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02 February 2019

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Walt

That's right.. A blue state singing the blues, and blames Trump..(for their own ludicrous taxation)
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/trump-tax-cuts-flee-new-york/
"The Democratic governor said Monday that changes to the federal tax law resulted in his state losing $2.3 billion in tax revenue. The 2017 law capping deduction for state and local taxes at $10,000 is the reason for the shortfall and immigration out of the state"

All Trump did was end the rest of the nation subsidizing the blue leach states.

“I don’t believe raising taxes on the rich. That would be the worst thing to do. You would just expand the shortfall. God forbid if the rich leave.” He called the decision to cap deductions “a diabolical political maneuver” designed to help red states.

“A lot of rich people are trying to find a way out of New York,” Barry Horowitz

California has been hit especially hard over the years. The state’s high housing prices and rising gas prices are driving away what remains of the state’s low income citizens. Those migrating from the coastal state are making their way for places like Las Vegas and Arizona, where housing prices are relatively cheap compared to California.

The Golden State saw a loss of over 138,000 people in that 12-month period"

And more are leaving, as the vary pretty Gavin, looks to put the screws to us even more.

George Rebane

3M 843pm - has this dialogue gone insane? I (825am) was refuting your opening assertion "Globalization has been going on for centuries." which it has not. Where did anything about prohibiting 'discussing' the pros/cons of globalization come in????? Is this progressive thought on display?

Todd Juvinall

Trump at 45 approval today

Todd Swallows

George, did I understand you to suggest globalization has NOT been going on for centuries.

Yes it has. But one example: When the Spanish came to the Americas and planted flags they weren't playing golf. Subjugation and global trade in language, germs, agriculture, medicine, philosophies, religion and politics ensued. Two halves of the world melding, integrating (scary word among Rs) - globalization.

MMM

,,,here you go Alt Facts Walt,,,trumpski play schedule hack published by TrumpyLeaks,,,


https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-private-schedules-leak-executive-time-34e67fbb-3af6-48df-aefb-52e02c334255.html

Walt

So what hummmer? He's still been getting the job done.
No matter what your ALT reality cares to whine about.
Sooner than later the traitor will be found. And dealt with."properly"..
On good authority it's said that you have been "ALTered" as well.
Care to elaborate?,, Was it painful? Was it elective?

Todd Juvinall

Oops, Trump at 48% Paul Emery will shot himself.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_feb05

MMM

,,,Altered Walt,,,all good here, no parts missing... Thanks for asking!!!

MMM

,,,In case anyone does not know,,,some areas of the US are veritable cesspools of fringe thinking...Eastern Virginia Medical School is or was one of them. Students were probably rich white kids descended from Confederate flag waving former slave owners,,,

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/politics/northams-medical-school-yearbook/index.html

Gregory

"Students were probably rich white kids"

Meaning you don't have a clue.

3M assumed to be Keachie, the one false Scotsman, now from North San Juan that is truly a cesspool of fringe thinking. Being, too.

Walt

Says you. Just an ALT excuse. No "parts missing"? OH... So you had some added....Got it...Thanks. Hey.. If you want to live that ALT lifestyle, have at it.
No,, the majority of people won't subscribe to life according to ALT. Kinda like what your queen said. "I reject the facts and substitute them with our own." (in regards to the lawlessness on the border)
Now is this your ALT "state of the un-unified address"?
https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/kamala-harris-state-of-the-union/
Anything to disrupt standing tradition.

MMM

,,,Gregory,,,what do you think of when you medical school,,,lots of Pell grants??? Do tell,,,if you have the inside scoop???

Walt

Hummmer says"Students were probably rich white kids descended from Confederate flag waving former slave owners"
You DO realize those were DEMOCRATS...... Right?
Nothing "ALT" about that.

MMM

,,,Altered Walt,,,what is in a name??? '''Democrats''' is just a word...Republicans used to be conservatives, limited government, fiscal hawks,,, We have a two party system so they remain in name only as Democrats or Republicans...Thanks for asking!!!

George Rebane

ToddS 915am - you seem to have the same mistaken definition of globalization embraced by 3M. I have consistently used the modern meaning of globalization used by both the Right and Left (including the UN). If you have another definition you'd like to discuss, then define and label it.

In the meantime, try to grok 'single unified global governance', and let me know what part of it is confusing.

Gregory

The guy who is and, soon to be was, Governor of Virginia IS a Democrat, and certainly was a Democrat when he created the blackface/KKK motif for his yearbook.

What sort of professional or graduate school has yearbooks?

Mostly forgotten is his recent paean to 4th trimester abortion. You know, making the baby comfortable while awaiting the thumbs up or down from Mom and the doctor chosen to fulfill her needs.

MMM

,,,George,,, I cannot remember if Steve Forbes has been kicked to the curb by Conservatives but here is his take,,,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2011/11/02/columbus-father-of-globalization/#7ce8762e2f4b

Todd Swallows

Better add globalization to your private glossary of terms.

Webster says:
the process by which businesses or other organizations develop international influence or start operating on an international scale.

PIIE: Globalization is the word used to describe the growing interdependence of the world's economies, cultures, and populations, brought about by cross-border trade in goods and services, technology, and flows of investment, people, and information

Is this not exactly what I described regarding the Spaniard and the America's?

Interdependence of world economies would include the trading of slaves, sugar, coffee and textiles between Africa, the Americas and Europe. Globalization is not new.

Gregory

Keach, everyone knows that Globalization is what Mitt Romney was doing when shipping jobs from the US to Asia to earn sky-high interest rates for the California State Teachers Retirement System "investments".

George Rebane

MMM and ToddS re 'globalization'. Indeed both of you have used globalization in the sense of world trade and the colonization carried on by the SEVERAL sovereign nation-states and kingdoms of Europe. Forbes uses it in the same sense, so we do have a problem with 'globalization' trying to be the label for two distinct and separate meanings. As you know, I have no problem with making/adopting labels with distinct operational meanings.

I am of the school that has always used globalization in the sense of unified world governance (e.g. per Kissinger's 'World Order'), and NOT world trade and security treaties among nations that remain sovereign within their boundaries. Globalization is a dispute between the conservatives and progressives/socialists only in the sense of governance - trade is a confusing fog in such discussions. How do you want to proceed?

MMM

,,,oh dear,,,more racism at Eastern Virginia School of Confederate Medicine,,,

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/politics/northams-medical-school-yearbook/index.html

Walt

Hummmer is now working to ALT history?
Conservatism is alive and well.
As for you and yours,, just WTF happened to Democrats? Pretty much extinct. JFK would be considered "far Right" by today's standards.
The left has had to "rename" itself over and over. Dem. got turned into a title of shame, then in short order stunk up the identity of LIBeral. Progressive is now the newest steaming pile.
Now it's just COMMIE bastard, and Marxist stooge.
No problem,, it's "just a word"..... But you own it.

MMM

,,,Gregory '''Mostly forgotten is his recent paean to 4th trimester abortion''' Do you mean the US Military???

Walt

Short memory hummmer? Still rich Southern DEM rich kids honoring their roots.
What next? Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat too? Good luck selling that.

Walt

Well, Emery griped about no snow. Well,, it's here for the next two weeks. (according to the "experts")

Gregory

3m 1111am

Keach is now running on empty.

Walt

Trump is too trusting. Trump will have his back turned to the queen of the DEMned far too long. I hope there is a sniper to keep the cross hairs on Pelosi. She is sure to come out of her seat and attack him out of blind hate and rage, the moment Trump mentions "the Wall".

MMM

George,,,If you look at my 843am I paraphrased Mann '''If you look at globalization as an undulating, five-century arc...'''

My thread was a new thread,,,in your response you seemed to think I was making an argument for '''single, unified global governance''',,,mine was not related to Agenda 21,,,it was more about trade...

MMM

,,,Altered Walt,,,your short memory must have canned the fact that Trump was a Big NANCY supporter before he figured out what saps the MAGAs were.

Walt

That be the "ALT" world order. Right Dougy?

MMM

,,,here is your chance boys,,,head down to TJ and become a part of the Human Wall,,,

“Tremendous numbers of people are coming up through Mexico in the hopes of flooding our Southern Border,” Trump tweeted Tuesday. “We have sent additional military. We will build a Human Wall if necessary. If we had a real Wall, this would be a non-event!” -Trumpski

MMM

,,,it's gonna be fun if Trumpski declares a state of emergency to build the wall.

,,,next time there is a Dem or Independent in the White House and there is a school shooting,,,there could be state of emergency ordered to implement heavy gun control...

MMM

,,,were Ivanka belongs,,,

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtWZxi0FtIT/?utm_source=ig_embed

Paul Emery

I see Todd is still impressed by the discredited Rasmussen Report polling. Sad, he has such a short memory. They were 9 points off the mark in the midterms. We had a detailed discussion about this. Gregory was a Rasmussen supporter back then but he doesn't brag about them anymore like Todd does. .


"Rasmussen's final poll was the least accurate of any of the 32 polls. They had the Republicans ahead nationally by one point. Democrats are currently winning the national House vote by 8.6 points. That's an error of nearly 10 points.
Of course, it's possible for any pollster to have one inaccurate poll. Fortunately, for statistical purposes, Rasmussen released three generic ballot polls in the final three weeks of the 2018 campaign.
The average Rasmussen poll had Democrats ahead by 1.7 points on the generic ballot. That's an underestimation of their eventual position of nearly 7 points. This made Rasmussen's average poll more inaccurate than any other pollster. "

Paul Emery

link

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/politics/poll-of-the-week-trumps-favorite-pollster/index.html

MMM

'''The Real Cost of Trump’s Border Wall on Your Wallet
Trump claimed that the cost would only amount to $12 billion. But even that amount isn’t that low when contrasted with the $2.3 billion spent on physical barriers for the entire period between fiscal years 2007 to 2015. Plus, an internal report by the Department of Homeland Security estimated the cost of the wall to be much higher at about $21.6 billion, and even that could be an underestimation, according to the Brookings Institution.

According to a report by the Government Accountability Office, the DHS report didn’t provide enough comprehensive analysis to convey the true cost of the wall and its inefficiency, which will ultimately cost the American taxpayer.

Here’s a breakdown of construction cost estimates according to various sources:

President Trump: $12 billion
House Speaker Paul Ryan: $15 billion
Department of Homeland Security: $22 billion
The Washington Post: $25 billion
Senate Democrats: $70 billion
Besides the cost of the physical construction of the wall, there also is all the paperwork. For example, there are legal fees that must be paid in order to acquire the land where the wall is going to be constructed. Even after acquisition, the U.S. government still has to compensate the former owner, which will raise the total bill on the construction of the border wall.

Then there is the economic cost of the wall beyond the immediate acquisition of land, legal fees and construction. Mexico is America’s third-largest trading partner. Foreign-born workers in the U.S. account for about 16 percent of the labor force as of August 2017, and they frequently work in key domestic businesses like automotive manufacturing. In addition, foreign-born workers still actually contribute to the U.S. Social Security fund. In 2010, according to the Brookings Institution, undocumented workers contributed $13 billion to Social Security.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/real-cost-trump-border-wall-195830968.html

Todd Swallows

MMM 12:00

,,,it's gonna be fun if Trumpski declares a state of emergency to build the wall.

The dumbest thing Trump could do is declare a State of Emergency. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the Dem's end game. They will all act offended, but not too much. He gets his wall but in a few years the Dems get climate change, guns, healthcare, education . . .

I'm certain his advisors have warned him, but who needs advisors when you're Donald Trump?

George Rebane

MMM 1208pm - What porosity rate (#illegal aliens/year) for our southern border is acceptable to you? Without your telling us your number, all the other talk is bullshit without basis.

scenes

"MMM 1208pm - What porosity rate (#illegal aliens/year) for our southern border is acceptable to you?"

I can pretty much answer that one.

1) Everyone that is currently in the US has a legal right to be here.
2) In trade, there's some unknown, unfunded amount of border security to be added.

Wait 10 or 20 years. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Seriously, there's no point in even asking. It's all a lie.

Todd Juvinall

Trump is kicking butt in the polls. Up to 48%. The dems are apoplectic.

Gregory

Trump approval 48%, a -3 spread

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

MMM

,,,No George,,,talk '''A Wall'' is a bullshit catchphrase,,,You could build hundreds of miles of wall without affecting porosity to any significant degree. You could build "fire lookout towers" every 10 miles in those areas and do the same thing.

Where is the budgeted plan showing details of the areas that walls are proposed??? There is a billion dollars in the bank for wall construction and Trump cannot even come up with a real plan...

George Rebane

scenes & MMM - I'm not arguing for building anything when I ask what porosity you both would accept as a definition of a 'secure border'. I'm looking for what's known as a criterion or utility function, which when known allows progress in discussing such concepts and assessing alternative approaches. Without that we're reduced to the pabulum you guys have been spewing here for weeks (months?), and getting nowhere. I have told you mine which is 15K illegal entrants per year. What's yours?

Paul Emery

Todd, Gregory, What a laugh, you are still touting the Rasmussen Polls. what gives you confidence they are accurate?

scenes

"I have told you mine which is 15K illegal entrants per year. What's yours?"

Zero would be a good number, but impractical and probably of negative value.

I'd highgrade the competition. Rather than just whipping up a number like 15k, I'd start with looking at countries with fairly restrictive regimes (Australia, Switzerland?).

I'll suggest several cadres...

. People and immediate family (spouse and children) with recognized graduate degrees in technical subjects between the ages of 20 and 40.
. Investors with a minimum of $X,000,000 (1 million? 5 million) to invest locally + spouse.
. Retirees as a subset of investors
. (experimental) a marketplace where US citizens can exchange citizenships with foreign nationals including all benefits (SS, Medicare, pensions, etc. ) if desired. Money can change hands here as a form of arbitrage.
. A tiny handful of refugees (5k a year or under) who are doing US dirty work overseas. Good for trading for intelligence or translate workers.
. No chain migration.

Everyone is under a probation. No felonies. Minimum English skills after so many years (5?).

Total number? I'd go 100k under those rules.

scenes

Whoopsie...I didn't read the illegal part of your question. I was assuming immigration from all sources.

It's impossible to shut down 1/2 of illegal immigration (or so) due to the amount of overstayed visas. In-country law enforcement needs to be amped up quite a lot.

Physical porosity on Mexican border? I'll throw out 10% of the current number, obviously it's a matter of decreasing marginal value. There's bound to be an inflection where any more becomes impractical. Lemme look that up.

Todd Juvinall

Funny how Paul Emery still thinks his polls are right. They are wrong and he just can't accept it. In an Iowa poll, Trump over Warren and Schultz and he is over 52% Looks like Trump might be a shoo-in. Of course, all the Trump haters will commit suicide if that happens.

MMM

,,,George,,,ok, let's use 15k

But that still doesn't explain what percentage of physical wall gets you to that number...or if lookouts, guard shacks, patrols, concertina wire, electronics, etc. will get you there also and at less cost.
The wall will be financed by China. The other methods could be pay as you go.

Walt

And to deliver the butthurt response,, "sour grapes" Stacy.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-troll-stacey-abrams-over-sour-grapes-defeat-ahead-of-democrats-sotu-response

And all of a sudden the buzzard of Broad St. refuses to believe his own poll. It's blasphemous to say anything other than DOWN where Trump is concerned.

Noe be sure to strip search Queen Nan for ANY knife, dagger or dirk
she could assault President Trump with. She is well known for backstabbing.

Paul Emery

Todd has a habit of subscribing to loser polls. What was it? the Unsqewed poll of '12 that had Romney winning by eight and now the discredited Rasmussen poll that is the only one that has Trump within 10 in job performance. He's a failed local politician and developer that can't hold a job for an organization he created so what else can you expect.

Walt

Watch out!! Dougy is trying to do MATH!!! Would that be the old "new math"? Common Core math? (you REALLY need to show your work with that one.) Or just Close is good nuff?(better define "close")
Maybe some ALT math no one has heard of yet?

Walt

But Paul.. You were just singing the praises of Rasmussen just last week when Trump was down.

scenes

3M: ",,George,,,ok, let's use 15k

But that still doesn't explain what percentage of physical wall gets you to that number"

That's as easy as pie to determine.

Simply build some wall and see how much that helps. The areas (and type of wall) needed should be obvious to the BP. Need more or add improvements? Do it. Setting aside budget for physical barriers doesn't imply putting down 1800 miles of post holes followed by 1800 miles of posts.

Unfortunately, Saint Pelosi has decreed that not one penny can go into a wall because it's not who we are as Americans.

MMM

,,,yes Scenes,,,Simply build some wall and see how much that helps. ,,,or do the other things and see how much that helps. In some places constructing a wall is going to be a pretty straightforward way to stop border crossings along that particular stretch of border.

Someone in gubmint has got to have data points showing evidence of crossings in various areas where attention should be focused.

Todd Swallows

Paul-
Todd barely graduated from high school, and went no further with an education. He touts how many people he gave jobs to. Ask him how many people he screwed with bankruptcies, affairs, divorces, judgements, lawsuits, and just plain sleazy business practices. He failed as a politician and he failed as a community organizer. In the waning days of his life, alone, with the curtains drawn while watching B&W TV re-runs he pretends to be a pundit, but is down to cherry picking polls that only he "approves" of.

It matters not what Trump says or does tonight, Todd has already scripted his congratulatory and groveling approval. I guarantee he will publish his drooling script tomorrow. You heard it first. Watch for it!

MMM

,,,Altered Walt,,,the conversation might get technical,,,maybe you should go sharpen your shovel or something while chanting '''Build Da Wall'''

scenes

...OK, I hit this quote from the Arizona Republic:

"According to the DHS report, the number of successful illegal entries — including people making multiple attempts — between ports of entry along the entire southern border with Mexico has plummeted from 1.7 million in 2005 to 170,000 in 2015. "

Using my number of 10%, 15k looks in the ballpark. I'm thinking purely in terms of cost/benefit here, 10% is a guess at where the cost goes to infinity.

Step 2 of course is to radically ramp up in-country enforcement. LA County supposedly has 1M illegal aliens so you are asking for a kind of revolution there, but better now than later.

scenes

3M: ",,,yes Scenes,,,Simply build some wall and see how much that helps."

So if you've made a promise to build a wall, and the House of Representatives says that you can't spend a penny on a wall, how do you 'build some wall'?

Imagine the hue and cry if the Corps of Engineers built a 5 mile test section.

If nothing else, I feel truly sorry for the ranchers and small towns in Cochise County. They are subject to the whims of the Queen of San Francisco. I suppose that was always true.

Billl Tozer

@ 3:18 pm
“Everyone is under a probation. No felonies. Minimum English skills after so many years (5?).”

Well, that means the elimination of all felonies in CA. The CA lawmakers have already poured over the Federal statues of “felonies” and have reclassified many felonies in CA as misdemeanors to protect illegals from deportation. Some illegal walks up to you, puts a knife to your throat and steals your wallet. No problem. Misdemeanor. The robber did not use a gun so it is not a felony....for deportation purposes. Criminal law after criminal law in CA has been recategorized for the sole purpose of shielding law breakers from the law. An illegal steals a gun. Misdemeanor if gun’s value is below a grand or some number pullled out of a hat. Felony? Armed robbery? I don’t see no stinkiin’ felony.

Many felonies on the federal level are called misdemeanors in CA for commmitting the exact same crime, word for word in the statute.

Just last year the State House passed a law making a particular offense a felony to deal with a problem in some jurisdictions. Not a big violent crime....something like habitually driving on a revolved license or after so many failures to appear or after selling so many cars without having title to any of them.....or repeat failures to comply after repeated convictions and warnings. Forget the exact offense......it was some motor vehicle code repeat violation that needed more teeth than the slap on wrist revolving door. “We mean it this time!”

Anyway, the outcry hit the Governor’s ears from the immigrant rights groups because if he signed the bill, illegals could be deported! It was watered down, teeth were taken out, reduced to misdemeanor, Gov signed it, illegal alien lobby happy.

See Scenes, no felonies.

Don Bessee

So the snowflakes melt when FLOTUS brings a bullied kid who shares the last name (unrelated), because why??

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/02/05/liberal-pundits-outraged-that-potus-invited-bullied-trump-boy-to-state-of-the-union/

;-)

Todd Swallows

Addendum to my 3:51-
"I guarantee he will publish his drooling script tomorrow." He might even do it today.

Scenes - I agree with you. What is stopping the ACOE from building "test" sections of wall on Federal land?

George Rebane

3M 327pm - You are now confusing a utility that evaluates designs with the design itself. No utility function is a design of the target system, it's simply a tool to evaluate competing designs. Once we adopt something like, say, 15K illegals/year, we can be off to the races. If you don't see this then I'll have to construct a tutorial on system optimization for the lay reader. I'm more than up to that if the result will be a greater understanding how making public policy will benefit from such a systems approach, instead circling the barn in politics.

So the question is, do you see how a utility function can drive the design of a border security system? I hope you can answer YES. If you do, I'll then refine the utility to read, 'Minimize the 10-year amortized (present value) cost of a border security system for our southern border that will have the expected porosity of 15K illegal entrants per year.' This now includes enough out-years to incorporate operating costs along with the initial build-out. Am I being clear to you?

Bill Tozer

Stacy Abrams gave the best speech ever ever in the history of civilization in response to the SOTUS. Inspiring, Churchilliian. Has not happened yet, but the script is already written by the fakenews lametstream News Director popinjays.

Trump’s speech was divisive, blaming everything on immigrants...people of color. All society’s ills Trump blames on poor teenagers from El Salvador. That script has already been writtten as well.

“Trump is the warm up act to Stacey Abrams.” —-THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.

https://babylonbee.com/news/kermit-gosnell-to-attend-state-of-the-union-as-pelosis-special-guest

Bill Tozer

Darn, I am loving my taxes this year. Even get a nice fat refund for my usual prepayment of taxes.. Last yrear I had to cut a check to Uncle Sam. Not this year. Cool beans.
—————
Well, one arrest made, one more to go......in Nevada City. Explains the disturbing sick fetish of FOTUS’s footwear.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2185097/japanese-shoe-sniffer-admits-stealing-used-footwear-sexual

Walt

LIBbys sure are desperate. They love to claim "walls don't work" yet work everywhere they are built. Kinda like saying "impeach Trump", yet can't even come up with an actual crime to charge him with.

LIBS are pretty much a political dumpster fire.
Pre rebuttals to the State of the Union by whiny LIBS is an all time new low.

Don Bessee

While the crime numbers on illegals are hard to pin down because states vary what they record as in don't ask if they are legal and so on. So this study went the other way -

Illegal aliens concentrated in ten U.S. states are up to more than five times as likely to be in prison for crimes than American citizens and legal immigrants, a new study reveals.
Research by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) analyzed states with the highest concentration of illegal aliens — including Arizona, California, Florida, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Texas, and Washington — debunking claims by the big business interests and open borders lobby that the illegal alien population is generally harmless to Americans.

For example, the FAIR study found that in New Jersey, which has a generally small prison population, illegal aliens are about 5.5 times more likely to be incarcerated than American citizens and legal immigrants.

In Arizona, a border state, illegal aliens are about four times as likely to be in prison as Americans and legal immigrants, as well as 3.5 times as likely in Washington, and about 3.7 times as likely in Oregon.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/05/study-illegal-aliens-up-to-5x-more-likely-to-be-in-prison-than-americans/

;-)

Bill Tozer

First, the 1.2 billion for border security contains a clause that not one penny can be spert on concrete. Diaper heads like MMM are walking Encyclopedias of Worthless Information. Bad Organge Man Trump has a billion and doesn’t build a wall o fence!! Footings require concrete, ass hats.

Second, all the drones and survelliance does is tell someone in an office that another 5,000 illegals have crossed into the country and go out and try to find them. That is not stopping anyone from entering the country. Too late. Idea is prevention.

Third, we have no idea how many illegal aliens have made it across the border undetected. Llike dope (and dopers) , we can only say how much has been interdicted, how many caught. We can only guess how many have already snuck in like thieves in the night and we really don’t know.

Fourth, if Walls don’t work, why did milllions across the globe follow with much interest the breaking news of the Berlin Wall coming down?

Fifth, polls.

https://m.facebook.com/RowdyConservatives/photos/a.217983685002343/1542551112545587/?type=3&source=48

Don Bessee

I never used my ancestry to advance my carear - fauxcahantas. Uh, well there is this -


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-listed-race-as-american-indian-in-newly-revealed-texas-state-bar-card-from-1986

;-)

Bill Tozer

Oh my. Bad Orange Man said that? Oh no, he is going there? Incoming.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217444792248135&set=a.1702722484302&type=3&theater

Todd Juvinall

Trump knocked it out of the park and the democrats looked like Venezuelans. Great!

Todd Juvinall

Oh my, now the defeated whiner for the Georgia Governor is droning on about how terrible everything is. These democrats sure spoil the party.

Barry Pruett

Trump have a wonderfully unifying speech. America. We are one people. One.

Abrahms speech is more diivisive rhetoric. Democrats are divide and conquer. It is disgusting and history will not treat our current democrats kindly.

Todd Juvinall

Listening to the democrat response to Trump I say this. You all need to commit suicide since you think all is terrible and lost. My goodness is there anything happy in your lives? Sad sacks all. And freeloaders.

MMM

,,,oh no Mr. Bill!!! po lil trumpski cannot spend the billion on the wall,,,that is so sad...

Walt

It's a wonder queen Nan has any cheek left.
She was chewing on it all night.

And looking at files. How disrespectful. It's not like she needed to take notes.
And when baby killing was the subject,, well you all saw..

And trot out a loser to give the so called rebuttal?
With thinking like that, it's Trump in 2020 by a landslide.

Walt

Well Dougy,, walls and doors work pretty well against you.

Tell us again how they don't.

Barry Pruett

Trump will be above 50% by Friday. This SOTU will move the needle as democrats are boxing themselves into the party of divisiveness.

Bill Tozer

17 years is a long time to spend in Afghanistan, a 100 years more would not be enough. I can empathize with the loyalty of those still in the zone going above and beyond everyday chasing down the Talibans and dealing with local issues/messes everyday, Battle zone. Now here comes the but.....

Maybe Trump can get us out of there. Made no promises by any means. It would be nice. And today in a preemptive strike, the Wa Compost and Clinton News Network warned that as the US pulls out, Russia moves in!

Big powers are always moving in. Russia has already been in there for many years. It’s not like they don’t know the terrain.

Who could be against another try to negotiate a peace in Afghanistan, even a fragile peace? War Party says no.

Bill Tozer

Did not hear Stacey Abrams big rebuttable. Probably was moving. Some may have believed her. She certainly was moving down at her daddy’s Union Hall. That’s my little girl, my baby!
Don’t know if TV is a good median for her. Did she drool like that Kennedy kid with The Cincinnati Bengals pennants up on the garage walls??? Did any spttle make it through the front gap?
Heard Stacey is still pissed over losing the election. Still hot about it. Yo, Iit wasn’t even close. Not even a miracle would have got her close. They are not particular to gun grabbers in Georgia, neither do they have much of an appetite for sore losers, losers.

Todd Swallows

Todd 7:39

I predicted you would write this. I did so in writing on this page. You are such a predictable weenie. I wanna gag. Trump showed himself to be a manipulating tool and you swallowed it hook line and sinker. I bet you didn't even watch the SOTU.

Robert Cross

Grate speech.. simply fantastic.. very reminiscent of another grate speech

"I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of the matter to an end..... One year of Watergate is enough." -Richard Nixon, 1974 #SOTU

"The only things that can slow economy: "foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations." -Trump, 2019 #SOTU

trump is all about the money...not much else seems to matter.. Is that why his establishments hired illegal immigrants? So he could take advantage of cheap labor? and now he throws them under the bus.. Just like he will through anybody under the bus to save his butt. But since trump is just a little leaguer that the big boys manipulate (due to his narcissistic derangement) watch Roger Stone and Putin throw trump under the bus.

"democrats are boxing themselves into the party of divisiveness." very Orwellian statement considering the truth of the matter.. I like it, words to live by. Also, don't forget that war (especially proxy war) is peace and bad news is fake news.

Todd Juvinall

Todd Swallows | 05 February 2019 at 09:12 PM
Thanks for falling into my trap. You are truly an unhinged socialist idiot and I got you. Thanks.

Robert Cross

Question: In your minds, how many indictments and convictions does it take before a 'partisan ridiculous investigation' becomes just an 'investigation into organized crime and racketeering'?

Todd Juvinall

When the Clintons get the jail time.

Bill Tozer

Barry, a preliminary in depth study suggests that among a broad spectrum of Americans (including a good number of millennials), the number one isssue that weights heavily on people’s minds which gives them angst is the divisiveness in their government....which has spilled out into our country, communities, and into people’s minds. Early indicators.
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Oh Buck, she stood for cracking down on female sex trafficing...I think? They gave a center seat on the front row!
https://www.facebook.com/BuckSexton/photos/a.568156706588519/2379989432071895/?type=3&theater

She got de-iced.

Todd Swallows

Todd-
Talk about falling into a trap - I thought you vowed to never engage!!! What a piece of stupid tripe you are.

Oh yeah, A wall will save us. $466. million of coke at sea:

https://www.ketv.com/article/us-coast-guard-seizes-cocaine-worth-466-million-on-fishing-boats/26145569?fbclid=IwAR37IScBaFKCsYJtRvWcHp4gDfhpDG556FuxkjibXIFVf_5dWd_Rm4GnGUo

Todd Juvinall

BillT looks like the orally obsessed TS can't help himself. And he is just back from Castro Street!

Todd Swallows

Todd-
Did you watch the SOTU alone? Or were you in the good company of the Duke and Mr. Ed?

How did the wall thing go with you? Did you believe it?

Bill Tozer

Yo, don’t dis the Coast Guard snipers. Just read an article about them today. They are not given the respect they deserve. We have many fine dedicated overwhelmed men and women on the front lines trying to stop the bad hombres, and some of them are even at sea. Many holes to plug. Many disperse and sundry holes to plug.
Glad we caught this Redcoat and hopefully boot his High Class Limey ass back to merry ole England. Disease carrier I bet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47119936
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No wonder she was talking about packing her bags and moving out of here just a few days ago. What is t with those D’s.

https://www.facebook.com/PresidentTrumpFanClub/photos/a.2087520887952698/2140548745983245/?type=3&theater
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Did enjoy the ladies in white robes going their hula dance. Raise those arms, move those fine hips, and dance in place. I have not seen that many Democrats in white since they started the KKK.

Now Todd, stop it with that puffery. It really eats at Swallows. Todd Derangement Syndrome appears to be similar to Trump Derangement Syndrome and COPD: progressive and irreversible. Cut it out Todd, no finger waving or puffery.

MMM

,,,Trump Lies,,,

The city's sheriff, Richard Wiles, a Democrat, disputed Trump's characterization as "falsehoods" used to "justify the building of a 2,000 mile wall."

“The facts are clear. While it is true that El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation, it has never been ... considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities," Wiles said in a statement provided to NBC News. "And, El Paso was a safe city long before any wall was built. President Trump continues to give a false narrative about a great city that truly represents what this great nation is all about."

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/05/fact-check-state-union-trump-el-paso-crime-rate-fence/2784362002/

Blll Tozer

Marty Robbins would disagree, hummer

Todd Swallows

“The foundation of our moral leadership around the globe is free and fair elections, where voters pick their leaders – not where politicians pick their voters.”

Gregory

Holding at 48%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

MMM

,,,Marty Robbins??? who is this and why would he disagree???

Todd Juvinall

Trump kicked butt last night and the democrats, especially the dem babes in white, looked out of place. Maybe cheerleaders for their favorite Mao impersonator. I expect like most of the SOTU list of "to-do's the opposing party will try and get in the way. But if you did not get a tear in your eye for the policeman shot 7 times, the little girl and the WW2 men, you are not human let alone an American.!

Gregory

The Grateful Dead performed it 389 times...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paso_(song)

MMM

,,,Golly Gee,,,border apprehensions have been steadily decreasing for years,,,

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2017-Dec/BP%20Southwest%20Border%20Sector%20Apps%20FY1960%20-%20FY2017.pdf

MMM

,,,Trump echos I am not a crook Nixon during SOU speech,,,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-calls-for-investigations-into-him-to-end-during-state-of-the-union-—-just-like-nixon-did/ar-BBTe1Ws

Robert Cross

Todd 9:24--
How many Clinton associates have been indicted and convicted versus how many trump associates have been indicted and convicted? Your Clinton Derangement Syndrome is showing once again. Perhaps if you took that galvanized bucket your wear on your head to protect yourself from the truth off your head you might see the world in a clearer picture. Because as it stands your view is very clouded by BS. BTW - Clinton is not the President so no one besides extreme right wingers who use CDS as their excuse for trumpski's failures as a president, really gives a crap about Hillary or Bill.

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