Scattershots – 6may19 (updated 9may19)

It is the ultimate fantasy that we can live our lives, or at any rate live them in peace and contentment with each other, without ever having to share a common reality. - James Bowman

George Rebane

An example of fake news.  Apple News is a very comprehensive news website for Mac, iPad, and iPhone users, one that allows you to customize with your interests, and then augments the format with your viewing history – in short, it snoops in your user sessions.  Recently it included a piece from the National Geographic reporting on the military marine mammal programs of Russia and US (here).  I was a bit astounded that almost everything they reported on the US program was either false or grossly misleading.  Full disclosure – I and my company spent years supporting the US Navy’s marine mammal (and other animal) R&D programs as their analytical support team doing the heavy lifting in the math, data analysis, and systems design work.

The 6may19 Union’s op-ed has two pieces from our favorite leftwing columnists, Dr Milan Vodicka (search RR) and, of course, Mr George Boardman.  Dr Vodicka delivered one of his trademark muddled sermons on the joys of socialism (not posted yet).  There he attempted to augment Bertand Russell’s three factors motivating human behavior with a fractured taxonomy that makes absolutely no sense to the careful reader, and then went on to celebrate the free nationalized healthcare systems found in EU countries.  In the latter, he drinks the kool-aid by the gallon, and evinces no understanding of the realities that obtain.  Mr Boardman presents a good critique of the Republican California Senate candidates Assemblymen Dahle and Kiley, and then blows a tire describing the Democrat Audrey Denny attempting unseat Congressman LaMalfa (here).  Without so much as a smidgen of qualification or sourcing, he tells the reader that the Green New Deal is “a sweeping national plan to zero-out emissions and provide clean energy and infrastructure jobs to millions.”  Apparently, our columnist continues to have trouble distinguishing between objectives and plans, and reports the GND as actually being a plan.  Regardless, objectives or plans, It has a snowball’s chance in hell of accomplishing anything touted.

[7may19 update]  Spying v. Surveillance.  I don’t know why this is so difficult for the media talking heads to resolve (those on FN, not the lamestream whose agenda is known).  A nation’s law enforcement agency does surveillance (on an individual, group, organization) when the target of such intelligence gathering involves a domestic issue/parties that does NOT involve the presumed culpability of a foreign government.  That same agency conducts a spying operation when it seeks to gather intelligence on a matter that does involve a foreign government.  To infiltrate a domestic gang, you send in an 'undercover agent'; to surveil or infiltrate foreign government operations, you employ/send in 'spies'. That is the way we have successfully defined spying v. surveillance for generations.  Since Obama’s FBI et al were convinced from the gitgo that Team Trump was in cahoots with Russia, their surreptitious intelligence gathering efforts were clearly spying.

[8may19 update]  Upcoming tariffs increase on Chinese goods this Friday (10may19) is supposed to be in retaliation for the Chinese reneging on parts of the two countries’ established trade agreements and/or the progress made in the current negotiations.  And there’s a big debate on whether President Trump is doing the right thing with this retaliation.  The debate would be moot if the administration just published the details of China’s renege.  I don’t know why the big secret in not putting it out for all to see and judge for themselves as to the relative magnitudes of the offense vs the response.  Everyone involved in such negotiations around the world already knows what has gone down; the only ones ignorant who will be affected by it all are the people of China and America.  I can understand the communists keeping their people in the dark (it’s their nature), but I can’t see why our government also keeps us in the dark.

AG Barr will be held in contempt of a Democrat House, and that is again denigrating the intelligence of their own constituents – why?  Simply because they can.  They know that in the aggregate, Democrat voters have little or no idea how our government works or what the laws are, and they overwhelmingly consume media outlets that cynically keep them in the dark.  The rest of us know that AG Barr is under no legal imperative to release any of the Mueller report to anyone, or to even reveal its main contents/conclusions – why?  Because the special prosecutor came up with nothing with which to prosecute anyone.  (He diddled away the people’s money on a self-serving sideshow nailing individuals on process crimes, people who had nothing to do with his commissioned charter, and then wrote the best anti-Trump political blueprint that he could.)  Now scumbag Nadler is going to up it a notch and hold Barr in contempt for not releasing information that is against the law for him to release - please reread this.  And none of it has anything to do with Congress’ oversight function for legislative purposes.  Moreover, the whole thing is a total bag of bullcrap that Democrats are dealing out to their know-nothings as part and parcel of the Big Lie – i.e. anything it will take to defeat Trump in 2020.

[9may19 update] Well boys and girls, your humble host has now visited a genuine, legal pot shop.  A good friend (known to you all) with whom I often take lunch, took me on a tour of the Elevation 2477 cannabis dispensary in Nevada City.  The experience was quite remarkable.  We entered into an immaculate reception area at the end of which sat a uniformed security officer behind (bulletproof?) glass.  The room contained a nice couch and an abstract painting presumably abstracting some visions customers may enjoy after imbibing of the establishment’s offerings.  We were invited to the window to place our driver’s licenses against the glass to be scanned, and I being a newbie, was instructed to fill in a store “membership application”, studying the store’s rules, and then putting my John Hancock declaring that I understood everything.  My friend was already a member, so my joining up allowed us both to be ushered into the inner sanctum housing the stash.

The store itself was immaculately laid out with neat glass-cased counters displaying all the desiderata in various forms and at various concentrations of THC and CBD.  For the cognoscenti, this was no doubt a very inviting display as evinced by the palaver carried on between other customers and clerks, all of whom were very knowledgeable of both their products and the applicable legalese.  After getting some answers to my questions, my friend made a very modest purchase of probably their most benign SKU, and we made our way to the exit.  Then I noticed that the store’s walls each had a magnificent abstract painting cum mural on it, replicating their foyer and no doubt reinforcing visually the promises made by the cleverly named substances and concoctions.  As we left the premises, it occurred to me that I am now marked for life.

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[Russ]

Green New Deal – Boldest Tactic Yet to Advance U.N. Agenda 21

From Heartland

March 28, 2019

By Nancy J. Thorner

Most people in America don’t even realize that tentacles of a dangerous United Nations program are being enacted in our nation’s cities and certainly our country, with the full cooperation of those in our highest positions of authority.

Most people in America don’t even realize that tentacles of a dangerous United Nations program are being enacted in our nation’s cities and certainly our country, with the full cooperation of those in our highest positions of authority. It is so complicated and difficult to believe that many simply dismiss it, considering it just a conspiracy theory. But even a cursory investigation reveals it is very real and the evidence is easily attained.

This intrusive, all-encompassing plan that could eventually affect every aspect of our lives is known as “United Nations Agenda 21.” It’s pure communistic in nature. We all must fight against it if we are to remain a free people and nation. The Green New Deal happens to represent the boldest tactic yet toward the full implementation of Agenda 21 here in this nation.

The specific plan, United Nations Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, was a product of The Rio Conference held at Rio de Janeiro from June 3 – 14, 1992. It was to be implemented worldwide in order to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. As such Agenda 21 marked a new beginning for the U.N., a decisive point of departure for the world organization.

Project 21 contained twenty-seven principles warning against a mode of growth that was leading to the extinction of life on earth. Based on two fundamental ideas, development and environment, Project 21 was introduced as a cooperative task and challenge for world nations toward this goal: to establish the basic principles that must govern the conduct of nations and peoples towards each other and the Earth to ensure a secure and sustainable future.

More details here: https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/green-new-deal---boldest-tactic-yet-to-advance-un-agenda-21

[Ozz]

Nancy Thorner.
Great source!!! Is she still suing the power companies for their "conspiracy" to decommission nuke power plants so they can raise utility rates . . . or some such crap?

[Scott O]

Oooozing with ignorance. Do you have any information or facts to the contrary, Ooooze?
No, I didn't think so. Just put your fingers back in your ears and stomp and scream - all the bad things you don't agree with will magically go away!

[Ozz]

Scott O
Maybe if you take the beans out of your ears:

https://nancyjthorner.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/nancy-thorners-one-woman-crusade-to-reopen-for-operation-a-large-nuclear-energy-facility-located-in-her-backyard-the-dual-zion-nuclear-plant/

[Scott O]

Ooozing with even more ignorance. Can you be that stupid?
The topic is Agenda 21. I asked if you had any facts or arguments to the contrary of what Russ posted. And you double down on complete stupidity.
You lefties have the double side step dance down to a T.
Denounce the news and then quickly divert to a side issue.
A straight up debate would pose issues you couldn't even begin to fathom.
The issue is Agenda 21.
If you have nothing of value to add or debate, I would suggest the cartoon channel.

[Robert Cross]

for those who want to know more --The Heartland Institute is a Chicago-based free market think tank and 501(c)(3) charity that has been at the forefront of denying the scientific evidence for man-made climate change. While it no longer reveals its funding sources, previous donors include Exxon, the Koch brothers, Phillip Morris, and fossil fuel industry associations. It is considered to be a questionable source that exhibits "extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency." in the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to question the science linking second-hand smoke to health risks, and lobbied against government public health reforms.

So basically Heartland is a bogus think tank that promotes bogus science to support bogus industry claims so that those corporations/investors can maximize profits by manipulating the public's perceptions as to the hazards of their actual products for as long as possible. For example former Hearland President Joe Bast stated that “few, if any, adverse health effects” were associated with smoking. In a letter to Phillip Morris, Bast wrote “Heartland does many things that benefit Philip Morris’s bottom line, things that no other organization does.” In 2014 Bast denied having ever said smoking was not harmful despite hard evidence to the contrary.

So for those who really care, that about sums up the moral compass of the Heartland Institute...there is none. They will cook up studies to say whatever it's donors want.. truth be damned.

[Todd Juvinall]

The UN idiots announced today that one MILLION species is headed for extinction soon as "climate change" has increased. No facts just a thousand pages of bull pucky mindless yapping. And they said the earth has had a temp increase of 30 degrees! My goodness, I am so glad Trump is on the side of intelligence on this. Another hoax by the left for mind control dispelled.

[Scott O]

Booby at 7:34 - Wow!
I wasn't aware that the Heartland Inst was the subject here.
Did you just stir from some slumber and start spouting?
"In 2014 Bast denied having ever said smoking was not harmful despite hard evidence to the contrary."
Um - that's not evidence of anything - that's just a statement by some person.
I could just as easily post here that some one named Robert Cross claims that hitting yourself in the head with a hammer makes you smarter.
And I would be just as correct.
Your move, Boobie

[Scott O]

What's up with lefties and Agenda 21?
It's your deal.
Why can't you be proud instead of denying your own child?
Too obvious?
Too much too soon?
Need to boil the frog slowly?
Why can't we have a discussion about it?
Sorta like denying the existence of the moon.
If the Heartland folks see the moon, we start screaming about the Heartland folks.

[Ozz]

Scott O
And Pinocchio says the moon is made of green cheese. The topic isn't green cheese, it's the tool Nancy Thorner, who wrote your precious A-21 propaganda. Thorner is the PAID flag bearer of how many right wing conspiracies?? And you quote her as a source?

If Reinette Senum issued a "scientific document" regarding the danger of chem trails would you be all ears, or simply bend over and blow another one? Blowing.

[Russell Steele]

Robert Cross@07:34.

You quote some text in your rant. Can you please provide links to the source, or please point to the documents you extracted the quotes from? Thanks.

There have been other attempts by the left to smear scientific reputations by associating them with the tobacco industry. Let's hope you are not using the same trick.

[Scott O]

I see the problem here. Russ writes about the UN's Agenda 21 and the left doesn't want the subject brought up.
So we start dissembling.
"The topic isn't green cheese, it's the tool Nancy Thorner, who wrote your precious A-21 propaganda."
Uh - "green cheese". Is that what you smoke?
Propaganda?
The topic was Agenda 21 from the UN.
You might have heard of them. Big building in Manhattan?
They issued a report. It's not 'propaganda', it's a report.
With an agenda.
Do you wish to discuss it or have you no facts or mental abilities to do so?
The daily laugh - "If Reinette Senum issued a "scientific document" regarding the danger of chem trails would you be all ears, or simply bend over and blow another one?"
And this has what to do with the topic?
Nothing - but the left is like a pilot about to crash.
Out of altitude, airspeed and ideas.
Sad.

[Russ]

Robert Cross@07:34 PM

In reference to your claim, the Heartland does not provide sources for their positions on climate change. Here is an example of Climate Change Weekly. The reader will note the source documents are listed in red at the bottom of each article. See link:

http://www.icontact-archive.com/maf-9-s7_-akggRj2BorjoQFDtiglrns?w=4

I find this list of Heartland recommended web sites very useful in refuting anthropogenic climate change claims by global warmers:
1000Frolley
Bishop Hill
Climate Audit
CO2 Coalition
Climate Etc.
Dr. Roy Spencer
No Tricks Zone
Climate Exam
Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
CO2 Science
Climate 4 You
Real Science
WiseEnergy
International Conferences on Climate Change
C3 Headlines
Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
Global Science Report
Gelbspan Files
Climate in Review, by C. Jeffery Small
Center on Climate and Environmental Policy, The Heartland Institute
Climate Policy, The Heritage Foundation
Global Warming, Cato Institute
Center for Global Food Issues, Hudson Institute
JoNova, hosted by Joanne Nova
GlobalClimateScam.com
Center for Energy and Environment, Competitive Enterprise Institute
GlobalWarming.org
Cooler Heads Digest
Power for USA
Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)
ClimateWiki
Master Resource
The Climate Bet
International Climate Science Coalition
Climate Scientists' Register
Science and Public Policy Institute
Climate Depot by Marc Morano
World Climate Report by Dr. Patrick Michaels
Biweekly Updates from the Cooler Heads Coalition
Watts Up With That? by Anthony Watts
ICECAP by Joseph D'Aleo
Junk Science by Steve Milloy

[Ozz]

Scott-
In this case the messenger DOES matter. When the spokesperson is a paid contributor to Heartland, YOU can believe she has an unbiased message, but don't expect me to swallow it as the gospel truth.

I understand that you people believe the bike racks in front of the Rood Center and that the Grass Valley roundabouts are agents of A21 (I think it was Bonnie and gang who wrote an entire screed about it). I don't. Your conspiracies go in the same file as papers proving that vaccines cause autism. I give them the attention they deserve.

[Scott O]

Oh, no - Wiki's been taken over by the Heartland Inst!
They now spout the same 'propaganda'!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
Ooooze and Booby will now complain about the font in the article.
Or the weather - just anything but admit there is an Agenda 21.

[fish]

Posted by: Russell Steele | 06 May 2019 at 09:48 PM

Robert Cross@07:34.

You quote some text in your rant. Can you please provide links to the source, or please point to the documents you extracted the quotes from? Thanks.

Probably not! Mrs. Accuracy in Media is just a doll with a cord in its neck……pull it……and out comes lefty nonsense.

[Scott O]

"I understand that you people believe the bike racks in front of the Rood Center and that the Grass Valley roundabouts are agents of A21..."
How would you 'understand' that?
I've never even written about that.
And just who is 'you people'?

[Ozz]

Scott- Of course there is an Agenda 21, just as their is a Jade Helm and a Green Bean. The difference is that the Jolly Green Giant hasn't been coopted by Alex Jones, turned into a conspiracy, and regurgitated by his sheep.

[Scott O]

Actual full text -
https://governamerica.com/issues/global-issues/un/agenda-21/agenda-21-full-text

[Todd Juvinall]

I have heard that Trump will be removing America from A21.

[Ozz]

So what? Does "non-binding guideline" strike you as a mandate or the germ of a conspiracy?

I even read the book, Agenda 21 (penned by Glenn Beck, Anita Bryant, Michelle Bachman or some other scholar) where children are forcibly taken away and hidden in government foster camps because the parents hadn't produced the right papers to prove their pedigree. Sounds like Trump is leading the A21 bandwagon.

[Ozz]

Found it. Agenda 21 (the book) by Glenn Beck.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/agenda-21-the-un-conspiracy-that-just-wont-die

[Robert Cross]

Russ 9:48 -- the quotes are out there find them yourself and prove me wrong..which you will not be able to do because they are really there... a simple internet search will do the trick....

[Robert Cross]

Froggy 7:48 -- then there is the fish doll - pull its string and nothing of any consequence comes out.

[George Rebane]

RobertC 927am - In a debate, if you make a contestable assertion, it's yours to substantiate it. It's never the job of your audience to attempt to prove the negative - if you say it, prove it. Else it hangs there as an unsupported opinion - which is OK, but don't try to pass it off as gospel for the rest of us.

Ozz 849am - You (and yours) continue to deny the UN's A21 protocols. Of course, per se they are "non-binding guidelines"; nor do they have to be binding since the guidelines have been adopted in various forms by like-minded nations, including the US - Bush1 signed us up for promoting it. The facilitators for helping local governments proceed toward an A21 future are the global ICLEIs, of which over 500 are set up in the US, with half of them being in CA. As an example of their reach, many of the mid and senior level Nevada County government managers are ICLEI 'graduates'.
http://archive.iclei.org/index.php?id=12366

None of this A21 stuff is a conspiracy, save the ignorance of it you local lefties show; instead, it is an assiduous work in progress promoted by progressives everywhere.

[Ozz]

George R
A-21 is the doom and gloom hammer raised by the right when they see anything they don't like or something they fear. Wild and Scenic River designation, international fish harvest agreements, and bike paths are all cited as tentacles of A-21 reaching insidiously into our lives.

Before A-21 it was the commies to blame for the Endangered Species Act and the Clean Water Act. Climate change is a fraud driven by the Chinese to stifle American industry. Around every nook and corner the kooks of the paranoid militia see a boogyman. I haven't looked, but it is likely some right wing nut has blamed the perceived specter of global chem trails and flu vaccines on A-21. Or was that Jade Helm or Y2K?

[George Rebane]

Ozz 1050am - Wrong again. A21 is just the convenient repository for the collection of societal and governance objectives that the international Left and its American counterparts are working to achieve. Citing something as hewing to A21 is a shortcut that communicates to most people, while it enrages the alt-Left for pointing toward the greater body of the future they seek to impose on us all. Over the years, these pages are testimony to exactly this kind of response when some new leftwing initiative, regulation, or stricture is identified as flying in tight formation with A21.

[Scott O]

Yeah, Ooooze - we conservatives are just a wacky bunch of paranoids making stuff up.

https://www.workers.org/2010/world/save_the_planet_0624/

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/un-official-admits-goal-climate-change-agenda-destroy-capitalism/

http://www.browndailyherald.com/2014/10/10/katzevich-16-climate-change-end-capitalism-end-world/

Just found these in a quick search - there's plenty more. There is an organized and concerted effort to destroy our freedoms and way of life. I would suggest you ignorant lefties had better do a little more reading on the matter. This doesn't mean that I believe that every one who rides the AGW or 'Climate Change' band wagon is part of the anti-capitalism effort, they are simply being used as useful idiots.
Your constant snide remarks about chem trails and anti-vaxers have no place in this discussion other than as cover for your woeful lack of understanding of this issue.

[Gregory]

Agenda 21 will peter out when the failure of mainstream climate "science" to foretell the downturn in global temps starting about now and stretching out for 33 or 44 or so years. Something like that. Time will be telling.

Regarding Bored Georgeman's column, I find it very interesting that Audrey Denney, wunderkind, is the very first person officially endorsed by AOC's handlers, the Sunrise Movement, the folks who ambushed DiFi in her 'frisco offices to demand she support the "Green New Deal"...

... I was immediately reminded of the LaMalfa's campaign parody that had a bee up Audrey's bonnet, the reworked pledge that she'd be following the commands of Mme. Speaker Pelosi... no, she's now signed on to be AOC's lickspittle. LaMalfa's people didn't aim low enough.

With that, Denney's being on the Board of a 501c3 (cristosal.org) that is actively sending up illegal migrant caravans from El Salvador, and her borderline fraudulent claim to be a Farmer/Educator on the ballot when she doesn't farm and doesn't have a classroom to teach in (she's a "learning designer", and I think someone should ask her what that is), the LaMalfa campaign has a bundle to work with.

That, and her desire to ban semi-automatic rifles and pistols, should make things interesting, even in Butte and Nevada counties.

Too bad the GOP incumbent is as weak as he is. Overall, an OK good ol' boy who is nonetheless smarter than Denney.

[Bill Tozer]

“Citing something as hewing to A21 is a shortcut that communicates to most people, while it enrages the alt-Left for pointing toward the greater body of the future they seek to impose on us all. Over the years, these pages are testimony to exactly this kind of response when some new leftwing initiative, regulation, or stricture is identified as flying in tight formation with A21.”
Posted by: George Rebane | 07 May 2019 at 11:02 AM”

Exactamendo, my good doc. The operative word you used is ‘impose.” Impose on us this, impose on others that. Impose, impose, impose. Pretty much sums up this whole tread. We be the true resistance. :)

[Ozz]

Bill-
"Impose, impose, impose." Damn right. What is a society if it doesn't "impose" societal regulations? Somebody will always be upset when someone else "imposes" regulations. NO you cannot shit on my driveway or shoot my dog or drive 75 mph through a school zone. Even if you dearly want to.

How is that different from saying NO you cannot pollute the air the rest of us breath simply because its a cheaper way to produce your widget and make buck? As much as he might like to, Todd cannot build his leach field on the banks of Wolf Creek simply because it's cheap and he doesn't give a shit about the creek. Call it an imposition if you want, I call it the norm required for billions of people having to live together on a finite planet.

[George Rebane]

re Ozz 230pm - Ah yes, were it only those simple things like shitting on others' driveways. Unfortunately the impositions are of a much grander scale, more numerous, and way more insidious. That's why we are slowly sinking in the various freedom rankings among the world's countries. And, of course, in the US we have CA leading the way to Big Brother. But all of this is totally invisible to the Left's grassroots acolytes.

And these impositions are overwhelmingly imposed by unionized civil servants with sinecures who could not hold down a job in private industry.

[Scott O]

Ooooze - calm down, now.
"How is that different from saying NO you cannot pollute the air the rest of us breath simply because its a cheaper way to produce your widget and make buck?"
The problem, Ooooze is that folks are claiming CO2 is a 'pollutant'. It isn't. And the percentage of CO2 has been even higher than it is now and the earth didn't grind to a halt.
"NO you cannot shit on my driveway..."
Actually, in SF you can. That's your side that says so, Ooooze.
Also remember that the Agenda 21 folks are claiming that no one will be 'imposing' anything on us we don't like. Such soothing words. Of course first we get conditioned so we 'like' what they're impo..., oops - allowing us to do.
As usual, Ooooze goes off the rails with his phony examples that have nothing to do with what is planned by the A21 crowd.

[Ozz]

"That's why we are slowly sinking in the various freedom rankings among the world's countries."

That's the cost of doing business on a planet of finite resources that is getting increasingly crowded with humanity. 100 years ago it was no big deal to dump Nevada City's raw sewage directly into Deer Creek . . . and we were "free" to do just that. I think even the most jaded and decrepit Tea Party Patriot would agree that really doesn't work any more.

Times change and society evolves. Even if the old timers have to be pulled along by their swollen ankles with fungal fingernails clawing at the carpet and screaming, "Give me back my 80's. The 1880's!"

[Don Bessee]

Another virtue signaling NGD stupidity. When NC did its bag ban the facts of one use not being one use was exactly what I testified -

A recent study of plastic bag bans in California found that the policy—while still reducing plastic bag consumption overall—did lead to a 120 percent spike in the purchase of smaller garbage bags.

As it turns out, the single-use plastic bags people used at the grocery store were hardly single-use at all, but rather were reused to line waste baskets or clean up after pets. When the free option disappeared, people simply started purchasing unprohibited garbage bags.

New Jersey's bag ban would seem to have a similar potential for this kind of substitution. While it bars stores from handing out thinner plastic bags, it still allows them to provide customers with plastic tote bags provided they're thicker than 10 mils.

As written, stores could well end up ditching their current carry-out bags for another type of thicker plastic bag, which would seemingly increase overall plastic consumption.

https://reason.com/2019/05/07/new-jersey-politician-wants-to-ban-all-bags-paper-or-plastic/

;-)

[George Rebane]

re Ozz 305pm - So there you have it. The road to tyranny via A21 is just the "cost of doing business ...". And anyone standing in the way will be either re-educated or marched to the wall, for there are no other acceptable ways for humanity to go forward. End of story, and the confirmation of our Great Divide.

[Gregory]

Equating emitting CO2 with taking a dump on Ozz/Frisch's driveway is the problem here.

Steve/Ozz is arguing against straw men of his own creation.

CO2 is the least of our environmental problems.

[fish]

Posted by: Roberta Cross | 07 May 2019 at 10:25 AM

Froggy 7:48 -- then there is the fish doll - pull its string and nothing of any consequence comes out.

OUCH…..Roberta……get me to the "Burn Unit". Imagine how much worse your response would have been if you weren't "highly educated"!

[Don Bessee]

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww someone needs a mental health referral -

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/woman-tells-biden-rally-you-can-hug-kiss-me-anytime-n1002986

;-)

[Scott O]

The problem was and continues to be that Oooze is arguing from ignorance. He proudly proclaims he doesn't read what he doesn't agree with so he actually knows little or nothing about A21. The MS news media is not going to report the extreme views of the A21 backers, but conservative news outlets will. All Oooze hears about A21 is vacuous platitudes concerning wonderful things that are all free for everyone and certainly at no cost of money or freedoms for him.
Meanwhile he brings up stories of raw sewage and shooting dogs. It's all he can do.

[Don Bessee]

Well that's what you get when you fill a room with liberal guilty white boys -

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/soledad-obrien-slams-cnn-over-headline-asking-how-black-royal-baby

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

This country was founded based on a unique document. That document celebrates the rights and freedom of the individual while rejecting a centralized government with its tentacles reaching into every aspect of our lives. Today we (some) still celebrate the individual and reject with all our might the ever increasing calls for more and more control of our daily lives from a centralized government whose lust for increasing power is insatiable and it’s means are indeed insidious and innumerable.

This thread is all about impose, impose, impose and the insatiable thirst for power, not good. And, this thread reveals the reaction to the growing perception that the GND is but a ridiculous sick joke.

[Don Bessee]

The counter punch is warming up, the IG, Utah doj and then these -

https://www.wsj.com/articles/watchdog-probes-fbi-reliance-on-dossier-in-surveillance-of-trump-aide-11557275757

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/442278-james-comey-is-in-trouble-and-he-knows-it

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Nothing like solidifying the base and encroaching. Its the economy stupids!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/07/forgotten-man-comeback-story-under-trump-red-counties-economically-thrive/

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Is it just me or did anyone else notice that the Dems lately appear to offer absolutely nothing and there are zero arrows in their quiver? They seem flat footed and empty handed after buying into spin of the Great Lies. Don’t matter. We will all be dead in 3 1/2 days.

“The public isn’t alarmed enough about climate change to satisfy NPR talk show host Joshua Johnson, so he suggested on Tuesday morning that, in order to induce fear that will lead to public demands for action, scientists say the human race is in danger of becoming extinct.”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/brent-baker/2019/05/07/npr-host-instill-fear-saying-climate-change-will-cause-human

[Russ]

Ozz, some light reading for you:

UN Agenda 21 policies date back to the 1970’s but it got its real start in 1992 at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it along with the leaders of 178 other countries. Because it is a ‘soft law’ it did not have to be ratified by the Congress. The following year President Clinton began to implement it by creating the President’s Council on Sustainable Development (PCSD). Made up of cabinet level government officials, captains of industry (including Ken Lay of Enron), and non-profit groups such as the Sierra Club, one of the first tasks of the PCSD was to give a multi-million dollar grant to the American Planning Association to design a legislative guidebook to be used as a blueprint for every city, county, and state in the United States in order to implement UN Agenda 21. This document, called Growing Smart Legislative Guidebook: Model Statutes for Planning and the Management of Change, took seven years to complete, and a full nine years to arrive at the final version. The guidebook, and it’s not just a guidebook but a blueprint, contains sample legislation, ordinances, rules, regulations and statutes to be incorporated into the General Plans of every single city and county in the United States. By 2002 every planning department and every local, state, and federal department that governs land use had a copy and was implementing the practices. Every university, every college, every junior college, private school and teaching institution in our nation was using Growing Smart in its curriculum. Sound familiar? Growing Smart is Smart Growth.

Koire, Rosa. BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: UN Agenda 21 . Post Sustainability Institute Press. Kindle Edition.

[Ozz]

Rebane 3:15

Do the people in Lake Wildwood wish that Nevada City still dumped its raw effluent into Deer Creek? Our sewage treatment facilities would be considered by you as something dictated by A21 were they proposed today.

There you have it.

[George Rebane]

Now what was that word for 'irretrievably beyond stupid'?

[Todd Juvinall]

OOZE?

[Ozz]

George-

In debate, your response is known as a deflection, a non-answer. Usually given by someone whose only real answer is to concede the point. Score: 0 points.

Todd's answer fits in the same category as catcalling a 13 year old girl. He'd be kicked off the team.

[Todd Juvinall]

OOZE, no you are the loser. Never picked for the team play at recess. You really are a butt of jokes. Good job.

[Gregory]

Ozzie/Stevie 712am

A non-answer is what a fabrication like your 918pm deserves. Basic sanitation is not in the same class as demonizing CO2 or other "sustainability" issues.

From "The Horse Soldiers":
Major Kendall(William Hol/den) [to Marlowe (John Wayne)] As usual, I'm just presenting the grim facts. Colonel Secord doesn't seem to understand that the coffee tastes better when the latrines are dug downstream instead of upstream. How do you like *your* coffee, Colonel?

[Ozz]

Gregory 7:38

So public health safety is not a valid government responsibility? Is asthma and COPD secondary to air pollution any different from cholera or typhus secondary to an open sewer?

[Gregory]

Ozzie/Stevie 848am

I'll not insult your intelligence and play along with your fiction that A21 is about asthma and COPD, cholera or typhus. You don't believe that, either.

CO2 is present in the lungs at 40,000ppm (during exhalation) and is not considered an air pollutant at 1/100 that concentration.

[George Rebane]

re Ozz 848am - I want to point out the 'logic' Ozz attempts to use in the thread that he started with me at 246pm, and then continues with Gregory. The expressions of a liberal mind contain no consistent thread, no continuity. Their thoughts bounce around from topic to topic like the Brownian motion of a microscopic particle suspended in a fluid. And these are the people who are making public policy in Sacramento and Washington, who now want to set up Medicare for All to succeed Obamacare that was FUBAR from the gitgo, and then go on to really torpedo the country with their Green New Deal.

And dear reader, for your instruction and elucidation, RR features a daily stream of such examples from which you may choose one or more for your own attempts to follow.

[Walt]

COPD? Just don't blame it on all the dope he smoked.

[Gregory]

Ozzie/Stevie wasn't trying to make a case for his beliefs, he was trying to gaslight others into thinking they were the daft ones. Language as a way to punch, not to inform or establish a fact.

I would suggest this isn't a characteristic of a "liberal mind". Hell, I still consider myself to be a liberal. What Ozzie/Stevie is exhibiting is the characteristic of a weak mind determined to win an argument they don't understand very well.

[Gregory]

Regarding Denney... the FUE made a large error in dumping on Boardman... Denney lost to LaMalfa not by 6%, but just short of 10% in the final tally (9.8% to be specific). And he linked to a youtube without naming it as a Denney campaign video, the first of the 2020 campaign (and it's barely 2019).

Checking her linkedin page, she's still listed as a Learning Designer at Vivayic. She should speak to being a "learning designer" and not just allowed to coast as a farmer who doesn't farm and an educator that doesn't have a classroom.

[Scott O]

re the field 'trip' to the Pot Shoppe - If you had to show your ID and sign your name, then only white Republicans can possibly be able to enter and purchase goods according to our left wingo friends that post here. They constantly remind us that having to show ID when voting is obvious voter suppression. And a uniformed guard? A clear reminder of Selma AL if there was one.
But this is different?
Right.

[George Rebane]

ScottO 502pm - It may well be that the Left considers pot shop visits more important to monitor and control for legal entrants, than they do about qualified people walking into polling places and voting booths.

[Michael Anderson]

Scott and George, please explain how smoking weed and voting are even remotely similar. Thanks.

[Bill Tozer]

Re: update “AG Barr will be held in contempt of a Democrat House, and that is again denigrating the intelligence of their own constituents – why? Simply because they can.”

Oh my, they are keeping the party going The scandal is our Congress has been hijacked by the Saul Alinskyites and throwing all rules of law and Constitutional Separation of Powers out the window and now going full blown Stage 6 TDS. It’s 100% pure political. Haul in this guy or that guy in again for another 30 hours of interrogation before a Committee. It’s all in the report that they don’t like, but let’s hear it again. They know obstruction is going nowhere. Nowhere, no way, no how. Bring up Trump’s tax returns, his family, Jr....nothing to do with Congress or impeachment, just destroy all who oppose them.
They are so demanding. They demand to be in power. The screaming ladies at the Kavanaugh hearings come to mind.....”Boof” means gang rape, sez the dishonorable Senator Coons standing next Stolen Valor and Whitehouse. Nasty people. And Pelosi is leading them into 2020. It’s not Barr. It’s all about 2020. They are reduced to non stop sling, slime, lie, steal, cheat, stomp on people’s feet. They want your to believe that that dog that doesn’t hunt really does hunt, roflmao.

Proof? A more generously retracted Mueller Report is available to read eight committee heads of Congress, both majority and minority chairs. So far, only three R’s have gone in and read it, but Nadler won’t go in and read it....neither has any D.

Oh, if Nadler wanted to have a court release Grand Jury testimony, he can simply have Congress petition a court and read the transcripts. But, he hasn’t. He won’t.

Oh yeah. On a related note, the FBI chose as it liaison between the Bureau and the Trump campaign one of their top agent/experts in surveillance. Odd choice for choose for a liaison between the FBI and a campaign. Trump campaign stuff. Spying on opponents. Not a Deep State, but a Police State. Peter Strzok texts are something else.

[Bill Tozer]

Barr bottomline:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/democrats-cry-foul-on-mueller-report.php
————————————

Constitutional Crisis As Absurdist Theater

“For the New York Democrat to turn around and have his committee vote to hold Bill Barr in contempt is truly bizarre. Barr’s alleged offense is the redactions. But he has made an almost entirely un-redacted report available to top Democrats to review. They have refused to do so, boycotting the further information that they say they so desperately need.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/constitutional-crisis-as-absurdist-theater/

[Don Bessee]

The fun part is in full swing -

Ukrainian President-elect Volodymyr Zelensky, who takes office in June, will assume stewardship of two major ongoing investigations. One concerns evidence that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign may have worked with Ukrainians to illegally help Clinton by revealing damaging information about then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

The other investigation pertains to allegations that former Vice President Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor in order to take the heat off the prosecutor's probe into a company that employed his son as a board member.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-will-travel-to-ukraine-saying-countrys-probes-may-be-very-very-helpful-for-trump

;-)

[Gregory]

"Scott and George, please explain how smoking weed and voting are even remotely similar. Thanks."
-Agent Mandersonation 1019pm

They're both covered by the 10th Amendment.

[Scott O]

MA at 10:29 - Uh, you did read what I had written?
For the slow ones in the class, I'll repeat, but this time I'll type slower.
The left claims that making folks show ID at the voting locations somehow precludes non-whites from being able to vote.
This point was made once at a Dem rally whose attendees had to show ID to enter.
I have been made to show ID at: the airport, the doctors office, the pharmacy, the DMV for vehicle registration, the liquor store, and now if I want to purchase legal MJ at the Potty Shoppe.
Are the white boys downtown accused of keeping non-whites from ANY of these activities?
Not one single time. Yet when it comes to voting...
Somehow, I'll bet MA still is scratching his head.

[George Rebane]

MichaelA 1019pm - the discussion thread here considers the requirement to show IDs, and the unreasonableness of opposing such a requirement is illustrated by comparing that function within two disparate social activities. The disparity of such activities is emphasized - there is no attempt to analogize them. So your question is somewhat puzzling.

Perhaps such discussion threads, as are commonly encountered in these pages, are a bit too obtuse for people of certain ideological bents, as one of your like-minded colleagues has suggested. Longer term exposure to them can lead to lasting sensations of frustration for which the only reliable remedy is abstinence (as also suggested by your colleague). But if you wish to continue in your efforts to understand, then by all means, sally forth!

[Gregory]

SO 1003am

You also need to show a guvmint photo ID to access the building LaMalfa (Senators Harris and DiFi, too!) works at in Warshington DC, to petition for a redress of a grievance. Or to visit the USS Constitution in the Boston Naval Shipyard. Or to get on a scheduled air carrier to fly to KBOS to see the USS Constitution.

[George Rebane]

re Gregory & SO - Correctamundo, and starting next year, not any old gummint photo ID will do. When seeking to, say, fly or enter any federal facility, all Americans will need to present a RealID card, or documents required to obtain a RealID. RealID cards are available from the DMV after you present certain confirming information such as a valid passport or birth certificate, and proof of residency at stated address. You will then be issued a new drivers license with the appropriate RealID markings, or a separate RealID card.

I presume our hard Left, ever mindful of human rights and constitutional scholars all, will immediately point out that America's institution of voting must remain immune from such arcane and unconstitutional practices as actually having to prove that you are a franchised voter.

[Michael Anderson]

George and Scott, none of the activities you cite involve a civil right. Until humans are chipped at birth (which for the record I oppose) and this debate becomes moot, I will be against voter ID laws.
https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

[George Rebane]

MichaelA 1147am - Presumably, voting is a civil right granted to American citizens who satisfy certain enfranchisement requirements, and denied to all others not so qualified. How then do you and the ACLU propose to guarantee the sanctity of that civil right?

[Gregory]

It was rather shocking that to walk the deck of the oldest commissioned naval vessel in the world, you have to submit to the equivalent of a TSA examination of your person and anything carried.

It's not as if Old Ironsides could be hijacked and sailed to attack New York or terrorize the banks of the Potomac. For an individual, it's about as movable as Old Faithful or Half Dome.

[Gregory]

MA 1147am

From one of your links:
"States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards."

In terms of computer science, that's not a bug, that's a feature as I imagine Texan CCW permits are harder to get than Sierra College student ID's...
https://www.sierracollege.edu/student-services/support-programs/undocumented-student-center/index.php

How about this, Mike... allow provisional voting with a time limit to provide a RealID after election day. Send a free limo around, with hosted bar (X drinks maximum) to chauffeur folks to get whatever is needed to get the ID. Maybe McGee's Pub, Golden Showers Lounge and Elevation 2477 would sponsor the limos as a public service and serve their wares on the return trip.

[Scott O]

MA at 11:47 - You see Michael, I actually read the links you lefties provide. That one from the American (some) Civil Liberties Union was a howler.
"Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification."
And the percentage of them that are not eligible to vote? Oops!
I'm kinda certain that buying and possessing a firearm is a civil right, but you try to do that in the Golden State with no ID. I have yet to see any lefty complain about that.
The only reason anyone would oppose voter ID is to facilitate voter fraud. If you don't have an ID and want to vote, why not call the DNC and have them help get you one? They're free, Michael.
We await your swift and clever retort.