karimi

And last… “If I tried to run past a Chinese border patrol agent and got myself pepper sprayed in the process (or worse), would anyone in the world feel sorry for me? Or would they all blame me for being so dumb and reckless as to attempt to bum-rush the Chinese border?” —Matt Walsh

And finally, if I may boast. A relative has finally been put on a meme. On my Mom’s side, her sister. Still waiting to post Walt’s relative Lizzy B on a meme. With a whack whack here and a whack whack there.....🤠



Mmmmm.......who’s hungry!?!?

”Poo found on every McDonald’s touchscreen tested”



Satire…..?! Mmmmmm? To paraphrase our Punchy….. the Babylon Bee reports you decide!

'Aides Force Ocasio-Cortez To Watch Entire Run Of 'Schoolhouse Rock!'



Posted by: fish | 28 November 2018 at 06:32 AM

Re: School House Rock

Hmm, good idea. Too bad trumpski never watched it!!!


Who knew that Canadians were such vile male supremacists…..?!

"The Bill and Hillary show! Power couple kick off 13-city paid speaking tour in CANADA where bank executive lobbed questions at them in half-empty arena, as they accuse Trump of being part of a Saudi 'cover-up"

Just another example of BLATANT Canadian sexism!


Don Bessee

Well that's a start -




,,,Migrants are done with the US,,,Think how far the One Trillion and counting dollars that have been wasted in far away raghead countries could have gone to improve the lives and economies in Central American countries possibly negating the need for a Great Wall in the first place.

,,,What would happen if the US just went into business with the coca producers and regulated it? Cocaine use is still rampant and not just in the ghettos. Narco violence would probably be greatly reduced.
The drug war has already been lost.


George Rebane

M 1152am - kudos Mr M! While one can argue with the specifics of your proposal, you at least have put forward a proto-libertarian alternative and approach. However, I trust that your "negating the need for a Great Wall" still recognizes that the US will need secure borders of minimal porosity.

Don Bessee





,,,yes George,,,because we are a sovereign nation we will always have borders. Once we have a workable solution to cross-border employment, immigration, amnesty, etc. the drama over border security should decrease.

Scott O

M - define 'workable solution'.


Posted by: ***M*** | 28 November 2018 at 11:52 AM

Think how far the One Trillion and counting dollars that have been wasted in far away raghead countries could have gone to improve the lives and economies in Central American countries possibly negating the need for a Great Wall in the first place.

Why do we need to send a trillion in tax dollars to improve the lives of Central Americans?

Posted by: ***M*** | 28 November 2018 at 12:10 PM

Once we have a workable solution to cross-border employment, immigration, amnesty, etc. the drama over border security should decrease.

Once we have a workable solution to cross-border employment, immigration, etc. why do we need amnesty?

George Rebane

M 1210pm - Now you're hoisting true colors again. 'Having borders' and having non-porous borders are two distinct concepts. One is an ineffective line on the map that does not enclose a sovereign nation-state, the other one is infrastructure on the ground that does.


"Once we have a workable solution to cross-border employment, immigration, amnesty, etc. the drama over border security should decrease."

I take it that 'workable' means 'unlimited immigration'.

The thing is, when you have that much of a wealth gradient, the pressure to join the party will always exist. I expect the Third World to keep on falling behind technically and financially.

Add in differentials in birth rates (especially in Europe v. Africa) and stand back.

It's a shame that the USA stole the part of North America that has all the roads.

Look at it this way. Let's say we are sharing a house and you want all the homeless people to move in and share the wealth but I don't want them. Why should you be able to unilaterally open the doors?


Hey……meet the "New Boss", same as the "Old Boss"!

"Dems overwhelmingly nominate Pelosi as Speaker amid rebellion…"


Don Bessee

Anyone surprised?




One unhinged LIB!!
He goes on-air wearing a skirt?

Philippe Reines, a former top adviser to Hillary Clinton, allegedly went on a pants-less, unhinged rant against a Trump campaign adviser at Fox News’ D.C. bureau on Tuesday night.


,,,George, Scotto, fishbrain,,,it is not up to me to define 'workable solution'. If the border bureaucracy worked correctly and drugs were normalized and regulated border porosity would not be an issue except for random evildoers. Tech solutions, radar, video, audio, motion sensors, drones should be able to watch the border.
You need to allow the flow of laborers, asylum seekers, wannabe immigrants to work within the existing system. Yes, it would take money. But Trump just threw away $200 mil on barb wire. and wants billions to build walls to nowhere. That money could be used to modernize USCIS, et al.

Paul Emery

George writes " the other one is infrastructure on the ground that does."

I assume you are referring to Trumps Wall.

Of course we don't need to pay for the Great Wall George, Mexico will pick up the tab. Trump promised that as you recall. Done deal right?

George Rebane

PaulE 205pm - You insist on portraying yourself as a victim of early onset dementia. I have described in quantitative detail what to me an adequately non-porous border looks like. If you want an ongoing conversation, then you've got to remember what the other party has said.


Posted by: Paul Emery | 28 November 2018 at 02:05 PM

Of course we don't need to pay for the Great Wall George, Mexico will pick up the tab. Trump promised that as you recall. Done deal right?

I don't remember that! You've obviously taken too many blows to the head!

Paul Emery


I am not talking about the attributes of a wall. I was referring to who was going to pay for it. Trump said several times Mexico was going to foot the bill so it's a done deal right? by the way, that was two years ago and guess what, no wall. Hmmm. Is Trump expecting the working taxpayers to pick up the tab? Do you or anyone else on this blog have any insights into this situation?

Paul Emery


Direct quote from Trump. Need I say more?

Sept. 1, 2016 — Mexico will pay for the wall - 100%! #MakeAmericaGreatAgain #ImWithYou

Todd Juvinall

We all know as a candidate and then early on in his admin he stated Mexico will pay for the wall. And all of us have answered you numerous times. What is it about your brain?

Again from moi. Transfer payments can be attached and or taxed that go to Mexico. That is just one way. There are many ways. So move on and go self-flagellate yourself for being dense.

Paul Emery

Thanks for verifying my contention Todd. I appreciate it.

Todd writes:

"in his admin he stated Mexico will pay for the wall."

Todd Juvinall

I see you cut some words in your phony paste. That is why we call you a fake news man.

Paul Emery

Sorry Todd

I'll include the whole sentence if it will make you feel better.

"We all know as a candidate and then early on in his admin he stated Mexico will pay for the wall."

28 November 2018 at 03:52 PM


Posted by: Paul Emery | 28 November 2018 at 03:20 PM

C'mon Punch…….just rhetorical feint…….like in the boxing ring.

Paul Emery

Nah Fish. I call it an outright lie from Trump since he said it over and over but hey, that's old news. Happens everyday with Trump.

Bill Tozer

Shut the border down and Mexico screams “Uncle” or “TIA” in 5 hours or less, lol. No matter what, they can’t let that happen again, it must not happen again” cried every Mexican government official from Tijuana to Mexico City. Desperation was in their voices and not just some mayor. . All of them. Do you know how much money they lose and chaos is created in Mexico when we shut down that border crossing for 5 hours. We already let 100,000 people a day cross legally there, each and every day.
“ Take those hundred who charged at the border and deport them from Mexico!”,says the brown people about those other brown people. They wore out their welcome out in just 2 days. “Screw that, deport 500 of them now, like today!” sez the Mexican Government. “You are out of here, knuckleheads.” Adios.

Let’s see. In 2006, Congress passed the funding bill and the President signed it for 700 miles of strategic placed double fencing along the sections of the border in AZ, TX, NM, and CA. Cool. But, in 2007, the Dems took over the House and quashed the release of the money and just sat on it. Bill or no bill, funded or not, the Approriations Committee put that where the sun don’t shine. The Left don’t want no Wall, no way, no how.

Obliviously, taking in 1-1.5 million legal immigrants a year, 400,000 for chain migration, having another 600,000 a year overstay their visa is not enough. Not nearly enough for those who don’t want no stinking Wall. What, now it’s 20 million illegals here? Bet it’s closer to 50 than 20....after the Left coped to the fact that their 8-11 million number was caca.

The Wall will probably cost 20 billion. The savings will more than pay for itself in under 5 years just in the costs to our social safety nets and incarceration costs. 3 years most likely. Probably pay for iteself in 18 months if CA does that universal medicaid for all, especially for the poor illegals.
300-400 El Salvadorans left that shithole every single day, 7 days a week, to the American Dream. And that is but one little country out of many in the region of 600 million. And south of that is a whole other continent called South America. Carvans forming on social media in Brazil and Venezuela.

Oh yes, Mexico will pay for it, one way or another. Now Mexico is sending its Federales to their southern pourous border to put out another hotspot.


Now that the Dems will take over the House, there will be no border security wall funding. Oh, what, 1.8 billion for Chucky the Clown and increase chain migration and keep the lottery? No thanks.

Trump must shut down 1/6 of the Government very the budget. Shut it down, or the uneccary parts. It’s the only tool he has and it’s a good one. He is on the winning side with this one. Yes he is. Reagen shut down the government and got his border funding through. But, them dishonest Dems sat on the release of the money in the Appropirations Committee. Somethings never change. A Go Fund Me Page will Fund the Wall in no time.


Posted by: Paul Emery | 28 November 2018 at 04:05 PM

Sometimes I like to do that so you'll swing and miss on your counterpunch …..err..…Punch. C'mon we need a little levity here once and a while!

Bill Tozer

“Oh, they will pay for it. Believe me, Mexico will pay for it.” ——— Donald J. Trump, many a time. That is still in the works.

Paul Emery

Till then who pays for it Bill? Do you actually believe that will happen?

Paul Emery

Thanks for the yucks Fish.

Paul Emery

Bill writes at 4:22...

"The Wall will probably cost 20 billion. The savings will more than pay for itself in under 5 years just in the costs to our social safety nets and incarceration costs. 3 years most likely. "

Can you document that bill? Interesting and optomistic numbers for sure.


Posted by: Bill Tozer | 28 November 2018 at 04:22 PM

Yeah Bill……..is it your assertion, contention, or declaration that Mexico will pay for the wall, barricade, obstruction, blockage, clot, stoppage, obstacle, hinderance, annoyance, barrier, moat, traffic jam, impediment, fence, hurdle, or non ADA compliant sidewalk?

Really Bill…..is it…..is it…...yes or no?!?!

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