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17 April 2019

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Don Bessee

A touch of sanity in Laguna Beach -

The Laguna Beach City Council initially approved the American flag lettering for its police department. But after some accused the department of being too aggressive and militaristic, Tuesday night the council voted again.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/04/16/laguna-beach-american-flag-police-cars/

;-)

Don Bessee

No jihadi I don't want your money or to be associated with you in any way -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/campaign-donations-from-ilhan-omar-rejected-by-at-least-2-dems

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Bill Tozer

Re: Free speech is dying at hands of corporatist giants on the internet and the Illiberals.
Illebrals in Congress, media, and social media...

Perfect case in point: Ilhan Omar’s comments about “some people did something” concerning the biggest attack on US soil and loss of American life since Pearl Harbor. Any criticism of her comment, no matter how measured and reasoned, was immediately met with a firestorm of denouncement and the screams of racism. The Enemy of the People went off on how the Terrorist Republican Hate Machine was unleashed on the poor freshman Congresswoman. It was to inflame hate and racism to trash Omar because she is a Muslim, immigrant, woman, and POC. And of course it was Trump dividing us and evil vitriolic despicable Fox News (Satan) inflaming their base into frenzied outrage with the sole purpose of endangering her life.

Trump purposely put a clip of 9/11 of Twitter to try to kill her! He wants death threats. Nazi! Take it down, Mr. President. Take it down. Never say “Never forget!” Hater! Divider Hate speech! Oh, the Addicted to Outrage Machine was in high gear.

That’s how the Left squashes free speech. The goal is to silence. When criticism (words) become synonymous with physical violence, then it must be silenced. No criticism allowed. It’s violence. It trying to kill someone. Don’t go there. No not go there, period.

I got a kick out of a conservative lady getting suspended from Twitter. She writes for an fairly well known on-line conservative site. She reposted a Dem Congressman’s words he said on the floor of the House. Just reposted his exact words on Twitter. Her account got suspended for violating community standards. No exposing them for who they are. No saying what they say. No exposing them as stupid or hypocritical. That’s not inclusive, roflmao.

Bill Tozer

“You're a threat to the Democrat narrative.” Shortly after he asked which type of conservatives and free thinkers they would come after next, eventually becoming “Anyone who disagrees with the #Democrat Narrative #censorship” as momentum builds for the “#2020Elections”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/techwatch/alexander-hall/2019/04/17/cartoonist-banned-instagram-mocking-intersectionality

scenes

re: The Internet and politics.

I can't say that I predicted the current world of monopoly and paywalls combined with the politics of the executives and employees. Given the malleability of people and the overwhelming force you can bring via social media, news sites, and schools, my money is still on Paul and the Blue Mob in the long run.

Book recommendation o' the day:
https://www.amazon.com/Age-Surveillance-Capitalism-Future-Frontier/dp/1610395697

You won't agree with all of it, but there's more here than your typical technology screed.

scenes

related to internet free speech issues:

https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/04/16/debanking-chase-bank-says-moral-character-a-reason-why-they-dont-do-business-with-those-types-of-people/

Gregory

Science doesn't rest on a pillar made of Occam's Razor. Science would stand as it is without Occam's Razor at all. It isn't necessary.

I doubt Newton, in Principia, made even one reference to Occam.

However, the Razor does speed things up quite a bit.

George Rebane

Gregory 340pm - Expediting correct conclusions and moving on are fundamental to the celebrated progress of science, and hence science. And note that I made no claim that those two pillars are a sufficient defining basis for science, just necessary. I have a feeling that we will not agree on this assertion.

Gregory

Occam's Razor does not cut to correct conclusions, and a lot of good science took place before Popper ever brought falsifiability to the foreground.

You also then muddy the waters trying to use scientific arguments for the politics and religion embodied in modern progressivism... where you use"falsifiability" instead of "challenge". You wrote, " Today progressivism is a secular humanist religion that has many belief tenets (propositions) which cannot be falsified".

The most common progressive tenet that cannot be even be challenged in polite progressive company (assuming there is such a thing) is anthropogenic global warming, George, I thought you knew that.

George Rebane

Gregory 440pm - I stand by my words Gregory. You are raising red herrings (e.g. claiming that Occam "cuts" to "correct conclusions", the timing of Popper's teachings) which are beside the points that I made - including the implication of my ignorance in your last paragraph (which I covered in the second item above).

AVMan

,,,Focusing on The American Invasion of Afghanistan in terms of military lives lost is ignoring the $1 Trillion wasted on BS that could have been used here at home to BUILD THAT WALL!!!

Paul Emery

Scenes writes:

"my money is still on Paul and the Blue Mob in the long run. "

Thanks for the support Scenes. I'm really making progress here.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 April 2019 at 11:42 AM

Thanks for the support Scenes. I'm really making progress here.


An inability to recognize when one is being mocked.......an indicator for age related dementia.


So which is it Palooka......are you lying about scenes statement or are you just not getting it?

Lying or senile? Which is it?

Todd Juvinall

FISH the left have no funny bone. That is why when Trump said hey Russia if you find those emails give them to the press which we know was a joke but they took it to Mueller as a fact to investigate.

Gregory

Fish, is that an inclusive or an exclusive OR?

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 20 April 2019 at 12:36 PM


I wrote it as exclusive. Since it's Palooka, I suppose it could be both.

Paul Emery

Just quoting word for word Todd. You figure it out. This is such a hoot. I visit here for comic relief.

George Rebane

re ToddJ 1222pm - While expressed in the manner of a jest, I continue to believe that Trump's proposal was not a joke. All reasonable Americans would have wanted and still do want Russia to release all of the purloined emails it has about our politicians. If Russia already knows what's in them, what possible reason would we have to deny our own knowledge of the same?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 20 April 2019 at 12:43 PM

This is such a hoot. I visit here for comic relief.


Sure you do Punch....sure you do.

Gregory

The joke was that the illegal email server was off line and dismantled at the time... it was physically impossible for anyone to hack it.


That Russians might have in the past was funny as hell to me at the moment of the joke (I literally LOL'd), but Chinese military and Macedonian teenagers in their parent's basement is my bet.

Idiots of all political persuasions have no sense of humor to speak of when it comes to themselves.

scenes

P. Emery: ""Thanks for the support Scenes. I'm really making progress here."

It ain't support, it's merely a realization of the power behind the Blue Throne. When you own media, schools, big banks, 17 intelligence agencies, and KVMR, there's a certain might and inertia there.

It's fun to pretend that you folks aren't just tools of GoogleCIAChase, but it's obvious what the truth is. The Mueller investigation was driven by the same nomenklatura that brought us the Shah of Iran and the USS Maddox incident.

The pussy hats are just a ruse.

scenes

fish: "An inability to recognize when one is being mocked.......an indicator for age related dementia."

To be fair, I'm actually fairly serious. It's obvious where institutional power in this country is and Mr. Paul is four square in their corner. Always bet on the favorite.

The political genius of Donald Trump is that some guy with a mic and a twitter account and a small team joined up with what's left of traditional America and actually won the Presidency. Too little, too late? Dunno.

As an aside, Paul's dementia is a real possibility. God knows how many times he's said 'Putin cuddler' or posted one poll after the other. I've had some friends find themselves in the embrace of Alzheimer's and looking back, they had a strong tendency to repeat themselves...some sort of stimulus always resulted in the same output. It ain't pretty.

scenes

GeorgeR: "All reasonable Americans would have wanted and still do want Russia to release all of the purloined emails"

People do tend to forget just what the Russians (or Bulgarians or Chinese or Black Hat hackers in Florida) released. If I were a Democratic official, I'd be pissed too. Any of these leaks are threatening my iron rice bowl.

Whether you run the DNC or are the CEO of a Sierra 'Business' nonprofit, the spice must flow.

Paul Emery

Wanna count how many times Don has said "rancid Russian Dressing"? Do a search on this blog. To make it easy use this link. three full pages worth. Boring Don has nothing else to say. This is so much fun. Keep it up.
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/.services/blog/6a00e54f86f2ad883300e54f9a78f48834/search/page/2/?filter.q=rancid+russian

scenes

"Wanna count how many times Don has said "rancid Russian Dressing"? "

Kind of defensive, aren't you? Maybe Don has Alzheimer's also? You guys can keep each other company when the nurses clean you up once a week. We'll let you keep the Ann Coulter doll for special days.

Hey, at least it's a break from busily stenciling fake "stinkass" signs in the KVMR break room.

Ozz

Paul 2:38
Reminds me of a while back one of the lower level ruminants could hardly write a post without referring to the 1st grade refrain, "liar liar pants on fire." It was like he longed to be thought of a seven year old.

scenes

"It was like he longed to be thought of a seven year old."

High Irony Alert!! Danger!!

Don Bessee

The minuet of the ignorant @238 & 258. Wallow in it boys you own it. You forgot the pantsuits on fire part! A little dab will do ya.....


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Don Bessee

Lets have a giggle after suffering through the dour trolls and tube socks -

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/bbq-business-selling-pro-lgbtq-shirts-standing-for-liberty-guns-bible-trump-and-bbq-sell-out-despite-backlash-212629985.html

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Ozz

"RR readers may recall that the two necessary pillars on which science rests are Occam’s razor and falsifiability. "

Please don't attempt to put words in our mouths or sway opinions by using the conversational phrase "as you may recall." As you will recall, It is one of the oldest debate leads in the book. It is like starting a lie with, "To be perfectly honest".

FYI, the "two pillars of science" are: Observation and Logic.

George Rebane

Ozz 504pm - Observation and logic? With an appropriate set of axioms, observation and logic can be the foundations of ANY belief system (including religions). At what schools of science did you study and learn such things Mr Ozz?

And putting 'words in your mouth' is beyond my ken, you do more than an adequate job of that yourself in conveying the direction and depth of your thought. In any case, you don't tell me what I can or cannot write on this blog; that 's called pissing in the wind.

Paul Emery

George writes:

"All reasonable Americans would have wanted and still do want Russia to release all of the purloined emails"

Are you not encouraging partisan profit made from stolen material? If someone breaks into someone's house and steals a bunch of documents is it ethical or to desire and encourage publicly their release to the public if you profit in some manner from the information? Is it ok to use stolen material as evidence in a trial for example?

Webster defination of purloin:

steal, pilfer, filch, purloin mean to take from another without right or without detection. steal may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things.

Don Bessee

And I will raise you a pentagon papers decision @559 Brainiac.

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Ozz

George 5:47
"observation and logic can be the foundations of ANY belief system (including religions)"

I'll take the bait. Demonstrate the logic behind by the tale of Noah getting two of every animal into his boat.

"Observation and Logic" is the answer to the SAT question, "what are the two pillars of science?"

Paul Emery

So Don you are saying it would be OK for me to obtain stolen material about you and your personal life and distribute them around Nevada County. Careful what you say because there are those that claim to have information about you that you would not like to have distributed.

George Rebane

PaulE 559pm - you definitely didn't understand my 1247pm. And apparently you want Russians to be the only ones to have incriminating evidence of wrongdoings by American politicians, evidence that should not be available to the American voter. OK, I understand your priorities.

Ozz 617pm - It is axiomatic to Judeo-Christians that God the creator has the ability to control matter, energy, time, and space at his pleasure. Given that, it is perfectly logical that God then created the space on the ark and gave Noah the time to fill it with every one of Earth's critters. Given its politicized history, the SAT is far from being the definitive repository of knowledge in ANY domain. Next question.

Don Bessee

So you are acknowledging that the pentagon papers ruling does apply. Thanks for the clarification oh great pony tail of ignorance.

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Paul Emery

George

You are encouraging the release of stolen material pure and simple. How you find that ethical is beyond me and makes me sad.

Nothing to do with the Pentagon papers Don. Would it be ok with you to have private documents of yours distributed to the public?

Ozz

George-
By your standards, any illogical conclusion can be brushed off as a "miracle". End of argument.

Don Bessee

You can wiggle and squirm all you want but the fact is that madam liar liar pantsuits on fire stole the files that belonged to the people of and the archive of the United States when she secreted them in the bathroom server. She then bleach bited her server and destroyed all the phones and sim cards that had evidence of improper state secret handling.

There were never hers they were ours.

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Bill Tozer

Scenes @ 2:16 pm sez:

“The pussy hats are just a ruse.”

No, no, no. No pussy hats because it’s hurtful and offensive to males born with a stem on the apple 🍎 who suffer from a dysphoria that allows them to actually believe they are are females, Thus they feel excluded because they do not have a vagina and that observation conflicts with their logic that they are really women. We must be inclusive. Feeling over facts. No pussy hats. It’s hateful to non-born females.

Hmmm. Talk about observation colliding with logic. It’s not really that uncommon. There are some who actually tell themselves they are credible news directors. I can relate. When I used to drink, I thought, at times, I was 9 feet tall. Oh, the whoppers we tell ourselves that defy logic and observation.

Don Bessee

Talk about racist newspeak from snowflake land -

CARE Now had recently released a list of twelve demands in an open letter, which included calling on the school’s trustees to fulfill their “obligation to the well-being and safety of its students, faculty and staff” by separating minority students from the rest of the campus body in order “take steps toward becoming a more inclusive institution.”

“The College can work toward making the College a less harmful place for those of marginalized identities and to take steps toward becoming a more inclusive institution,” read the student newspaper, stressing the importance of looking toward “CARE Now’s leadership as we collectively examine how to combat institutional violence at the College.”

The student newspaper then attempted to justify its support for separating black students from white students via housing by claiming that minority students feel “tokenized” on campus, as there are too many white students within their immediate surroundings.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/04/20/williams-college-student-newspaper-endorses-racially-segregated-housing/

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Bill Tozer

Well, Don, it does sound like Williams College is a harmful place to the students’ growth and development if they promote segregated housing as a way to achieve inclusiveness and diversity.

Gregory

George, you just don't get it. If just anyone got ahold of stolen Clinton server files, they might let the Russians see them! They're the enemy, don't you know?

Doesn't really matter if you get it from the Russians... you can't let the have them!

Paul's situational ethics are for all seasons... Paul, weren't you agitating for the Mueller report to be released unredacted?

George Rebane

Paul, I wasn't "encouraging" anything, but explaining a possible reasonable basis for Trump's actions.

Ozz, I wasn't talking about my "standards" on anything, but attempting to explain to you the fallacy of your 617pm.

If nothing else, perhaps this exchange with both of you underlines the proposition of our polarization and the Great Divide - we have no middle ground upon which to even understand each other. We don't think the same way.

Don Bessee

OH MY! They think? It looks more like they just get the talking points for lefties from the fakenews team like good parrots. -

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Bill Tozer

Free speech

“It’s time to recognize the American culture war for what it is — a religious dispute — and incorporate it into America’s existing religious pluralism. A Christian no more “dehumanizes” a gay man when he believes in traditional sexual morality than a gay man “dehumanizes” a Christian for believing that the theology he’s based his entire life upon is nothing but an ancient fiction. A proposed limit to freedom of conscience is no more “dehumanizing” than a proposed limit to the reach of a public-accommodation statute.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/dehumanizing-speech-is-still-free-speech/


Bill Tozer

Re: update, Climate Change Hysteria takes on the trapping of a cult.from Russ’s blog

4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

“I don’t want you to be hopeful, I want you to panic.”

8. Followers feel they can never be “good enough”.

“And yet there is no mystery about that, since the Swedish youngster has been exposed to their own message — fed the environmentalist doomsday gospel or, to be more precise, the ‘bad news’ — at school, when she was too young to assimilate it and put it into context, a problem made more acute by her Asperger’s syndrome. Even more damaging to infant minds, Greta and other Western children are given to understand that human beings — they themselves — are the problem.”

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/eco-gospel-according-saint-greta

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