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04 January 2019

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Robert Cross

"they wisely did not leave us a democracy". --Wise only from the view of those in power. The truth was more like the founders were the monied elite who saw themselves, finally, as the equals to European royalty but without the pedigree, and wanted to insure that the lessors they convinced into fighting and dying (but not voting) wouldn't pull the same stunt on them that they pulled on the King. Democracy tends to level the playing field of power and wealth. Something both the pseudo-aristocrats of the past and those of the present wish to subdue. The sense of entitlement of the wealthy class, in their thinking, somehow makes them special and, therefore, entitled to rule over the riffraff because they know what's best. Unfortunate for someone whom fate has cast to be born into a different neighborhood, as they will have to work for it instead of having it handed to them on a golden platter like the trumps of the world.

George Rebane

RobertC 138pm - I'm sure you're about to point out a country where a pure democracy has not committed suicide. And the philosophers and historians from whom our Founders learned of such things were nowhere near the "monied elite" of whom you speak. But you socialists have always pointed pejoratively to the well-to-do as being founders of this or that nation. Yes, most of them were because back then only the well off got to go to school, learn to reason and discourse in public, and communicate to the populace.

Whenever the poor and the ignorant have attempted to set up a government, their efforts would quickly crash and burn (and turn into a tyranny) because they lacked fundamental knowledge of what would or not work in organizing a society. This process has gone on even unto the present, even when you don't have to be rich to get an education. But it's got to be an education that works, not what is being taught across the land today.

More than half of your millennial comrades believe that capitalism is and has been the bane of society, and needs to be overturned as the template for structuring economies. Yes, your 138pm is for me and mine a scary declaration that could well have been written by Marx or Lenin.

Bill Tozer

If I recall, the signers of the Declaration of Independence put their very lives, property, livelihood, all their treasure on the line. All they had and all they would ever be was subject to forfeiture, including their next breaths, when they put their all at risk for freedom from Big Bro with their signatures.

Class warfare is sooooo Marxist. Sooooo Democrat Socialists.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1518413594959339/?type=3&source=48
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Dumbing down of America.
Why do we have laws making people put fences around their swimming pools? Cause they don’t work?

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.254420818025296/1518581841609181/?type=3&source=48

Not surprised.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1518260961641269/?type=3&source=48

George Rebane

BillT 259pm - Our socialist readers were never taught any of that, nor do their current readings inform them of what really happened - only our warts are illuminated and amplified in their minds so that all they come away with is the strong opinion of America as the world's wart that must disposed of or at least "fundamentally transformed".

Scott O

R Cross at 1:38 - Wow! Our nation's founders built a form of govt that was the envy of the world and Bobby is questioning it? Never in the history of the world had a form of govt and social system produced a county in which so many people could be born poor with no social standing and work their way up to the top. But of course the lefties urinate on it because not everyone ends up equal.
Perhaps after another 8 million uneducated people with no assets pour in and vote themselves gifts from the producers we'll achieve Venezuela.

Walt

Who stopped Bobby from getting rich? (Tell us Bobby)
Who made sure he never got anywhere in life? (who you going to blame?)

Plenty who were born into piss poor neighborhoods did what they had to to get the hell out. (Getting an education is a damned good start)
It's called "applying yourself" Bob,,, There is only one person to point a finger at.... Now,, can you tell us just who that is?(hint.....Look in the mirror)

My Father was the 7th Son of a gold miner, and born in a shack on the Merced River. (back in 1901)
He really made something of himself. From working in a dying business of tapping a telegraph key, to building the biggest catering business in San Francisco of the day.(and during the depression no less)
So tell us again what YOUR excuse is.

George Rebane

What the socialists among us are not taught is that America's wealth structure is very dynamic, and only a small fraction of the wealthy actually inherited their silver spoons. The rest of the very well off earned their wealth the hard way, they worked for it.

My family arrived here below dirt poor. And in 18 months we bought our own little house (a converted two car garage) in one of Indianapolis' poorer neighborhoods, but the damn thing was ours. Four months later my father (assistant electrician at the downtown YMCA) bought our first car - a new 1951 Ford Deluxe 2-door, the cheapest they made, but again, it was ours. Everything was financed, but ONLY in America could an immigrant fresh off the boat get financing. All mom (expert seamstress now sewing sausage casings at a local meatpacker) and dad had to do was show that they had steady jobs and were people of good character.

None of the worthies spouting socialism here know shit from Shinola about the land into which they were lucky to be born.

Don Bessee

Jealously wallowing in envy and self pity much or perhaps it should be stop much since it seem continuous @138?


;-)

Walt

Hey Bobby! Your socialist dream has a few flaws.(It don't "F"n work)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/11494/reason-marxist-restaurant-closed-hilarious-hank-berrien

Try the same business model in Nevada City. Dare ya'.

" The Garden Diner and Café, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, a vegan worker-run "collective" formerly known as the Bartertown Diner, shut down this week after a five-year run as reality overcame devotion to communist principles.

The restaurant promised a “living wage” to all employees and a strong union; that promise should have been enough to predict its demise, and indeed, it was.

Customers complained about waiting over 40 minutes for a sandwich; the restaurant’s hours were variable because the hours were set by group decision, and the restaurant often publicly espoused its devotion to communist heroes and principles, even featuring a mural of Marxist leaders and murderers Che Guevara and Mao Zedong making and serving vegetarian food.

The restaurant’s creator, Ryan Cappelletti, told MLive in 2011, "Because of our economy, people are working 12- to-15-hour shifts, servers take home $200 to $300 a night in tips, the cooks are making $10 an hour and the owner takes whatever he takes. We're going to have equal pay and equal say across the board. Everyone working together." "

Walt

Since Pelosi is anti wall,, the it's time to hang a sign on HERS!
"Speaker Pelosi! Tear down this WALL!!!!" And a fine wall it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_b6aP5al2E

Steven Frisch

"None of the worthies spouting socialism here know shit from Shinola about the land into which they were lucky to be born."
Posted by: George Rebane | 04 January 2019 at 05:35 PM


Yes George, only your immigrant experience is relevant. My families rise from immigrant off the boat, to streets of Chicago as laborers, to the farms and woodlots of Wisconsin, to the paper mill, to the University, to solid middle class, did nothing to educate me about the land I was lucky to be born in.

Talk about shit from Shinola, your sea shit is the hubris of seeing the world solely through your own eyes.

Todd Juvinall

WOW! Steve Frisch is on a rant. And what makes you some arbiter of what is in GeorgeR's mind. Seems you Frisch were handed all you have without much effort from yourself. Mommy and Daddy set you up here in America and the best you give back is a bunch of hooey about how you love socialism. You are the wordt example of success here in this great country. At least GeorgeR had to escape both the Nazi's and the Soviets to make it here. You just escaped the IRS.

Steven Frisch

Hey Todd, I know your comprehension is low, which is why I included the Rebane quote, but I am wondering why you are on the tax roles as delinquent?

And why court records show you in court roughly 15 times over the last 25 years?

I may have made my mistakes, but I worked hard and paid for them, including paying every penny back, unlike the President Pussy Grabber you idolize. . How about you, asshole?

Steven Frisch

"But both see Job One as getting rid of those pesky independent nations, many harboring their own distinct cultures and preferring to live with their own kind. Such bad values hinder both Marx and Muhammad. A working formula for diverse peoples accepting an overarching government has already been demonstrated by forcefully integrating different people by cheek and jowl, people who naturally do not trust each other for countless reasons, and therefore are willing to accept a strong government over all of them, if for nothing else than to keep a stressful and depressing peace. It has been done, and it works, and then we ‘educate’ their children to believe and behave properly."

I love the preferring to live with their own kind line...coupled with the "...forcefully integrating different people by cheek and jowl, people who naturally do not trust each other..."

Yep diversity is inherently a threat to freedom.

Do you seriously think people don't perceive you as the racist that you really are George?

Walt

Ahhhhh The wall.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/05/gofundme-campaign-border-wall-shatter-records/

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

19 million will buy a LOT of steel(or concrete)

Not one Proggy here has yet to show how walls don't work. (good luck with that)
How bout any inanimate object WITH morals?

Walt

WOW!!! Calling George a "racist" is pretty damned slanderous.
Better hope I am never on that Jury... Frisch......

scenes

Steven Frisch: "Yep diversity is inherently a threat to freedom."

I'd say that diversity replaces trust with mistrust and social glue with government. There certainly are a bunch of sociology (not much of a science, but all we have) studies that show that.

Dunno why 'diversity' became a battle standard for the left, it rarely came up until the last decade or so. Heck, even the Soviets pushed for nationalism within their state boundaries.

I can't say that monocultures imply success or freedom, it isn't like a small town in Switzerland will underperform one in Somalia, but it's hard (impossible?) to find cases of places lacking underlying homogeneity that don't require a pretty strong thumb on the scale from government. That homogeneity can be religion, race (whatever that is), language, 1000 small acts in daily life, but it sure seems necessary.

It would be funny to interview everyone at the Sierra Business League and see just how different they all are.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Walt | 05 January 2019 at 09:45 AM

A hell of a lot more likely that I'd be on your Jury Walt.

George Rebane

StevenF 929am - I have always accepted that you and yours perceive me and mine as racists, especially when we point out the obvious human propensity to want to live with people who share their values, mores, and tradition. You and yours are so narrowly read that you continue to believe that this eternal truth is held only in remote coagulated pockets like Nevada County. This blind spot is one of the prime reasons why your understanding of human history is so far off the mark.

Bottom line, enforced diversity has nowhere near the benefits claimed by the global socialists.
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2018/08/does-diversity-really-unite-us.html

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 January 2019 at 10:08 AM


I think its funny that you think I think that your "eternal truth" is only held in Nevada County. I'm well aware of the fact that your version eternal truth is held by a wide range of people living across a broad swath of geography both urban and rural in America.

What they all have in common is that they do not know or understand our nation and its "credo."

The reality is the United States has always been a melting pot, a polyglot, of multiple races, ethnicities, religious orientations and points of view.

The strength of the United States has not been the ability of people to live with people who share their values, mores, and tradition, which has almost always been code for race, whether defined in the modern sense, or in the sense used in the 19th century when southern Europeans, eastern Europeans, Jews, and other caucasians were defined as a different 'race." It's strength has been its ability to bring in people from across the globe, of whatever race, even Aryans from the Baltic states, and blend them into a American identity. That was accomplished not by separation but by the very act of people of different backgrounds living together.

Todd Juvinall

Honestly, Steve Frisch (922) is that the best you have? You knowingly swiped $250,000 from your employees, you were leined from the dog catcher to the IRS and lost all your furniture from your failed restaurant and now pat yourself on the back as some sort of hero? It appears to me you are mentally challenged about reality. We see you yap about yourself here and elsewhere, but for some reason, no one else steps up to defend you. Kind of lonely eh? I once checked your name with the courts and you had about thirty cases so I'll bow to your numbers as the winner.

Todd Juvinall

Regarding who would be on a jury. I think Walt makes a lot better juror. He is not a thief and crooked.

Walt

And just what would those charges be? (never ever have been charged with ANY crime.(and YOU????)
I have ALWAYS paid MY taxes... Uh,,, You?
Never have run a "shady" operation, or sponged off others.... Uh,, You? Never filled out forms to make a buck... Uh,, You?
Never have done business with or in a Commie nation.. You?
Never begged for free rent...

So just what "jury" would I be in front of?
Never had to use the "he needed kill'n" defense...

Steven Frisch

All my taxes are paid Todd...never charged with a crime Walt...how about you Todd? Are all your taxes paid?

Walt

BTW Frisch, those with a criminal past can't be on juries.(that counts you out)
"Can felons serve on juries?
You cannot serve on a jury if: You have been convicted of a felony or of any type of theft (unless rights have been restored) You are now on probation or deferred adjudication for a felony or for any type of theft; or. You are now under indictment for a felony or are now under criminal charges for any type of theft."

Russ

Steven @ 10:24 AM In the past the key was assimilation, but that has slowed or stopped in many communities. Victor Davis Hansen covers the problem in California in his book Mexifornia and in subsequent articles. The Muslum refuges are resisting assimilation, insisting that communities adopt their customs, carving out neighborhoods so they can sustain those customs, rather than assimilate. These actions demonstrate a desire to live among their own kind, rather than join the American Melting Pot.

George Rebane

StevenF 1024am - Indeed, the ability to 'blend' diverse cultures has been the secret of American exceptionalism. Thanks to you and yours, that ability is no longer ours. Now you have made identity politics the social order of the land, blending and assimilation is now receding into our past as the newly arrived huddle in insular communities promoted by our Left. Where assimilation used to take less than a generation, now takes an unknown number of generations with the growth of sustainable enclaves where a large shares of their populations speak no English at all. These then are at the mercy of their mediating political bosses who 'translate' what the rest of the county is doing and how they are being discriminated against. But that also may be news to you.

And if you and yours really knew that the ideas discussed in these pages have wide purview, you would address those ideas, instead of vilifying those of us who evoke and debate them here. But that, as these comment streams testify, is not the case.

***M***

,,,The notion of national culturalism has issues because the US is a melting pot of cultures. Immigrants from different geographical, national, and religious differences tend to flock together for protection as well as language, religious, etc. differences. This creates the divides like Serb/Croat/Muslim; Sunni,/Shiite; Jew/non-Jew, etc. and the neighborhood silos (hoods). Don't forget the first peoples who were mostly exterminated so the Bible toters could superimpose their idea of a national culture over the native populations.

It takes a blend of the national cultural and multicultural to make a melting pot work.

Walt

Well "m",, does "Frisco-ing" of Nevada County count?
(They bring the same crap here they were trying to get away from.)
Frisco values have no place here. Yet we still have to let you in here.

larry wirth

In a sentence, the proggies would have the melting pot lose its ability to create a single, strong alloy as in the past. The result is unassimilated chaos that requires a strong whip hand, a role to which the left aspires single-mindedly. L

Todd Juvinall

Come on Steve Frisch, admit you are a thief of your employee's money. I paid over $10,000 in property taxes last year. How about you?

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Walt | 05 January 2019 at 10:41 AM

Never been convicted of a criminal act nor ever charged with one Walt. It is that simple.

George Rebane

re Russ 1043am and larryW 1100am - and that has been the understanding pruveyed in these pages since RR was launched. The illogic of arguments like M's 1051am is that they don't provide for what happens in a melting pot.

As illustrated again and again by immigrants like those of my generation, we could not be distinguished from the 'average Americans' in either our speech, mannerisms, values, addresses, observances, ... . And none of us thought our identities would be more burnished if we touted our foreign origins in the public forums. Thanks to those who wish to divide us, that is no longer the case in this land. Now the arriving immigrants and illegal aliens are taught that America is a fractured and socially unjust land composed of ossified ethnic factions, who are being trodden on by a white racist America descended from (primarily northern) Europeans.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Russ | 05 January 2019 at 10:43 AM

Russ I have read Mexifornia, but here is the problem, according to the Manhattan Institute, who I think is a source you trust, Latino immigrants actually assimilate at the same rate culturally as other immigrant communities in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. It is true that ALL immigrants assimilate at a slightly slower rate today than in the late 19th and early 20th century.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/measuring-immigrant-assimilation-united-states-5835.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/28/hispanic-immigrants-are-assimilating-just-as-quickly-as-earlier-groups/?utm_term=.e4552a1731e2

Re Muslim immigrants there is no data to support your contention that they assimilate at a a different rate either.

https://www.cato.org/blog/rapid-us-muslim-assimilation-continues-alongside-rapid-muslim-immigration

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 January 2019 at 10:48 AM


I am sorry George, but you guys are completely incorrect about cultural assimilation not occurring with the current generation of immigrants. If facts mattered to you guys we could discuss ideas, but that has proven impossible over the years due to most posters lack of fact based decision-making.

Steven Frisch

Funny Todd, I have paid back every penny I have ver owed in taxes yet you show up on the delinquent tax rolls every damn year....

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 05 January 2019 at 11:32 AM

George Rebane

Why are there no public demonstrations of grievances by the conservatives bearing national flags of their countries from which they or their elders emigrated? It appears that only leftwing demonstrations bear those trappings, demonstrations that are more often than not sponsored by the socialist elites and their NGOs.

Scott O

Steve and others on the left - My legal immigrant ancestors arrived in this country waving the American flag. Not the country they came from. They learned English and would never have dreamt of 'demanding' anything from their new adopted country. They became Americans, not some hyphenated BS weasel-worded sort of citizen.
This country is no longer on a singular path laid down by our forefathers. The left decries here and elsewhere how bad these men were and how we need to 'update' our national govt to pure democracy (mob rule) and get rid of some of our treasured rights. No matter what actual religious practice they personally conducted, everyone in the US used to believe our civil rights were bestowed us by our maker. Now the new modern man feels God is un-needed and the govt will hand out our new rights based on whomever happens to be in power at any given time.
The left wants to usher in the sort of dystopia AOC is braying for. It cannot move that fast now and will patiently wait another generation if needed to have a smaller and un-armed opposition to deal with when the latest version of government-knows-best is instituted.
We can be a nation of all different skin colors, nationalities and social customs but we can no longer function if we are not basically on the same page with fundamental ideas of governance and freedoms.
That sort of 'diversity' leads to civil war. If you don't believe me, believe history.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 January 2019 at 12:42 PM

Seriously George have you never lived in a city with a large immigrant community...I can guarantee you the ones holding on to their former national flag are the conservatives and the ones buying an iPhone, getting and instagram account and dancing on the rooftops are the liberals. That was true for Italian immigrants, and it's true for Indian and Pakistani and Mexican immigrants.

Besides, what is wrong with maintaining a cultural connection to your roots... that used to be nice. At least it was in the Italian, Bohemian and Slovak neighborhoods where I grew up. Eating cannoli aint a sign that your not an American.

Scott O

"I am sorry George, but you guys are completely incorrect about cultural assimilation not occurring with the current generation of immigrants."
If that is true, why does the govt now print in 57 languages?
It didn't used to and everything was fine.
Assimilation doesn't mean learn how to order at McDonalds.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Scott O | 05 January 2019 at 01:05 PM

The point that we want every American to be informed so we print in multiple languages (BTW there were more readers of German language newspapers in Chicago in 1885 than English) is not proof that assimilation is not occurring.

It is simply not true that immigrants are not assimilating--every one from CATO to Brookings to USCB Community Survey has crunched the data...immigrants assimilate into US society just like our Italian, German, Irish, Chinese and Estonian ancestors did.

Your opinions are based on either incorrectly interpreted data or intentional mis-information...and the point that is likely intentional mis-information that is what makes it a friggin' racist propaganda trope.


https://www.cato.org/blog/central-americans-assimilate-very-well

https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-myth-of-non-assimilation/2018/06/27/9234f144-7652-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.61d8df199f74

Walt

Well.. when MY Grandma And Gramps came here from Sweden, (and through Ellis Island) They never spoke Swede again. Never kept a Swedish flag for "old times sake". They came here to America to BE Americans.
That's called "assimilation".
Bringing the problems with you that you came here to escape, isn't.
Waiving the flag of the nation you left isn't assimilation.

Just like today we have idiots demanding America become more "Euro like". Screw you, the horse you rode in on, and the dog that followed! America became what it is to get the HELL away from being anything like "over there".
It's America that's actually made the world a "better place".(for the most part)

Walt

Read it and cringe Proggys.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/americans-want-border-security-and-the-numbers-show-it
"President Trump is far from alone in his determination to secure our borders — according to a recent Gallup poll, Americans view immigration as the second-biggest problem facing the country today.

That’s bad news for the Democrat Party, which is hellbent on opposing the president’s efforts to fix our broken immigration system, especially the border wall he needs in order to get illegal immigration under control.

The Democrats have a very simple, two-part strategy on immigration: first and foremost, they want to keep President Trump from fulfilling his promises to the American people; second, they want to make it even easier for foreigners to enter this country illegally."

Note to Paul... POLLS bub,,POLLS!!!! Live by the poll, die by the poll!

Dirk Hunter

Walt-
I take it that you are such a backwards hillbilly that you've never been to a Chinese New Year's celebration in any of our nation's largest cities. Some serious nationalism and flag waving going on in extremely conservative neighborhoods. But of course you won't believe it.

Walt

Hi "jon"!! (same lame ass TROLL with a new name)
So smartass, tell us how they have "assimilated"? They stick to themselves, stay within their own, don't like "outsiders".
And really don't care to speak "our" language.
"
Some serious nationalism and flag waving going on in extremely conservative neighborhoods."
And the problem is just what?
Don't like it? Then go to some other nation. Try Cuba. There is always Venezuela.

Keith

I just looked online at Cnn.com. Not one story about the Newman officers funeral, but a huge story on fox news.com. Yeah, Frisch, your folks came here legally, just like Offier Singh did. Unfortunately, the person who killed him did not, but you lump all immigrants together as all good. What part of illegal do you not understand?

Dirk Hunter

Walt- You are an ignorant fool. The Chinese don't assimilate??? So much of our tech, finance and pharma have Chinese Americans at or near the top that it is almost a stereotype. The entire Bay Area is filled with Chinese (not just China Town as you probably believe). During New Years celebration Chinese from all walks of life come together in a celebration of their heritage. That your parents chose to bury their heritage does not translate into the rest of the immigrants in this country.

scenes

DH@2:14PM

So basically Chinese assimilate by living together in the Bay Area and celebrating Chinese holidays.

Gotcha.

Obviously it's a matter of degree. If you bring in a few people from elsewhere and/or scatter them around the country, you have some hope of building a common culture. If you slam in millions of them in a few places, you end up ceding territory to somebody else. There's nothing new here or even particularly immoral, but at least be honest about it.

scenes

***M*** opines ",,,The notion of national culturalism has issues because the US is a melting pot of cultures. "

,,,not true.

We are basically hitting stride in our second big influx of foreigners (third if you count the initial invasion). The first one at the turn of the century caused enough trouble that it resulted in legislation which basically turned off immigration until Mr. Kennedy got involved. The other big difference of course was that all the prior immigration was from Europe. It's hard to argue that an influx from Germany (or even Estonia!) is more easily merged into the flow than millions from Guatemala, Nigeria, or India.

Walt

Yes Scenes, that good ol' Mzzzz "jon". (How was the slammer? Now that was a bright move)
Bring up Chinese New Year(which is celebrated in China Town) then add "they live all over town".
That's a classic Mzzzz."jon" ploy.

It's about time you slithered back.

I wear "redneck" and/or "Hillbilly" as a badge of honor.(something you don't have)

Scott O

Steve goes off the rails - "It is simply not true that immigrants are not assimilating..."
That wasn't the contention Steve. You just deliberately changed what was originally stated.
Obviously some are assimilating but there is less and less need to. The illegals end up being defacto citizens without learning English or our Constitution or following the law.
And please stop with the cultural celebrations BS. That's not the problem and you know it. We have politicians that clearly have more allegiance to other countries than our own.
Again I ask - if the newer members of this country are sooooo assimilated why do we have to print anything in any other language than English? You're supposed to know English to be a citizen.

scenes

Walt, I was reading Mr. Frisch's posted article (or one of them), since he does give a shot at making an argument as opposed to the Emery/Pelline/M cabal.

Quotes:

"Economic and civic assimilation often occurs without significant cultural assimilation. It is common for immigrant cohorts to naturalize and enjoy integration into the economic mainstream without posting many gains along cultural dimensions."

"Mexican immigrants experience very low rates of economic and civic assimilation. Immigrants born in Mexico, particularly those living and working in the United States illegally, lie at the heart of many current debates over immigration policy. The assimilation index shows that immigrants from Mexico are very distinct from the native-born upon arrival and assimilate slowly over time. "

I think that 'assimilation' means 'uses the same banks and goes to the same fast food restaurants (who have to put up multilingual signage)'.

I don't see how it's arguable that there's a safe rate that you can bring in people. Ideally, I would bring in the best people and bring them in from all over the world as opposed to building small monocultural nations-within-a-nation, but that's just me.

What I have yet to see argued is just what advantage there is to importing moar and moar people. As productivity rises, the need for labor lessens. There's an inevitable ecological hit. Aside from the moneyed class, there's basically nothing in it for anybody besides virtue signaling. It's a crying shame since the US was set to hit zero population growth some time ago except for the mass movement from the south.

Todd Juvinall

Steve Frisch, did your grandparents teach you to steal? You paid back the stolen money under a court order as a sentence from a judge. You did not as you imply, just pay it back out of the goodness of your hart. My guess is five years in the clink or pay it back. All those bubbas were salivating at a portly white boy being with them. So fess up, tell us how and why you stole $250,000 from your employees. And since it was a restaurant, were those employees latinos? probably. And maybe women? Probably. So you are an equal opportunity thief and gender is not a problem. Now you run a "non-profit" just like your restaurant it appears. How many Latinos in your employ? You see, you are a hypocrite that all of us deplorable see for what you really are. None of us stole our employee's money. None of us tell others they are fascists for not hiring people of different shades of skin. Only you fit those criteria. I suggest you go take some real pills with your pal Pelline as you are both hallucinating again.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: scenes | 05 January 2019 at 02:41 PM


Classic cherry picking.

Scott O

scenes - "What I have yet to see argued is just what advantage there is to importing moar and moar people."
Because the 'type' of folk being "imported" tend to vote a certain way.
After stupidly denying it for years, they're now admitting it with a smirk.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Todd Juvinall | 05 January 2019 at 02:43 PM

Todd why don't you ask Donald Trump, Dick Cheney, or about a million other famous republicans how debt gets re-organized....its not something Im proud of but it ain't uncommon, and I paid back every penny.

But you didn't answer the question ...are your taxes up to date? Are you on the delinquent list again this year? I bet you are you piece of human detritus.

Walt

Not anti immigrant at all. The Mrs. was German Has her Naturalization documents on the wall for all to see. She stopped speaking German when she got here as well. Not a German flag or any reminder of where she came from. She has more love for what America stands for than the likes of "jon" (or DH now) will ever have.
And speaks better English no doubt.(and votes Conservative)

Walt

Uhh,,, isn't screwing the IRS a CRIME? Yet you claim not to have committed any.
"Under the federal law of the United States of America, tax evasion or tax fraud, is the purposeful illegal attempt of a taxpayer to evade assessment or payment of a tax imposed by Federal law. Conviction of tax evasion may result in fines and imprisonment.

So it's "tax reorganization" your calling your misdeeds. Got it.
Thanks.

Steven Frisch

And yet I always filed my taxes, never evaded, was never charged with any criminal offense, and paid every penny I was in arrears back...unlike Todd, who actually is still on the Nevada County tax rolls as delinquent.

Fancy that.

Steven Frisch

Besides, what does any of this have to do with the discussion of immigration and George's post?

George Rebane

stevef 100pm - "...I can guarantee you the ones holding on to their former national flag are the conservatives..."

Astonishing statement. Even this blog is full of images and links to videos that demonstrate exactly the obverse. And Mr Frisch gets his news only from outlets that censor such reporting of demonstrations by illegal aliens and unassimilated ethnics, primarily Hispanics. Even multi-generational Mexican-Americans still fly the Mexican flag when demonstrating and militate for the Reconquista. Would like to see the color of your "guarantee".

Walt

Well,, one thing may be for sure, The Wall impasse that's keeping gov. offices closed (the longer the better) might be cramping a certain grant beggar's style.
There is always China,, Now don't forget to register as a foreign agent.
HELL! If Trump needed real volunteers to help build that wall, I would be on my way. But I'm sure the union goons are looking to score the work.

Dirk Hunter

Branson-
I'm willing to bet that you, Todd, and many of your ilk still proudly bear the flag of the Confederate States of America and you consider yourselves conservatives. Integrated, maybe not so much.

Scott O

DH 3:51 - I see the left has lost the debate and is reverting to the go-to of mud throwing.
It must just grind on the left that their ignorant view of conservatives is wrong.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 January 2019 at 03:37 PM

George, I was referring to the common dynamic in immigrant families that the first generation holds on to national identity and custom that the next generation runs away from like a house on fire. I can't tell you how many immigrant families I have known over the years with this dynamic. Anyone else living in the real world who has lived in an urban community with immigrants who reads your page knows I'm right.

Yes, there are some people who wave foreign flags in American streets who show up on Fox News, making old men soil their undies and ask "what happened to my America", but they are few and far between.

Walt

Well D.H. (an appropriate initial too! Thanks!)
for you , the stars and bars have only one meaning, and you bastardize it till the cows come home. So you go with that.
You don't have the mental capacity to understand anything else.

You Proggys are a funny bunch, Yapp about "oppression" and "slavery"
yet that's what your out to do. You got voted back into office to do just that.
Forget that "The good ol' South" was DEMOCRAT? DEMS loved their slaves. DEMS were the Klan.(and still are)

You can try and "revise" all you like. There are still real history books out there.

Care to try again D*ck He*d?

Steven Frisch

The entire "homogeneous" idea perpetrated in a thousand ways here every week is nothing but code for complete, rank, despicable racism...period. Anyone who countenances it is complicit as fuck.

Don Bessee

OH NO not the dreaded 'code' from the guy who does not hire anything but lily white folk. I will be sure to share your concerns with my friends of color immediately! LOL

https://www.breitbart.com/news/venezuelas-parliament-rejects-legitimacy-of-maduro-second-term/

;-)


Walt

Steve loses the argument, and calls everyone racist.
All because we want secure boarders.
Don't you have grant forms to fill out? There is always the Kmart parking lot to hold a cardboard sign. "Will ECO counsel for lose change."

Walt

OH... Stevey.. Since the worm farm was an epic turd, you can jump on the "human composting" bandwagon. It's right up a Nevada County ECO nut's alley. I'm sure there is a grant to exploit.
Just keep it WAY down wind. Better yet, build a wall around it.
And sell the "remains" to dope growers.

scenes

In a quite elegant yet piquant post, Steven Frisch sez:

"despicable"

Somehow, I'm hearing Daffy Duck's voice when I read that.

scenes

re: Don Bessee@4:32PM

To be fair, I think they're all POC.

http://sierrabusiness.org/who-we-are/people/staff

it's just that the color happens to be pink.

Walt

A LIB "OHH Shit!" moment?
https://www.breitbart.com/video/2019/01/05/house-budget-chair-yarmuth-i-dont-think-a-wall-is-immoral-pelosi-willing-to-negotiate/
" House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth (D-KY) said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is “willing to negotiate.” Yarmuth also differed with Pelosi’s argument that a wall is immoral"

Scott O

from the left at 4:21 - "The entire "homogeneous" idea perpetrated in a thousand ways here every week is nothing but code for complete, rank, despicable racism...period. Anyone who countenances it is complicit as fuck."
And calling the folks you just lost the debate to 'racist' is code for "mommy, help me"!

Gregory

"Anyone who countenances it is complicit as fuck."

-Frisch

Your little social justice company in Truckee has nineteen employees. Lilly white.

Racist is as racist does. Your need to slander conservatives as racist is compensatory for your own sins.


Todd Juvinall

Dirk Hunter | 05 January 2019 at 03:51 PM
Never owned or flew a confederate flag. So you are just making-ng it up. You see Dirkie Doo, we conservatives do what you don't. We fly the Stars and Stripes. And salute or hold our hands over our hearts. I did it tonight as did GeorgeR and his wife and about three hundred others at our Sheriff Royal retirement party. I bet you were not invited.

Steve Frisch, you need to give it up. You can try to soft shoe your theft of $250,000 of your employee's money. I bet they were latinos and women too. You are a first class potty mouth hypocrite and no one lkes you. So perhaps you can stop lyng to yourself about your thieving ways and start hiring some people of color as you call them Hypocrite and a liar. You have it all bub.

Bonnie McGuire

I can already hear the snickers. Yeah, the left and Snopes say it's false, but it's so easy to change the dates or whatever. It's interesting to compare it with what's going on now. Notice the red light permeating the dark cloud (from Europe, Asia and Africa) invading America during the 3rd war in our country. Here's a video about the spiritual vision of General George Washington that occurred during the most discouraging time of the Revolutionary War:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UOMnbu3QeMs
Here's the text of his vision: http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/washington/vision.html
The following is "George Washington's Warning" video years later when he wrote that America would lead the world as long as its people would be morally good. It's alleged to be the last page of his hand written (60 page) inaugural speech that was found in London and allegedly sold at an auction for $306,000. It'a pretty obvious today. LAST DAYS: DARKNESS DESCENDING
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmc6k4KAcM
Doom predicted by America's loss of Virtue
https://prophecyinthenews.com/articles/doom-for-u-s-predicted-by-george-washington/
"Though Washington did not actually deliver this speech at the ceremony, opting for a shorter one instead, he clearly intended to share his vision of America’s future as a great nation that would not again submit to foreign rule… “until the people of America shall have lost all virtue: until they shall have become totally insensible to the difference between freedom and slavery: until they shall have been reduced to such poverty of spirit as to be willing to sell that pre-eminent blessing, the birthright of a freeman, for a mess of pottage: in short, until they have been found incapable of governing themselves and ripe for a master…”

This was the message on the page sold at auction in London. There are four statements that appear to be coming to pass at this time....

Why is our government allowing us to fall under foreign rule – by the UN? Because our politicians have lost all virtue. They have turned their backs on the constitution they swore to uphold. The United States military has been effectively turned over to the jurisdiction of the U.N. United States Soldiers are forced to wear its insignia. U.S. troops are deployed on foreign soil under the auspices of the United Nations. There are several military bases across America that have been turned over to the United Nations. Tens of thousands of foreign troops are presently being trained in our country on U.S. military bases paid for by our tax dollars. The U.N. flag now flies alongside the U.S. flag on many military bases across the United States.

Why are the people across our vast country allowing this treasonous situation? Because, unfortunately, most Americans have lost the virtue that once made us a great nation! Today, one-third of all births are illegitimate. Couples think nothing of living together out of wedlock – products of a corrupt school system that actively discourages moral values taught in the Bible. God, holy living, and prayer are not only unwelcome, but also despised in classrooms. This scourge upon America is ripe for God’s judgment..."

fish

......and here it comes!

The bait is Trumps tax returns......that will keep the skullfucked refugees from the sixties turgid and happy! The meat is in the voter registration language!

You think they would just fake up the votes Chicago style instead of importing an army of room temperature IQ lever pullers who are eventually going to want something for their “loyalty”......


Some of the highlights....


Colleges can register students to vote, but are not required to ask if they are US Citizens

>Automatic voter registration.

>non citizens who are registered to vote cannot be charged with a crime unless they “knew” they were violating a crime.

>people aren’t allowed to tell people within 60 days of an election what the laws regarding non-citizen voting are. [Not a lawyer but how can this even be proposed? How can it be illegal to provide legitimate and relevant infornation?]

>People can register to vote at the poll on election day, and they must be given a real ballot (not provisional)

>within 6 months of an elections, people cannot use the cross-state registration database to find people who are registered to vote in more than one state

>Poll observers will no longer be allowed to challenge voters

>no one, including law enforcement can “hinder someone who wants to vote”

>voting rights are restored to convicted criminals, as long as they are not in jail on election day

>If, during a recount, the number of ballots found don’t match the number of votes cast on election day, you MAY NOT use the election day count as the official count, and must now count all of the found votes.

>The federal government is not allowed to have a say in the recount process. It is entirely up to the state election committee.
>All states must allow early voting. And polling locations must be moved within walking distance of bus stops

> In states that require voter ID, voters can simply sign a form that says “I’m allowed to vote”, and that “counts as ID”

This, combined with another provision allowing universal absentee voting, and the requirement that absentee votes contain a blank copy of this declaration, means that people can just sign up for absentee voting without ever proving who they are.

>The “my voice voucher” program gives $25 to anyone who asks, and that money is forwarded to their “candidates of choice”

>The request that all businesses give their employees a paid day off on election day

>Paid leave of up to 6 days for poll workers

>Redistricting by commission… must not dilute the votes of racial, ethnic and gender minorities.


https://www.brennancenter.org/legislation/for-the-people-act-2019

scenes

"Redistricting by commission… must not dilute the votes of racial, ethnic and gender minorities."

That's a fancy way of saying 'gerrymandering'.

Dunno how you district around 'gender minorities' though. That's a peculiar concept.

***M***

Posted by: George Rebane | 05 January 2019 at 12:42 PM

Why are there no public demonstrations of grievances by the conservatives bearing national flags of their countries from which they or their elders emigrated?

,,,how do you know if the demonstrators are conservative or liberal???

***M***

,,,Trump negotiators make big concessions during the Wall brouhaha, they are willing to forgo demanding a concrete wall and would totally cave and accept a steel slat fence.

Wow, way to go Pubbers, that will go a long way toward ending the stalemate.

***M***

,,,let’s see,,,how well did the eurocentric WASPs assimilate the Japanese Americans during the Great Internment???

fish

Posted by: ***M*** | 06 January 2019 at 08:32 AM


......like I said......skullfucked!

Walt

OH YES.. Trump CAN build that wall..
https://www.breitbart.com/video/2019/01/06/dem-house-armed-services-chair-trump-has-the-authority-to-use-the-military-to-build-his-wall/
"1:43
Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” House Armed Service Committee chairman Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) said President Donald Trump does have the authority to declare a national emergency and have the military build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Host George Stephanopoulos asked, “Does President Trump have the ability, have the authority to declare a national emergency and have the military build his wall?”

Smith said, “Well, unfortunately, the short answer is yes. There is a provision in the law that says the president can declare an emergency."

Trump has outsmarted the Proggys at every turn.

Paul Emery

I thought Mexico was going to build the wall Walt. Trump said so and he's, according to you, a truthful honest person. What happened? so far no wall from Mexico.

Paul Emery

The Repubs are desperately searching for a face saving capitulation Trump can latch on to to put an end to this disaster to the Republican Party.

Walt

Morn'n Paul,,, Look what your boy "O" said.
“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country,” Barrack Obama said in 2005 while still a U.S. Senator from Illinois.

That IS what got you to vote for him the FIRST time... Right?

And NO... To answer your second load of BS.

Tricky McClean

Fuckface Von Clownstick is brilliant. His Wall Baloney has removed the following from the news cycle:

🤡 Emoluments Hogtrough
🤡 Campaign Finance Crime
🤡 Democracy Subversion
🤡 Obstruction of Justice


OK you crazy Circle Peeps, auf Wiedersehen!!!

fish

Posted by: Tricky McClean | 06 January 2019 at 09:33 AM


Yeah ......I get it Michael! With the exception of the emoluments nonsense that’s really TEAM DEMOCRAT turf! I’d be pissed too!

Walt

Someone pee in your fruit loops this morning "jon"?

Walt

If "O" can write the DACA law by Exec. order, Trump can build the wall the same damned way. But THIS time the action is used to PROTECT America, instead of letting the vermin in.

Todd Juvinall

The democrats are desperate to find a way to end this funding issue and partial shutdown. Apparently the employees are all democrats and are putting huge pressure on Nancy and Chuck etal. They want their paycheck! The military is getting theirs. Mostly R's. So maybe we will see a democrat cave pretty soon. We can name that portion of the wall after NanChuck.

George Rebane

M 821am - You really don't know, do you? Is that deficit widely shared among your think-alikes? Well, one hint is that the demonstrations are purposed with visible demands made by the demonstrators. Someday I'll tell you how the types of demands made by demonstrating liberals differ from those made by conservatives. In the interval, you may abstract a hint or two from reading these pages.

Bill Tozer

“I thought Mexico was going to build the wall Walt”

No, Mexico is not going to build the Wall. They are building a Wall at their southern border out of necessity.

Every dollar counts.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39985/triple-amputee-war-veteran-goes-collect-1-pelosi-joseph-curl?fbclid=IwAR1qUvpZsEoXlyLNfxT6iLKybtlOdkroIKuqNH2Se-tvNJmz_avDi3fMbTg

***M***

,,,nice try George,,,you wearing your Ann Coulter fashion eyewear again??? Caution,,,they can make you nearsighted

https://theoutline.com/post/6140/a-brief-history-of-batshit-conservative-protests?zd=1&zi=r2bqhtwr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/conservative-rally-in-philadelphia-counter-protesters-gather-2018-11-17/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Barack_Obama

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Barack_Obama

***M***

,,,missed one,,,

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-left-protests-mob-republicans-bundy-midterms.html

Walt

Uh,, "m"oron,,, You know full well the Tea Party was more than peaceful. No property damage, NO arrests.(except one infiltrater )
The streets and parks were left cleaner than before we showed up.

In contrast,, Any Proggy event was left a shithole for others to pick up after.
No evidence here needed.

George Rebane

Mr fish's 1051pm is a shocker. I draw your kind attention to this commentary's 6jan19 update.

Walt

Thanks for bringing up the Bundy standoff. You bud Paul left his balls in the sock drawer on that one.
The 2ND Amendment worked as advertised.. Now tell us who won that?
Even in court!
Notice my armed pals kept their power dry? The tyrants walked away with their lives.
Well,, the tyrants did kill one of ours,, and then planted a gun on him.(I bet that made your day)

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