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25 January 2019

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Robert Cross

I also read that this morning and while Mr. Keeble "confuses levels with rates (the popular progressive pastime of ‘derivative diving’), and also duns the harvesting of low hanging fruit just because more of it is harder to get." whatever that brilliant piece of Rebane psychobabble means, Mr. Rebane (who once stated he voted for trump while holding his nose) seems to confuse trump's fictions with truth.

scenes

In case anyone is curious about things rotating around R. Stone, here's wikileaks' filing from last month.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/WikiLeaksDNC.pdf

It amuses me no end how all of this really revolves around just how dirty the Democratic party is under the covers. The real crime is exposing the political elite in all it's lustrous glory.

Stone of course is just the latest in a Soviet-style case which consists of innocence followed by perjury trap or small unrelated crime followed by threat of federal time followed by squeezing the witness into saying anything you like. The fact that our elderly local hippies believe that God's work is being done here is one of the great ironies of the modern age.

I do like the phrase 'derivative diving'. I'd never heard it before but immediately grok the meaning. It's nicely related to all the other ways of presenting numbers so that they lose part of their meaning. It isn't just inserting bias into charts, but simply the fact that humans don't visualize scale or change very well. There's a dishonesty in most numerical arguments that's hard to avoid I think. Pretending that Trump's $5B for The Wall is about the expense makes for a poor case in terms of both the scale of the money and the real reasons for the objection. No doubt the .gov shutdown has cost the economy more than that value already.

Walt

You sly dog Scenes,,,
"The fact that our elderly local hippies believe that God's work is being done here is one of the great ironies of the modern age."

I wonder who your referring to?(Not really)

scenes

re: Walt@1:40PM

There's quite a few elderly local hippies 'round these parts. Some leave tracts on doorways. They all, strangely enough, believe that they invented their philosophy independently rather than as a hivemind. Thank God they aren't young enough to burn down the homes of the evil Nazis in their midst, although I think it's more a lack of energy (and a full head of hair) than it is will.

It would be interesting to present this article:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dershowitz-on-mueller-move-against-roger-stone-trump-is-the-target

and take out all the names and just view it as a form of political court as you see in most repressive governments. The Soviet Union added the nicety of declaring some people 'insane' rather than merely as criminals. What a beautifully funny thing it would be if the Russians and the USA ended up merely swapping places in terms of individual freedom.

Barry Pruett

Way to go Paul!

Bill Tozer

Darn, I wasted by last post in the Sandbox instead of here. :). Have a good day, Mr. Scenes and Mr. Walt.

“The former hippie cum.....”. Dr.Rebane. Did I read that right.?

scenes

"Darn, I wasted by last post in the Sandbox instead of here."

It's good to escape the hoi polloi and discuss matters of import.

I have to admit that the Mueller Star Chamber has made me do an about-face in terms of some attitudes towards the legal system. While it's easy to assume that perps are always guilty, watching both the FISA court and Mueller has made me begin to appreciate how arbitrary justice can be in this country and how overly powerful an ambitious prosecutor's office can be. The fact that these guys want to run a coup adds a special sauce to the situation.

The short version is that if they have it out for you, anyone can be ground ever so finely by the US legal apparatchiks. I'm not at all certain how you could reconstruct it to be a more reasonable thing, but I think I can see how some defendants are ground under it's heel.

fish

Posted by: scenes | 25 January 2019 at 03:38 PM


Can anybody explain to me why you would ever talk to the feds......about anything?

If I know somebody is with the “justice” dept and they ask me what the weather is like I’m telling them to talk to my attorney!

fish

Ahhhhh.....JoKe.....decided to venture out of the safe confines of jeffys cat box did he?

George Rebane

RobertC 1146am - You truly are out of your element here, you even missed identifying the correct domain for what to you is "babble".

scenes

R.Stone indictment.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5694750-Indictment-charging-Trump-associate-Roger-Stone.html

Counts are on page 21. In Blue Mob America, they are obviously worth a lifetime prison term.

Don Bessee

The fakenews machine and their toady's act like they had some massive win today. A little perspective might help make clear where things are actually going in just a bit. -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-faces-unfamiliar-jolt-us-govt-shutdown-row-024910645.html


https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-national-emergency-declaration-draft-7-billion-wall-funding-2019-1


Roger Stone indictment isn't good news for those seeking Trump impeachment

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/25/roger-stone-charges-indictment-richard-nixon-what-do-politician-column/2678017002/

;-)

L

Scenes @ 3:38 Small correction, they are currently running a coup. Not the South American kind by the military, but by the deep state in its full Fascist glory. The head in Mueller himself forced to assume command when Goliath screwed the pooch in letting Hillary go. The rest of the players, including the CIA colluders, are well known to everyone here. L

L

Typo "is Mueller"

L

Note that Comey's FBI attack dogs were immediately assigned to Mueller's witch hunt.
Hmm... come to think of it, Comey chose Mueller. Deep state, fascist to the core.

Bill Tozer

“The 25jan19 Union ran an Other Voices column by a Mr Joe Keeble who demonstrably has bad luck when he tries to think. In his contribution to now normative Trump bashing (a good day to do it given the Roger Stone indictment) the gentleman confuses levels with rates (the popular progressive pastime of ‘derivative diving’)............

I will take the above quote as a lead-in to Roger Stone and hopefully those who have the ability to think can easily follow. I seriously doubt the Joe Keebles and popinjays of our community possess anything resembling cognitive thinking necessary to understand at even the most rudimentary level.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/roger-stone-indictment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

scenes

"Deep state, fascist to the core."

'Fascist' tends to imply snappier uniforms than the Green Libertarians own, although their street soldiers are definitely working on a stylish look.

My own take is that it's business as usual. The US government finally metastasized into something that's similar to all large governments in the past and is intertwined with a number of large companies. I'm not sure if it was WWII or the closing of the Western frontier that brought it about, probably the former.

Every now and again in Europe there would be a kind of populist uprising as jus' regular folks realized they were being screwed. You find a Trump (or Marcel) to put in front of the crowd and attack the palace. Eventually the elite (and the people who get free bread from the elite) get their act together and it's brutally put down. The Wheel of Fortune keeps on keepin' on.

The fact that elderly hippies and the Blue Mob view their alliance with GoogleObamaBushAmazonFBI as a Good Thing amuses me no end. The religion of LGBTQLMNOP and xenophilia was a well constructed one and gives a kind of plausible deniability for looking out for the interests of the War Party.

MMM

,,,Ha Ha Ho Ho Wahoo!!! Look at all the “Soviet Union”, “Deep State”, “Blue Mob”, “Bolshevik” invectives being hurled against the fan from the wrong side and blowing back in their faces
,,,What no “Nazi” yet???


scenes

re: BillT@7:02AM

The beautiful thing here is the ability for the War Party to apply modern technology.

There's nothing new about setting up a political Star Chamber, catching people in a snare of words, threatening them, and casting additional nets with your new 'witnesses', but technology has added a new twist.

The surveillance state allows what were once private conversations to become permanent record. Any threat, slightly illegal suggestion, discussion (ie. a 'conspiracy') becomes fuel for the executioner. Everyone is a criminal, the trick is to avoid the eyes of The State and the Blue Mob.

Seriously, we all need to start to pick up the discreet habits of Soviet citizens. It'll take a while, but that's my prediction for the future.

Good thing that it's all for the children.

Walt

The "m"oronic"m"ental"m"idgit returns. Party over country says it all.
I hear the goats showed up in Idiotville. Pick out a hot date?

Todd Juvinall

In the Union's 100 Years ago column there was a snippet that I found totally amazing.

"House votes to bar immigration into U>S> for four years."

What are the odds this could happen again?

George Rebane

scenes 832am - I think you nailed it Mr scenes. Our security and law enforcement agencies are a skip and a jump away from becoming America's Stasi on Steroids. While China is developing a political correctness index (PCI) for all of its citizens so as to make it convenient to allocate (work, travel, recreation, shopping, ...) privileges and also monitoring and surveillance resources, there is nothing to stop our Stasi from also doing that in a confidential manner. Both countries know that such a metric is very convenient for doing all kinds of (Bayesian) inference to predict and interdict behaviors. We already have credit scores, and who knows what other 'suitability' scores that companies insert in our files, so it's not a stretch for the feds (states?) to develop and append PCIs to the files they already have on all of us.

Bill Tozer

Scenes @ 2x this morning

“My own take is that it's business as usual. The US government finally metastasized into something that's similar to all large governments in the past and is intertwined with a number of large companies.........Seriously, we all need to start to pick up the discreet habits of Soviet citizens. It'll take a while, but that's my prediction for the future.”

Ah, yes, the Guardians of our Republic. Big Brother is watching you, the thought police will eventually find you out no matter how much effort one tries to conceal, and the Blue Mob will have their daily Two Minutes Of Hate to facilitate perpetrate the Guardians of the Republic. My mind keeps going back to Chapter One of 1984 these past few days...as well as the old Japanese saying, “The nail which stands up gets pounded down.” Mueller, as well as the NO Borders Crowd, are a hammer looking for a nail. Why the Shadow Government Guardians of the Republic are all in No Borders I cannot say. Empire Building like the EU? Empire Building with the EU? One Empire? Agenda 21!
Looking at the bigger picture I get the why the Zucklebergs, Microsofts, and Big Tech Giants feel no alliance to any country and get why The War Party does what it does. But I remain optimistic that somewhere behind the curtain, there are pockets of patriots who bleed Red, White, and Blue

1984
“The Ministry of Truth -- Minitrue, in Newspeak -- was startlingly different from any other object in sight. It was an enormous pyramidal structure of glittering white concrete, soaring up, terrace after terrace, 300 metres into the air. From where Winston stood it was just possible to read, picked out on its white face in elegant lettering, the three slogans of the Party:

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

The Ministry of Truth contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below. Scattered about London there were just three other buildings of similar appearance and size. So completely did they dwarf the surrounding architecture that from the roof of Victory Mansions you could see all four of them simultaneously. They were the homes of the four Ministries between which the entire apparatus of government was divided. The Ministry of Truth, which concerned itself with news, entertainment, education, and the fine arts. The Ministry of Peace, which concerned itself with war. The Ministry Of Love....

The Ministry Of Truth
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218376074303477&set=a.2248787309454&type=3&theater&ifg=1

I do take comfort in the fact that when one tries to set up a Global Order, it automatically triggers a Global Civil War. :)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/442017982919984/?multi_permalinks=616566822131765&notif_id=1548508875755339&notif_t=group_activity&ref=notif


Bill Tozer

Sorry (not!) this is off topic of our own music and arts producer Punchy the Teddy Bear or our local communications instructor Joseph Goebellers.....er....Joseph Keeble....but this link is one thread.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/oregon-governor-supports-mandatory-govt-visits-for-all-newborns-and-their-p?utm_content=buffer26d7a&utm_medium=WCEA%2BBuffer&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=WCEA&fbclid=IwAR16V9zRQ7uVxoqm-8Zz5vslX6DrMMe_d4Zwb4eGn9TSpQCbSJQ6NOoWTdw

fish

Posted by: MMM | 26 January 2019 at 08:27 AM


Triple M......wow dugsKKKi......it's like you're some geriatric out of shape super hero!

/swoon

What is you power......I mean other than whining about the insufficiency of the brown laboring class to service your needs at below market rates?

#classenemy

***M***

,,,The USS Brownfish breaches!!!

Paul Emery

Thanks George

We're off and running with the play. Wonderful local production written and composed by a remarkable young man. See you tonight.

By the way I never was much of a hippie. I was more of a beatnik having graduated in '62. The hippies were a little silly to me and didn't smell very good. Good music thought and the parties were fun.

fish

Posted by: ***M*** | 26 January 2019 at 10:10 AM


....he now returns to his mild mannered guise as a simple foothills dweller......super hero status unknown to those around him.

Must suck now that the phone booth is an endangered species.

Bill Tozer

Roger Stone and the defenders of our decomcracy...our enlightened betters.

https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2358172784253560/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2358234404247398/?type=3&theater

Mueller to Stone: Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09kuOAr_wkc

scenes

"Mueller to Stone: Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe."

On the real tree, Yggdrasil, you have to dedicate yourself to yourself.

The crack news team at KVMR is bonded to Minitrue. Myself? I'm still working it out.

Bill Tozer

I see your Yggdrasil and raise you one Cicero.

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/what-cicero-would-say-about-roger-stone
——————
Don’t know about the rest of you’ll, but I just can’t muster the desire nor appetite to deconstruct and rebut Joseph Goebbels’ piece in the Union. We all know where the Democrat Party stands on the issue.

I will briefly say two, maybe three things:

-There is no amnesty for economic refugees.
-Any group of people from anywhere will have in their midst a certain percentage that have mental illness, drug and alcohol addictions, are sickly, possess a propensity for violence, are sluggards, degenerates, do not have our best interests at heart, and are/or criminally insane.
-Joseph Goebbels full name is Paul Joseph Goebbels.

Bill Tozer

1/27/19 Update, Pelosi’s accent.

“Can someone explain how this latest decline in American sovereignty will be halted, or are we now finally on the socialist slippery slope?”

Well, the truth hurts. Looks gloomy...from this moment tin history. In the short term, we can’t bail on POTUS. He is all we got and he may need us now. Lose somes early, battles, but win the war. Lincoln hung in there. :)

The gloom. Mobs dancing in the streets.
https://patriotpost.us/articles/60814-shutdown-politics-where-to-now?fbclid=IwAR2U6PBwyPK2SU3d0-7VGxCd4SAxGevg2z_1KO-qRKVSpx93Dulf1AVzY34

The Quotes

The Gipper: “If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what’s at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States.” —Ronald Reagan

Advice: “It was one thing for [New York] state leaders to carry out their threat against the unborn, and another thing altogether to revel in it — cheering wildly as Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) signed the warrant for the execution of more innocents. … Sometimes, I think we become so focused on Congress and what’s going on in Washington, D.C. that people forget the importance of being involved locally — on city councils, school boards, and legislatures. The people behind this evil will come again — to your state. If there’s any hope of stopping them, we need to engage now.” —Tony Perkins

For the record: “[Alexandria] Ocasio-Cortez is the celebrity bus driver with no GPS. The liberal media treat her like a political genius, mainly because they are as dumb as she is about the benefits of things like capitalism and border walls. But despite what she and her fellow socialists in the Democrat Party think, they are not going to lead the country to a better, greater place in 2020. They’re just leading their party over a cliff.” —Michael Reagan

Upright: “So long as our nation’s newsrooms are ideological monocultures, not even the best of intentions can block the formation of a partisan press.” —David French

Race bait: “The wall itself … is a 4th century strategy for a 20th century challenge that has become a racist symbol.” —Sen. Jeff Merkley

Alpha Jackass: “Working people throughout America empathized with federal workers and were aghast at what the president was doing to them. Hopefully now the president has learned his lesson.” —Chuck Schumer

Broken clock: “I also happen to believe that the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation. … You know, they ought not to be just codified in their communities but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English and that they feel comfortable in the communities.” —Tom Brokaw, who subsequently apologized for enraging the leftist mob

And last… “What the president wants is not unreasonable. It’s a fraction of what Democrats have voted for in the past. And … achieving border security is the key that unlocks the door to doing other things on immigration that he’s expressed a willingness to do. … So, I hope people will separate the tactics from the policy, because I think the policy is reasonable and solid.” —Marco Rubio
———————
Biker Bill sez: It is unwise to remove one’s armor before the real battle begins.
We will never retreat, but at times we have been known to far back to a better position. :).

Bill Tozer

Be of good cheer. Molly sez:

“Pelosi is the leader of the Democrats. But among the reasons that might not be a good thing for them is that Pelosi’s negative ratings shot up during the shutdown. In fact, she has a bigger spread in favorable and unfavorable ratings than Trump does. A just-released NBC/WSJ poll had 28 percent of those surveyed viewing her favorably and 47 percent unfavorably, a 19-point spread. By contrast, Trump had 39 positive and 51 negative for a 12-point spread. McConnell, for his part, has an 18-point unfavorable spread.

Speaking of what pundits get wrong, that same poll showed another interesting result. When asked to pick one of two choices for their view of government in D.C., more people chose “we need to keep shaking things up” than “we need more competence,” a suggestion of dissatisfaction with the establishment’s failures.

In fact, on this weekend’s “Meet The Press” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) signaled that Senate Republicans have no willingness to fight and no serious plan to achieve border security. Should they do nothing, Trump’s case for viewing the situation there as an emergency requiring his action would be seriously strengthened. His case that there is something seriously broken with Congress would also be strengthened.

To that extent, assuming the White House doesn’t completely muck up the next three weeks, it is wise for pundits to consider what the next three weeks hold before taking their anti-Trump victory laps.

http://thefederalist.com/2019/01/28/what-pundits-get-wrong-about-the-border-security-fight/

Bill Tozer

Re : update 1/29/2019
The energy in the Democratic Party is entirely on the left, and as Hillary Clinton discovered, the nominating process is going to drive the Democratic candidates to get as nutty as necessary to please the new generation of radical bigots." Newt Gingrich

All dictators and communist/socialist States came to power offering free healthcare for all.....just sayin.

“By itself, reparations would have been daunting, but Germany also had a financially stressed-out welfare state. Almost 90 percent of German government spending went for a big bureaucracy, social programs, money-losing nationalized businesses and other subsidies -- a portfolio of obligations uncomfortably familiar to us. The German government subsidized municipalities, much as U.S. states are begging the federal government for bailouts now. Germany had a troubled government-run pension system like our Social Security. The German government provided health insurance for millions of people. There were German government programs for 1.5 million disabled veterans. The government lavished subsidies on the arts. There were government-run theaters and opera houses. Government-owned railroads lost money. The German government even operated factories producing margarine and sausages, which lost money.“.....

The German central bank began printing stupendous quantities of paper money to pay for all this. At the peak of the inflation in late 1923, only 1.3 percent of German government spending was covered by tax revenue. The result was that in less than five years prices soared 100 billion-fold.


The German educational system, which had inspired so many American progressives, played a major role in all this. During the previous century, the government grained complete control of schools and universities, and their top priority was teaching obedience. The professorial elite promoted collectivism. The highest calling was working for the government. In 1919, sociologist Max Weber reported that “The honor of the civil servant is vested in his ability to execute conscientiously the order of superior authorities.”

Lessons for us today:

Bad economic policies and foreign policies can cause crises that have dangerous political consequences.
Politicians commonly demand arbitrary power to deal with a national emergency and restore order, even though underlying problems are commonly caused by bad government policies.
In hard times, many people are often willing to go along with and support terrible things that would be unthinkable in good times.
Those who dismiss the possibility of a dictatorial regime in America need to consider possible developments that could make our circumstances worse and politically more volatile than they are now – like runaway government spending, soaring taxes, more wars, inflation and economic collapse.
Aspiring dictators sometimes give away their intentions by their evident desire to destroy opponents.
There’s no reliable way to prevent bad or incompetent people from gaining power.
A political system with a separation of powers and checks & balances – like the U.S. Constitution – does make it more difficult for one branch of government to dominate the others.
Ultimately, liberty can be protected only if people care enough to fight for it, because everywhere governments push for more power, and they never give it up willingly.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2013/02/05/how-dictators-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#3e37394d7ff7


Bill Tozer

More on 1/29/2019. Update

It’s an agenda not just for big government, but for gigantic, enormous, jumbo, super-colossal government. In fact, the rapidly growing Democratic field has collectively moved so far to the left that it is about to fall off the edge of the political charts.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/2020-democrats-progressive-profligacy/

Companion piece by VDH

In other words, we are in a revolutionary cycle in which the old idea of Democrat or liberal is being superseded by progressivism — and then going well beyond even that. The new generation of Democrats no longer resents “socialist” as a right-wing slur, and “Communist” may well go through the same rehabilitation.

The new, new Left questions not the operation of American democracy but the very premise of American democracy. When the selection of the Senate leads to something abhorrent like a counterrevolutionary majority, then the Founders are proven wrong after all, and senators should not be apportioned two to a state but by population at large. The Electoral College should be ended entirely, to reflect the reality that America is the urbanized corridors of the East and West Coasts where the right people live. The Bill of Rights, especially the First and Second Amendments, is considered an impediment to social justice.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/progressive-politics-abolish-ice-tax-increases-free-college/

Bill Tozer

Concerning Joe Goebbels Koyote Kebble’s diarrhea spread onhis Union column...

The vehicle fencing did nothing to stop recent crossings near Lukeville and in other places on the border. In addition, some of the pedestrian fencing is easy to breach because it is old, falling apart, and was never that imposing in the first place. The Trump administration seeks to do three things: 1.) replace some ineffective pedestrian fence, 2.) replace current vehicle fence with new pedestrian fence, and 3.) build new pedestrian fence in some currently unfenced areas.

The construction of barriers dramatically reduces illegal border crossing attempts. Looking at the Yuma Sector along the border in western Arizona, in 2005, before the construction of barriers, the Border Patrol caught 138,438 illegal crossers, according to figures compiled by the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors greater restrictions on immigration. Last year, with barriers, there were 26,244 such apprehensions in the Yuma Sector.

The San Diego Sector in California is a case study in the effectiveness of a border barrier. In 1986, before the construction of a barrier, there were more than 628,000 apprehensions, while untold numbers of others successfully made it across the border illegally. In 2017, after the construction of extensive barriers, there were 26,086 apprehensions, according to the Border Patrol.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-in-border-talks-a-new-fight-for-barrier-deniers

Where do these crap for brains come from? Joe Koyote Kebble sucks as much as B Hamilton. Constipation of the brain.


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