Quo Vadis Nevada County? (updated 8mar19)

George Rebane

Actually, Nevada County is going nowhere now that it has adopted ‘San Francisco values’ to contribute to the state’s new appellation as the ‘Far Left Coast’ described by Dr Charles Kesler, professor of government at Claremont McKenna College.  Our Democrat controlled state has seen a steady decline that has recently accelerated as a one-party state with super-majorities everywhere you look.  The last election gave us what can only be called Democrat hyper-majorities that are kicking our adoption of socialism into high gear.  Kesler observes –

The Democrats’ crushing dominance allows them to use California as a progressive policy laboratory. As a result, the state has the highest welfare numbers (a third of all Americans on welfare live in California), the largest contingent of illegal immigrants, a burgeoning homeless population, onerous regulations on business and private property, mediocre public schools, high income taxes (the highest marginal rate is 13.3%) and sales taxes, a yawning gap between rich and poor, its own summer blend of expensive gasoline, bedraggled and crowded roads to punish people further for driving, and a widely mocked high-speed rail boondoggle. (more here)

Not to be a laggard in the race to the Left, Nevada County progressives today are promoting programs that promise to put us at the bottom of the bottom in the state.  It appears that the only community-wide programs and policies we encourage are those designed to attract the poorest, most indigent, homeless, substance abusing, and least educated.  In the latter case the Nevada Joint Union High School District has announced that it will cut the last Advanced Placement Calculus course from its curriculum due to declining enrollment, explaining that "We are not trying to push students to move too fast in math, as the experts in the field have placed greater value in foundational algebraic skills."  According to Dan Frisella, NJUHSD Assistant Superintendent, “the state created new standards five years ago that put a higher emphasis on slowed progression in mathematics. The result was supposed to bring long-term success in the subject.” (more here)  Well, guess what? - their experts’ “result” ain’t doing no such thing; we are instead skidding downward according to state rankings.

Having worked with many of the county’s top STEM students for the last twelve years, I can confirm that the last concern NJUHSD should have is moving their students too fast in math.  The adoption of Common Core has dunned the state’s public education system in more ways than we can count and have covered in these pages.  The result of all this dumbing down of curriculum and tests is that grade school has become an extension of kindergarten, high school has become an extended grade school, and most lower division college curricula are now remediation high schools.  For students already here who desire to pursue STEM careers, they are being told to shift for themselves and find alternative educational outlets in order to find courses that prepare them for the higher education they need to compete in the job markets.

In the meantime, our leftwing political leadership in the county continues to tout their dedication to attracting businesses, high-tech, and middle-class families to these foothills.  However, what they actually promote are programs that “(divert) resources toward students in need of more help, which is a growing population, according to the district.  ‘Forty percent of our students come from low socio-economic status backgrounds, are English language learners, foster youth or homeless youth.’”  It is easy to see what kind of population the county is working to attract, and even easier to see how this cements a voting majority that will continue importing SF values and help insure the permanence of the Democrats’ hyper-majorities in Sacramento and across the state. 

Does any of this give anyone looking at Nevada County reasons why they would want to come here to start a cash-importing business or raise their family?

[8mar19 update]  It appears that the NJUHSD did not terminate the entire AP Calculus offering at NUHS.  The Union published this “clarification” on their website –

Clarification: The entire AP Calculus program was not cut. While AP Calculus BC was phased out at Nevada Union, AP Calculus AB is still ongoing.

However, given what Democrat-controlled Sacramento has done over the decades and continues to inflict on the Golden State, this rollback of STEM curriculum is still part and parcel of both the symptom and expression our state’s progressive disease.

As Nevada County stagnates and our remaining businesses bring in fewer dollars, the maintenance of our quality of life falls more and more on the tenuous tourist business and that silent cohort of resident retirees.  It is the retirees who so generously give of their time, talents, and treasure to support our community services, eateries and other local businesses, and cultural institutions by volunteering, serving on boards, and writing big checks.  And for that contribution to the community, these major cash importers and generous consumers are the same people who tread gently and require so little in return from our city and county governments.  Were these successfully retired residents to be driven out by the ever more visible SF values on our streets, alleys, and surrounding forests, there would be a run on 4x8 sheets of plywood.

Comments

[Gregory]

This is a further sign of the hollowing out of NUHS by draining off much of the cream into Ghidotti, but the deprecation of AP Calculus at NU is nothing new. In the mid 'oughts, my son was counseled (by a Guidance Counselor who should have known better) against AP Calculus A/B (a slightly less advanced course than B/C) in the Senior year, that AP Statistics was the crowning glory of Mathematics at NUHS.

My son took AP Stats as a sophomore (scored a 5 on the exam) and followed my guidance of taking AP Calc as a senior to hit his Freshman college year ready for anything (and he scored a 5 on that AP exam, too). And his path towards a hard science PhD did not include any more explicit Statistics than his AP Stats class.

AP Stats requires Algebra II first.

Here's what AP Calculus AB and BC requires:

Before studying calculus, all students should complete the equivalent of four years
of secondary mathematics designed for college-bound students: courses which
should prepare them with a strong foundation in reasoning with algebraic symbols
and working with algebraic structures. Prospective calculus students should take
courses in which they study algebra, geometry, trigonometry, analytic geometry,
and elementary functions. These functions include linear, polynomial, rational,
exponential, logarithmic, trigonometric, inverse trigonometric, and piecewise-
defined functions. In particular, before studying calculus, students must be familiar
with the properties of functions, the composition of functions, the algebra of
functions, and the graphs of functions. Students must also understand the language
of functions (domain and range, odd and even, periodic, symmetry, zeros, intercepts,
and descriptors such as increasing and decreasing). Students should also know how
the sine and cosine functions are defined from the unit circle and know the values
of the trigonometric functions at the numbers
and their multiples.
Students who take AP Calculus BC should have basic familiarity with sequences
and series, as well as some exposure to polar equations.

In short, Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra II, Trig/Math Analysis... then Calculus. But in the "Common Core" sequence, you're dumped into an equivalent of Algebra 1 in the 9th or even 10th grade. You can't get to Calculus... you can barely get to AP Statistics, a mathematical dead end. But it's STEM, so Mission Accomplished!

[Gregory]

An addendum to The Union story: "Clarification: The entire AP Calculus program was not cut. While AP Calculus BC was phased out at Nevada Union, AP Calculus AB is still ongoing."

So, they added AP Calculus BC in the past ten years, and now theyv'e deleted it due to a lack of interest.

AP Calculus AB is OK. This entire piece was a big kerfuffle caused by incomplete reporting by a journalist who doesn't know AP Calculus from his hole on the ground.

[George Rebane]

Gregory 154pm - Thanks Gregory.

[Paul Emery]

George writes:
"Does any of this give anyone looking at Nevada County reasons why they would want to come here to start a cash-importing business or raise their family?"

The biggest reason families would have concerns about locating in Nevada County is the lack of housing for families in the 40-70,000 income range. One of the issues discussed in voter forums for Sheriff was the lack of housing for families with that income. Both candidates agreed that recruiting sheriffs officers was difficult because of that. They said most new officers had to live in Placer or Yuba Counties because of the lack of housing. By the way Placer County also pays better wages than Nevada County. So you have higher wages and lower housing costs. Why should they want to work here?

[Ozz]

"Does any of this give anyone looking at Nevada County reasons why they would want to come here to start a cash-importing business or raise their family?"

Butt simple: Quality of life. Palo Alto has fantastic schools, but try raising livestock, having horses, a large organic garden and an orchard in the back yard of Stonehill and Golden Lantern. Our kids can ride dirt bikes, shoot guns, go fishing, hunting and skiing. Your choice would be a concrete jungle. Go for it George.

[Gregory]

OK, so here's the scoop:

The AP Calculus BC is cut. AP Calculus AB continues as before.

If my kid could make it to UC Berkeley and earn an A+ in Multivariable Calculus his freshman year with only the AP Calc AB under his belt, it's likely not to slow your kids down, either.

And the German program is dealing a blow to third and fourth year German. Not the first and second year.

I think it laughable that the kiddies who wanted 4th year German and Calc BC would think of shaking down local "STEM" companies for the $20k the district is short. A fourth year of German and Calc BC over AB just isn't worth the effort. Keep your powder dry for the real fights.

Hmmm... maybe lobby local districts for Math and Science programs that lead to AP Calc BC and a Calculus based Physics in the 12th grade, starting in the 1st grade, leading to Algebra 1 in the 7th or 8th grades and a full four years of college prep math in high school?

...
Nahhhhh!

[Gregory]

punchy 520pm

So, the answer to not enough housing in Nirvana County is to make it easier for builders (yes, folks like Todd J) to get building permits with a minimum of fees. In the good ol' days, that people wanted to move into an area was seen as a good thing and it was expected the infrastructure costs would be pay as they go. A house gets built, the buyer pays taxes, everyone wins.

Now, the average mitigation fees paid before the new home even gets occupied are how much?

[Don Bessee]

G- Its around 40k before you move dirt.

;-)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 07 March 2019 at 05:20 PM
Now that is rich you hypocrite. You personally fought my 23 unit affordable housing project in Grass Valley along with Peter Van Zant and his RQC pals. And you won. All to get your candidate elected over Fran Grattan. Well 23 families could have had a nice little home but you destroyed their dreams all for politics. So as far as I am concerned you have no stance to even discuss housing. And then you got a subsidized house out on 49 where the taxpayers foot the bill. Mine project was all free enterprise. What a louse you are.

[Gregory]

And who *ultimately* pays that $40k (I'd have guessed double that)? The developer, or the poor schmuck who buys the place to have a place to live and raise a family on an entry level salary?

[Todd Juvinall]

Those houses in GV on Ridge at Slate Creek are all sold. And they were 400K and higher on a teeny lot. That is what the lefty ilk want so families are outta here. Look at the school closures andsee what the left has brought to Nevada County.

[Paul Emery]

Still fretting over your failed trashy development that had no access for school buses and would require kids to walk half a mile to the highway in dangerous traffic conditions to get to a bus stop. It was a piece of crap and even you're Republican colleagues on the BOS agreed. Dave Tobiason was a friend of mine and he told me it was a piece of crap and he couldn't support it.

You say I got a "subsidized house out on 49 where the taxpayers foot the bill."

Huh?? What are you talking about. Never lived on '49. You are a lying piece of shit. Never had a government subsidy in my life for housing. Prove it or go home.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

I agree with the essence of your 7:05. Not with every detail though,

[Bill Tozer]

Affordable housing and QofL.
“Don’t Roseville Grass Valley” is a refrain we have heard for 20 years.

There are many reasons for a lack of “affordable housing”. You can trace a hunk of it back to the push by many jurisdictions to fight urban sprawl with tight zoning restrictions in the 1970 with the Back to the Earth movement. Funny, a lot of wateshed issues we have today such as the decline of our public education system (for example) can be traced back to 1970, but I digress..
As more tax dollars are thrown at the homeless and the growth in government and personnel, I don’t see reducing mitigation fees or property taxes on the table. No way, Jose. Now we see a push for the County to get in housing business, via directly or subsides to builders, landlords, or tennats. A classic example of government trying to find a solution to a problem they caused.

Affordable housing is a QofL issue. A little elbow room, a place for the kids to ride their dirt bikes and go hiking. People move here for QofL issues and people move out to other states for the same QofL issues. And it starts with being able to live here without dog paddling frantically to keep your head above water.
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Duffy replied, “This is my amendment. Are you saying that my amendment isn’t serious?"

Waters said loftily, "We need to look for real ways to make our homes more energy efficient and sustainable. This amendment does not reflect a thoughtful approach to the topic."

Rep. Lacy Clay (D-MO) slammed Duffy for questioning the bill, prompting Duffy to answer that refusing to debate the issue was tantamount to eschewing addressing the issue of affordable housing in America. Duffy continued, "I am delighted to hear my good friends across the aisle say this isn’t serious, because it’s not serious. You’re right. To call us hypocritical, listen, we have a very good working relationship and we’re on the same page on what we have to do on housing and get more people in housing, but when you call me hypocritical for introducing this bill, I take a little bit offense to that because I didn’t sign the Green New Deal.” He added later, “I do think it's appropriate to debate it and to discredit it because I think the gentleman understands that is going to drive up the cost of housing. We're not going to put more people in a home. We're going to kick more people out of a home."

[Don Bessee]

G @731 - That's just the opening permits and then the districts fees, it does get worse and now you have the 20K in solar stuff.

;-)

[Gregory]

DB 814pm

Well, if the $20k in solar isn't forced on them, they might not buy it!

[Don Bessee]

G- Didn't the State put that solar mandate on new homes or was it just for development, I am unsure. But its a thing.

;-)

[Ozz]

Todd 7:25-
"Mine project was all free enterprise"

What in hell does a mine have to do with affordable housing? Was Emgold going to park trailers up at Idaho Maryland? I didn't see that in the plans. NU should take back your diploma. Speaking of, why haven't you provided proof of your supposed scholastic achievement in high school?

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 07 March 2019 at 07:38 PMYou know you are lying trying now to justify your hypocrisy. Half mile? Sorry you just make it up. You and your RQC pals used the project to try and defeat Fran by claiming it was unnecessary. All for politics. So cleanse your pooh filled conscience and admit you defeated a nice little housing project to somehow get your candidate elected. It is OK now, you can become clean with admittance to your transgressions.

Swallows 929 Put the bottle down and step away. Have a glass of milk and go to bed. You have a hard day tomorrow as the inmate bathroom monitor.

[Todd Juvinall]

And Paul Emery lives in a subsidized house and now denies it. What a liar. You really are demented.

[George Rebane]

"Butt simple: Quality of life." I guess that explains why the population of Nevada County has stagnated for almost 30 years, and school attendance has been declining for over ten years, and no more families with kids are moving in. Only the retirees and tourists are importing significant cash into the county to keep the service providers and govt workers employed.

But the most amazing part is that neither the local nor statewide Left understand any of it, like for example Ozz (601pm) above. As the infrastructure deteriorates, welfare recipients crowd in, homeless and druggies everywhere, schools closing, illegals robbing other states of representation, and monies from gas taxes and lotteries expropriated to pay for govt pensions and boondoggle vote buying programs (instead of their promised uses for roads, bridges, etc and education), for the Left such hyper-levels of corruption is just the norm. To them all this is invisible. And that's why we are beyond the tipping point - there is no road back.

[Todd Juvinall]

A good summation of what the left brings civilization.

[Todd Juvinall]

Looks like the FUE is headed for a record number of self post!

[AVMan]

,,,Todd,,,Thanks you po ol Pelline watcher!!!

[Todd Juvinall]

WQe watch each other. It is fun!

[Ozz]

Rebane 11:29-
You were pointedly asking why people with families would want to move to Nevada County. I gave you an equally pointed answer: Quality of Life. Your vacuous response was a spew of the ubiquitous miasma of problems that permeate the entire state, and I would argue that the cities are at a far worse state and deteriorating at a more raped rate than the rural and semi rural areas. And California is not an isolated example.

Once again, my family's pursuit of quality of life consciously supersedes a life driven toward an ever fatter paycheck and the finest public schools. When you cashed out you moved here, did you not? Must have been a reason since East Sacrament was a closer commute to your work.

[Ozz]

Rapid, not raped.

[George Rebane]

Ozz 736am - Your logic continues impeccable and true to progressive form. Don't change a thing in your contributions.

[Todd Juvinall]

Watching the misguided kidlets in their march in SacTown should make everyone nervous. Stephen Clark pointed his hand at the cops and received seven bullets. Rather than praise that felon these kids should be taking classes on how to obey a cop's command. But all we get is this canonization of felons in our country and the media back up the lies. When a cop says show your hands, get on the ground or any other commend, you do it without back talk or any move towards the officers. But these idiots think they should be able to scare the cops I guess and not get back a result.

[Paul Emery]

George writes:

Nevada County is going nowhere now that it has adopted ‘San Francisco values’ to contribute to the state’s new appellation as the ‘Far Left Coast’

Do you regret moving here George?

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Can you tell me and RR readers exactly why you claim I am living in subsidized housing? I pay a mortgage with no assistance. Also I don't live on hway 49. Where the hell did you get that information?

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery, you are a proven liar so you tell us and see if anyone believes you.

[Robert Cross]

Paul 8:45---Toad just likes to make stuff up to prove his points.. just like his idol grifter pussy grabber trump. And based on his ability to write and spell, he is most likely lying about being in the top ten of his high school class as well. Typical 4th grade playground bully stuff.

[Ozz]

Paul 8:41-
I can tell you Nevada City regrets that Rebane moved here. His pompous moaning and whining might leave the uninformed to believe that he actually represents a meaningful percentage of our population. It appears he speaks to fewer than a dozen malcontents, so perhaps I shouldn't be worried or bothered.

George and Reinette should start a club called the outliers.

[Paul Emery]

RR readers

Todd Juvinal just made that up. He's a really sad character and a self described Gigolo and male prostitute who seeks to emulate Trump because, as he has repeated over and over they are both studs and women will pay for their services. Sad legacy for an ex Supervisor and onetime leader in the Republican party.

[Robert Cross]

Do the fumes from building materials and glue kill braincells? Isn't that why formaldehyde is being discontinued as an agent in plywood, particle board, etc.?

[Ozz]

Did Todd REALLY build the jail as he claims, or did he just install the toilet paper holder in the men's room?. He seems quite fixated on the jail's men's bathroom.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 841am - Not at all. The social dynamic of California, especially as its rampant socialism now starts to infect the inland areas and the foothills, is where today's clash of contending ideas about how society should be organized is the most visible and violent. People like me are blessed to be able to be givers and have the time to partake of what history will record as a momentous clash and cleaving. Where else can you find such fine exemplars of loud and narrowly read collectivists - eg. Ozz 904am who quite naturally sees himself as the self-appointed spokesman for an entire town, and with head firmly in his own echo chambers, who has no idea about how most of the rest of the nation views California.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-has-become-the-far-left-coast-11551917067
https://pjmedia.com/trending/vdh-california-is-a-medieval-society/
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2018/mar/15/californias-middle-class-decline-despite-states-im/
http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2018/01/26/california-decline/
etc, etc,...

And all of this is totally unknown to the state's progressives (witness our leftwing commenters) as they rush headlong into ever more onerous programs and policies to bring equal opportunity destitution ('social justice') to all Californians, save their own thin line of the well-to-do power elites. It was ever thus when people discover that they can vote money for themselves out of other's pockets.

[Ozz]

Rebane 9:31-

I've been here a lot longer than you and yours. You are a relatively wet behind the ears immigrant from Southern California tooting your own brass horn and claiming to "know" what is better for us podunks. My roots are here, you are only skin deep. Don't pretend you aren't bringing your "I know better" Southern California values with you and trying to bend us to your way of life instead of adapting to the values of the community in which you chose to retire.

[Todd Juvinall]

You libs crack me up. Paul Emery, a known liar is trying to lie about me again. And his humor bone was lost years ago. Trump and I are the same. Women like us. Good looking women like us. Paul Emery can't attract anything. BoobieC is mentally challenged and his screeds here show the depth of his lack of intelligence. Meth is a scourge and perhaps that could be the issue for him? And Swallows/Ozz has no memory of how the jail was built so he is lying about his length of time here in the county. Bottom line is no one can believe anything these lefty loons write here. All nutty, all hypocrites.

[Ozz]

Todd-
If you were amazing supervisor that you claim, AND you built the jail, how come they named it Brown instead of Juvinall? Eric got his name on a building right next door. They even named a pond after the Hirschman brothers across the street. As Keoni will attest, you are a pitiful loser.

We want to see your high school transcripts. Incredibly telling that a man in his seventies still rests on the laurels of his 11th grade school score. And even that is a lie unless proven otherwise.

[Todd Juvinall]

Swallows/Ooze, if you were actually intelligent you would know the truth that I speak. But alas you are a moron. You asked about my HS status and I told you. I could care less what you think as you are not important. But take a wander over to the Rood Center (my resolution named it) and look at the brass plaque at the entrance. Then tell us whose names are on it. The jail was built after my tenure of two years on the building committee to get it done. Same on the Library. But you are a moron and have no history here to know anything. What a hoot!

The Wayne Brown was named by me and the other BOS members. You are simply a moron.

[Mary Wanna]

Ozz 7:36 - Right you are. Quality of life can mean all sorts of things. Large real estate parcel size or sparse traffic or access to rivers or forests or absence of minorities or preponderance of like-minded people. Quality of life and jobs sometimes go together but that is the exception not the rule IMHO.

Just giving poor people low-income housing is not the solution. Giving them good paying jobs so they don't need low-income housing is a better idea.

I have noticed what I think is a dearth of commercial or industrial zoned properties. First you need a place for businesses to begin. Look at all the Marijuana businesses clustered in one building on New Mohawk and a few of Bost Ave. in Nevada City. In a way that is a good thing but it shows how few spaces are available to rent.
I blame the lame city and county good ol boys in office that have no vision. Supposedly they are pro-business but they refuse to walk the talk.

Poor Todd, measuring 'himself' again.

[Ozz]

Todd you are a laugh a minute-

My name is on a plaque so that proves I'm good. You happened to be (temporarily) on the BOS at the time the plaque was poured. So was GB Tucker. BFD. Another government big spending monument to self. Yep, proof you were a proponent of spending OPM.

[Todd Juvinall]

OOoze/Swallows 1135, your logic and hearing and reading skills are missing. Never said I was "good" just better than you. You could not do one tenth of what I accomplished for the people of the County. You are a moron. GB Tucker came to the BOS after we built the Rood. You really are an ignoramus about local history. And yes I voted to spend the money we allocated in the budget. That Rood Center saved the taxpayers millions a year and I am very glad to have helped do that.

[George Rebane]

Ozz 953am - Now what does your comment have anything to do with my 931am? Is this more of you logic showing itself in these comment threads. I was just answering PaulE's question.

But for those equally astute as you, I might add that there is nothing of SoCal values that I or anyone with my outlook would take with them anywhere. SoCal values are maybe a skosh better than SF values, but still so far removed from mine that they caused us to move here. My familiarity with NC actually started around 1990 when I was offered a job here, and continued with frequent visits until we arrived in 2002. Since then we have seen a marked deterioration of the community as SF values were adopted by the resident and arriving progressives.

For the record, you really don't know anything about me as witnessed by your having yet to utter one true thing as you attempt to debate by speaking for both sides.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, have ya solved the Affordable Housing crisis yet? This area is akin to a community like Carmel. We are backed up against the Sierra. Got with National Forest land up the hill, BLM land all around, steep canyons, watershed issues, no where to expand, limited infrastructure. So, where are all the box apartments going to? Add more on Dorsey Drive? And what about all those employers who are going to provide good paying jobs. Where are the next industrial parks going? Up by the airport with 10% grade in winter for trucks to try to navigate. Why did People’s Mountain Warehouse bail. What happened to the Toyota Dealrship? Ford?

As far as I can tell, GV has done its part. I was up in Cypress Hill when the 49er fire broke out. Still had dirt pads as houses were still being built. The Cedars got built, GV pretty much built out. Banner Mountain is pretty much filled up. Where next? Up Bennet to Brunswick? Past the Willow? Expand Chief Kelly? Go out towards Edwards Crossing? Sure, but those lots and parcels will be filled homes that are not considered affordable by today’s lingo....nor close to town. Portable water? Sewer?

One thing we don’t make is more land. Change zoning? Lose the character of the towns and area? Building 9-11 Habitat for Humanity units every year or so ain’t going to cut it, but something is better than nothing. More Granny units? Mini-homes are not what I think of when thinking of raising a family or QofL, but that’s just me. Neither am I fond of being an apartment dweller.

I would not knock retirees. Property taxes pay for the schools and retirees don’t use K-12 education. :). Without retirees we would not have 400 non-profits per square foot. :)

Todd building or not building 23 homes back then would not have made much difference of the overall problem we face today.
When I settled down here the last time, I asked an old raw land dude who knew every hill and parcel around these parts like the back of his land to look into his crystal ball and tell me the future...for growth. He said Big Oak Valley and someday “Camptonville will be considered close to town.” That was many moons ago, decades. Time will tell.

Then we cannot separate ourselves from the State. Nowadays, instead of taxes and “revenue” and resources going directly to the County, it gets sent to the state and the state takes its cut and sends it back whatever they deem back to the counties and municipalities.
What worries me is that 1/3 of CA’s budget goes to Medi-Cal and HALF of all births in CA are covered by Medi-Cal. Just under 1 in 5 of the entire nation’s folks who live under the poverty level live in CA.

Affordable? Affordable ? You may not like my reference to Carmel, but some folks simply cannot affford to live here...or Carmel or Tahoe.

PS: That old raw land guy finished his forecast with “the people coming here love our history but hate the miner and logger.” Clash of the cultures.

[Todd Juvinall]

BillT 105, I understand that 23 homes would not have solved the bigger problem we have. But at the time that was the only project in the whole county. East and west. And the MLS had just a few houses for resale. Therefore high prices with a small supply. But the point was Paul Emery and his gang od eco-warriors used the project to try and smear Fran Grattan who I was supporting and they tossed their "values" for affordable housing out the door for a political victory. But I beat their candidate and them and they beat 23 police officers and teachers out of a home. Now Emery is trying to rewrite history.

[Ozz]

Todd 11:42-
"GB Tucker came to the BOS after we built the Rood." No kidding Sherlock. He was a certifiable baboon*, almost as dumb as you, and a lefty - to show I'm not tossing values in this mix. I mention him as a shining example that it can take nothing more than a warm butt to fill a seat on the BOS.

Admittedly your butt is one of the biggest and by year 2 was the target of your own constituent's boot prints. Kind of like at CABPRO, you talk your way into the front door and they can't wait to show you out the back.

Spell check flipped buffoon into baboon, but I'll keep it :-)

[Todd Juvinall]

OOZE/Swallows, still can't get you history or your personal attack right. You are truly a moron. You brought up GB Tucker not me yet in minutes you forgot that. That is called dementia bub. I served for eight years and Tucker only made it four. And we were polar opposites politically. He was like you a proggy idiot. Now dead I still respect his service in the Marines even though you were in Canada fleeing your drafting. Regarding my size, sorry I am in good shape 6-4 230 and my keister is chased by many pretty women. Yours is ought in the inmate's shower.

[Ozz]

Todd 2:42
Congratulations on your weight loss. At your age it's not easy to do. I hope you can keep it off. Last time I saw you, you were pushing 260. Now you have the physique of Trump. Keep at it. May your women bring you joy, and may you tip them well.

[Todd Juvinall]

OOZE?Swallow 259. You have never seen me as I have never weighed more than 230 (1992). Why lie you moron? Also just saw that you were drunk and drove of the road and hit a house off Ventana Sierra. Better get help.

[George Rebane]

Stay on the topic please.

[Todd Juvinall]

The topic you have written about is on display with these OOze and Swallow types that have come to infest the county. They have taken over and are wrecking the place. Now they are attacking you and me and others to shut us up. All personal insults all the time. Sorry that we have to return fire.

[Bill Tozer]

Stem has math in it, right?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=591840841261387&id=443476065755081&ref=m_notif&notif_t=group_activity